From: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com (exotica-digest) To: exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: exotica-digest V2 #594 Reply-To: exotica-digest Sender: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes exotica-digest Wednesday, January 12 2000 Volume 02 : Number 594 In This Digest: (exotica) Re: Can I make a minidisk and ask somebody to burn a CD from it (exotica) Re: does Siesta have a website? (exotica) Re: Lo Bue's Dennys Pix (exotica) Re: Wimoweh (exotica) Happy new year from The Liquid Room (exotica) Electronika..... (exotica) CD Burning & Disc Trading/Forwarding Re: (exotica) Electronika..... (exotica) LP Processing (exotica) [obit]Bernice Petkere: Composer Wrote 'Starlight' (exotica) This Week on the Digitizing Block: Mauriat Re: (exotica) ha-ha or peculiar? Re: (exotica) Wonder Woman got Cramps (was: guitar duet - Star Trek) Re: (exotica) ha-ha or peculiar? Re: (exotica) ha-ha or peculiar? (exotica) Eno-ugh's Eno-ugh Re: (exotica) Educational Copyright Re: (exotica) ha-ha or peculiar? (exotica) imbobe Re: (exotica) Educational Copyright Re: (exotica) Eno-ugh's Eno-ugh Re: (exotica) ha-ha or peculiar? (exotica) lion sleeps label (exotica) [obit] Mike McKenzie ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 19:47:13 +0100 From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: Can I make a minidisk and ask somebody to burn a CD from it Hi Charles, if you haven't found someone else yet, i'm willing to dupe that MDisk to CD-R for you, no strings attached. Johan ----- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:42:50 +0100 From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: does Siesta have a website? besides comments and other info on CD's, i also "collect" URL's, especially labels' sites. just about every URL that gets mentioned here (and works), can be found in my "Linquarium"; mailorder links are on a separate "Shoppinquarium" page. Dada's Exotiquarium: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/1936/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:55:59 +0100 From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: Lo Bue's Dennys Pix unfortunately, 2 tracks are missing. but i egree with Keith: it's musical heaven. Johan ----- At 9:32 -0700 2000/01/11, Keith wrote: >Best re-release (legitimate or bootleg) >Ferrante & Teicher's gorgeous, spine-tingling prepared piano outer-spaced >"Heavenly Sounds in Hi-Fi" from 1958 has been reissed under the limp name >"Easy Listening Favorites"...for about $4 NEW!! Essential stuff, and in my >opinion, the best they ever did. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:32:32 +0100 From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: Wimoweh try to find this comp LP: "Mbube Roots - Zulu Choral Music from South Africa 1930s-1960s" on Rounder 5025, 1987, which includes the original version of "The Lion Sleeps Tonight", called "Mbube" by Solomon Linda's Original Evening Birds (what a swell group name!). "Mbube" was recorded in 1939, was an instant success and became synonymous for this genre of polished Zulu harmony singing. Johan ----- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:06:02 -0800 From: "Ponak, David" Subject: (exotica) Happy new year from The Liquid Room Happy new year everybody. The first show of 2000 was a gas, featuring my top 10 of 1999 plus a guest DJ slot by my good friend Mark Wasiel, featuring the booty from his recent trip to Japan. Please check out his homepage for lots of great new release info and other news. http://www.newmusicmachine.com/ The Liquid Room airs every Saturday Morning (Friday night) from 3-6 on 90.7 FM KPFK. (98.7 in Santa Barbara County). Also check out my show The Nice Age at http://www.spikeradio.com Monday and Wednesday evenings from 8-10, PST. The Liquid Room-1/8/99: First, I started off playing a track from each CD in my top 10 of 1999. (Keep in mind this is competely subjective. I may already disagree with my own choices) 10.Katerine-Au Pays De Mon Premier Amor Les Creatures (Rosebud/Universal-France) 9.Underworld-Jumbo Beacoup Fish (V2) 8.Beck-Hollywood Freaks Midnight Vultures (DGC) 7.Tom Waits-Take It With Me the Mule Variations (Epitaph) 6.Blur-Tender 13 (Virgin) 5.XTC-I Can't Own Her Apple Venus Vol. 1 (TVT) 4.Pizzicato Five-20th Century Girl Pizzicato Five (*********/Heatwave-Japan) 3.The Magnetic Fields-I Don't Believe In The Sun 69 Love Songs (Merge) 2.The Aluminum Grou-Miss Tate Pedals (Minty Fresh) 1.The Flaming Lips-A Spoonful Weighs A Ton The Soft Bulletin (WB) Then, the two most significant "single" tracks of the year: 11.Scott Walker-Only Myself To Blame The World Is Not Enough Soundtrack (Universal) 12.Kraftwerk-Expo 2000 Single (EMI-Germany) Then, Mark Wasiel took over the next hour: 13.Harco-Workshop Slow Motion (Natural Foundation-Japan) 14.Ennio Morricone-Bianco, Roggo E Verdone Viva Morricone! (Avanz-Japan) 15.Denki Groove-Nothing's Gonna Change Single (Sony-Japan) 16.David Frishberg-One Horse Town Oklahoma Road (King/CTI-Japan) 17.The Singers Unlimited-Stone Ground Seven Snowflakes (Various Artists-MPS-Japan) 18.Jean Jacques Perry-Colonie Celeste Good Moog (Kosinus-France) 19.Bruce Haack-Party Machine Electronic Toys 2 (QDK) 20.Yoshie (drummer for Cornelius)-Comn De Novo-Trattoria 21.Towa Tei (w/Chara) Let Me Know (Mighty Bop Remix) Lost Control Mix Part 1 (East/West-Japan) Then, back to my stuff: 22.Ray Cooper-Oh You Beautful Doll Everybody's Cup Of Tea (Dorre) 23.Gershon Kingsley-Popcorn (new version) At Home With The Groovebox (various artists-incl. Beck, Cibo Matto, Air, etc.) (Grand Royal) In stores 3/14 24.Gershon Kingsley-Paperback Writer Music To Moog By (Audio Fidelity) 25.Mr. Lif-Farmhand 12" single (Grand Royal) 26.Motocompo-Ski Desktop Romancer (Flavour-Japan) 27.Lalo Schifrin-Secrect Code There's A Whole Lalo Schifrin Goin' On (Dot) 28.The Jungle Brothers-Freakin' You V.I.P. (Gee Street/V2) 29.Roy Budd-Getting Nowhere In A Hurry (Instr.) Get Carter Soundtrack (Castle-UK) 30.Burt Bacharach & Dionne Warwick-On My Way Isn't She Great Soundtrack (MCA) 31.Tagomago-Flood Lights A Sleeping Bee (Transonic/Flavour-Japan) 32.The Divine Comedy-Moon River Rarities (Setanta-UK) 33.Jim O'Rourke-The Workplace Halfway To A Threeway (Drag City) 34.Chocolat-Wonder Christmas Fargo EP (Neosite-Japan) 35.The Schulte Sisters (Featuring Bridgette Shulte) Never Gonna Get Married-Where Has The Music Gone? The Lost Recordings Of Clem Clemstock (Mental Giant) 36.Paul Williams-Morning I'll Be Movin' On Someday Man (Reprise) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:07:48 -0500 From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: (exotica) Electronika..... Help! Okay, not so "exotic" but someone helped my find the "Egg '94" comp. so = I'm hoping for more help....... There's a techno/ambient comp called "Electronika" from Intersound Records = I'm trying to purchase. Anyone have an e-address for them, or ANY info at = all? Thanks in advance! - - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:21:24 -0600 From: "Mark D. Head" Subject: (exotica) CD Burning & Disc Trading/Forwarding I haven't read all the posts to this thread but I do think trading the variety of music discussed on the list would greatly deepen and enrich everyone's experience of all things exotica/easy/etc. I have a computer-based 8x recorder with 20x read speed and so I can read a 72 minute CD onto my hard drive in about 10 minutes and burn one in about 15 (the actual "x" numbers never seem to mirror real life). Anyway, I'm happy to facilitate what I can. There is a ton of music that's discussed on the list that I'd love to hear and I have a collection of stuff pertinent to this list that's somewhere on the order of 700 CD's. If I can ever get my stereo and sound card to work to record vinyl, that'll expand to over 1,000 titles... Whoever ends up finally facilitating the collection/distribution please reply to me directly as well. I take the Digest form and it sometimes takes me several days to get caught up on my reading. Thanks! - -- Mark D. Head The Captain _______________________________________ Indecision is the key to flexibility. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:22:51 EST From: RLott@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Electronika..... In a message dated 1/12/00 12:08:47 PM Central Standard Time, nminer@jhmi.edu writes: << There's a techno/ambient comp called "Electronika" from Intersound Records I'm trying to purchase. Anyone have an e-address for them, or ANY info at all? >> Personally, I found "Elektronika II" much stronger. But I believe my local Borders still has copies of the first one in the racks. At any rate, the liner notes list "www.platinument.com" as their website. - --Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:24:45 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Risser Subject: (exotica) LP Processing Last one, I promise! Though the meeting picks up again at 2, so I may have more later. This is a big one though and is in response to the "process" question asked by some poor fool. Like Nat, I really really enjoy reading these for two reasons. One, I like knowing that other people are as fascinated and oriented around their music that they dedicate whole processes to it. Two, I'm always looking for good tips. So, here's what I have so far. First, let me say that for the past few months, my turntable has been buried, so I haven't been listening to ANY of my purchases, which saddens me. But I am counting on rectifying that ASAP as my life slowly builds into the order I am trying to impose on it. BUT, the process in the past has been as follows: For CDs, it's easy. Take 'em to work, listen around the house, in the shower, etc. One thing I bought that makes this MUCH easier is a pair of cordless headphones, which I cannot recommend more highly. A lot of radio fuzz in the background, but it allows me to listen to music while doing all the crap that used to keep me from listening to music. Which is nice and moves the process along very nicely. In general, I don't buy CDs I don't already know I'll like, either from hearing them from tapes or Mp3s, but if I don't, I have a stack of stuff "for trade". Otherwise it's filed. Or stacked until I get another CD shelf unit. For MP3s, there's a little more. First, download 'em. Usually from news groups and using NewsShark, a superb freeware program. Then I preview to decide if I want to listen any further to the downloads, as I often pull stuff that merely piques my curiousity. If it's still interesting, I drop it in a "to listen" directory. If not, trash. I like to listen to them all before I save them for three reasons. First, if I haven't listened to them, then why am I saving them in the first place? I'm just hoarding for no reason. Second, I want to know what it is, naturally. Third, I'm checking for defects, which can happen all the time in MP3s. I listen two ways. Either straight off the computer or I tape 'em and listen in the car. For whole albums, I like to tape 'em because I want to listen more than once usually. But again, it's also cool to tape stuff out of the single song directory because you get all sorts of random stuff back to back which can occasionally make great mixes. I listen to these on a First In, First Out method, simply because if I always started at 'A', I'd never get to 'Z'. All the ones I want to keep, get tossed in a directory and when the directory fills, I burn them off to a CD and move on. (I used to do sessions until I realized that Sessions suck an extra 20 meg or so off the CD). MP3s take most of my time now because, as I said, I have no turntable at the moment. Plus the stuff comes in literally as fast as I can listen to it to make room on my harddrive. Just when you think there's no more possible music you could be interested in, someone posts an old Captain Beefheart album that you'd heard about, but never had a chance to listen to, or Beach Boys Smile outtakes or whatever, and suddenly you're back to under 100 MB on your drive. Anyway. So, that being said, Here's how I tackle LPs. 1) Buy 'em. Duh. I have about 1000 LPs most of which I haven't gotten to hear yet. It's sad, but I really honestly plan to account for that as soon as I can. I have been working diligently over the past two years to slowly direct my life to a place where my LP listening can really become part of it. Again, I think the cordless headphones will help a lot, because I won't be tied to the room with the turntable in order to be able to listen to them. 2) Clean 'em. Just got a Nitty Gritty for Xmas, but haven't fired it up yet, because, like I said, don't have a turntable yet! 3) Tape 'em. Or just listen, really. But primarily my means of listening in the past has been to tape them. 4) Rate 'em. Okay, I'm a rater. But there are several reasons. First, I use the ratings to help decide what to do with an album, which I'll get to in a minute. Second, I someday plan to get back into radio, at which point, having these albums that I haven't heard in ages rated will help me remember what's good. Third, someday I hope to have a full fledged song by song DB for my albums, at which point ratings will be nice. Yes, I'm a librarian at heart. I love to organize and keep information. 5) Sort 'em. After hearing and rating comes the decision. First, is the album good enough to keep the whole thing. If the whole album is a keeper, it goes in the "to cut" pile, which means I plan to cut it to a disc. Recently I agonized over two-fers vs. one LP per CD. I believe I am leaning towards one LP per CD except for the occasional exceptions. If the whole album isn't good, but there are some excellent or even merely salvagable cuts, those cuts will become part of a "mix" CD consisting of nothing but good cuts off albums I don't ever plan to listen to again in entirety. If the album totally sucked, I take it out back and shoot holes into it until I feel I get my full dollars worth. (j/k: It goes back to the Goodwill.) In general, with occasional grueling exception, I try to listen to the whole album at least once. Too many times I've heard six stupid songs in a row, then suddenly number seven and eight are genius. I also agonized over how to track whether i had heard an album or if it needed cleaned or cut or taped or whatever in the stages. I think I found a good way, which is those little tabbies that you can get from 3M that people use to mark changes in documents. They look like a piece of scotch tape with a bit of color on the end. They have a lot of bonuses, which include: color coding (to denote different stages in the process), low stickiness (to not damage album covers) and freeness (take stuff from work!) Right now my albums are unfiled, which kills me, but again, since I'm not listening a lot, I'm not worried about it. Once I get a chance to get back into them, they'll get filed. Trust me. I used to file by category, but gave that up. It's really only beneficial to browsers and I don't usually browse my own collection. I file everything in Alphabetical order by artist, and on classical things, it's whatever I think the artist on the disc is. So, even if it has pieces by Barber, Copeland and Gershwin and is conducted by Bernstein, it goes under Gershwin, cuz that's how I think of the disc. The only exceptions are various artists and soundtracks. I used to keep soundtracks separate, but now they either go under the artist (for soundtracks by one artist) or various. The various are all shoved in there, but recently, in trying to locate a particular comp, I decided they needed to be alphabetized as well. The only exceptions to this are: Christmas music, which is a category that you want to be able to just pull and play, and these off-brand classical music comps that have lots of different composers and no notable performer. Those end up in a small section that I call "various classical" for some reason. I imagine that the LPs will be the same, though I may end up separating the "lounge" from the non-lounge, just because most of my non-lounge has either been replicated on CD or I just don't care about and is headed for the scrap heap. But maybe not. I have a whole story about my rating system, but this email is already long enough. Nat, if you need a coda to your movie, feel free to visit. :) Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:40:39 -0500 From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) [obit]Bernice Petkere: Composer Wrote 'Starlight' http://www.latimes.com/obituary/20000112/t000003724.html Bernice Petkere, a prolific composer known as "the Queen of Tin Pan Alley" in the 1930s, has died at the age of 98. Petkere, whose first song, "Starlight," was recorded by Bing Crosby, died Friday of heart failure at Queen of Angels Hospital in Los Angeles. see link for rest of obit. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:02:52 EST From: Thinkmatic@aol.com Subject: (exotica) This Week on the Digitizing Block: Mauriat For no particular reason this week I just digitized with minor restoration: "The Soul of Paul Mauriat" & "Mauriat Magic" Anyone interested in hearing them can drop by my house and listen, since duplicating for my family & friends could be a violation of someone's copyrights. Drop me an e-mail to set up a time to stop by. Milk & cookies, as always. This week it's oatmeal macadamia. xoxoxo - -Roy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:38:52 -0000 From: "Robbie Baldock" Subject: Re: (exotica) ha-ha or peculiar? [originally emailed privately] Lou wrote - > Anyway, I know you dislike the obits. I know it, you've said it > and I've heard it. I've prefaced all obits with [obit] so you'd > never have to read anything you didn't want. No but it's a matter of principle: 1) I have to pay (albeit a small amount) to download my email; 2) Your obit posts, while occasionally interesting, are nearly always *off topic* In other words - I subscribe to this list to read about Exotica-related matters - why should I have to (pay to) download posts to this list which shouldn't be here?! > I continue to post them because of the many many many > e-mails, on-list and off-, that have asked me to continue. I > also include obits that aren't exotica-related but do relate to > the interests of people on the list. In other words, I post based > on the listees and not the list itself. Majority votes are not always the "right" vote. Mailing lists set up for discussion of particular subjects shouldn't be constantly polluted with off topic posts. I still don't see why you can't set up an obit special interest list (especially as it's very easy to do and doesn't cost anything). People on the Exotica list should be able to choose whether they want to receive your posts. > Now, I don't find death "funny" at all. I don't find an obituary for an > obituary writer to be inherantly "funny" or (misusing the word) > "ironic." I found this obit of interest because of the contributions of > the man. Perhaps you'd like to re-read this paragraph from > the obit and you'll see why: > Thomas began writing obituaries full time in 1995 > after serving as a police reporter, a rewrite man, a society > news reporter and a sports writer. He was credited with using > a fresh approach to writing obituaries, finding key details > to illuminate lives that might otherwise have been overlooked > or underreported. I don't see anything there which has anything to do with the list. Please remember that many of the people on the list live outside the US - I doubt if any of us has ever heard of this guy. Robbie - ---------------------------------------------------------- ** ** ** * Spaced Out - the Enoch Light Website * ** ** ** ** ** ** * http://www.rcb.easynet.co.uk/light/ * ** ** ** - ---------------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:49:40 -0500 From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Wonder Woman got Cramps (was: guitar duet - Star Trek) >I have a similar question: I once heard a version of the Wonderwoman >theme song by the Cramps on a local radio station. But, I never was >able to track down any info about it and have started to question my >memory.... Any Cramps experts out there? Not *that* expert. But here's a Cramps message board to try asking: http://pub4.ezboard.com/fpsychoticreactionstheshedofdoom.html m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:54:16 -0500 From: "Josh Renaud" Subject: Re: (exotica) ha-ha or peculiar? You pay for each e-mail you read? Sounds like you need a new ISP! I would like to comment on this ridiculous argument. It seems like Robbie is the only one who's upset by Lou's obit postings. Lou made an excellent point about how you know by the subject if its an obit, and can delete it before you read it. The fact is, a mailing list (just like any other means of communication over the internet) is merely a gathering of people with an interest in the topic of the list. That doesnt necessarily mean that all posts have to be 100% on-topic. I'm on a few mailing lists right now, and I would say that this one is by far the most on-topic. Like it or not, what the people of the list want to see, is what should be posted (unless it went crazy and switched topics all together, which isnt even close to what's happening). One final note, this debate has resulted in more useless e-mails than any of Lou's off-topic obits have. So who's in the wrong? Let's get over it and enjoy Lou's effort in posting interesting information. JOSH # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:20:33 -0000 From: "Robbie Baldock" Subject: Re: (exotica) ha-ha or peculiar? Josh Renaud wrote: > You pay for each e-mail you read? Sounds like you need a new ISP! No, I pay to connect to my ISP to download email - as does everyone in the UK. > I would like to comment on this ridiculous argument. It seems like Robbie is > the only one who's upset by Lou's obit postings. Me and Charlie... > Lou made an excellent point > about how you know by the subject if its an obit, and can delete it before > you read it. But as I said in the last post - it's a matter of principle. This is not an obit mailing list, it's an exotica music mailing list. I didn't subscribe to this list to read obits. These are the only posts on this list I can remember ever objecting to. > The fact is, a mailing list (just like any other means of communication over > the internet) is merely a gathering of people with an interest in the topic > of the list. That doesnt necessarily mean that all posts have to be 100% > on-topic. But doesn't it concern you that most of Lou's posts are *off* topic?! > I'm on a few mailing lists right now, and I would say that this > one is by far the most on-topic. That's probably because "exotica" covers a pretty wide range of musical and cultural genres! > Like it or not, what the people of the list > want to see, is what should be posted (unless it went crazy and switched > topics all together, which isnt even close to what's happening). The same would not be true on a moderated newsgroup - why should a mailing list be any different? Robbie - ---------------------------------------------------------- ** ** ** * Spaced Out - the Enoch Light Website * ** ** ** ** ** ** * http://www.rcb.easynet.co.uk/light/ * ** ** ** - ---------------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 08:29:20 +1100 From: "Keith E. Lo Bue" Subject: (exotica) Eno-ugh's Eno-ugh If I can stick my nose in on the ambient Eno bashing session, it seems uncannily to me like people lamenting that Picasso left the tight representational style he came up in and went 'abstract.' Not to say Eno's early work wasn't interesting, but his smooth Devolution into sound as sound holds up to the test of time far more elegantly, I feel. Play 'Apollo' or 'On Land' and tell me it doesn't raise the vellous hairs all over your body. I agree about Nerve Net, much closer to his roots, but packed with a darkness and kind of a 'knowledge' that makes it more interesting to me. But what the hell do I know? Keith ******************************* http://www.lobue-art.com The Artwork and Workshops of Keith E. Lo Bue ******************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:48:21 -0500 From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Educational Copyright >Someone said that you could copy stuff for educational >purposes. I don't think so. That was me, Peter. Although it may have >changed since then, I distinctly remember some text >book publishers suing the bejeezus out of some >Universities and Kinko's for copying tons and tons of >copyrighted materials for distribution in their >classes. That was a landmark case happened in Ann Arbor, where I lived for a while. There was a copy shop that made its money from reproducing coursepacks...and they were sued and lost the case. Still, limited distribution for classes is still done, still legal as far as I know. The case was lost because the copy shop charged for the coursepacks. I still think that limited copying for educational use is OK, so long as the original copyright holder and the source are clearly marked on the copies, and the copyright owners are paid any applicable royalties, and the copier does not profit in any way from the transaction. There are a couple of clearinghouses that specialize in handling all the royalty/copyright clearances for publishers and teacher types. Again, I ain't no lawyer, but I did have to deal with this stuff as a publisher and as a professor. It's been a while, tho, so things have probably changed. Professor Straw, could please wipe the scales from our eyes? So let's get back to talking music. Hope this exotica ring project gets off the ground. And that the musicians on the list burn, baby, burn! I've love to hear your music. Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:36:16 -0500 From: "Josh Renaud" Subject: Re: (exotica) ha-ha or peculiar? I'd rather not contribute much more to this debate so I'll just finish with this. Regardless of what our opinions are, the fact is, 99% of the posts are on-topic, and the off-topic posts are almost always of interest to some of the members here. That being the case, Lou's occasional off-topic posts are hardly a big deal. Just be glad that there's a regular flow of posts to the list! I'm on lists that rarely get a couple posts per day. Back to my original point: Its not a big deal so let's drop it. When someone starts talking about auto racing (or something equally off-topic), we can lynch them, but until then, get over it. No disrespect intended... JOSH # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:40:29 -0500 From: Citizen Kafka Subject: (exotica) imbobe Johan, Only one problem... there are 3 "original" recordings! The one with the 'theme' in it was released first, I THINK (qualifier). It is my understanding that the record sold so well, for such a long time, that the company wore out the parts necessary to press, and had to go back to a different master to keep the record in print. And again. That is how Pat Conte discovered the 3 different takes... the third one that turned up was released much later. Obviously same group, same time. ck - -- Citizen Kafka, Producer, "The Secret Museum of the Air" NEW!: every Tuesday 6 to 7 PM EST WFMU 91.1 FM & WXHD (Hudson Valley) 90.1 FM http://www.megasaver.com/page2/smradio.html http://wfmu.org/ then go to 'listen to wfmu' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:56:48 -0500 From: Will Straw Subject: Re: (exotica) Educational Copyright I'm no expert on this, and the differences between Canada and the U.S. are significant, but fair use of copyrighted materials is more firmly implanted in law in the U.S. than it is here. In the U.S, unless I'm misinformed, you can show films and play music in classes if it's for educational purposes. Here, you're still supposed to rent copies from places specializing in educational use, and to pay the extra "performance" rental which such places charge. Technically, I shouldn't even play music in class, since that constitutes a public performance. In both places, you can photocopy for personal use, but not in multiple versions. That's why lots of profs just put stuff on reserve in the library, so that each student is making his or here own personal copy, all 500 of them. On the other hand, I just drop off course packs at a photocopy place right near campus, and students get those copied without paying the charges which would be incurred were I to clear the rights by using one of those services. Here, again, each student asks to make their own, "personal" copy of the pack, rather than buying them from a stack. I feel a little guilty, but I get over it quickly. At the university where I worked prior to this one, I taught Film Studies, and we faced a market in which we were supposed to keep renting deteriorating 16mm prints. So we'd rent a number of films every year to keep the heat off, then show videotapes or discs the rest of the time. As well, we had a list of 16mm and 35mm prints we held secretly, which we'd exchange with other departments who promised to keep quiet about it. than here. One of my colleagues bought most of these from people in Martin Scorcese's circle. My understanding of educational fair use is that it's less about something being a "personal" copy than about a social recognition of the value of things being available for analysis and criticism. Still, when friends of mine have tried to publish books analysing songs by the Rolling Stones (yeah, well . . .) they've been threatened with suits, as if the presence of 8 lines of Satisfaction in a $30 academic book will cut into sales of Stones sheet music. Will # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:05:36 -0500 From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Eno-ugh's Eno-ugh keith@lobue-art.com wrote: > If I can stick my nose in on the ambient Eno bashing session, it seems uncannily to me like people lamenting that Picasso left the tight representational style he came up in and went 'abstract.' And Eno is aware of the "split" in his output. That's why he released the 3-CD retrospective ENO BOX I with the ambient stuff and the 3-CD retrospective ENO BOX II with the pop/vocal stuff. I've got 'em both, I'm glad to say. >I agree about Nerve Net, much closer to his roots, but packed with a darkness and kind of a 'knowledge' that makes it more interesting to me. If you dig Nerve Net, you must also acquire the 2 "singles" that came off it: Ali Click and Fractal Zoom. And while you're at it, try to track down a copy of Headcandy, a CD-ROM containing half an hour of similar-to-Nerve Net ambient/techno along with a trippy lightshow which requires the wearing of lenticular glasses for full effect. ION, the publisher, went belly up -- but copies may be spotted in the discount bin at local software vendors. - -Lou lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:17:02 -0500 From: Citizen Kafka Subject: Re: (exotica) ha-ha or peculiar? The obituaries which Lou posts to this list are "on topic" for this list, as far as the general gist of the music related postings. i don't know what the charter of our list says, but the word exotica is not limited to defining music. The list has flown far afield of the tiny number of clearly defined "exotica" records, and includes topics of interest to those who are interested in the fringes of culture and music 'in an exotic vein.' To note the passing of people who have created, defined, or in some way changed the texture of our culture, especially the lesser (not dimmer) lights who Lou has brought to us, enriches our appreciation of the context of how we've ended up HERE; i don't think the list is limited to tiki objects (no offense, you know who!) and pseudo-South Seas music with bird whistles. We redefine our mutual definition of the list by participation. This is a particularly interesting list for that reason. Content and entertainment. I'm drifting OT myself, on a raft of language with a sail woven from verbiage... ck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:28:24 -0500 From: Citizen Kafka Subject: (exotica) lion sleeps label Hi, all, Here's a treat, courtesy Pat Conte of the Secret Museum... the label of the original record (photographed from the record at the Museum). http://www.megasaver.com/pix/lion.jpg note the title is Mbube. enjoy! ck - -- Citizen Kafka, Producer, "The Secret Museum of the Air" NEW!: every Tuesday 6 to 7 PM EST WFMU 91.1 FM & WXHD (Hudson Valley) 90.1 FM http://www.megasaver.com/page2/smradio.html http://wfmu.org/ then go to 'listen to wfmu' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:14:26 -0500 From: "Lou Smith" Subject: (exotica) [obit] Mike McKenzie Friday 31 December 1999 Mike McKenzie The king of cocktail pianists who looked as if he owned the Savoy and just played for fun MIKE McKENZIE, who has died aged 77, was London's most renowned and respected cocktail pianist; it was said there was no popular tune he could not instantly recall and play in any key. He was also an excellent jazz musician, an engaging singer and an authoritative bandleader. In a career spanning half a century, McKenzie's reputation grew to such an extent among patrons of London's first-class hotels and restaurants that the rich and famous would follow him from one to another. Oscar Grenville "Mike" McKenzie was born in Georgetown, British Guiana, on September 17 1922. His mother was a pianist and his father a violinist, and he learned both instruments from them. On leaving school he played piano professionally in Georgetown, before emigrating to London in 1949. His first job was at the Starlight Room, with the Jamaican bandleader Joe Appleton, and he soon became a leading figure among emigr=E9 Caribbean musicians. The British jazz scene first noticed McKenzie in 1952, in recordings by the Grant-Lyttelton Paseo Jazz Band, a "fusion" band combining jazz and West Indian music, formed by Humphrey Lyttelton and the British Guianian saxophonist, Freddie Grant. One record featured McKenzie in his own composition, Mike's Tangana. About this time McKenzie took a one-week relief engagement, replacing Yorke de Souza at the Colony Room Club. It was the beginning of a close relationship with the club and its bohemian membership that was to last for two decades. The author Colin MacInnes acted as best man at McKenzie's wedding, in 1952, and Francis Bacon claimed that his favourite song was Strange Love, composed by McKenzie and his actress wife, Lizzie. Muriel Belcher, the first proprietor of the Colony, became more a friend than an employer, encouraging him to take advantage of any opportunity that came along. During the 1950s he played as a guest artist with Ted Heath's band, toured with the show Jazz Wagon, and appeared on stage with such popular entertainers as Lonnie Donegan, Benny Hill and Dorothy Squires. Eventually succumbing to increasingly tempting offers, McKenzie left the Colony Room to lead a small band at a series of clubs and restaurants - Crockfords, the Milroy, the Hungaria, the Caprice, and a notable four years at the White Elephant On The River. Show-business personalities would come there to unwind, often getting up to deliver an off-the-cuff-performance. During his time at the White Elephant, McKenzie played in this way for, among many others, Liza Minnelli, Johnny Mercer, and Ella Fitzgerald. In 1976 he moved to the Empress Club, in 1979 to the Dorchester, and in 1986 to the American Bar at the Savoy. Writing in The Daily Telegraph in 1992, Nick Thomas described McKenzie as "so happy at the piano that he looks as if he owns the Savoy and just plays in the bar for fun. He's having such a good time that he wants to share it with everyone, singing his favourite Cole Porter or Irving Berlin in a smoky whisper, improvising with perfect, gentle elegance. This man is the best." McKenzie retired in 1997. He is survived by his wife, Lizzie, a son and a daughter. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of exotica-digest V2 #594 *****************************