From: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com (exotica-digest) To: exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: exotica-digest V2 #963 Reply-To: exotica-digest Sender: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes exotica-digest Thursday, April 26 2001 Volume 02 : Number 963 In This Digest: Re: (exotica) New To List (exotica) Re: Captain Hook Re: (exotica) needle question Re: (exotica) chinese pop (was recent buys) Re: (exotica) soft pop/rock query (exotica) Headline: "The birds may sing, but campers can't unless they pay up" Re: (exotica) organ records Re: (exotica) organ LP finds..... Re: (exotica) soft pop/rock query (exotica) [obit] Isaac "Ike" Cole Re: (exotica) recent buys/organ music Re: (exotica) soft pop/rock query Re: (exotica) soft pop/rock query Re: (exotica) needle question Re: (exotica) organ records Re: (exotica) recent buys/organ music (exotica) Re: anyone else call their pets exotica related names (exotica) Re: Bacharach Baroque: German (or Dutch). Re: (exotica) Re: anyone else call their pets exotica related names (exotica)Idi Amin playing polka (exotica) a new subgenre discovered (exotica) soft pop tributaries Re: (exotica) soft pop tributaries Re: (exotica) soft pop tributaries Re: (exotica) soft pop tributaries Re: (exotica) soft pop tributaries Re: (exotica) soft pop tributaries RE: (exotica) soft pop tributaries Re: (exotica) soft pop tributaries ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 06:28:59 -0400 From: "Robert Cohen" Subject: Re: (exotica) New To List on 4/25/01 7:20 AM, Robert Cohen at racprint@mediaone.net wrote: > > > > Does anyone know what ever happened to Jerry Nutter? I wrote him a letter > > in 1992 at his address in South Ozone Park, NY, but he never responded. > > This guy was definitely warped, and seemed to really know his cool and > > strange. > > He and fellow New Yorker Jack Fetterman started a groovy easy listening > night called "In Hi-Fi" at Bar d'O in Greenwich Village back in '95. Jerry > dropped out soon after it's inception (replaced by Scott Springer), but he > still shows up at it ocassionally ("In Hi-Fi" was weekly, but is now held on > the second Tuesday of each month). I believe Jerry now lives in Manhattan, > so your letter may never have reached him. > > br cleve Thanks, br. Any idea how to contact him? I'd love to get all the back issues of Audio Carpetorium, if they still exist. Bob Cohen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:18:07 -0400 From: "Robert Cohen" Subject: (exotica) Re: Captain Hook > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:05:58 -0400 > From: nytab@pipeline.com > Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) LP finds..... > > Ben Waugh wrote: > > "The most hideously bizarre Christian thing on > television is 'Captain Hook's Christian Pirate > Puppets', a trully demented cable program hosted by a > real > multiple-amputee; he's missing an arm and a leg. The Creme de la Creme was when the captain broadcast a > segment where he explained how he lost his arm and > leg in a motorcycle accident. The segment was full of > gorey, full-color drawings depicting the whole > incident > - ------------ > Chusid showed this segment at one of his Incorrect Music Video Shows - truly a mind-altering experience! It took many martinis to wash away those images. > > lousmith@pipeline.com Is there anywhere on the web that I can view this segment? Bob Cohen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:01:22 -0400 From: "Robert Cohen" Subject: Re: (exotica) needle question > Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:19:45 -0000 > From: "james brouwer" > Subject: (exotica) needle question > > I'm not much of an audiophile so pardon my ignorance. I have one turntable > and one needle. It's getting a bit old. But how old is too old? It would be very helpful to know what turntable and what cartridge you are using, and about how many hours are on it. > - - How many hours of play does a needle have before it gets damaged? I don't believe in needle wear. That's my personal opinion. Unless the needle is damaged by severe scratches or bubbles, it should last indefinitely. Afterall, it's a diamond. I can usually get 1000 hours easily. HOWEVER, it's the cantilever you really have to worry about. It gets brittle and inflexible after time, and the sound quality is degraded. I have to remember this is not the audiophile list I am used to, so this may not even be an issue. If sound quality doesn't factor in, you probably don't have to worry. > - - How can you tell if it is damaged? A magnifying glass helps, but since you don't know what the stylus was supposed to look like in the first place, you really don't know if it's altered over time. I suppose if you see a giant chunk bit out of one side of the stylus, well, there's your answer. > - - Do scratchy records damage it? I used to worry a lot about scratches. Now I only worry about EXTREME scratches, and definitely about bubbles, particularly if they are severe vertical bubbles which will hit the stylus like a ton of bricks. > - - Are some needles heartier than others? Yes. Depends on the shape of the stylus. > whatever help would be greatly appreciated. > jb As part of my hobby, I buy and sell mid-fi equipment (I get all my stuff at yard sales in the summer). I particularly like selling turntables, because I like to get people back into listening to vinyl. I check the styli with a magnifying glass, and usually they pass muster, and in many cases they are 20 to 25 years old. Sometimes the stylus is broken right off. That, of course, is a no-brainer. Take what I say with a grain of salt. I have had much experience with equipment, having been in the stereo business in the 70's, and been a serious listener since the mid-80's, but I am by no means an expert. These are just my opinions based on my own experience. Bob Cohen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:24:28 +0200 From: Edjunkita Subject: Re: (exotica) chinese pop (was recent buys) William wrote: > ... who are the quests? Actually they were from Singapore, but I thought you might be able find them in Taipei too. They play some songs on the amazing "Girls inthe Garage Vol.9", backing several Singaporean female vocalists: www.gethip.com/romulan/ufox-27.html more Quests info : http://home1.pacific.net.sg/~pisces/index.htm www.happening.com.sg/music/features/1997/archive/retrospin/60s.html (4 pages, don't overlook the tiny "next" button all the way down) > i'm not sure the chinese stuff i have is what you are looking for as it is > still rather on the traditional side. I also dig the "Modern Revolutionary Opera" stuff from the Mainland. They have beautiful album covers too. Probably not so popular in Taiwan, he he he... Otherwise, anything but the usual romantic schmaltz is ok. >>...Do you know any other chinese sites to DL from? >...not right now but i'm still looking... Joseph Koo did the groovy soundtracks for the first 3 Bruce Lee movies: www.josephkoo.com/ http://koolkoo.com/ koolkoo.com has a flashplayer jukebox but I haven't found any oldies yet It's difficult finding your way around when you can't read Chinese. I think you need big5 or whatever. >...you might try plugging in "ge lan" or "grace chang" or "sun ling" or "chou hsuan" >on napster and see what you get. Thanks for the names. I usually have more luck with Cambodian oldies. The Cambodians are more active on napster than the Chinese, and their songs are much wilder too. edward in amsterdam. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:15:57 -0700 (PDT) From: chuck Subject: Re: (exotica) soft pop/rock query Ben I give Orpheus a 7. Some good songs but it tends to bore me a little. I know DjJimmy is an expert on them and thinks they are great. They were part of the "Boston sound" from the late 60s. The New Colony Six are generally very sugary without spice. Sweety almost bubblegummy but they do a few killer melodies. I have heard this whole album but I would buy it if I saw it. Roger Nichols is fantastic, well at least a few songs on it are. This is a must have. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck - --- Benito Vergara wrote: > > Hello folks, > > In the April '01 issue of Mojo (the one with the Smiths on the > cover), > there's an interview with Chris Dedrick of The Free Design. The > sidebar that > comes with the article features three "soft rock classics," and I > am, > unfortunately, too ignorant to have ever heard of them. > > They are: > > Orpheus - s/t > The New Colony Six - Attacking a Straw Man > Roger Nichols and The Small Circle Of Friends - s/t > > Comments? Any of them worth checking out? > > Thanks in advance, > Ben __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:36:56 -0400 From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) Headline: "The birds may sing, but campers can't unless they pay up" An old news item (1996!), but I never heard about it before: http://www.s-t.com/daily/08-96/08-23-96/b02li056.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:38:05 -0400 From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: (exotica) organ records G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk wrote: > I did think about getting on board this train for a while, and for about 6 months bought every organ record I saw. Its too much, and there is so much crap, I think possibly more than any other. But it is well sub-genred. - ---------- You left off Organ & Chimes lps. These exist at the intersection of organ/percussion/hifi/holiday (most of them feature xmas carols). I collected a large handful of these back a few years ago. They were all beat to s!@# implying they were listened to often on not quite perfect systems. Anyone know anything about this sub-genre? Are there stars of Organ&Chimes? Did all the lps come out in a narrow time span. What triggered the fad, if fad it was, and what killed it off? lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:42:13 -0000 From: "james brouwer" Subject: Re: (exotica) organ LP finds..... Dan wrote: >The organ certainly has a lot of potential for weirdness, though I've never >ventured down the perilous road of organ records beyond one or two Earl >Grant and Jackie Davis LP's. But have oft wondered whether there are some >slept-on organ records that I shouldn't be passing up at the thrifts. Any >recommendations? Clayton (if you are a Lenny Dee fan)? Anyone? I've mentioned this disc before, but it can't hurt again. "The Amzing Sounds of Eddie Baxter" on DOT records has a few choice cuts on it. His 'Quiet Village' is one of my all-time faves (he makes these screeching bird sounds with the ole Lowery!). I have two other Eddie Baxter records but they're pretty tame. - -jbrouwer _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:58:36 -0400 From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica) soft pop/rock query The New Colony Six are generally very sugary without spice. Sweety >almost bubblegummy but they do a few killer melodies. I have heard >this whole album but I would buy it if I saw it. The New Colony Six to know is "At the River's Edge" on Sundazed. This has all of their Sentar sides and little of the Mercury stuff and they do indeed get sugary at times. The title cut however is a real stomping good time, though. I have footage of them performing on "Mulqueen's Kiddie-Au-Go-Go" which is a delight, not only the music but for the wonderfully arrhythmic kiddies. Your pun inserted here, Brian Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:11:46 -0400 From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) [obit] Isaac "Ike" Cole Isaac Cole SUN LAKES, Ariz. (AP) -- Jazz pianist-composer Isaac Cole, brother of the late singer Nat King Cole who worked on his niece Natalie's multiple Grammy-winning 1991 album, died Sunday of cancer. He was 73. Ike Cole said he may have benefited from being compared with his more famous brother, who died in 1965 of lung cancer at 45, but that he disliked being accused of ``trying to live off the name.'' Ike Cole said he decided against changing his name because, shortly before dying, Nat asked him not to. He and brother Freddy toured in 1990 with a show saluting their famous brother. Ike Cole had played a bass drum in an Army band but in 1957, he formed the Ike Cole Trio in Chicago, where he was born, and went on the road. Winning major TV exposure, he soon was booked steadily for Las Vegas shows. His trio also regularly toured Japan, Australia and Europe as well as the United States. Though he often sang a medley of his older brother's hits, Ike primarily was a jazzman. He played keyboard when Natalie Cole recorded her late father's songs for a 1991 album that won three Grammys. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:52:28 -0400 (EDT) From: delicado@cheerful.com Subject: Re: (exotica) recent buys/organ music Re: Organ music, I would recommend Shirley Scott. She did some great albums on prestige, cadet and Impulse. Some of it could be described as more straight ahead jazz, but a lot of it is very much the type of stuff people on this would like (e.g. her killer version of Mancini's 'A shot in the dark'). The 'Shirley Scott - talkin verve' CD compilation seems quite good. Re: >...jonny's musical taste site... >>I always miss audio examples on sites like this. >>edward in amsterdam. I'm happy to announce that there are now audio samples on the site. I added around 20 clips last night (mp3 format); look for the 'LISTEN' button in each individual song recommendation. I will be adding more over the next week. I hope people find them interesting cheers, jonny post/view song recommendations: http://www.musicaltaste.net - ----------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:05:11 -0700 (PDT) From: chuck Subject: Re: (exotica) soft pop/rock query I second Brians recommendation of At the Rivers Edge. Fantastic comp! I saw the New Colony Six live once at my High School! Easy listening to soft pop in the Big Easy Chuck --- Brian Phillips wrote:The New Colony Six to know is "At the River's Edge" on Sundazed. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:42:53 -0400 From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) soft pop/rock query At 08:56 PM 4/25/01 -0700, Benito Vergara wrote: > >Orpheus - s/t >The New Colony Six - Attacking a Straw Man >Roger Nichols and The Small Circle Of Friends - s/t > >Comments? Any of them worth checking out? People like JimmyB have "kvelled" about Roger Nichols so I assume that's worth it. Actually it was JimmyB also who turned me on to Orpheus. I have three of their LP's. One of them is really good. I don't know which one is the one on CD but I think in general, they're worth it. I also really like the New Colony Six record I have. There's this amazing semi-spoken word piece. Truth is I like just about everything in this genre as long as it fits, so I guess I'm the wrong person to ask. If you're asking "do they sound like the Free Design?" the answer is no. No one really does, so far that I've found, though the Match and The Love Generation come close. AZ AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:48:10 -0400 From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) needle question I change the cartridge about once a year if I remember. Usually in the summer. I buy Stantons for about fifty bucks because they are most amenable to winding backwards along the groove. Not so I can continue to scratch and practice my turntable antics but just so I can wind back half a turn when recording. I know nothing about needles except the one that's about to enter my mouth any second now as the dentist continues to try and save me from myself. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:57:00 -0400 From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) organ records >---------- >You left off Organ & Chimes lps. These exist at the intersection of organ/percussion/hifi/holiday (most of them feature xmas carols). > >I collected a large handful of these back a few years ago. What triggered the fad, if fad it was, and what killed it off? Yeah Chimes! A record which in my opinion, does not get nearly enough respect or mention here on this list is the John Klein and Sid Ramin collaboration "The New Sound America Loves Best". (The title of the record and the classic cover don't hurt). This was my first favorite lounge/exotica record and it's still in my top ten. The version of "Whistle while you work" introduced me to the whole concept of "lounge music as inner soundtrack for serial killers". A concept which continued to be relevant when I first heard the Free Design. And if you get that connection, I feel sorry for you. John Klein, the chime player - there's an official name for that - is on plenty of other records, including a "solo" record I once had. I assume the fad started as part of the percussion fad. You see those Dick Schory records with all manner of things to hit. Chimes were just one more. But this reminds me of a tiny tiny sub genre of organ record we didn't quite mention. Yes someone mentioned our beloved Three Suns but they have at least two records where they add this monstrously loud pipe organ player as a Fourth Sun. The two I have are also in my top ten. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:58:13 -0500 From: "Darrell Brogdon" Subject: Re: (exotica) recent buys/organ music > Re: Organ music, I would recommend Shirley Scott. She did some great > albums on prestige, cadet and Impulse. And her "Latin Shadows" has recently been reissued on CD, with arrangements by Gary McFarland. Great version of "Dreamsville"! Darrell Brogdon The Retro Cocktail Hour KANU FM 91.5 Visit The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Listen to The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro/retrolisten.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:50:35 +0200 From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: anyone else call their pets exotica related names i named my cat "spike", after both spike milligan & spike jones, 2 of my fave novelty artists. and she (yes it's a female) is so funny sometimes too... Johan ----- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:54:04 +0200 From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: Bacharach Baroque: German (or Dutch). >From: alan zweig >It's been mentioned lots of times. But there are (at least) two Bacharach >Baroque records. One is German (or Dutch)... Among the artists: Siegfried Schwab and Manfred H=FCbler, so it'd better be german. Johan ----- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:18:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: anyone else call their pets exotica related names What about children? I've named my son "Chango" (I also call him "Howler Monkey", "It's Alive" and Apocalypse Now", "Geschrei") and even commissioned a fez to fit his impressive infant skull. Sometimes he is funny, but more often, he is frightening. I swear he speaks fluent Urdu and he is marvelously unbound by social conventions. His talons come in faster than I can prune them down. - --- Johan Dada Vis wrote: > > i named my cat "spike", after both spike milligan & > spike jones, 2 of > my fave novelty artists. and she (yes it's a female) > is so funny > sometimes too... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:26:15 -0400 From: Peter Gingerich Subject: (exotica)Idi Amin playing polka This via the outsider list: >http://polkaparty2001.com/ > >got to the audio page, and you will find: > >{HYPERLINK "idibaby.ra"}Idi Amin Playing The Accordion >Recorded in Uganda during his reign of terror. > Grab a stein pull up a stool and lets party. pg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:08:26 -0400 From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) a new subgenre discovered Okay who has one to add to my collection of records featuring nothing but compositions by Gilbert O'Sullivan? I have two. One by Roy Budd and one by Big Jim Sullivan. (Sullivan plays O'Sullivan). They're both amazing and unique records though I would only recommend them to uh... openminded people. Roy plays a lot of electric piano and on occasion veers into fusion. Big Jim... well for years I've looked for one of his records. I remember him well from the Tom Jones show. The one longhair in the band. When I think of Now Sound orchestras, I often think back to that band which is one of the few "from the day" I've ever seen (even though it's a bit past the prime period). I'm not sure this was the one to find but I have a feeling this is his sound. He's sort of like the 1970's answer to Buddy Merrill, in that he uses lots of layers of different guitar sounds but it's a slightly more "modern" sound than the great Buddy (Have I recommended his records enough yet?) It's a little off-putting to hear that sort of Claptonesque fat guitar sound mixed in with all the other more familiar guitar and sitar sounds. It doesn't really work. But that's interesting in and of itself. I don't have any other records with this mix of sounds. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:08:27 -0400 From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) soft pop tributaries Right now I'm listening to a record by the Duprees. I picked it up hoping it might be more like the Happenings and less like a Four Seasons knockoff. Unfortunately it's more the latter and not that good. But they can sing and it has some pleasure. Before this I was listening to an Ultimate Spinach record I bought yesterday. It's amazing to me that I'm buying stuff like this but it all goes back to first hearing the Free Design and then remembering how much I liked the non-hits from the Association. For almost the thirty years I virtually ignored records from the sixties. I might have picked up a Velvet Underground record I didn't have. Or check out another Tim Buckley. But the vast pop-rock thing was basically behind me. But now I'm not only buying it but worse I'm forced to guess. I look at the name of the band. The names of songs. It's hard to resist the Ultimate Spinach's "Ballad of the Hip Death Goddess". I look at their hair. If they have seventies hair, meaning they've been growing their hair for a while and they're comfortable with it (even if they shouldn't be) then I avoid them. If however they have the kind of long hair I had in grade 11 when my father finally stopped paying close attention to the last time I got my hair cut, then I'm immediately interested. Some of the stuff I'm glad to find doesn't quite fit the soft pop genre. I wouldn't say I'm looking for "psychedelic" records but there are records that sort of cross over. I do like soft pop with psychedelia but more importantly soft pop sometimes disguises itself as psychedelia. Orpheus is a name for a psychedelic band but actually they sound a lot more like this Duprees thing which is still playing and growing on me. Occasionally I come across something that I actually heard back in the day. The Association, the Fifth Dimension, the Cowsills. (And btw, the Cowsills are really quite good across three or four records. They may have inspired the Partridges but they are the real thing.) And there are occasional ones I remember but I never associated with this genre. Like the Tokens or the Happenings who I thought of more in the post doo-wop genre but actually cross over nicely. But the vast majority of things I find are "new" to me. Maybe I saw them in some movie I forgot or some episode of Hullabaloo but otherwise the Love Generation, the Sunshine Company.... Anyway I find it fascinating and distressing to be in the "rock section" at this point. I can sort of understand how I got here. And it fits with my groovy sixties soundtrack thing. This is the vocal equivalent of the sitar and organ anthems I'm looking for elsewhere. And sometimes they cross over. Dino Desi and Billy singing "Spray Colored Glasses" on the Follow Me soundtrack, which is elsewhere covered brilliantly by the Match on their record. One of the things that's distressing about it is that I'm now competing with the psychedelic collectors who will buy ANYTHING with the slightest touch of "weirdness" and they will pay almost anything for it too. The other bad thing is that when I guess badly, it can cost me twenty bucks. But the worst thing about buying records in this genre is that occasionally all the soft rock psychedelia signs are there but instead you just get your standard plodding bad rock record. For some reason, with all the mediocre records I've bought and tried out, nothing quite ruins my day so much as a mediocre rock record. And it's not just that it cost me twenty bucks instead of fifty cents though that's certainly part of it. You buy a lounge record hoping it'll be better than average and it turns out to be average. It's still okay. It doesn't chase you down and ruin your day. The only reason I wrote this is because the dentist just pushed me back a half hour. But I realize that from now on I can put essays like this on my new website, which is ostensibly about the film but is really just a diary site. I'll give you the url when it's here. But I think that in the future I will send all my long record buying rants there. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:22:28 From: "Daniel Shiman" Subject: Re: (exotica) soft pop tributaries >I do like soft pop with psychedelia but more importantly soft pop sometimes >disguises itself as psychedelia. Orpheus is a name for a psychedelic Have you tried Harper's Bizarre's (?) album, their first I think, "Feelin' Groovy"? There is one song contained thereon, "Come Love", which is an especially blissful slice of soft psychedelic pop. - -Dan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:32:11 -0700 (PDT) From: chuck Subject: Re: (exotica) soft pop tributaries Dan Who wrote "Come Love" ? Was it Van Dyke Parks or another of those Wonoker Warner Brothers soft pop West Coast guys? For me Harpers Bizarre when they are not being Wnchester Cathedrally are as good as it gets in the sunshine pop or psychedlic pop vein, which I consider two seperate genres of the larger soft pop scene. Thanks Chuck - --- Daniel Shiman wrote: > Have you tried Harper's Bizarre's (?) album, their first I think, > "Feelin' > Groovy"? There is one song contained thereon, "Come Love", which > is an > especially blissful slice of soft psychedelic pop. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:43:48 EDT From: Tipsydave@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) soft pop tributaries As far as the soft pop/psych thing goes... Look for the Sagittarius lp "Present Tense". It's one of my all-time favorite albums. Stunningly overproduced. By the way, how is that Ultimate Spinach? - -dave In a message dated 4/26/01 10:06:15 AM, azed@pathcom.com writes: << Before this I was listening to an Ultimate Spinach record I bought yesterday. It's amazing to me that I'm buying stuff like this but it all goes back to first hearing the Free Design and then remembering how much I liked the non-hits from the Association. For almost the thirty years I virtually ignored records from the sixties. I might have picked up a Velvet Underground record I didn't have. Or check out another Tim Buckley. But the vast pop-rock thing was basically behind me. But now I'm not only buying it but worse I'm forced to guess. I look at the name of the band. The names of songs. It's hard to resist the Ultimate Spinach's "Ballad of the Hip Death Goddess". (...) Some of the stuff I'm glad to find doesn't quite fit the soft pop genre. I wouldn't say I'm looking for "psychedelic" records but there are records that sort of cross over. I do like soft pop with psychedelia but more importantly soft pop sometimes disguises itself as psychedelia. Orpheus is a name for a psychedelic band but actually they sound a lot more like this Duprees thing which is still playing and growing on me. Occasionally I come across something that I actually heard back in the day. The Association, the Fifth Dimension, the Cowsills. (And btw, the Cowsills are really quite good across three or four records. They may have inspired the Partridges but they are the real thing.) And there are occasional ones I remember but I never associated with this genre. Like the Tokens or the Happenings who I thought of more in the post doo-wop genre but actually cross over nicely. But the vast majority of things I find are "new" to me. Maybe I saw them in some movie I forgot or some episode of Hullabaloo but otherwise the Love Generation, the Sunshine Company.... Anyway I find it fascinating and distressing to be in the "rock section" at this point. I can sort of understand how I got here. And it fits with my groovy sixties soundtrack thing. This is the vocal equivalent of the sitar and organ anthems I'm looking for elsewhere. And sometimes they cross over. Dino Desi and Billy singing "Spray Colored Glasses" on the Follow Me soundtrack, which is elsewhere covered brilliantly by the Match on their record. One of the things that's distressing about it is that I'm now competing with the psychedelic collectors who will buy ANYTHING with the slightest touch of "weirdness" and they will pay almost anything for it too. The other bad thing is that when I guess badly, it can cost me twenty bucks. But the worst thing about buying records in this genre is that occasionally all the soft rock psychedelia signs are there but instead you just get your standard plodding bad rock record. For some reason, with all the mediocre records I've bought and tried out, nothing quite ruins my day so much as a mediocre rock record. And it's not just that it cost me twenty bucks instead of fifty cents though that's certainly part of it. You buy a lounge record hoping it'll be better than average and it turns out to be average. It's still okay. It doesn't chase you down and ruin your day. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:58:39 EDT From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) soft pop tributaries In a message dated 4/26/1 1:23:18 PM, daniel_shiman@hotmail.com wrote: >Have you tried Harper's Bizarre's (?) album, their first I think, "Feelin' >Groovy"? There is one song contained thereon, "Come Love", which is an >especially blissful slice of soft psychedelic pop. It was Harper's Bizarre's version of "Me Japanese Boy I Love You" (written by Bacharach/David) that the Pizzicato 5 covered on one or their import CD;s I bought for $32.99 when I sold my punk LP's # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:04:19 EDT From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) soft pop tributaries In a message dated 4/26/1 3:45:32 PM, Tipsydave@aol.com wrote: >Look for the Sagittarius lp "Present Tense". It's one of my all-time favorite >albums. >Stunningly overproduced. Agreed...recently re-issued by Sundazed along with Yellow Balloon and Ronnie and the Daytona's "Sandy" LP. Which is fabulash. If you only know Ronnie and The Daytonas from "Little GTO" you really oughta get a listen to "Sandy" Its nothing but "summer" ballads...They're a poor man's Beach Boys and available in 180mg vinyl! >By the way, how is that Ultimate Spinach? I think they suck, but I'm from Boston where they were part of the 1967 Great Rock And Roll Swindle AKA "The Bosstown Sound"...I haven't listened to them since 1968. Maybe I should re-listen. Maybe not # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:40:30 -0700 From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica) soft pop tributaries Thanks to everyone who replied; you were a great help! Jonny Perl also reminded me that he had just posted a review of the Roger Nichols album to this list last week... It's odd that I don't know more of this stuff because I grew up in a place (the Philippines) where soft pop/rock reigned supreme. It helps to remember that The Third Wave (ok, not as hip as the Dusty Groove people say, but they were still pretty darn cool) were from the Philippines as well. But perhaps it was a different tributary all together (I know Alan, nee Nat, and I had a long previous discussion about the Sandpipers over which genre they actually belonged). For instance, many Filipinos still know, by heart, the lyrics to songs by America. And Bread. And Daniel Boone's "Beautiful Sunday." And Friend and Lover's "Reach Out Of The Darkness." And the Bells' "Stay Awhile." And Spiral Staircase's "More Today than Yesterday," one of my favorite songs of all time. But perhaps these aren't soft pop anymore... > I look at their hair. If they have seventies hair, meaning they've been > growing their hair for a while and they're comfortable with it (even if > they shouldn't be) then I avoid them. > I do like soft pop with psychedelia but more importantly soft pop > sometimes > disguises itself as psychedelia. Did the Strawberry Alarm Clock have seventies hair? At this point I feel like re-plugging one of my favorite sites of all time (http://webfitz.www.50megs.com/), if only for the funny annotations to the "MacArthur Park" lyrics. Later, Ben np: boredoms, "vision creation newsun" http://members.tripod.com/~tamad2/ ICQ: 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:24:10 -0400 From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) soft pop tributaries At 06:22 PM 4/26/01, Daniel Shiman wrote: > >Have you tried Harper's Bizarre's (?) album, their first I think, "Feelin' >Groovy"? There is one song contained thereon, "Come Love", which is an >especially blissful slice of soft psychedelic pop. Harpers Bizarre in general drive me crazy with their annoying predilection for vo-dee-oh-doh Rudy Vallee novelty tunes. I had all their records and then I got rid of them. But not before putting the best tunes on a CDR. And I agree Daniel. "Comes Love" is a fabulous thing. You have good taste! AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of exotica-digest V2 #963 *****************************