From: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com (exotica-digest) To: exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: exotica-digest V2 #604 Reply-To: exotica-digest Sender: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes exotica-digest Thursday, January 20 2000 Volume 02 : Number 604 In This Digest: Re: (exotica) Sampling in hiphop - and breakbeat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 06:01:14 PST From: "Robert McKenna" Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling in hiphop - and breakbeat hey geoff, been totally out of the loop, lots happening. doing exams. but had to answer this.... > >I thought the roots of sampling in HipHop were (was) down to 'turntablism', >cutting and scratching and mixing records together, >'Grandmaster flash and his adventures on the wheels of steel' from around >'81. The use. I hate to think how many takes it took for Wheels of Steel >to go down >onto tape in the version it did. four > to the best of my knowledge, djing and mcing were parallel developments. cool herc 'invented' breakbeat djing. the studio 54 djs 'invented' the solid groove that became house. jimmy saville was the 'first dj to use two decks at once'. john cage was the first person to make music using pitchshift controls on record players (test tones on victrolas in the 30s, a technique recently used by the invisibl scratch piklz). pierre schaeffer was the first person to make records sampling records in the 40s in paris. (no tape untill after the war, particularly due to the politics), all his early concretes were done on lathes. and yes he 'scratched' the records backwards and forwards. which reminds me, to get sort of nat-ish about it, i noticed br cleve's suggestions the other week for 'breakbeat' music. all great stuff and i would totally recommend tim 'love' lee to everyone, and nicola conte and balanco (including conte, remixed by the karminsky's who i can't wait to hear more of- stonking dj sets). but breakbeat would mean to me all funk derived music. even funk itself could be called breakbeat. tim 'love' lee is barely breakbeat as he uses as his building blocks 7ts grooves which are on the cusp of disco (keb darge has a name for this which he considers official but which escapes me at the moment), it's the kind of thing that the guys who run bbe records concentrate on, as distinct from their celebrity compilers) and his music is extraordinarily funky deep house. sort of. well more than breakbeat anyway. he also, to continue the sampling issue, is quite incredibly organic sounding. if you can stomach any disco elements in your music, but don't necessarily like disco as it doesn't have enough breakbeats, syncopation and all round swing so you can do your funky thing on the floor. try him. also in a vaguely appropriate vein people on this list might be interested in 'dancefloor jazz' stuff. think compost records and the future sound of jazz series of compilations (up to vol 6 i think and reviewed on the state 51 web site) and the likes of jazzanova, rainer truby (with or without trio) and a forest mighty black. just someone was looking for new stuff. aren't we always. normal service soon. thanks rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of exotica-digest V2 #604 *****************************