From: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com (exotica-digest) To: exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: exotica-digest V2 #850 Reply-To: exotica-digest Sender: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes exotica-digest Tuesday, December 12 2000 Volume 02 : Number 850 In This Digest: RE: (exotica) Gentle Waves (exotica) cd's vs. LP's Re: (exotica) jewel cases (was: CD vs LP) (exotica) CD vs LP (exotica) Flexidiscs Re: (exotica) CD vs LP (exotica) The Sound of Silence (exotica) Plastic Ballast (exotica) Re: CD vs LP (exotica) Ebay Grading (exotica) Anal Rententive Calliope Music Re: (exotica) CD vs LP Re: (exotica) CD vs LP (exotica) Thrift Stores Horrors Re: (exotica) CD vs LP Re: (exotica) Thrift Stores Horrors Re: (exotica) CD vs LP Re: (exotica) CD vs LP Re: (exotica) Anal Rententive Calliope Music (exotica) record handling and peeing (exotica) Accidental Thrift Store Scores.... help? Re: (exotica) new Califone record players (was: CD vs LP) (exotica) Hoyt Curtin appreciation Re: (exotica) Thrift Stores Horrors Re: (exotica) CD vs LP Re: (exotica) Thrift Stores Horrors ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:36:06 -0800 (PST) From: chuck Subject: RE: (exotica) Gentle Waves Allan you old scoffer you..I always enjoy your lectures. And I hope you continue on this topic. I find it difficult to understand the origins and extent of influences of music culture. Certainly it has become accepted that the banjo and African influences plus European folk music came over and lead to many 1900 folk songs whether they were soul ballads or country ballads. Did this lead to the pop music of the 1920's, I think so but I'm guessing. There were so many other cultural influences from plays to movies to radio to popular personalities on music. That the topic is too long a complicated to write a thesis here. But this is just an example I'm putting forth to exemplify the difficulty in determining cultural influences on music. I find it incredulous that Nick Drake alone is a major cultural influence on todays pop. I generally agree with everything you said Allan. Free Design also helped push me back into sunshine pop and soft pop. I have a related question that I hope can be discussed. Is the soft pop of Nick Drake, Belle and Sebastian or a 1920's soft pop tune that much different? Other than culutural differences of the individuals Betty Boop and Kahimi Karie share a lot in common for me. The soft pop music of Nick Drake and the Velvet Underground seem so similiar to some of todays artists, I just can't believe it. And Nick Drake sounds similar to folk artists 30 years before. I'm not talking about influences but music similarities. Thanks for you insightful response Chuck - --- alan zweig wrote: > > I love Nick Drake. So I wasn't putting him down when I scoffed > at the idea > of tracing "soft pop" back to Nick Drake. > I scoffed because before you start tracing things back to someone > whose > material only vaguely resembles soft pop (yeah it IS kind of > soft), why not > trace it back to artists whose material very much resembles it? > I scoffed because instead of tracing a movement back to one > fairly obscure > artist whose material is only becoming better known twenty years > after his > death, why not trace it back to artists who were inescapable in > their time? > Why not go with the obvious before you start to dig for the > obscure? > I scoffed because you know, what about the Beach Boys? The > Association. > Fifth Dimension. The Lettermen. The Sandpipers. Andy Williams. > The > Johnny Mann singers. > I would trace my newfound interest in softpop to the Free Design, > whose > music I heard for the first time a couple of years ago. > But the point is, that's my NEWFOUND interest. > It's an interest which was already there but laying dormant. > It was there since I was a kid. The Beatles, the Beach Boys... > and before > that Peter Paul and Mary and other things I heard on the radio > that I can't > even identify. > If someone were to tell me that hearing Nick Drake was a factor > in shaping > their soft pop music, I wouldn't scoff. > But tracing a whole movement back to him, well all I can do is > scoff. > I must admit that the other reason I laughed was because I could > just > imagine this young DJ trying to prove how cool and obscure and > brilliant > they are by coming up with a cool theory involving a fairly > obscure artist. > > The other thing I have to say - and this is way too complicated > to discuss > here - is that the whole issue of how things from the past > influence, > inspire and form "artists" in the present is WAY WAY WAY > oversimplified. > I'd say my film was more influenced by music - including Mark > Eitzel, John > Coltrane and Brian Eno - than it was by any particular film or > film > "movement". > It's one thing to endlessly compare music and describe music with > such > phrases as "The Beach Boys meet Belle and Sebastian". It's > another thing > to actually believe that those are the forces which formed the > music. > > end of lecture __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:40:14 From: jschwart@voicenet.com Subject: (exotica) cd's vs. LP's >Running time and compact size is the best part of CDs. For the life of me, I don't know why they ever went with that totally counter productive design for the jewel cases. They are a weird shape to fit on shelves, and they are bulkier than they need to be. They went with that package because they wanted to promote the idea that cd's were precious "jewel"-like objects that fully deserved to cost twice as much as LPs and cassettes. The present case is a completely inefficient design that takes up as much practical storage space on my wall as an LP. Sometime soon I'm inevitably going to have to buy little PVC envelopes and junk the jewel cases, which will at least triple my storage volume, though it won't look very pretty and will be hard to see where things are from the spines. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:44:51 -0500 From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) jewel cases (was: CD vs LP) At 12:17 PM 12/12/00 +0100, Moritz R wrote: > >d'accord in all points! The jewel cases were designed for stupidos who think >they're getting a sublime piece of high tech when they buy a CD. That's pretty funny. That they even call them "jewel" cases. Never really thought of that before. The thing that bugs me about CD's lately is when I try and sell them and the guy examines them and tells me they're a bit scratched or smudged or whatever. So what? I didn't scratch them with my needle or anything. I like the digipacks. I'm always glad when I get a CD in it's own cardboard package. I occasionally get one without a digipack but with a "space" to slide the CD in or out. On the other hand, I occasionally get one where you need pliers to slide it out of its envelope. (The first Tortoise CD comes to mind) The "logical" mode for CD's would be for everyone to have those 200 CD changers which are becoming more and more common and more and more cheap. And once you've made that adjustment, you'll be ready for the day - which is coming soon - where there won't be any actual object and therefore no packaging. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:50:50 -0800 (PST) From: chuck Subject: (exotica) CD vs LP I pulled out my most played album ever, and I played it a lot when it first came out on rather cheap equipment. I put Rubber Soul on my turntable dropped the nice grado cartridge on it and out came the most beautiful Beatles music I'd heard in many years. This album was played by my sisters and I when we were kids. I know I took good care of it but I never expected it to sound this good after all those years. I still have the original cellophane on the cover. Really this played lp sounds better than the cd. And the cd lacks Its Only Love and I've Just Seen a Face, you have to get the Help cd to hear those in cheap cd quality. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:38:38 +0100 From: "Arjan Plug" Subject: (exotica) Flexidiscs The bendable sounds of flexi-discs : http://www.wfmu.org/LCD/25/flexi1.html and http://www.wfmu.org/MACrec/ Arjan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:42:30 +0100 From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) CD vs LP itsvern@attglobal.net wrote: > I was talking to one record lover who was familiar with the Nitty Gritty Record > Machine. He said the recommended technique was to play your record, and then > use the Nitty Gritty machine AFTER EACH time you played the disc. He claimed > that he heard records maintained this way that had been played over 100 times > and still sounded like new. people who play LPs more than a hundred times are either 12 years old, crazy, or DJs. I doubt though that DJs take that Nitty Gritty Record Machine to work and find time to clean each record after each time they play it. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 12:23:20 -0800 From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) The Sound of Silence Hello, >Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:42:40 -0800 >From: Kevin Crossman >Subject: Re: (exotica) CD vs LP > >You're kidding, right? Why in the world would silence, when designed >and desired by the artist, be less desireable than cracks and pops all >the time throughout the entire record? That's just crazy! Well, an example would be if you've ever been into a cave. The total absence of sound sounds "louder" than just a light pad. Movie sound mixers know this. They add a very slight ambient sound to scenes to keep them from sounding dead. A lot of engineers who master CDs mix according to the meters instead of their ears. They end up with sound that is very contrasty and hard to listen to. >Ok... how many new LPs and 78s do YOU own? Tons! And I find more every day! >Let me get this straight - >and LP is a better format than a CD because it sounds better when you >play it the first time? What about the tenth or hundredth time? How do >you propose we keep our LPs brand new? How do we avoid wear, except not >playing them (seems counter productive to not play a record you've >bought to ... play). I bet you don't have a turntable. It's common for people who have never had records to assume that records are extremely fragile and that playing them wears them out. But that isn't necessarily true. The back sides of CDs are MORE fragile than the average record. Have you ever scratched the paint on the back side of a CD? It won't play at all. A scratched record may have a pop, but it will still play. Wear isn't a big problem either... With a good turntable that tracks properly, you can play records hundreds of times without any significant problems. I have records that I bought more than twenty years ago that sound like new. CDs are more compact and *in theory* they have a more balanced frequency response and a better signal to noise ratio. But that doesn't mean that the mastering of the source material sounds better than the original LP issue. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 12:26:36 -0800 From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Plastic Ballast exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:40:08 -0500 >From: "m.ace" >Subject: Re: (exotica) CD vs LP > >I loathe jewel cases. They're sterile, soul-less, clanky, breakage-prone, >space-wasting and environmental no-goodniks. I'm with you on that! I trash them and use the Case logic books. I can fit 3,000 cds on two shelves easily that way. With jewel cases, I'd need a huge bookshelf to hold all that. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 12:31:18 -0800 From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Re: CD vs LP Hello, >My point was what's the point of having near mint LPs... once you start >to play them they aren't mint anymore! That's fine if you're collecting >album cover art or something -- or if you made some sort of copy first >time you play it -- but what if you want to play the thing? That isn't true. Get yourself a nice Dual, Technics or Thorens turntable with a nice Shure, Grado or Ortofon cartridge and find out for yourself. I recommend picking up a turntable cheap at ebay, then get the cartridge at www.garage-a-records.com. They're nice people, and they can get you just about anything you'd need to play LPs, 45s and 78s. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 12:38:59 -0800 From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Ebay Grading Hello, >I don't know what the context is here but having now spent a bit of time on >ebay with guys who like to talk about things as "mint" etc, I now realize >once and for all that the word has absolutely NO meaning. Buying records at ebay is like buying a pig in a poke. It's smartest to bottom feed, putting a low minimum on and just letting it go if someone ups your bid. Doing that I've gotten several thousand 78s, and I've found the batches where the person knows nothing about them are usually about as good as the "dealers" who visually grade them. With 78s, I've been paying 50 cents to a dollar a disk, and 90% are good enough to play, 40% are very good "keepers", and 15% are brand spanking new. I don't know if the odds are the same for LPs, but I would guess it's comparable. I only play "very good" and "good" records on my acoustic phonograph. The mint ones only get played electronically. Since electronic turntables put absolutely no wear at all on 78s, they'll never get any worse as long as I own them. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 12:44:00 -0800 From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Anal Rententive Calliope Music Hello, >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:36:10 -0500 >From: itsvern@attglobal.net >Subject: Re: (exotica) CD vs LP > >I was talking to one record lover who was familiar with the Nitty Gritty >Record Machine. He said the recommended technique was to play your record, >and then use the Nitty Gritty machine AFTER EACH time you played the disc. Ask him a question for me, would you? Ask him how many times a day he washes his hands. I think the answer to that question will explain this behavior. A simple swipe with a DiskWasher velvet every time you play a record is sufficient to keep it sounding good for thousands of plays. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:46:38 -0500 From: cheryl Subject: Re: (exotica) CD vs LP Moritz R wrote: > people who play LPs more than a hundred times are either 12 years old, crazy, or > DJs. I doubt though that DJs take that Nitty Gritty Record Machine to work and find > time to clean each record after each time they play it. Why would anyone want to clean a record AFTER they play it? I prefer to clean mine right before I play them, so that I don't ruin my stylus. They shouldn't get dirty while they're being played, should they? As for Steve's theory that Discwashers work fine, well, once you've used a Nitty Gritty, you'll never use a Discwasher velvet again - they're not the same thing at all - one wipes the surface of dust, while the other cleans the grooves of the record. (and no, we don't take our Nitty Gritty to the radio station...we don't even take our LPs there anymore - the cartridges and tonearms are too unreliable...) And I don't know if anyone on this list would know if this is true or not, but I was once told that if you played a vinyl LP more than once in a row, because the vinyl heats up slightly while it's being played, repeated playing could damage the LP because the stylus lops off bits of vinyl if it's warm. Again, I don't know if this is true or not, and really it probably only applies if you are 12 years old, listening to the same top-30 single again and again and again... cheryl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:34:57 From: "Daniel Shiman" Subject: Re: (exotica) CD vs LP Here's my 2 bits - I'll try to keep it as Paul Harvey-esque as possible: >My point was what's the point of having near mint LPs... once you start >to play them they aren't mint anymore! That's fine if you're collecting >album cover art or something -- or if you made some sort of copy first >time you play it -- but what if you want to play the thing? > >-Kevin Records that I've probably played dozens and dozens of times over the years on decent equipment still sound perfect (or "Near-mint") to me. And, I guess if I were to sell them, would advertise them as such. Which isn't of course to say that I wouldn't pass up the chance to post some trashed-out rarity as "Near-mint" on ebay, and then sprint happily across county lines with y'alls's dirty $$$. And this leads me to a barely-related question: I'm not hyper-meticulous with my records, but still I think only one LP has been scratched of my own accord over years of constant use, banging, dropping, needle-skipping, etc. But then how do thrift-store records wind up in such bedraggled condition? I mean, it can't have been that they were just merely mishandled, it's like they were distributed to school-children for playground use. Actually, I now believe that the more interesting records I find in thrift stores have probably trickled down through many different record collectors' collections, each successively hoping that "it plays better than it looks" (another lame ebay reference), and finally wind up on my record shelves, a veritable safe-haven for down-trodden vinyl. - -Dan _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:59:44 -0800 (PST) From: chuck Subject: (exotica) Thrift Stores Horrors - --- Daniel Shiman wrote:And this leads me to a barely-related question: > But then how do thrift-store records wind up in such bedraggled > condition? Hi Daniel I'm convinced that albums at thrift stores are cursed. They get thrown in a box in a truck. Then they get filtered through by unscrupulous employees. Furniture and mayhem is piled up on top of them. Then they arrive at the thrift store and get put on the floor in the garage in a dank musty spot. Mildew starts growing. Then they are sifted through by more unscrupulous employees. Finally they are thrown in a shopping cart and flung on the shelves by someone who hates records. Have you ever been in a thrift store where there is someone who likes lps? If so you will be shocked at how they are treated so much better and look much better to. I'm almost convinced that someone goes through the albums and takes the lp out of the jacket just to scratch it up. A few years back I went to a thrift store, saw the Marco Polo lp in front, (where its sure to get bent). Grabbed the cover it was light, no lp inside, found the lp with a bunch of others without covers getting its extra dose of scratches. Ever wonder where all those Elvis albums are?? I certainly have only seen them once. I walked into the donation section of a goodwill with a guy who was donating the lps right then and there. I went through the box and found lots of really beautiful records including many modern Elvis records. I grabbed Elvis in Hawaii and Satellite Elvis. Came back the next day and no Elvises. Now these unscrupulous employees can't catch everything. When they miss it or don't know about it thats when we find the cool lps. Ever wonder how professional use record dealers get all their great records? Why aren't all those cool records in thrifts that you see in used record stores? In this town 60s rock and roll lps are not reaching the shelves. The same went on with Tiki Mugs. As soon as this Tiki thing got popular a few years back they disappeared. A professional privately owned store by my house that sells used records and things never had Tiki Mugs until a few years ago and now I have never seen a Tiki mug for almost a year. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:13:42 -0500 From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) CD vs LP At 04:46 PM 12/12/00 -0500, cheryl wrote: > >Moritz R wrote: > >> people who play LPs more than a hundred times are either 12 years old, crazy, or >> DJs. I doubt though that DJs take that Nitty Gritty Record Machine to work and find >> time to clean each record after each time they play it. > >Why would anyone want to clean a record AFTER they play it? I prefer to >clean mine right before I play them, so that I don't ruin my stylus. >They shouldn't get dirty while they're being played, should they? Quick, what's the name of the Godard film where Johnny Hallyday plays a Belmondo-style gangster role? Anyway in that film, Johnny is taking a piss beside one of the other characters and he says (and I'm paraphrasing)... "There are two kinds of men in this world. Those who wash their hands before they piss and those who wash their hands after they piss. The first kind want to keep their penis clean and the second kind want to keep their hands clean". I can't find the analogy there but I was reminded of it anyway. When I saw the movie, which was at least 15 years ago, I was totally fascinated by the idea that there were men who washed their hands BEFORE. I thought that there were two kinds of men: those that wash after and those that don't wash at all. When it comes to records, I'm the third kind. The don't wash at all. I think it's obvious which one I am when it comes to penises. Maybe not. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:33:24 -0500 From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica) Thrift Stores Horrors >Ever wonder how professional use record dealers get all their great >records? Why aren't all those cool records in thrifts that you >see in used record stores? In this town 60s rock and roll lps are >not reaching the shelves. The same goes for estate sales. There is a dealer that actually works my area to comb for cool stuff. He or she is not getting everything, thankfully, but there are probably similar stories. A dealer that I know (RECORD dealer, you gossip hounds), says that he is now seeing some of the great old, old stuff because some collectors are dying. Things that the pros didn't get: Ananda Shankar and his Music The lady that I had to ask for records, said no and came back with a box chock full of 60's Northern Soul, all of which she sold me for 25 cents apiece. The second time I pulled that stunt at a Garage sale, I ended up with Eddie "The Old Philosopher" Lawrence on Coral. Biggest heartbreak, the "More of Tom Lehrer" album jacket that I never found the LP for at a Goodwill store that I used to raid for stuff and straighten out their disheveled LP stacks, which then closed! Speaking of which, a buddy of mine went to New Or...the Big Easy and did manage to find a copy of the Sean Bonniwell Music Machine LP, which for you Nuggets folks out there is well worth buying; it's been reissued as "Beyond the Garage". The worst mangling I ever did see was at a library. One patron had taken a knife and cut into a Jethro Tull song, in a zigzag. Yeesh! Easy Listening in the Bi..*POP*, Bi..*POP*, Bi..*POP*, Bi..*POP* (thrift store .sig), Brian Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:33:36 EST From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) CD vs LP In a message dated 12/12/0 11:44:58 AM, azed@pathcom.com wrote: >The thing that bugs me about CD's lately is when I >try and sell them and the guy examines them and tells me they're a bit >scratched or smudged or whatever. So what? The "what" I'm told is the deep dark secret that the "information" on the CD is in danger of going up in "smoke" should a scratch mar the surface. That "what" also submits that CD's have been made with planned obsolescence.....JB/Castro killed JFK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:38:44 EST From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) CD vs LP In a message dated 12/12/0 2:40:44 PM, moritz@derplan.com wrote: >people who play LPs more than a hundred times are either 12 years old, crazy, or >DJs. Some of us crazy 12 year olds might just like the rekkid a whole lot. BTW I was on the phone with dustygroove the other day and heard a whirring sound in the background. "Got your boys washing LP's" I asked my helpful salesman? He asked how I knew...'nuff said...JB/world's oldest adolescent # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:42:21 EST From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Anal Rententive Calliope Music In a message dated 12/12/0 3:43:35 PM, bigshot@spumco.com wrote: >A simple swipe with a DiskWasher velvet every time you play >a record is sufficient to keep it sounding good for thousands >of plays. until the diskwasher velvet gets so loaded with crud and you don't get around to getting another one and you still play your vinyl daily and don't get it clean enough and stuff gets into the grooves and you develops tics, pops and clicks...Don't laff my friends, it DOES happen..JB/I wore (out) blue velvet # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:15:44 -0500 From: itsvern@attglobal.net Subject: (exotica) record handling and peeing > Why would anyone want to clean a record AFTER they play it? I think this compulsive record owner cleaned his records both before and after listening to them. This story might have involved an employee of the Library of Congress who is involved with the preservation of very rare 'one-of-a-kind' records. I did a search and excerpted a few interesting comments about the preservation and handling of rare records..... - --------- 1. " The Library of Congress maintains a vast collection of LPs. Archived vinyl must be rotated a quarter-turn periodically so that the vinyl doesn't warp and deform due to gravity. The Libarary of Congress does this every few years or so for each of their LPs." - --------- 2. "To minimize surface deformations, always remove shrink wrap from records. It can continue to shrink thus warping the disc. Do not interfile different-sized recordings which creates uneven pressure on the larger items." - --------- 3. "Do NOT attempt to blow dirt off a record! You are sending a fine spray of sticky saliva containing God Knows What-All over at least half the record." - -------- And here is a link that describes how dust damages the record - which has to do with a temporary melting of the LP as the stylus passes over it. This page also shows a picture of the $4000 Keith Monks record cleaning machine. http://members.tripod.com/~graemej/rcmeng.htm And finally, a word about washing hands before urinating. This is the recommended practice for outdoor agricultural workers who hand weed or harvest fruits and vegetables, due to the insecticides that may have been sprayed on the crop. It is recommended that hands are washed both before and after urinating. Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 02:29:59 -0000 From: "naile trismegistus" Subject: (exotica) Accidental Thrift Store Scores.... help? Well, it is literally a dark and stormy night where I am right now. Today, in an effort to get out of the rain momentarily, I stepped into a local thrift store. I found much vinyl, to my pleasant surprise. All of it in seemingly excellent condition, with covers in excellent condition. The bad news is, I have nothing to play any of it on at the moment. If anybody can tell me anything about these, I'd love some opinions. Jack Payne presents "Say It With Music" (appears to be EMI) Paul Mauriat Salutes The Beatles (wasn't this discussed recently? on Contour Records) George Arlt And His Orchestra: The Sound Of Strings (Realm records- great cover with a woman desperately attempting to smile on it. She probably looks like Iggy Pop now) Bill Snyder, his Magic Piano, and his Orchestra: Bewitching Hour (Brunswick Records... apparently he owns the world's only "air-conditioned" piano. Anyone wanna tell me about this???) Bill Snyder: Sweet And Lovely (Brunswick Records) Ray Anthony: Plays For Star Dancing (strange cover, almost a Busby Berkely type setting of couples dancing) Constellation: An Introduction To Essential Stereo (I'm dying to hear the tracks by "Big Ben Hawaiian Band" and "Manuel And The Music Of The Mountains") Cocktails With Cavallaro The Jay Norman Quintet: Cocktail Hour (from the liner notes: "Here is a happy selection of numbers, in super-danceable, snappy arrangements and wonderful styling in the playing of Jay Norman and his Quintet. How to describe it? Album notes won't do it. The proof is in the playing...and the dancing...and the dreaming. Skip the jacket; spin the disc and find out that this record has a wonderful selection of tunes.") The Dick Powell Song Book (purchased solely for the track: "The Girl On The Police Gazette") Artie Shaw: Did Someone Say "A Party?" (from the liner notes: "Did Someone Say A Party? Few pertinent messages can be transmitted with such lightning rapidity throughout the length and breadth of a girl's college or any community of young people.") Jackie Gleason Presents: Velvet Brass and finally, two very strange ones: Ivor Biggun And The Red Nose Burglars: The Winker's Album (misprint) (appears to be some sort of raunchy comedy album) and Anthony Ventura And His Orchestra: Music For Making Love (the cover of which is a nice soft focus photo of two nude women in bed together. The album features such well-known love songs as Bridge Over Troubled Water, Johnny Guitar, Hotel California, In The Ghetto, A Whiter Shade Of Pale, and Je t'aime. I'm hoping for lush orchestral arrangements.) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:48:53 -0500 From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) new Califone record players (was: CD vs LP) >I recommend picking up a turntable cheap at ebay, then get the >cartridge at www.garage-a-records.com. They're nice people, >and they can get you just about anything you'd need to play >LPs, 45s and 78s. Sniffing around Stephen's recommended site, I find that Califone is apparently still making those tempting little classroom record players! http://www.garage-a-records.com/cali.html Also at: http://www.recordfinders.com/califone.html http://www.curtis-av.com/record.htm http://www.schooloutfitters.com/shop/1010W.HTML http://www.crestvisual.com/record.html http://www.nationwideav.com/pages/califone/califone-record_players1.html http://www.knowledgeplay.com/knowledgeplay/caf1010av.html And of course: http://www.califone.com/recplay.html Confusing differences of opinion on the specs. I suspect garage-a-records and recordfinders are closest to correct. It would be real nice to play 78s on... would this have the flipover needle? The prices actually look competitive with a lot of the used prices I see online. Do anyone of you Califone fans (I know you're out there) know how these new units compare to the old ones? Is the build-quality still good? My sensibilities have gotten warped enough that I think I would really enjoy listening to records on one of these, but my concern is whether it would put significantly more wear on a record -- compared to a modern magnetic cartridge turntable. I'd imagine the tracking force would be higher. Opinions or hard observations anyone? Questions, questions... What do you say, alternative audio gurus? thanks, m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:49:41 -0500 From: itsvern@attglobal.net Subject: (exotica) Hoyt Curtin appreciation Here's a link to a nice appreciation (obituary) about Hoyt Curtin, the composer for the Flintstones theme and many other cartoons. Interesting insights - I never knew that the 'Jetsons' and 'Johnny Quest' themes were so difficult for musicians to play. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57406-2000Dec11.html Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:56:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica) Thrift Stores Horrors Hey someone always beats us to the punch. I went into a local thrift/junk store near where I live and found some great stuff. got em .50 cents each. The guy told me someone always come looking at the records on Wednesday's but didn't come that week. Someone from town who owns a records store. You see, by the time we get there on the weekend they are gone Domenic HEY Check This Out! Get Your Free Domain Name @ http://www.buzzlink.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:16:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica) CD vs LP CD’s have totally spoiled me. I love the lack of background noise. When I can hear the background noise. The needle going over the records reminds me of a plow furrowing a field. Just my opinion. Flames on! Domenic HEY Check This Out! Get Your Free Domain Name @ http://www.buzzlink.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:19:58 -0500 From: itsvern@attglobal.net Subject: Re: (exotica) Thrift Stores Horrors > Ever wonder where all those Elvis albums are?? I'm sure that there are some unscrupolous thrift-store employees, but there may be another explanation for why you can't find the valuable records. I've done volunteer work for Goodwill, helping them sort records. There are many Goodwill stores in the metropolitan area where I live. When a single store collects donated items, those items are not placed immediately in the store - instead they are trucked to a central facility where all items are sorted. At this location, volunteers will inspect every record - and those without visible scratches would be set aside for the annual used book/record sale. Also set aside were records with known collector value. At this location, ALL Elvis Presley and Beatle records were set aside, regardless of physical condition. Those which were common or had some scratches were set aside in a different area, where they would be taken back to the individual thrifts where they are generally sold for $1 each. Thus, you may donate a whole box of Elvis or James Brown records at a certain thrift store - but the record may never be sold at that location ... it might eventually be sold for $1 at a location 40 miles away. The records set aside for the big sale are priced by people who are knowledgable about records - and several price guides are always nearby to assist them. When these record sales are held, record dealers are among the people who show up. They know that they can still get a good price on a record, and that it won't be trashed or overly scratched. They don't mind paying $5-10 for a record if they know they can sell it at a higher price in their store. The main purpose of a thrift is NOT to provide a source for the collectible market - it is usually to raise money which can help support the goals of the charity organization. Goodwill would prefer to raise $10 by selling a record versus getting only $1 for it, and fortunately they have a group of volunteers that can help them achieve this goal. This is good news for Goodwill and the people it serves, but not for the common record fan who has dreams of finding the Beatles Butcher Block LP for $1. Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of exotica-digest V2 #850 *****************************