From: owner-gdm-digest@lists.xmission.com (gdm-digest) To: gdm-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: gdm-digest V2 #13 Reply-To: gdm-digest Sender: owner-gdm-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-gdm-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk gdm-digest Friday, November 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 013 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 23:04:52 -0700 From: "Perry L. Porter" Subject: ---> Mormon News Thursday, October 29, 1998 Tragic tale of torture By PETER SMITH, CALGARY SUN SALT LAKE CITY, Utah -- An Alberta woman could face the death penalty in Utah in connection with the brutal sex assault and torture of her three-year-old daughter. Rebecca Bluff, originally from Mountain View near the Alberta-Montana border, was bound and beaten to death in her Salt Lake City home last week, investigators say. The little girl's mother, 26-year-old Ferosa Bluff, has been charged with child abuse homicide in a case even veteran cops are calling the worst they've ever worked on. "This is just beyond comprehension," said Det. Richard Ninow of the Salt Lake County Sheriff Department's juvenile crime unit. "The little girl was tortured. She was badly beaten -- I mean severely, severely beaten," he said. The girl's two-year-old sister, Sarah, was found with bruises on her body, but is in good physical condition and has been placed in state protective custody. Rebecca died Oct. 21 at Primary Children's Medical Center in Salt Lake City after an adult in her home called 911 claiming she'd fallen down the stairs. But it quickly became clear to investigators Rebecca's injuries were the result of a brutal beating and sex assault. An autopsy report ruled she died from massive internal bleeding caused by "multiple blunt force trauma caused by non-accidental trauma." "She would have suffered for several days," said a shaken Peggy Faulkner, deputy with the sheriff's office. The child's body indicated injuries to her buttocks, vaginal area, legs and back, including evidence of sexual assault. State medical examiner Dr. Maureen Fricke concluded injuries to Rebecca's buttocks and feet were consistent with torture. Evidence seized this week at the home Ferosa Bluff shared with Andrew Fedorowicz, 45, and Susannah Fedorowicz, 44, painted a horrifying picture of bondage and torture. Police discovered pornographic material depicting sexual bondage and restraints, along with ropes, whips and other sexual devices that state medical examiners say could have produced the type of injuries found on the girl's body. An addendum to the police search warrant revealed items found inside the residence included computer-generated bondage photos, home-made videotapes depicting adults involved in sexual acts and a magazine titled Naughty Neighbors -- Young Girls Special. Because of the evidence, prosecutors are working to have the charges upgraded to aggravated homicide, a capital offence that carries a maximum penalty of death. Andrew and Susannah Fedorowicz are also being held on murder charges and could also face the death penalty. After Rebecca's death, Andrew Fedorowicz told deputies he had spanked the child repeatedly in the previous two weeks in an attempt to discipline the girl. Rebecca "tried to kill her two-year-old sister ... and (he) had to spank her for this," he says in the affidavit. He also told police that after Rebecca fell down the stairs, he tried to revive her by placing her in a bathtub. At that point, he said he noticed blood coming from the child's vaginal area, the affidavit states. Resident Cali Murray, 16, occasionally babysat for the family. "Rebecca was the sweetest girl," said Murray. "She was so funny; she loved to play. She was just really, really sweet -- really pretty, too." Ferosa's estranged husband Todd Bluff still lives in the Mountain View area. Police said yesterday he was in Salt Lake City trying to gain custody of his surviving daughter. A custody hearing is scheduled for Nov. 4. Previous story: Residents urge eye for an eye - ------------------------- [I saw this on an other list I am on, and you know I agree with the comments, he puts them rather strongly, but to get people's attention, you have got to do more than mumble. Here it is: ] - ------------- [You know it just makes me sick to read this.] The Arizona Republic (PHX) Chandler Community PARENTS PROUD OF WORTHY SON ART THOMASON, Republic Columnist 3868 Characters 10/20/98 (Copyright 1998 Phoenix Newspapers, Inc.) His heart bleeds. Dale Borden struggles for the right words. Words that elude him. Instead, we hear cold utterances from an agonizing father. Callous words from a man who loves his son. Insensitive words that pierce the toughest of our hides. Words that compel us to search for a deeper meaning. "I knew when he said them that there were people who were going to take him wrong," Borden's wife, Myrna, tells me Monday. Myrna and Dale's son, Bradley, lay in a hospital bed 6,000 miles from home, his upper torso perforated by a drunk's knife. The wrenching anguish of waiting -- unable to be at his bedside in an eastern Russian village, unable to hold his hand or kiss his forehead and tell him how much they love him -- is no different for the Bordens than it is for any other parents. But now, the indelicate nature of public comments opens new wounds - -- injury that this family does not deserve. "You see," Dale told reporters, "we'd rather have him come home in a pine box than do something unworthy." [That is such a sick and unbelievable statement, It is as if they don't believe in repentance!!! It is better to DIE make a mistake!] Dale Borden, no doubt, was using an expression that he had heard many times, an exaggeration to underscore a point. An excess better stated, perhaps, from the pulpit than on a lawn before reporters. [NO from the Pulpit it gets the trappings of authority, but from the front lawn, it sounds like a whacko, which he is.] Unworthy is a condition that Mormon missionaries work hard to avoid. It is the antithesis of the missionary standard. It is sin, it is violating the sanctity of mission work, breaking church rules. [How did missionary work somehow become more sacred then life it's self, the daily work of a marriage, family and making a living to stay alive and well?] Ultimately, it can lead to excommunication. In the eyes of his parents and church elders, 20-year-old Bradley Borden has long been worthy of the ministry he prepared for. His missionary indoctrination began at home and in the Dana Ranch Ward, Mesa Kimball Stake, when he was old enough to appreciate the meaning of living his life for Christ. Like every active Mormon, he was consumed by the critical importance of God's ministry. There was always training through example. There were parents and older siblings who conducted church missions. There were four years of early-morning seminary classes before the start of public high school classes. Then there were two months of intensive training at the Missionary Training Center in Provo, Utah, before the assignment to Russia. There are the rules that many of us perceive as isolating the Bradley Bordens from the mainstream of a society. No socializing with the opposite sex, no movies. No personal or telephone contact with Mom and Dad or other family members except on Mother's Day and Christmas. [As a young 19 year old boy, I accepted such rules as necessary, as a grown adult, I find them without rhyme or reason. If there is a divine principal that contact with one's loved ones diminishes the quality of one's efforts, then that principle should hold true at times other than a mission! Should I not call and talk to my Daughter at USU for another 4 years until she is done with School, except for 3 holidays a year? This rule is such utter bullshit! If a missionary is so home sick that talking to his parents makes the son so home sick that he can't stand it any longer, then maybe he had better go home and grow up first. But to have such controlling rules that smacks of a bad cult, hardly seems Christian. If sons talking to their parents causes them to lose the spirit to the extent that they no longer feel like doing missionary work, what kind of external social pressure is keeping them in the mission field in the first place? How did these people ever become worthy to serve a mission, by living around such spiritually devoid parents in the first place? Was it Early morning seminary that gave them their moral foundation? All I can say is when my children go on missions if they need to talk to their Dad, no stupid is going to stop them!] Bradley didn't break any rules of the church or Russian law. For this, his family is elated. [Geeesh, they seem more concerned that he kept mission rules, than if he is alive? Knowing how stupid some mission rules are, that would not make me feel much loved by my family. Unconditional love? No, love conditional on me living sometimes very arbitrary and illogical mission rules!] Had he violated the tenets of his ministry, Myrna and Dale would have been heartbroken. [Shit would somebody please slap there people!] But they do not place their son on a sacrificial altar. They are relieved beyond belief that he is alive. [Boy this contradict their previous statements, doesn't it.] "In our our own heart, the thought he would break a mission rule and be sent home is hard for us to think about," she said. "But that's not to say that we would ever prefer him to be killed. [Apparently the mother didn't hear what the father said. What kind of parents would prefer to have their children DEAD? Yet being sent home is a same that death would almost be preferable! EEEK!] "We would do anything for him. We are very proud of our son, proud that he took two years out of his life to do something very important to him and to us, to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ. "We are very proud of him and proud of what he did insofar as this attack on him. We would do anything for him. If there was anything we could do for him now, we would do it." [How about cutting the poor guy some slack, he is going to feel extreme pressure to live every possible rule to the nth degree, least people don't think that he should have died instead of his companion.] It seems like you're doing as much as you can, Mrs. Borden. And I'm sure that Bradley is comforted by it. [Of course you couldn't call him and tell him such, like normal people would, but you can't because that would be breaking the asinine rules that came down, supposedly, from the very top! This father is the one that the day after he was informed of the attempt on his son's life said "we are excited for him to get back to doing missionary work". Hey this guy was stabbed. He could have been killed, also, but was not. His companion WAS kill. Hey give him a week or slack to recover from the trauma, having his companion killed in front of him. The success of Mormonism is NOT hinging on whether this young kid gets in a solid 70 hours of missionary work in each week of this month! What is hinging in the balance is mental stability of this young man's entire life and what other people's superstitions, that he may be saddled with for the rest of his life. A cult that required unconditional and illogical conformity to the most minute of rules and regulations, is an unsafe cult unworthy of thinking human beings! If these people represent the feelings of most Mormons, and considering my own lack luster mission experience, should I feel I am just barely worth of living? Or should I be hyper dedicated to make up for the fact that my mission was NOT the best two years of my life? I think not. I will just try to be a good person, self motivated, because it seems like the moral thing to do and be a good father to my children and not burden them with cult like expectations of conformity to silly little rules made up my very small minded men. And make sure my children know I love them before they have real life experiences and that I love them just as much after those experiences! ] - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:41:52 -0700 From: "Perry L. Porter" Subject: ---> Possible end of the world, (Y2K) - ------------------ Senator Bob Bennett (Utah) chairs the U.S. Senate's Y2K Committee. Enclosed also are comments regarding a meeting he had with the 1st Presidency. -----Original Message----- I thought people might be interested in what Senator Bennett said about the year 2,000 computer problem. He spoke at a McLean Stake Fireside in October. The follow are notes taken at the fireside: Notes taken by Steve Nichols, a member of the Arlington Ward, McLean, Virginia Stake in October 1998. On Sunday, our stake had a family preparedness fireside on the year 2000 (Y2K). The speaker was Senator Bennett of Utah who is the chairman of the Senate Committee on Y2K. I went to the fireside thinking that it would be interesting, but also thinking that Y2K was not a big deal. Senator Bennett convinced me otherwise. The Y2K problem will be an unbelievably widespread problem that we each need to start preparing for right now. Anything that is controlled by a computer or a computer chip may malfunction in dangerous and unpredictable ways at the beginning of the year 2000. Unfortunately, everything is controlled by a computer these days. To illustrate the problem, Senator Bennett told the following stories: To test a water treatment plant, the plant management rolled the clocks ahead to 2000 to see how the computer systems of the plant would react. The computer responded by immediately dumping all the chemicals it had into the water supply instead of slowing dispensing the chemicals as it was supposed to do. The water was then poison and unusable. At a General Motors factory, the management also rolled the clocks ahead to see what would happen. The result was that none of the robots on the assembly line would work. The factory was useless. Moreover, when the inspectors tried to leave, the security system refused to let them out of the building. Elevators have to be inspected regularly by law. When the year 2000 hits, elevators may think they have not been inspected for 99 years. When an inspection is missed, most elevators are programmed to go immediately to the basement and close their doors until the inspector comes. Don't get in an elevator New Year's Eve 1999. In January 2000, Senator Bennett does not think that the national power grid will fail, but thinks that some areas will inevitably experience extended brown and black-cuts. Supplies of natural gas and telephone communications could also be interrupted. Long distance telephone communications will almost certainly be interrupted. The FAA has been unable to guarantee that its airtraffic control system will not fail in January 2000. This may reduce domestic flight by 40% and make it necessary to ration air travel. International travel will be worse. The Federal Reserve thinks that it will be able to continue to clear checks and other bank transactions for the country, but each individual bank or brokerage may be unable to continue to do business. Chairman Greenspan informed Senator Bennett that the Fed is printing an extra ten billion in paper money to handle the run on the banks that is expected as people convert their money into cash before Y2K. Senator Bennett told of warning one of his daughters about these problems. His daughter asked if he has spoken to the Church. He thought that was good idea, so he contacted an employee at Church headquarters responsible for worrying about these kinds of problems. That employee assured Senator Bennett that the Church has, or is, upgrading all of its computer systems to deal with the problem. Senator Bennett then asked if he could question this Church employee. The senator wanted to know how the Church is going to contact missions, temples and members around the world when the international and national phone systems won't work; how the Church is going to transfer funds around the world with the banking systems not working; how the Church will respond to members who are out of work for three months or more because the equipment at the factory or office where they are employed is malfunctioning. The Church employee had to admit that while the Church has fixed its own systems, they had never considered how they would be affected by other systems that had not been fixed. Senator Bennett was then invited to a meeting with the First Presidency, Council of the Twelve, Presiding Bishopric, etc. to brief them on the Y2K problem. Senator Bennett told the Brethren that he had been asked by someone in government when the Mormons were going to start warning their people to get ready for the year 2000. President Faust immediately responded, "We've been warning them for thirty years." A major complication of the Y2K problem is that it will be a problem world-wide. While all the problems I have described above will happen in the U.S., we will be relatively well off. Senator Bennett said only five countries in the world including the U.S. are doing anything significant to address the Y2K problem (Japan is NOT one of the five. The five are the U.S., Canada, Great Britain, Singapore and one other). This will cause huge economic upheaval in many countries. Senator Bennett was informed that the New York Stock Exchange has been refitting and testing its computers and thinks it will be able to continue trading in the year 2000. However, the Senator expects most exchanges in foreign countries to be shut down. For this reason, he cautioned us about investing in foreign stocks. It is anticipated that the economies of some countries will be devastated for decades by the Y2K problem. This anticipated turmoil around the globe will inevitably cause a deep recession, at least, in the United States. You may wonder why we don't just fix this problem before it's too late. The answer is, it isn't possible. Senator Bennett has been informed that there are 160 billion lines of computer code around the world that have the Y2K problem. For every four lines that are fixed another error in the program is created. Therefore, everything has to be fixed, tested and then re-fixed. There simply are not enough skilled people or time left to do the job. Moreover, that does not include checking all the embedded computer chips that run everything from your car's transmission to your thermostat to your elevators to your children's toys. Senator Bennett illustrated the cause of the Y2K problem with the following Allegory. A new wife was making a ham for her new husband. She cut off both ends. When the husband asked why, she replied that it makes the ham taste better. "Who told you that?"' he asked. "My mother," she replied. The husband went to his mother-in-law and asked if she cut off the ends of ham. She replied that she did. When he asked why, she replied that it made the ham taste better. When asked who had told her that, she indicated that she had learned it from her mother. The husband then went to his wife's grandmother and asked if she cut the ends off a ham before cooking it. She said she did. When he asked why, she replied that it was just habit, when she was young, the family oven was too small for a whole ham, so they cut the ends off to make it fit. When computers were first being developed, they were not powerful enough to easily process dates with a four digit year. Early programmers used a two-digit year and saved millions of dollars. The early programmers, working in the '60s assumed that their programs would be obsolete by the year 2000 and that later programmers would use four digit years. The new programmers learned from copying the old programmers, and nobody ever started using four-digit years. Anyway, that's the problem, the question is what should you do about it. Here are Senator Bennett's suggestions. (1) Check with all your banks, brokerages, and other financial institutions as to their preparedness for the year 2000. If they can't assure you that they will be able to continue to do business as usual, move your assets to a place that can. (2) Keep hard copies of your financial records and get up-to-date hard copies near the end of December 1999. (3) Have everything you need on hand for at least three months by December 1999 (food, water and fuel (January is cold)). (4) Expect a recession in 2000 and plan your finances accordingly. Keep some cash on hand. Needless to say, after listening to Senator Bennett we are very concerned and are trying to get better prepared for this-crisis. We hope this warning may help you do the same. - ------------------------------- [This was forwarded to me by a friend, and I don't know what list Chris is on] Thanks to subscriber Chris Crosby for this reference. In an article about the Y2K problem, the Richmond (Virginia) Times-Dispatch mentions a Baptist group using the LDS cannery to preserve some dried food. "It's people like these who have transformed the quiet and rather obscure Mormon cannery -- one of 88 in the country -- into a bustling enterprise, said cannery manager Susan Henshaw. "'Since July, everything has mushroomed... like a nuclear bomb,' Henshaw said. 'It is just incredible.' "She said they're happy to see the newcomers because it gives them a chance to spread the Mormon faith, which has long stressed the importance of food storage and self-sufficiency." [It appears that Mormons are starting a panic, I hope it isn't a self fulfilling prophecy] - ----------------------------- Subject: Joseph Smith the prophet Journal entry from the personal journal of Joseph Smith concerning the remarkable Leonid meteor storm of 1833 (which also happened in 1866, 1899, 1932, 1965, and last night). From _The Diaries and Journals of Joseph Smith_ edited by Scott H. Faulring. Note: written material inserted above the line in the original has been inserted into the text and enclosed in right-angled slashes (for example, /above line/ ). Current editor's correction of mis-spelled items are in [ ]. November 13th Nothing of note transpired from the 4th of Nove[m]ber u[n]til this day. In the morning at 4 Oh clock I was awoke by Brother Davis knocking at /my/ door saying "Brother Joseph come git /up/ and see the signs in the heavens." I arrose and beheld to my great Joy the stars fall from heaven. Yea they fell like hail stones. A litteral fullfillment of the word of God as recorded in the holy scriptures and a sure sign that the coming of Christ is clost [close] at hand. Oh how marvellous are thy works Oh Lord and I thank thee for thy me[r]cy u/n/to me thy servent. Oh Lord save me in thy kingdom for Christ['s] sake. Amen. November 19th /AD 1833/ From the 13th u[n]till this date nothing of note has transpired since the great sign in the heavins. This day me /h[e]art/ is somewhat sorrowfull but [I] feel to trust in the Lord the God of Jacob. I have learned in my travels that man is treche[r]ous and selfish but few excepted. (continues on to remark on some weaknesses of Sidney Rigdon, does not record anything else about the meteor storm.) [This should temper those that wish to jump to conclusions about the significance of the turn of the century, that are not justified.] - --------------------- [Now a closer look at what Bob Bennett had to say] > banking systems not working; how the Church will respond to > members who are out of work for three months or more because the > equipment at the factory or office where they are employed is > malfunctioning. The Church employee had to admit that while the > Church has fixed its own systems, they had never considered how > they would be affected by other systems that had not been fixed. [Ah haaaaa, that is why GBH said last conference to get out the debt, the Church Welfare can not handle millions of member and even more non-members out of work for 3 moths!] > Senator Bennett was then invited to a meeting with the First > Presidency, > Council of the Twelve, Presiding Bishopric, etc. to brief them on the > Y2K [Isn't this the cart before the horse? Doesn't the 1st Presidency and 12 have the ear of GOD? Shouldn't they REALLY know what Y2K problems there will be?] > problem. Senator Bennett told the Brethren that he had been asked by > someone in government when the Mormons were going to start warning > their people to get ready for the year 2000. President Faust > immediately responded, "We've been warning them for thirty years." [What! The Y2K problem is a COBOL and PC problem. Many Main frames store 4 digit dates properly. 30 years ago there were no PC's, with limited memory and hard disk space, where 2 digits to represent a year would save something. And I don't think the Leaders of the church were arguing COBOL programming standards 30 years ago. Therefore; Faust must be thinking that the world is ending in 2000? What else could they be warning us about, the short term thinking of DOS 2.1 !!!! Or Bios chips in IBM PC's ? Did anyone see a proclamation by the 1st presidency, in the "Embedded Systems Journal", for he last 30 years ? When some Mormons make crack pot remark, many Mormons get worked up, and then, when it turns out to be bogus, Members just ignore it.] > A major complication of the Y2K problem is that it will be a problem > world-wide. While all the problems I have described above will happen > in the U.S., we will be relatively well off. Senator Bennett said only > five countries in the world including the U.S. are doing anything > significant to address the Y2K problem (Japan is NOT one of the five. [This IS a serious problem.] > trading in the year 2000. However, the Senator expects most > exchanges in foreign countries to be shut down. For this reason, [So is the church pulling out of all of it's foreign stocks? In which stocks does the church keep the lords money anyway?] > he cautioned us about investing in foreign stocks. It is anticipated > that the economies of some countries will be devastated for decades > by the Y2K problem. This anticipated turmoil around the globe will > inevitably cause a deep recession, at least, in the United States. > You may wonder why we don't just fix this problem before it's too late. [We can not fix other countries problems. Well actually we could. All male programers, and software managers, could be called on a 6 month to 12 month mission to SAVE THE WORLD FROM Y2K. They could go out in Jan of 1999 and be home before Xmas having at least informed and consulted all major banks and businesses world wide about the evils of Y2K. Not that might create major chaos at home in Utah with all of them leaving work for 6 months to a year, but hardly unlike what was done by their GGGrand fathers. And if they saved the world, it could do more PR than all the public Service Announcements and Free books and warm fuzzy video's could possibly do.] > The answer is, it isn't possible. Senator Bennett has been informed > that there are 160 billion lines of computer code around the world > that have the Y2K problem. For every four lines that are fixed another > error in the program is created. Therefore, everything has to be fixed, [Oh MY Goodness! How could we ever get anything done, if we created a bug for every 4 lines of code. In software testing the term we use is bugs per kloc or bugs for Thousand Lines of Code. If you have 5 or more KLOC, you have bad programmers. Now imagine how stupid they would have to be to have 250 mistakes for every 1000 lines of code. With an average of 1 mistake in every 4 lines or 250 mistakes in a thousand, how do we ever get computers to work at all!!! Apparently Bob Bennett doesn't know much about computers.] I know someone that worked on a project where we had 1,600 programs to check for Y2K bugs, 35 programs has had at least one problem. Of the 35 only one or two had a problem in more than one place in the same program. The largest program was 4,200 lines long. So they did lots of work, and came up with only a handful of programs that had any problem. It only took a few weeks to change them. Of the 35 changed programs only one had needed fixing twice. In the process there were other programs, not Y2K related in which bugs were found and fixed. His company is not typical of other software houses because they do not use COBOL, but they use the OS that the church office Building USED to use, before they went into a more expensive direction. Note that Australia uses this type of OS/database in many many companies, therefore watch for them to NOT have Y2K problems like other countries.] > tested and then re-fixed. There simply are not enough skilled people > or time left to do the job. Moreover, that does not include checking > all the embedded computer chips that run everything from your > car's transmission to your thermostat to your elevators to your > children's toys. [When they started the project over a year ago, the deadline to have everything done and installed was July 1st 1998, now it is July 1999. So even though they started early, they got behind. There are too many lines of code and not enough programmers and not enough time for other companies to fix, test and implement all the fixes. Yes Y2K will be a problem, but if your kids toy fails to work, obviously you are not a 3rd world Mormon.] > When computers were first being developed, they were not powerful > enough to easily process dates with a four digit year. Early > programmers used a two-digit year and saved millions of dollars. [The extra 2 digits for a 4 digit year, it take up precious memory in Ram and Hard disk for a personal PC. Which was a glorified typewriter and calculator, not a replacement for a mainframe computer. As the cost of memory and hard disk space was no longer an issue, then is when the 4 digit year should have been addressed. Businesses choose to us a personal computer as a business computer and they bent over to save millions for a few years, while down the road, it will cost them Billions for those savings in previous decades. Typical current quarter bottom line mentality, without long term analysis.] > The early programmers, working in the '60s assumed that their > programs would be obsolete by the year 2000 and that later > programmers would use four digit years. The new programmers > learned from copying the old programmers, and nobody ever > started using four-digit years. Anyway, that's the problem, the > question is what should you do about it. [More precisely they didn't stop to think, even though 1999 is less then 2000, that mathematically 99 is more than 00.] > Here are Senator Bennett's suggestions. > (1) Check with all your banks, brokerages, and other financial > institutions as to their preparedness for the year 2000. If they can't > assure you that they will be able to continue to do business as usual, > move your assets to a place that can. [Come on Bob, you LIVE in DC, what Bank is going to tell you the they are NOT Y2K compliant or that they don't plan to be? Are they going to tell you they PLAN to be out of business before 2000 ? Try getting it in writing, that if you don't have access to your money or if they debit you with mistaken late fees, that you will richly compensated for it. Or if your Credit card get's wrongly rejected that they will compensate you for the trouble. Come on Bob you were once a lawyer.] > (2) Keep hard copies of your financial records and get > up-to-date hard copies near the end of December 1999. [When these businesses are going to be their busiest, Bob is going to create more work for them, out of paranoia. A self fulfilling prophecy.] > (3) Have everything you need on hand for at least three months > by December 1999 (food, water and fuel (January is cold)). [It's a TWO years supply, Bob, don't you know how to create hoarding or a panic! :) Now how can I store 3 months of natural Gas ? And if I do, but it is NOT needed, then what do I do with the Gas and storage tanks? What do I do for hot water if it takes 6 months to work things out? Convert my environmentally friendly gas fireplace to a wood stove?] > (4) Expect a recession in 2000 and plan your finances > accordingly. Keep some cash on hand. [Create an artificial run on the banks. Now who is going to make money on this? Not me for sure.] > Needless to say, after listening to Senator Bennett we are very > concerned and are trying to get better prepared for this-crisis. > We hope this warning may help you do the same. [And though a little preparation, like a month of food may be good, much other than that, will cause problems of their own. During the Great Depression, some people lost everything, and a few ended up with all that the other people lost. I hope we are not contributors to a situation where greedy and powerful people can use panic to become even more wealthy and powerful.] Perry http://pobox.com/~plporter - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:42:00 -0700 From: "Perry L. Porter" Subject: ---> Possible end of the world, (Y2K) - ------------------ Senator Bob Bennett (Utah) chairs the U.S. Senate's Y2K Committee. Enclosed also are comments regarding a meeting he had with the 1st Presidency. -----Original Message----- I thought people might be interested in what Senator Bennett said about the year 2,000 computer problem. He spoke at a McLean Stake Fireside in October. The follow are notes taken at the fireside: Notes taken by Steve Nichols, a member of the Arlington Ward, McLean, Virginia Stake in October 1998. On Sunday, our stake had a family preparedness fireside on the year 2000 (Y2K). The speaker was Senator Bennett of Utah who is the chairman of the Senate Committee on Y2K. I went to the fireside thinking that it would be interesting, but also thinking that Y2K was not a big deal. Senator Bennett convinced me otherwise. The Y2K problem will be an unbelievably widespread problem that we each need to start preparing for right now. Anything that is controlled by a computer or a computer chip may malfunction in dangerous and unpredictable ways at the beginning of the year 2000. Unfortunately, everything is controlled by a computer these days. To illustrate the problem, Senator Bennett told the following stories: To test a water treatment plant, the plant management rolled the clocks ahead to 2000 to see how the computer systems of the plant would react. The computer responded by immediately dumping all the chemicals it had into the water supply instead of slowing dispensing the chemicals as it was supposed to do. The water was then poison and unusable. At a General Motors factory, the management also rolled the clocks ahead to see what would happen. The result was that none of the robots on the assembly line would work. The factory was useless. Moreover, when the inspectors tried to leave, the security system refused to let them out of the building. Elevators have to be inspected regularly by law. When the year 2000 hits, elevators may think they have not been inspected for 99 years. When an inspection is missed, most elevators are programmed to go immediately to the basement and close their doors until the inspector comes. Don't get in an elevator New Year's Eve 1999. In January 2000, Senator Bennett does not think that the national power grid will fail, but thinks that some areas will inevitably experience extended brown and black-cuts. Supplies of natural gas and telephone communications could also be interrupted. Long distance telephone communications will almost certainly be interrupted. The FAA has been unable to guarantee that its airtraffic control system will not fail in January 2000. This may reduce domestic flight by 40% and make it necessary to ration air travel. International travel will be worse. The Federal Reserve thinks that it will be able to continue to clear checks and other bank transactions for the country, but each individual bank or brokerage may be unable to continue to do business. Chairman Greenspan informed Senator Bennett that the Fed is printing an extra ten billion in paper money to handle the run on the banks that is expected as people convert their money into cash before Y2K. Senator Bennett told of warning one of his daughters about these problems. His daughter asked if he has spoken to the Church. He thought that was good idea, so he contacted an employee at Church headquarters responsible for worrying about these kinds of problems. That employee assured Senator Bennett that the Church has, or is, upgrading all of its computer systems to deal with the problem. Senator Bennett then asked if he could question this Church employee. The senator wanted to know how the Church is going to contact missions, temples and members around the world when the international and national phone systems won't work; how the Church is going to transfer funds around the world with the banking systems not working; how the Church will respond to members who are out of work for three months or more because the equipment at the factory or office where they are employed is malfunctioning. The Church employee had to admit that while the Church has fixed its own systems, they had never considered how they would be affected by other systems that had not been fixed. Senator Bennett was then invited to a meeting with the First Presidency, Council of the Twelve, Presiding Bishopric, etc. to brief them on the Y2K problem. Senator Bennett told the Brethren that he had been asked by someone in government when the Mormons were going to start warning their people to get ready for the year 2000. President Faust immediately responded, "We've been warning them for thirty years." A major complication of the Y2K problem is that it will be a problem world-wide. While all the problems I have described above will happen in the U.S., we will be relatively well off. Senator Bennett said only five countries in the world including the U.S. are doing anything significant to address the Y2K problem (Japan is NOT one of the five. The five are the U.S., Canada, Great Britain, Singapore and one other). This will cause huge economic upheaval in many countries. Senator Bennett was informed that the New York Stock Exchange has been refitting and testing its computers and thinks it will be able to continue trading in the year 2000. However, the Senator expects most exchanges in foreign countries to be shut down. For this reason, he cautioned us about investing in foreign stocks. It is anticipated that the economies of some countries will be devastated for decades by the Y2K problem. This anticipated turmoil around the globe will inevitably cause a deep recession, at least, in the United States. You may wonder why we don't just fix this problem before it's too late. The answer is, it isn't possible. Senator Bennett has been informed that there are 160 billion lines of computer code around the world that have the Y2K problem. For every four lines that are fixed another error in the program is created. Therefore, everything has to be fixed, tested and then re-fixed. There simply are not enough skilled people or time left to do the job. Moreover, that does not include checking all the embedded computer chips that run everything from your car's transmission to your thermostat to your elevators to your children's toys. Senator Bennett illustrated the cause of the Y2K problem with the following Allegory. A new wife was making a ham for her new husband. She cut off both ends. When the husband asked why, she replied that it makes the ham taste better. "Who told you that?"' he asked. "My mother," she replied. The husband went to his mother-in-law and asked if she cut off the ends of ham. She replied that she did. When he asked why, she replied that it made the ham taste better. When asked who had told her that, she indicated that she had learned it from her mother. The husband then went to his wife's grandmother and asked if she cut the ends off a ham before cooking it. She said she did. When he asked why, she replied that it was just habit, when she was young, the family oven was too small for a whole ham, so they cut the ends off to make it fit. When computers were first being developed, they were not powerful enough to easily process dates with a four digit year. Early programmers used a two-digit year and saved millions of dollars. The early programmers, working in the '60s assumed that their programs would be obsolete by the year 2000 and that later programmers would use four digit years. The new programmers learned from copying the old programmers, and nobody ever started using four-digit years. Anyway, that's the problem, the question is what should you do about it. Here are Senator Bennett's suggestions. (1) Check with all your banks, brokerages, and other financial institutions as to their preparedness for the year 2000. If they can't assure you that they will be able to continue to do business as usual, move your assets to a place that can. (2) Keep hard copies of your financial records and get up-to-date hard copies near the end of December 1999. (3) Have everything you need on hand for at least three months by December 1999 (food, water and fuel (January is cold)). (4) Expect a recession in 2000 and plan your finances accordingly. Keep some cash on hand. Needless to say, after listening to Senator Bennett we are very concerned and are trying to get better prepared for this-crisis. We hope this warning may help you do the same. - ------------------------------- [This was forwarded to me by a friend, and I don't know what list Chris is on] Thanks to subscriber Chris Crosby for this reference. In an article about the Y2K problem, the Richmond (Virginia) Times-Dispatch mentions a Baptist group using the LDS cannery to preserve some dried food. "It's people like these who have transformed the quiet and rather obscure Mormon cannery -- one of 88 in the country -- into a bustling enterprise, said cannery manager Susan Henshaw. "'Since July, everything has mushroomed... like a nuclear bomb,' Henshaw said. 'It is just incredible.' "She said they're happy to see the newcomers because it gives them a chance to spread the Mormon faith, which has long stressed the importance of food storage and self-sufficiency." [It appears that Mormons are starting a panic, I hope it isn't a self fulfilling prophecy] - ----------------------------- Subject: Joseph Smith the prophet Journal entry from the personal journal of Joseph Smith concerning the remarkable Leonid meteor storm of 1833 (which also happened in 1866, 1899, 1932, 1965, and last night). From _The Diaries and Journals of Joseph Smith_ edited by Scott H. Faulring. Note: written material inserted above the line in the original has been inserted into the text and enclosed in right-angled slashes (for example, /above line/ ). Current editor's correction of mis-spelled items are in [ ]. November 13th Nothing of note transpired from the 4th of Nove[m]ber u[n]til this day. In the morning at 4 Oh clock I was awoke by Brother Davis knocking at /my/ door saying "Brother Joseph come git /up/ and see the signs in the heavens." I arrose and beheld to my great Joy the stars fall from heaven. Yea they fell like hail stones. A litteral fullfillment of the word of God as recorded in the holy scriptures and a sure sign that the coming of Christ is clost [close] at hand. Oh how marvellous are thy works Oh Lord and I thank thee for thy me[r]cy u/n/to me thy servent. Oh Lord save me in thy kingdom for Christ['s] sake. Amen. November 19th /AD 1833/ From the 13th u[n]till this date nothing of note has transpired since the great sign in the heavins. This day me /h[e]art/ is somewhat sorrowfull but [I] feel to trust in the Lord the God of Jacob. I have learned in my travels that man is treche[r]ous and selfish but few excepted. (continues on to remark on some weaknesses of Sidney Rigdon, does not record anything else about the meteor storm.) [This should temper those that wish to jump to conclusions about the significance of the turn of the century, that are not justified.] - --------------------- [Now a closer look at what Bob Bennett had to say] > banking systems not working; how the Church will respond to > members who are out of work for three months or more because the > equipment at the factory or office where they are employed is > malfunctioning. The Church employee had to admit that while the > Church has fixed its own systems, they had never considered how > they would be affected by other systems that had not been fixed. [Ah haaaaa, that is why GBH said last conference to get out the debt, the Church Welfare can not handle millions of member and even more non-members out of work for 3 moths!] > Senator Bennett was then invited to a meeting with the First > Presidency, > Council of the Twelve, Presiding Bishopric, etc. to brief them on the > Y2K [Isn't this the cart before the horse? Doesn't the 1st Presidency and 12 have the ear of GOD? Shouldn't they REALLY know what Y2K problems there will be?] > problem. Senator Bennett told the Brethren that he had been asked by > someone in government when the Mormons were going to start warning > their people to get ready for the year 2000. President Faust > immediately responded, "We've been warning them for thirty years." [What! The Y2K problem is a COBOL and PC problem. Many Main frames store 4 digit dates properly. 30 years ago there were no PC's, with limited memory and hard disk space, where 2 digits to represent a year would save something. And I don't think the Leaders of the church were arguing COBOL programming standards 30 years ago. Therefore; Faust must be thinking that the world is ending in 2000? What else could they be warning us about, the short term thinking of DOS 2.1 !!!! Or Bios chips in IBM PC's ? Did anyone see a proclamation by the 1st presidency, in the "Embedded Systems Journal", for he last 30 years ? When some Mormons make crack pot remark, many Mormons get worked up, and then, when it turns out to be bogus, Members just ignore it.] > A major complication of the Y2K problem is that it will be a problem > world-wide. While all the problems I have described above will happen > in the U.S., we will be relatively well off. Senator Bennett said only > five countries in the world including the U.S. are doing anything > significant to address the Y2K problem (Japan is NOT one of the five. [This IS a serious problem.] > trading in the year 2000. However, the Senator expects most > exchanges in foreign countries to be shut down. For this reason, [So is the church pulling out of all of it's foreign stocks? In which stocks does the church keep the lords money anyway?] > he cautioned us about investing in foreign stocks. It is anticipated > that the economies of some countries will be devastated for decades > by the Y2K problem. This anticipated turmoil around the globe will > inevitably cause a deep recession, at least, in the United States. > You may wonder why we don't just fix this problem before it's too late. [We can not fix other countries problems. Well actually we could. All male programers, and software managers, could be called on a 6 month to 12 month mission to SAVE THE WORLD FROM Y2K. They could go out in Jan of 1999 and be home before Xmas having at least informed and consulted all major banks and businesses world wide about the evils of Y2K. Not that might create major chaos at home in Utah with all of them leaving work for 6 months to a year, but hardly unlike what was done by their GGGrand fathers. And if they saved the world, it could do more PR than all the public Service Announcements and Free books and warm fuzzy video's could possibly do.] > The answer is, it isn't possible. Senator Bennett has been informed > that there are 160 billion lines of computer code around the world > that have the Y2K problem. For every four lines that are fixed another > error in the program is created. Therefore, everything has to be fixed, [Oh MY Goodness! How could we ever get anything done, if we created a bug for every 4 lines of code. In software testing the term we use is bugs per kloc or bugs for Thousand Lines of Code. If you have 5 or more KLOC, you have bad programmers. Now imagine how stupid they would have to be to have 250 mistakes for every 1000 lines of code. With an average of 1 mistake in every 4 lines or 250 mistakes in a thousand, how do we ever get computers to work at all!!! Apparently Bob Bennett doesn't know much about computers.] I know someone that worked on a project where we had 1,600 programs to check for Y2K bugs, 35 programs has had at least one problem. Of the 35 only one or two had a problem in more than one place in the same program. The largest program was 4,200 lines long. So they did lots of work, and came up with only a handful of programs that had any problem. It only took a few weeks to change them. Of the 35 changed programs only one had needed fixing twice. In the process there were other programs, not Y2K related in which bugs were found and fixed. His company is not typical of other software houses because they do not use COBOL, but they use the OS that the church office Building USED to use, before they went into a more expensive direction. Note that Australia uses this type of OS/database in many many companies, therefore watch for them to NOT have Y2K problems like other countries.] > tested and then re-fixed. There simply are not enough skilled people > or time left to do the job. Moreover, that does not include checking > all the embedded computer chips that run everything from your > car's transmission to your thermostat to your elevators to your > children's toys. [When they started the project over a year ago, the deadline to have everything done and installed was July 1st 1998, now it is July 1999. So even though they started early, they got behind. There are too many lines of code and not enough programmers and not enough time for other companies to fix, test and implement all the fixes. Yes Y2K will be a problem, but if your kids toy fails to work, obviously you are not a 3rd world Mormon.] > When computers were first being developed, they were not powerful > enough to easily process dates with a four digit year. Early > programmers used a two-digit year and saved millions of dollars. [The extra 2 digits for a 4 digit year, it take up precious memory in Ram and Hard disk for a personal PC. Which was a glorified typewriter and calculator, not a replacement for a mainframe computer. As the cost of memory and hard disk space was no longer an issue, then is when the 4 digit year should have been addressed. Businesses choose to us a personal computer as a business computer and they bent over to save millions for a few years, while down the road, it will cost them Billions for those savings in previous decades. Typical current quarter bottom line mentality, without long term analysis.] > The early programmers, working in the '60s assumed that their > programs would be obsolete by the year 2000 and that later > programmers would use four digit years. The new programmers > learned from copying the old programmers, and nobody ever > started using four-digit years. Anyway, that's the problem, the > question is what should you do about it. [More precisely they didn't stop to think, even though 1999 is less then 2000, that mathematically 99 is more than 00.] > Here are Senator Bennett's suggestions. > (1) Check with all your banks, brokerages, and other financial > institutions as to their preparedness for the year 2000. If they can't > assure you that they will be able to continue to do business as usual, > move your assets to a place that can. [Come on Bob, you LIVE in DC, what Bank is going to tell you the they are NOT Y2K compliant or that they don't plan to be? Are they going to tell you they PLAN to be out of business before 2000 ? Try getting it in writing, that if you don't have access to your money or if they debit you with mistaken late fees, that you will richly compensated for it. Or if your Credit card get's wrongly rejected that they will compensate you for the trouble. Come on Bob you were once a lawyer.] > (2) Keep hard copies of your financial records and get > up-to-date hard copies near the end of December 1999. [When these businesses are going to be their busiest, Bob is going to create more work for them, out of paranoia. A self fulfilling prophecy.] > (3) Have everything you need on hand for at least three months > by December 1999 (food, water and fuel (January is cold)). [It's a TWO years supply, Bob, don't you know how to create hoarding or a panic! :) Now how can I store 3 months of natural Gas ? And if I do, but it is NOT needed, then what do I do with the Gas and storage tanks? What do I do for hot water if it takes 6 months to work things out? Convert my environmentally friendly gas fireplace to a wood stove?] > (4) Expect a recession in 2000 and plan your finances > accordingly. Keep some cash on hand. [Create an artificial run on the banks. Now who is going to make money on this? Not me for sure.] > Needless to say, after listening to Senator Bennett we are very > concerned and are trying to get better prepared for this-crisis. > We hope this warning may help you do the same. [And though a little preparation, like a month of food may be good, much other than that, will cause problems of their own. During the Great Depression, some people lost everything, and a few ended up with all that the other people lost. I hope we are not contributors to a situation where greedy and powerful people can use panic to become even more wealthy and powerful.] Perry http://pobox.com/~plporter - - ------------------------------ End of gdm-digest V2 #13 ************************