From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: buffalo recipes Date: 01 Apr 2002 10:16:21 EST --part1_23.1bdbe23b.29d9d3c5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wynn How does this coming week end sound? We might not be eating quit as well but Ken's got a spot for a camp that's got a lot of Beaver sign. Now Beaver ain't as fine a meat as Buff but it will keep your grub bag from a rubbin on your back bone. Come this time of year, it was regular fair for those boys who lived back then and ain't bad doins. The Camas won't be ready tell June but the Indian potato is up and we should be able to find enough to fill in with the beaver if your up for it. Crazy --part1_23.1bdbe23b.29d9d3c5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wynn

How does this coming week end sound? We might not be eating quit as well but Ken's got a spot for a camp that's got a lot of Beaver sign. Now Beaver ain't as fine a meat as Buff but it will keep your grub bag from a rubbin on your back bone. Come this time of year, it was regular fair for those boys who lived back then and ain't bad doins. The Camas won't be ready tell June but the Indian potato is up and we should be able to find enough to fill in with the beaver if your up for it.
Crazy --part1_23.1bdbe23b.29d9d3c5_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: traps Date: 31 Mar 2002 22:14:51 EST In a message dated 3/31/02 12:56:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, frankf@cox-internet.com writes: << What, on a trap, wears out? What should one look for? >> Frank, If old and rusty check the dogs to make sure they will hold the pan. Make sure it is not so rusted that adjusting and tuning the trap will break the trap. Also, springs wear out. Easily fixed on coil spring traps by replacing. On longspring varieties you can put some life back into springs by placing them over a horizontal metal pipe that is secured firmly to a workbench, etc. It needs to have a diameter slightly larger than the curve of the spring. Place spring over it and pound with shop hammer till curve in spring conforms to curvature of pipe (thanks to Traprjon for that tip!!!). Does it have an intact trap chain with a good swivel? Does it have double stake attachment? Are the jaws aligned properly? Is it the right size for the game you are after? By the by, Frank, most furbearers in the south (you are south aren't you?) are now raising young (before all you superb biologists jump in let me say this is based on observation this season and talking with DNR personnel). While it may still be "in season" for a critter, a trapper must be ethical in his harvest and think of the ability of the young to live independently. After all, it is a resource we must actively and thoughtfully manage. Anyhow, hit some farm sales and auctions and see what you come up with. What are you after anyhow? Beaver? Coon? Otter? Bobcat? Fox? Minks? Happy trapping! -C.Kent PS-If you join your state trapper's assn. it often includes a subscription of Trapper and Predator which lists used traps for sale. The dues are usually not so high at all!!! ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gretchen H. Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: water containers and compasses Date: 31 Mar 2002 19:46:42 -0700 Angela Gottfred wrote: > >>Aboriginal people get along just fine without them just by familiarity > and observation.<< > > Or, to quote Gracie Heavyhands, "People who need to use a compass to > find north shouldn't be let out of the house." > I hear you Ms Gottfred and how true it is. But I get restless staying indoors all the time. You know I really hate that feeling of seeing the sun rise in the damn west; sorta ruins my whole morning. Wynn Ormond ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ALAN AVERY Subject: Re: MtMan-List: water containers and compasses Date: 31 Mar 2002 14:54:08 -0800 "...Arugh! Before you know it you boys are going to be talking about shooting Azimuth's and such..." Not me Lass! I sat in on one of Jeff's seminars a few years back. Made my brain hurt! Black Knife aka Bigfoot ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newbill" Subject: MtMan-List: April/May Event for the Pacific Northwest (that I know of) Date: 31 Mar 2002 13:44:27 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C1D8BA.2CFD9EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Halloo Da Camp. =20 Here's an updated list for April and May 2002 (WA, OR, ID, MT, WY) of = the Events that I know about. If y'all see any wrong or missing events, = please give me a holler. Regards Lee Newbill of North Idaho AMM# 1821 http://users.potlatch.com/bluethistle http://www.mountaintoptradingco.com/ April Apr. 5-7 Heyyawanna Spring Rendezvous Goldendale WA Guy Stanley (509) 384-5131 or mail at P. O. Box 45, Roosevelt, WA 99356=20 April 6, 2002 HOO DOO MOUNTAIN HAMMER IN At Pawnee's Place, Spirit Lake, ID=20 POC: Pawnee (208) 437-1144=20 Apr. 6-7 Yakima Valley Muzzleloaders Musket Match Yakima, WA Terry Savage (509) 965- 0079 or Wayne Worgum (509) 966-67673 April 12-14 Eureka, Washington (near) Plucker Meadow Military/Mountain Man Encampment & Rendezvous For more info, email Steve Plucker at pif@bmi.net April,14, 2002 Lolo Trail Muzzleloaders SPRING FLING 2990 Rudo Rd, Orofino, ID=20 POC: Booshway-Breezy Odgen (208) 464-2240 or Preacher (208) 464-2156 or = Stone Woman (208) 476 4321 ecwilson@clearwater.net ( Please call in the = Evenings) Apr. 12-14 OR State Championships, Tri County BP Club, Sherwood OR=20 Roger (503) 625-6864=20 April 13 WSMA Annual Program Support Dinner Tacoma Sportsmen=92s Club Puyallup, WA=20 Dennis Perry (253) 843-2763=20 Apr. 19-21 WSMA Shotgun Championships Evergreen Sportsmen=92s Club, Littlerock,WA Pete Strobl (360) 352-1800 April,19,20.21, 2002 Sagebrush Rendezvous Benton City, Washington=20 POC: Booshway- Talkingcrow (541)276-1122 ( phil@csepp.net ) or Segundo- = Lee McKewen (509) 735-9135 ( flmckewen@aol.com ) Apr. 26-28 Tobacco River Muzzleloaders Rendezvous Eureka, MT Larry (406) 889-3445 or Stan (406) 296-2489 April,26,27,28, 2002 25TH Annual WENAHA RONDEZVOUS Troy, Or=20 POC: Booshway- BULL (541)-963-9198 or Segundo- Kentucky Wildcat = (541)-482-4018=20 April,26,27,28, 2002 Skagit Muzzleloaders Rondezvous Sedro Wooley, Wa=20 POC: Booshway- Twisted Brass- (360)-293-9782 or Segundo- = Barkbitter-(425)670-1712=20 ------- May May 3-5 Oregon Gunmaker=92s Fair 1370 Linn Road, Eagle Point, Oregon=20 Ron Scott (541) 826-9282 May 3,4,5 2002 Olalla Long Rifles Mt. Man Rendezvous Poulsbo Sportsmen=92s Club, Poulsbo, Wa POC: Booshway-Bill Daly (360) 876-0731 or Segundo- Jerry Denney (360) = 876-038=20 May 3-5 Grizzly Mt Spring Rendezvous Prineville OR Carol Harden (541) 546-2205 May 11-12 Fort Vancouver U.S. Military Reservation Living History Weekend Vancouver, Washington Call John Burpee at 1-800-832-3599, extension 15 May 17-19 Snohomish Valley Muzzleloaders Rendezvous Marysville, WA Ron Biggerstaff (360) 668-6731 May 17,18,19, 2002 Powell Valley Long Rifles Spring Rendezvous Gresham, Or POC: Booshway-Ron & Cindy Biggerstaff (360) 668-6731=20 May 17,18,19,20, 2002 Chumstik @ Smokey Point Rendezvous Marysville, WA POC: Booshway-Dale Nelson (503) 788-1141 dnelson@gowebway.com or = Segundo- Jim Brogan (503) 693-6028=20 May 24,25,26,27 2002 Paul Bunyan Plainsmen Memorial Day Rendezvous Puyallup, WA POC: Mark Curtis (253)848-9252 or Dan Smith (253) 535-4027=20 May 24-27 Shoshone Basin Rendezvous Southern Idaho Muzzleloaders Association S of Twin Falls Judy Harris (208) 543-4714 or email jomeg@filertel.com=20 May 24,25,26,27 2002 Flying M Rendezvous Yamhill, OR POC: Booshway- Don Donovan (360) 693-0628 or Segundo- Jack "Smudge" = Romanchock (360) 260-1684=20 May 25-27 Hells Canyon Muzzleloaders Rendezvous Winchester ID Dutch Kuykendall 208-758-2030 and Gary Robinson 208-743-9662, or email = the secretary at mpresnell@lewiston.com. May 24-27 20th Annual Wild Horse Rendezvous Missoula MT Matt (406) 626-4081 or Alan (406) 626-5994 May 24-27 Marauder=92s Memorial Rendezvous Seneca, OR (541) 416-2713 May 31-Jun 3=20 Tall Grass Rendezvous Vernonia ML, Vernonia OR Wally Vaughn (503) 429-3945 ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C1D8BA.2CFD9EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Halloo Da Camp. 
 
Here's an updated list for April and May 2002 = (WA, OR, ID,=20 MT, WY) of the Events that I know about.  If y'all see any wrong or = missing=20 events, please give me a holler.
 
Regards
 
Lee Newbill of North = Idaho
AMM#=20 1821
http://users.potlatch.com/bluethistle
http://www.mountaintoptradingco.com/

April

Apr. = 5-7
Heyyawanna Spring=20 Rendezvous
Goldendale WA
Guy Stanley (509) 384-5131 or mail at P. = O. Box=20 45, Roosevelt, WA 99356

April 6, 2002
HOO DOO=20 MOUNTAIN HAMMER IN
At Pawnee's = Place,=20 Spirit Lake, ID
POC: Pawnee (208) 437-1144

Apr. 6-7
Yakima = Valley=20 Muzzleloaders Musket Match
Yakima, WA
Terry Savage (509) 965- 0079 = or=20 Wayne Worgum (509) 966-67673

April = 12-14
Eureka,=20 Washington (near)
Plucker Meadow Military/Mountain Man Encampment = &=20 Rendezvous
For more info, = email Steve=20 Plucker at pif@bmi.net

April,14, 2002
Lolo=20 Trail Muzzleloaders SPRING FLING
2990 Rudo=20 Rd, Orofino, ID
POC: Booshway-Breezy Odgen (208) 464-2240 or = Preacher (208)=20 464-2156 or Stone Woman (208) 476 4321 ecwilson@clearwater.net (=20 Please call in the Evenings)

Apr. 12-14
OR State = Championships, Tri County=20 BP
Club, Sherwood OR
Roger (503) 625-6864

April 13
WSMA = Annual Program=20 Support Dinner
Tacoma Sportsmen=92s Club Puyallup, WA
Dennis = Perry (253)=20 843-2763

Apr. 19-21
WSMA = Shotgun=20 Championships
Evergreen Sportsmen=92s Club, Littlerock,WA
Pete = Strobl (360)=20 352-1800

April,19,20.21, 2002
Sagebrush=20 Rendezvous
Benton City, = Washington=20
POC: Booshway- Talkingcrow (541)276-1122 ( phil@csepp.net ) or = Segundo- Lee=20 McKewen (509) 735-9135 ( flmckewen@aol.com=20 )

Apr. 26-28
Tobacco River = Muzzleloaders=20 Rendezvous
Eureka, MT
Larry (406) 889-3445 or Stan (406)=20 296-2489

April,26,27,28, 2002
25TH Annual=20 WENAHA RONDEZVOUS
Troy, Or =
POC:=20 Booshway- BULL (541)-963-9198 or Segundo- Kentucky Wildcat = (541)-482-4018=20

April,26,27,28, 2002
Skagit=20 Muzzleloaders Rondezvous
Sedro = Wooley, Wa=20
POC: Booshway- Twisted Brass- (360)-293-9782 or Segundo-=20 Barkbitter-(425)670-1712

May

May 3-5
Oregon = Gunmaker=92s=20 Fair
1370 Linn Road, Eagle Point, Oregon
Ron Scott (541)=20 826-9282

May 3,4,5 2002
Olalla Long=20 Rifles Mt. Man Rendezvous
Poulsbo=20 Sportsmen=92s Club, Poulsbo, Wa
POC: Booshway-Bill Daly (360) = 876-0731 or=20 Segundo- Jerry Denney (360) 876-038

May 3-5
Grizzly Mt Spring=20 Rendezvous
Prineville OR
Carol Harden (541) = 546-2205

May 11-12
Fort Vancouver U.S. = Military=20 Reservation Living History Weekend
Vancouver, Washington
Call John = Burpee=20 at 1-800-832-3599, extension 15

May 17-19
Snohomish Valley = Muzzleloaders=20 Rendezvous
Marysville, WA
Ron Biggerstaff (360) = 668-6731

May 17,18,19, 2002
Powell=20 Valley Long Rifles Spring Rendezvous
Gresham, Or
POC: Booshway-Ron & Cindy Biggerstaff (360) = 668-6731=20

May 17,18,19,20, 2002
Chumstik @=20 Smokey Point Rendezvous
Marysville,=20 WA
POC: Booshway-Dale Nelson (503) 788-1141 dnelson@gowebway.com or = Segundo- Jim=20 Brogan (503) 693-6028

May 24,25,26,27 2002
Paul=20 Bunyan Plainsmen Memorial Day Rendezvous
Puyallup, WA
POC: Mark Curtis (253)848-9252 or Dan Smith = (253)=20 535-4027

May 24-27
Shoshone Basin Rendezvous
Southern=20 Idaho Muzzleloaders Association
S of Twin Falls
Judy Harris (208) = 543-4714=20 or email jomeg@filertel.com =

May 24,25,26,27 2002
Flying M=20 Rendezvous
Yamhill, OR
POC: = Booshway-=20 Don Donovan (360) 693-0628 or Segundo- Jack "Smudge" Romanchock (360) = 260-1684=20

May 25-27
Hells = Canyon=20 Muzzleloaders Rendezvous
Winchester ID
Dutch Kuykendall = 208-758-2030 and=20 Gary Robinson 208-743-9662, or email the secretary at mpresnell@lewiston.com.

May 24-27
20th = Annual Wild=20 Horse Rendezvous
Missoula MT
Matt (406) 626-4081 or Alan (406)=20 626-5994

May = 24-27
Marauder=92s Memorial=20 Rendezvous
Seneca, OR
(541) 416-2713

May 31-Jun 3 =
Tall Grass=20 Rendezvous
Vernonia ML, Vernonia OR
Wally Vaughn (503)=20 429-3945

------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C1D8BA.2CFD9EE0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Glover Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Liver-eatin johnston Date: 30 Mar 2002 19:30:32 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_1018.1f3f.63fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So are you going to tell us more? On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:29:17 -0800 "Dorman Nelson" writes: Howdy, just happened along here..... I am just winding down 9 years of research into John Liver-eating Johnston...I will tell you that Johnson and Johnston was used throughout his life even in his pension requests land holdings and cival war documents.... As of now I can say that his real name was not johnston or johnson. Best regards, dorman "Teton" Todd D. Glover #1784 http://poisonriverparty.homestead.com ----__JNP_000_1018.1f3f.63fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So are you going to tell us more?
 
On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:29:17 -0800 "Dorman Nelson" <dorman.nelson@worldnet.att.= net>=20 writes:
Howdy, just happened along here.....
 
I am just winding down 9 years of = research into=20 John Liver-eating Johnston...I will tell you that Johnson and Johnston = was=20 used throughout his life even in his pension requests land holdings and = cival=20 war documents....
 
As of now I can say that his real name = was not=20 johnston or johnson.
 
Best regards,
 
dorman
 

"Teton" Todd D. Glover=20 #1784
http://poisonriverparty.homestead.com
----__JNP_000_1018.1f3f.63fd-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Berthiaume, Steve" Subject: MtMan-List: powderhorns Date: 02 Apr 2002 08:13:58 -0500 I'm just starting to get into muzzleloading, and would like to build my = own accoutrments, starting with a powderhorn. Could someone direct me = to some good resources that may have tips on how to accomplish this? = Thanks. regards,=20 SteveB ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "WindWalker" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: From: Date: 01 Apr 2002 23:33:09 -0500 Trying to catch up on emaill I wanted to trap the upper MO, much like they did in ole days... All via Canoe... and hopefully in game season... Had some plans to do it but other guy cancelled last year. Been getting any blue furs over yer way due to warm weather?? Trapping Beaver under Ice can be a pain, alway have to keep the take out open... I do well on scent sticks.. using castor... But I make sure its deep enough fr drowning.. We may again longline this coming fall winter.. although we would not do from state to state again...I detest driving around.... We have done fair on Yellowstone river, close to Gardner at one time.... As well as Sheridan WY.. Done real good up north in Canada, but laws have changed so there.. Still have my ole packbasket Sam Windwalker *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 3/30/02 at 11:58 PM beaverboy@sofast.net wrote: >> Thanks >> Found Marbles... lord them knives have some powerful memory's >> Ordering couple lapel compasses..... >> Yep always use big traps on beaver... Although the connibears >> do excellent for pole sets...Just never get eyr hand caught in one.. >> another item I have is the ole Duluth Canoe Pack with trumpline.. >> they still make them...for treking.. far better than most found now... >> Did a search on ebay on Marbles knives.... lots and lots there >> A canvas tent, marbles or Arocrombie & Fitch cooking gear and equipment >> a pound of Cains Coffee and some saltport.. Ah now that a good >> setting for camp..Dont forget the Hudson Bay Axe in "woods" style. And >> one knows to bring the reflector oven "I have 4 patterns for different >> ones. And they work excellent. >> as to being a ole die hard...... well I guess so.... made a major part >> of my income for many a year doing it...and full time... >> And in the garage hangs my 1949 Oldtown Guides Model wood and canvas >> Canoe grin... ah them times shine indeed >> Windwalker >> You are a true trapper I can tell, > New guys probably never heard of half of what your talking about. I >made a reflector oven at work last winter. Works good. I just set 7 sets >for beaver today on the Mighty Upper Missouri river. I hope for at least >two beaver tomorrow. The ice has been very late in coming off this spring. >I try not to trap beaver under the ice as it is brutal work. I should >still manage, I hope, to catch 10-15 beaver this spring before our season >ends April 15. Conibears are great traps but a leg hold trap has never >rubbed a pelt like a weak conibear can. Also legholds can be used in a lot >more spots but thats just my opinion. I never pass up a good conibear >spot, ever!!! > I'll keep you posted on my beaver catch. > YMOS, Beaverboy ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Les Chaffin Subject: Re: MtMan-List: powderhorns Date: 02 Apr 2002 14:17:00 -0700 Steve, The Book of Buckskinning vol. II has a real good chapter on building powderhorns. I used it to make my first one. Good Luck! Les -- Les Chaffin Green River, Wyoming ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: powderhorns Date: 02 Apr 2002 15:57:52 EST --part1_16a.b6e621d.29db7550_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/2/02 12:34:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, Steve.Berthiaume@compaq.com writes: > > I'm just starting to get into muzzleloading, and would like to build my own > accoutrments, starting with a powderhorn. Could someone direct me to some > good resources that may have tips on how to accomplish this? Thanks. > > regards, > SteveB > > There is a good book by Robert D. Byerly of Fletcher, Ohio called Making Powder Horns Book II 1996 that you should be able to order from the Log Cabin Shop in Lodi Oh www.logcabinshop.com. Give start to finish instructions, easy to follow. Y.M.O.S. C.T. Oakes --part1_16a.b6e621d.29db7550_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/2/02 12:34:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, Steve.Berthiaume@compaq.com writes:



I'm just starting to get into muzzleloading, and would like to build my own accoutrments, starting with a powderhorn.  Could someone direct me to some good resources that may have tips on how to accomplish this?  Thanks.

regards,
SteveB



There is a good book by Robert D. Byerly of Fletcher, Ohio called Making Powder Horns Book II 1996 that you should be able to order from the Log Cabin Shop in Lodi Oh www.logcabinshop.com.  Give start to finish instructions, easy to follow.

Y.M.O.S.

C.T. Oakes --part1_16a.b6e621d.29db7550_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ALAN AVERY Subject: Re: MtMan-List: powderhorns Date: 02 Apr 2002 09:39:42 -0800 "...I'm just starting to get into muzzleloading, and would like to build my own accoutrments, starting with a powderhorn. Could someone direct me to some good resources that may have tips on how to accomplish this? Thanks..." Well, first you find a bull with some nice horns. Then you sneak up behind him REALLY QUIETLY with a hacksaw... seriously, try: http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/8699/ He knows a thing or two about powder horns. Black Knife Alan ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Branson Subject: MtMan-List: Alfred Jacob Miller Date: 02 Apr 2002 19:23:32 -0800 (PST) --0-589961156-1017804212=:40380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A wonderful book by Marvin Ross was printed in 1951: "The West of Alfred Jacob Miller" it shows 200 of Miller's illustrations both watercolors and sketches of the Fur Trade period along with his notes. I'm sure many of you are aware of this book. If any one is interested in a 1st edition in great condition please go to a web site: Kenthomasbooks.com He has one copy for a price that is $ 85.00 I think. I'm not sure. His business is located in Owasso, Oklahoma. Good luck Michael Branson-The Colorado guy not the Kentucky guy. Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax --0-589961156-1017804212=:40380 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

 A wonderful book by Marvin Ross was printed in 1951: "The West of Alfred Jacob Miller" it shows 200 of Miller's  illustrations both watercolors and sketches of the Fur Trade period along with his notes. I'm sure many of you are aware of this book. If any one is interested in a 1st edition in great condition please go to a web site: Kenthomasbooks.com

He has one copy for a price that is $ 85.00 I think. I'm not sure. His business is located in Owasso, Oklahoma. Good luck

Michael Branson-The Colorado guy not the Kentucky guy.


Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax --0-589961156-1017804212=:40380-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mooshy99@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: (no subject) Date: 02 Apr 2002 20:45:50 EST --part1_1a8.180894.29dbb8ce_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am looking for a tipi for sale what is out there Terry --part1_1a8.180894.29dbb8ce_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am looking for a tipi for sale
what is out there
Terry --part1_1a8.180894.29dbb8ce_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: powderhorns Date: 02 Apr 2002 17:29:59 EST --part1_17d.61a102e.29db8ae7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit one of the first questions you need to ask yourself, is what persona are you trying to recreate and what type of horn did they use. if you are going RMFT , personally you cant beat a good buffalo powder horn. Frank Sablan Odessa,Texas --part1_17d.61a102e.29db8ae7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit one of the first questions you need to ask yourself, is what persona are you trying to recreate and what type of horn did they use.  if you are going RMFT , personally you cant beat a good buffalo powder horn.

Frank Sablan
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New or used? Size? Poles and = all?
 
Capt. Lahti'
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I am = looking for a tipi=20 for sale
what is out there
Terry=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C1DAEB.47535D60-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Les Chaffin Subject: MtMan-List: Medallions Date: 03 Apr 2002 08:54:51 -0700 I am looking for a source to get a medallion made for an upcoming rendezvous. -- Yours In Scouting Les Leslie E. Chaffin Green River, Wyoming District Executive Pilot Butte District Platte River District Trapper Trails Council "I use to be a Beaver" ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Berthiaume, Steve" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: powderhorns Date: 03 Apr 2002 10:50:04 -0500 >Well, first you find a bull with some nice horns. Then you sneak up = behind >him REALLY QUIETLY with a hacksaw... I tried to sneak up on him, but I think the noise of the chainsaw = alerted him to my presence. Damn, those animals run fast! >seriously, try: http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/8699/ He = knows a >thing or two about powder horns. Thanks! ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Berthiaume, Steve" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: powderhorns Date: 03 Apr 2002 10:47:26 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DB26.DA663A88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That looks like a great link. Thanks C.T. I'll look for that book = there. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 3:58 PM In a message dated 4/2/02 12:34:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, = Steve.Berthiaume@compaq.com writes:=20 I'm just starting to get into muzzleloading, and would like to build my = own accoutrments, starting with a powderhorn. Could someone direct me = to some good resources that may have tips on how to accomplish this? = Thanks.=20 regards,=20 SteveB=20 There is a good book by Robert D. Byerly of Fletcher, Ohio called Making = Powder Horns Book II 1996 that you should be able to order from the Log = Cabin Shop in Lodi Oh www.logcabinshop.com. Give start to finish = instructions, easy to follow.=20 Y.M.O.S.=20 C.T. Oakes=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DB26.DA663A88 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That=20 looks like a great link.  Thanks C.T.  I'll look for that book = there.
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Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 3:58=20 PM
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In a message dated 4/2/02 12:34:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 Steve.Berthiaume@compaq.com writes:



I'm just starting to get into muzzleloading, and = would like=20 to build my own accoutrments, starting with a powderhorn. =  Could=20 someone direct me to some good resources that may have tips on how = to=20 accomplish this?  Thanks.

regards,
SteveB=20



There is a good book by Robert D. Byerly = of=20 Fletcher, Ohio called Making Powder Horns Book II 1996 that you should = be able=20 to order from the Log Cabin Shop in Lodi Oh www.logcabinshop.com. =  Give=20 start to finish instructions, easy to follow.

Y.M.O.S. =

C.T.=20 Oakes ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DB26.DA663A88-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Berthiaume, Steve" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: powderhorns Date: 03 Apr 2002 10:44:02 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DB26.60EC4D6C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Frank, =20 =20 [Berthiaume, Steve] one of the first questions you need to ask = yourself, is what persona are you trying to recreate=20 [Berthiaume, Steve] That's a good question. Being pretty much a = tenderfoot, I really don't what the options are. I just bought a = flintlock that the seller said was a Pennsylvania style, 1780 -1820, but = the tag says southern mountain. Any ideas? =20 if you are going RMFT , personally you cant beat a good buffalo powder = horn. [Berthiaume, Steve] Hmmm. From the little reading I've done so far, I = can guess that "FT" means fur trade, but I'm afraid you're going to have = to help me out with the "RM". I'm going to guess....Rocky Mountain? (I = told you I was new to this) =20 Thanks, Frank. =20 Regards,=20 Steven Berthiaume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DB26.60EC4D6C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Frank, =  
 
[Berthiaume,=20 Steve]  one of the first questions you need to = ask=20 yourself, is what persona are you trying to recreate
[Berthiaume, = Steve] That's a=20 good question.  Being pretty much a tenderfoot, I really don't what = the=20 options are.  I just bought a flintlock that the seller said was a=20 Pennsylvania style, 1780 -1820, but the tag says southern = mountain.  Any=20 ideas?
 
if you = are going RMFT ,=20 personally you cant beat a good buffalo powder horn.
[Berthiaume,=20 Steve] Hmmm.  From the little reading I've done so far, I = can=20 guess that "FT" means fur trade, but I'm afraid you're going to have to = help me=20 out with the "RM".  I'm going to guess....Rocky Mountain?  (I = told you=20 I was new to this)
 
Thanks,=20 Frank.
 
Regards,=20
Steven=20 Berthiaume


 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DB26.60EC4D6C-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Berthiaume, Steve" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: powderhorns Date: 03 Apr 2002 10:30:24 -0500 Wow! What a coincidence. As it so happens, I ordered volumes 1 and 2 = from Amazon.com just yesterday. Unfortunately, volume 2 won't ship for = 4 to 5 weeks. Thanks, Les. Regards,=20 Steven Berthiaume -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 4:17 PM Steve, The Book of Buckskinning vol. II has a real good chapter on building = powderhorns. I used it to make my first one. Good Luck! Les -- Les Chaffin Green River, Wyoming ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Lindberg Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tipi Date: 03 Apr 2002 08:32:24 -0600 New or used? ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: (no subject) Date: 03 Apr 2002 06:42:27 -0500 --------------2670D4FD6BF6C3542179A6ED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit try.... http://www.tipis-tepees-teepees.com/ Linda Holley Mooshy99@aol.com wrote: > I am looking for a tipi for sale > what is out there > Terry --------------2670D4FD6BF6C3542179A6ED Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit try....

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Mooshy99@aol.com wrote:

I am looking for a tipi for sale
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Terry
--------------2670D4FD6BF6C3542179A6ED-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: 54 Lancaster Date: 03 Apr 2002 01:00:13 EST Woooohoooo! After over 15 years of me scratching on this gun to get it to "in the white", it's finally done. Actually, I think I started it in the early 80's (an antique already!) and got it together and shooting in a reasonable time. Then I spent several years in-letting the patch box, and even longer getting it close to final shape. (I contemplate a lot!) (or don't know what I'm doing most of the time) I wanted some carving on the finished gun, a few "C" and "S" scrolls here and there, but couldn't bring myself to ruin a perfectly good rifle with my lack of carving talent. Anyway.... I found a young, starving, gunsmith close by in Oregon, ( Ron Diermier) and for less than the minimum hourly wage, I had him do the carving and finish it for me. He did an outstanding job as you can see I think, and I couldn't be more pleased! The onlyest problem I see is it's almost too pretty to take out in the woods.... 54.jpg http://members.aol.com/swcushing/54.jpg 542.jpg http://members.aol.com/swcushing/542.jpg Magpie ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: powderhorns Date: 03 Apr 2002 00:41:40 EST In a message dated 4/2/02 11:15:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, JOAQUINQS@aol.com writes: << if you are going RMFT , personally you cant beat a good buffalo powder horn. >> Or in an earlier time period, it would work since Eastern buffalo were around in late 1600's and early 1700's!!! ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rtlahti" Subject: MtMan-List: tipi for sale Date: 03 Apr 2002 20:28:17 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010E_01C1DB4E.169E7520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A friend has a very nice Nomad 18' with liner, door and poles. The liner = has a 6/7" band of tasteful Plains Indian geometric design around the = top edge in blue/yellow/red "Indian Earth Colors". The lodge has been = used but is in very good shape. The owner is very meticulous. There may = also be an awning for out above the door but not sure about that. If so = consider it a nice surprise. The lodge is of course smoked up a bit at = the top so it will not look like you just got started. I believe he said = it was Flame Proofed Sunforger Canvas though as an old fire Capt. I = doubt there is such a thing as an honest to god fire proof canvas. The price is very reasonable considering what is included at $500. The = lodge is located in Kennewick WA. which is in SE Washington. Please make = serious inquiries off list. Thanks. YMOS Capt. Lahti' ------=_NextPart_000_010E_01C1DB4E.169E7520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A friend has a very nice Nomad 18' with = liner, door=20 and poles. The liner has a 6/7" band of tasteful Plains Indian geometric = design=20 around the top edge in blue/yellow/red "Indian Earth Colors". The lodge = has been=20 used but is in very good shape. The owner is very meticulous. There may = also be=20 an awning for out above the door but not sure about that. If so consider = it a=20 nice surprise. The lodge is of course smoked up a bit at the top so it = will not=20 look like you just got started. I believe he said it was Flame Proofed = Sunforger=20 Canvas though as an old fire Capt. I doubt there is such a thing as an = honest to=20 god fire proof canvas.
 
The price is very reasonable = considering what is=20 included at $500. The lodge is located in Kennewick WA. which is in SE=20 Washington. Please make serious inquiries off list. Thanks.
 
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
 
 
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I have a email of a fellow who makes good looking buffalo powder horns at a fair price, I'll have to search my files, but my memory tells me he lives in colorado springs , colorado, if you are interested email me offline and i can give you his addy and possibly send you a pic of my horn that he made --part1_134.c1cedb2.29dd2646_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (Jon Marinetti) Subject: MtMan-List: Trailblazer Jim Beckwourth (Non-Period Question) Date: 03 Apr 2002 21:00:37 -0500 (EST) Is it recorded or written anywhere on what specific day (April 1850 or 1851) did he discover the historic pass thru the Sierra Nevada Mtns during the California Gold Rush? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from Michigan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "CrookedHand" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: powderhorns Date: 03 Apr 2002 20:38:30 -0500 Thanks Allan.... I heard that little acorn snap under yer heavy little foot.. and the breathin... whatcha been eatin, bro? heh.. tole the boy to contact me off list.. glad to help.... was SERIOUSLY thinking of doing a book this year with pics instead of diagrams.. what think ye? Mark "CrookedHand" Toigo http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/8699 http://www.alltel.net/~chand/ ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 12:39 PM > "...I'm just starting to get into muzzleloading, and would like to build my > own accoutrments, starting with a powderhorn. Could someone direct me to > some good resources that may have tips on how to accomplish this? > Thanks..." > > > Well, first you find a bull with some nice horns. Then you sneak up behind > him REALLY QUIETLY with a hacksaw... > > seriously, try: http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/8699/ He knows a > thing or two about powder horns. > > > Black Knife > > Alan > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "CrookedHand" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: powderhorns Date: 03 Apr 2002 20:36:33 -0500 Contact me off-line after you loook at my gallery.. I'd be glad to help. Mark "CrookedHand" Toigo http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/8699 http://www.alltel.net/~chand/ ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 8:13 AM I'm just starting to get into muzzleloading, and would like to build my own accoutrments, starting with a powderhorn. Could someone direct me to some good resources that may have tips on how to accomplish this? Thanks. regards, SteveB ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maryln Adams" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: (no subject) Date: 03 Apr 2002 19:14:24 -0500

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>Mooshy99@aol.com wrote:
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> > what is out there
> > Terry

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---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Re: 54 Lancaster/odd barrels Date: 03 Apr 2002 19:08:04 EST In a message dated 4/3/02 9:14:08 AM, BpShotgun@aol.com writes: << If it takes that long to do a flint rifle, I expect to see your double flint shotgun at a shoot sometime in, say, 2025. I will be there lookin' fer it. >> Haaaaaa.... I hope it doesn't take that long! The way things are going, it'll be against the law to own one by then. Actually, I'm gathering all the parts, and have a copy of Brockway's "Recreating the Double Barrel Muzzle Loading Shotgun" (impossible to find now) but, think I will have LaBisquee do most of the work. << I do not recall that name. He must have come on the scene in the last few years.>> <> Ron runs/owns Morningstar Arms down in Scio, Oregon. I don't know how long he's been at it, but I think his first rifle won "best of show" for a new gunsmith at the Oregon Gun Builders Fair awhile back. He's very handy.... I asked him if he wanted me to put his name out, and he said he was swamped with work already, and it may take awhile to get to some new projects. Here's his number (evenings) 1-503-394-2516 If anyone really needs him to do some work, he can be fast talked.......at least it worked for me.... Magpie ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: odd double barrel? Date: 03 Apr 2002 19:10:40 EST I just picked up another set of "twist" 12ga barrels on the cheap. What's interesting about them, is one barrel has a distinct, but somewhat faint, set of 12 flats inside the bore for the entire length! Can't say I've ever seen anything like it before, nor do I know why it would be that way....any idea boys? The other barrel is appears normally smooth.... Magpie ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newbill" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: (no subject) Date: 03 Apr 2002 15:38:18 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C1DB25.93BC0410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can look through these..... http://www.mountaintoptradingco.com http://www.pantherprimitives.com http://www.teepees-by-ktunaxa.com http://www.tentmasters.com http://www.strinz.com/tipi http://www.reliabletent.com http://www.tentsmiths.com Regards Lee Newbill AMM #1821 http://users.potlatch.com/bluethistle/ http://www.mountaintoptradingco.com/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Linda Holley Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:42 AM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: (no subject) try.... http://www.tipis-tepees-teepees.com/ Linda Holley Mooshy99@aol.com wrote: I am looking for a tipi for sale what is out there Terry ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C1DB25.93BC0410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C1DB25.93BC0410-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FrankF" Subject: MtMan-List: traps Date: 03 Apr 2002 12:40:30 -0600 C. Thanks for the tips. I try to be an eithical hunter, now wannabe trapper, and would only take what is in season. Exception probably would be coyotes. We have way too many, I would trap and dispatch to control population. I don't believe this stream has any beaver although we have them in the region. Bobcat, fox, coon, coyotes and feral dogs are most probable. Even a mountain lion is not out of the question but I would have to check laws on legality of that first. But being an inexperienced trapper, I do wonder how I would set a catamount free if one was caught in the trap but not legal to keep. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Best, Dianne" Subject: MtMan-List: water containers and compasses Date: 03 Apr 2002 12:16:50 -0600 I grew up in southwestern Ontario and spent a lot of my childhood in the bush. Developed a good sense of position and direction - never needed a map or compass because the next road, trail, or field would only be 5 or 7 miles away. Moved to northeastern Ontario in '69 to go to college and took up prospecting as a hobby (outdoors and inexpensive enough for a student) but this was REAL bush country - trackless wilderness of swamps, rocks, and pine trees, 400 miles to the next road if you went south, no roads to the north, well at least not until after you crossed the Pole and ended up in Russia! - so I figured it was time to stop relying on my "internal" sense of position and direction - got maps and a compass. My first trip out with my new "navigational aids" was to be to an old mine site about 5 miles north of the only road in the area. I trekked out until I figured I was due south of the site and turned into the bush. After I had gone a mile or so on what I thought was "due North" (with a few detours around marshes, rock outcroppings, etc.), I checked the compass and it said I had turned to the west about 20 degrees. I couldn't believe it! I figured my course should be within 10 to 20 yards of my original line! I continued on what I was sure was due North for about another mile and checked the compass again - now it said I was going northwest!! Not believing my "internal" senses could be that far out, I detoured up a steep hill just off my path, to the very top, and climbed a pine tress. From the top of the pine tree I could see a distant microwave tower which was EXACTLY where my "internal" sense said it should be. When I climbed down the tree, I checked the compass again and the North arrow was pointed due SOUTH!!!! I took that compass and pitched it off the top of that hill with all my might!!! I picked up my initial track and hit the old mine site (a clearing about 300 feet in diameter) right exactly where I thought it should be - not bad, eh, to hit a 300 foot circle after 5 miles in the bush! I never trusted "machines" again, not over my own instinct - that damned compass would have got me lost in a country where they never would have found a body! (I found out later that the hill contained a huge iron deposit!) Jin-o-ta-ka (Dianne) ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Darilek" Subject: MtMan-List: Powderhorns Date: 03 Apr 2002 12:00:42 -0600 There is a great article in the last (I think) Muzzleloader magazine that dispels the modern bunk about how horns should curve around your chest. Our modern way of thinking dictates that you don't want the spout sticking out and snagging things. The article says IT WASN'T SO. Might as well get started right. "...I'm just starting to get into muzzleloading, and would like to build my own accoutrments, starting with a powderhorn. Could someone direct me to some good resources that may have tips on how to accomplish this? Thanks..." Glenn Darilek Iron Burner ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rtlahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: powderhorns Date: 03 Apr 2002 08:57:38 -0800 Steve, A nice buffalo horn surely would fit into playing Rocky Mt. Trapper but it makes the owner fit a later time period than the gun might. Since the gun is a longrifle from back east and perhaps an earlier time and because your not real sure "when" you want to play, make or acquire a horn that fits the gun. You can always have and be carrying older gear than the era your "playing in" but not newer gear than the era your "playing in". A longrifle certainly fits the Rocky Mt. Fur Trade era. YMOS Capt. Lahti' ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Berthiaume, Steve" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: powderhorns Date: 04 Apr 2002 11:17:01 -0500 Many thanks to all for your advice regarding horns, persona, history, = etc. This is a great list. Regards,=20 Steven Berthiaume ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Lindberg Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tipis and tents Date: 04 Apr 2002 10:17:47 -0600 For a new tipi or tent I would recommend: Spring Valley Lodges N3515 Highway F Brodhead, WI 53520 ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: traps Date: 04 Apr 2002 11:11:02 EST In a message dated 4/4/02 12:24:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, frankf@cox-internet.com writes: << But being an inexperienced trapper, I do wonder how I would set a catamount free if one was caught in the trap but not legal to keep. Frank G. Fusco >> Same as a fox. Use your canine pole to loop the head and stretch it away from the trap and hold to the ground. NOW...ask your friend to go unset the trap from its foot. Have the iodine and band-aids ready....... -C.Kent ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Casapy123@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trailblazer Jim Beckwourth (Non-Period Question) Date: 04 Apr 2002 02:55:17 EST "It was the latter end of April when we entered upon an extensive valley..." is the closest Bonner gives to a date of discovery for Beclwourth Pass. While there is some controversy as to whether it was 1850 or 1851, Author Elinor Wilson leans toward 1850. Jim Hardee, AMM #1676 Beckwourht Country ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: traps Date: 03 Apr 2002 22:50:03 -0700 (MST) > ethical in > his harvest and think of the ability of the young to live > independently> > > C. > Thanks for the tips. I try to be an eithical hunter, now wannabe > trapper, and would only take what is in season. Exception probably > would be coyotes. We have way too many, I would trap and dispatch to > control population. > Minks?> > I don't believe this stream has any beaver although we have them in > the > region. Bobcat, fox, coon, coyotes and feral dogs are most probable. > Even a mountain lion is not out of the question but I would have to > check laws on legality of that first. > But being an inexperienced trapper, I do wonder how I would set a > catamount free if one was caught in the trap but not legal to keep. > Frank G. Fusco Frank, Most game have not given birth, yet. most trapping seasons end before any animals give birth. I trap everything that is open but usually what is a nusance to the landowners. This is why I said you should forget about trapping this season and concentrate on next season. You need to take a trapper education class offered by most states ,I believe, and or your state trapping association. This will give you Trappers ED 101. This is not something to be learned over the internet. Even other trappers are very secretive in thier methods. Take a course or find a good trapper who is willing to take the time to show the right way. I have been a trapper for 25+ years and bought fur for 15 years this does take time and is a big responsibilty on the trappers part. I've seen just about every mistake in trapping and fur handling in those years and I made a lot of them myself. I wish I had taken a course or found a good trapper early on to help me out. Don't get in a big rush to set traps. Take the course (most are one or two days only) and join your trapping associaton. Subsribe to FUR-Fish- Game and The Trapper and Predator Caller. Trapping is a very important management tool and a lot of fun in the great outdoors. You'll have a blast next fall and winter and you'll learn more about animals then you ever did before. Sincerely , Greg (beaverboy) ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ALAN AVERY Subject: Re: MtMan-List: traps Date: 04 Apr 2002 10:02:34 -0800 "... But being an inexperienced trapper, I do wonder how I would set a catamount free if one was caught in the trap..." ...VERY carefully!! Black Knife Alan ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "WindWalker" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: traps Date: 04 Apr 2002 12:45:35 -0500 Well Im going to jump into this I highly agree with Greg. And I myself have trapped going on 50+ yrs.. Both as professional {in ole days} and hobby. I would urge you to take a trapping class highly.. the ATA has classes bout everywhere.. Also State clubs do also... Most states now require new trappers to take a course and I highly agree with it... If you trapping for the lure of "big money" forget it!!! If you have a true love of the land and outdoors its a great lifestyle. This time of year for most areas is WAY to late for prime fur,,, My advise is to wait till next year...Do some summer trapper tasks... hunt some herbs to sell Make packbackets.....This time of year a trapper is finished for= the most part.. although alot of seasons are still in... {just because a season is in dont= mean trap em all out} Leave the young for new years as seed... Ive went into areas my self that had prime skins... But declined to trap= them out as the population appeaed to be low...Why trap a area out?? I myself hit areas hard first part of season.... then pull out.. and i make= no bones about it... Ive had upwards of 400 rats first 2 weeks of season form longlining.. then= i move on... And forget the "mountain lion" fer now.... takes alot of practice to trap= cats... and there are few left to trap.. I would never trap a area that has "just a few" beaver in it... let em= build up..... Beg borrow or other or subscribe to Fur-Fish-Game mag... its the trappers= monthly bible... One of the best books you can get bar none is Trapping North American= Furbearers by Stanley Hawbaker available from Fur-Fish_ Game... also spring summer is time to build up grubstake for winter trapping= season... Obtaining canoe ect.... There is a whole lot more to trapping than just "setting steel" learn how to use the carcusses as not to have nay waste form the= critter..... learn each and everyone of the animals your after... in all seasons.... Now is the time to pick up the backpack and do yer spring scouting... Now is the time to secure WRITTEN permission from.. landowners to trap= coming season.... Do alittle work for them FREE if it looks like good area... Ive harvested a many a acre of corn with a picker , just to be able to= trap on 1000 acre plot... Trapping if one does it right is a full time sport/hobby....... so much to= do in th off season.... Check out the fur buyers in area and learn thier tricks...Ever know how= they average your furs??? so "you think" you done well??? If you cant find a ole sourdough trapper to learn from I highly advise= getting all the books you can.... Most trappers use the Muzzleloading rondys now to have summer frolic...Note= thats the ones that do trap.... secure via permit a area from state for trapping... Lord knows running a= line 25 miles on foot is a pleasure indeed.. if you gear up right and plan to stay out.... Nothing better than walking a line, getting your skins then settling in to= a evening camp... to scrape.. and care of skins... Cache em up for trip back.... Nothing better than a winter camp cooking marsh rabbit {muskrat} or beaver= tail for dinner and a mess of bannock bread pan fried or done in the reflector oven... Start making your skinning knives,, and stretchers if need be... If you plan to deep water trap Obtain a canoe...and learn how to safely use= it... Tis a fine day when you see your outfit loaded up for a 3 week trip "a trapping'... Get if all possible the entire Hardings Historical Books Collection....= they are invaluable for trappers.... from Fur-Fish-Game also a excellent book called Cache Lake Country "Life in the Northwoods" by= John J Rowlands gives a excellent view of "year around" trappers life in 1940,s era... I could go on and on... Get and read as many books you can by Rutstrum, Olson, Nessmuk, Kephart,= Angier, Gravik,Harding, Hawbaker And learn Camping skills ans Woodslore! And learn all the outdoors skills you can, as you will need them at some= point trapping.... And dont forget.... leave them young and even the primes there if you seee= little in area.. nothing worsr than taking all of them out.... thereby ruining all for next years= woodsman... just my thoughts... S.Windwalker *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/3/02 at 10:50 PM beaverboy@sofast.net wrote: >> > ethical in >> his harvest and think of the ability of the young to live >> independently> >> >> C. >> Thanks for the tips. I try to be an eithical hunter, now wannabe >> trapper, and would only take what is in season. Exception probably >> would be coyotes. We have way too many, I would trap and dispatch to >> control population. >> > Minks?> >> I don't believe this stream has any beaver although we have them in >> the >> region. Bobcat, fox, coon, coyotes and feral dogs are most probable. >> Even a mountain lion is not out of the question but I would have to >> check laws on legality of that first. >> But being an inexperienced trapper, I do wonder how I would set a >> catamount free if one was caught in the trap but not legal to keep. >> Frank G. Fusco > >Frank, > Most game have not given birth, yet. most trapping seasons end before >any animals give birth. I trap everything that is open but usually what is >a nusance to the landowners. This is why I said you should forget about >trapping this season and concentrate on next season. You need to take a >trapper education class offered by most states ,I believe, and or your >state trapping association. This will give you Trappers ED 101. This is >not something to be learned over the internet. Even other trappers are >very secretive in thier methods. Take a course or find a good trapper who >is willing to take the time to show the right way. I have been a trapper >for 25+ years and bought fur for 15 years this does take time and is a big >responsibilty on the trappers part. I've seen just about every mistake in >trapping and fur handling in those years and I made a lot of them myself. >I wish I had taken a course or found a good trapper early on to help me >out. Don't get in a big rush to set traps. Take the course (most are one >or two days only) and join your trapping associaton. Subsribe to FUR-Fish- >Game and The Trapper and Predator Caller. Trapping is a very important >management tool and a lot of fun in the great outdoors. You'll have a >blast next fall and winter and you'll learn more about animals then you >ever did before. > Sincerely , Greg (beaverboy) ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ALAN AVERY Subject: Re: MtMan-List: powderhorns Date: 04 Apr 2002 09:59:39 -0800 I've been too long living in the settlements lad, I'm getting old and fat! Need to spend more time in the mountains! I think your book idea is a really good one, too many pilgrims don't get the right info, and end up with bad, non pc horns. It's great for them to want to make them, but if they're going to invest the time, they should do it right! (hell, I'd buy a copy too!) Watch yer top knot, Black Knife Alan ----- Original Message ----- Sent: April 3, 2002 5:38 PM > Thanks Allan.... I heard that little acorn snap under yer heavy little > foot.. and the breathin... whatcha been eatin, bro? heh.. tole the boy to > contact me off list.. glad to help.... was SERIOUSLY thinking of doing a > book this year with pics instead of diagrams.. what think ye? > > Mark "CrookedHand" Toigo > http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/8699 > http://www.alltel.net/~chand/ ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Sega Subject: MtMan-List: Double barrel (off topic) Date: 04 Apr 2002 08:49:46 -0800 (PST) --0-452983571-1017938986=:71751 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Some of the recent posts have gotten me thinking about a gun my dad got back in the 60's. Its a double barreled, external hammer cartridge gun with damascus barrels, intended for bp. its marked LaClede (sp?) Belgium on the top. Is that barrel worth a damn?. I know that the locks are in pretty bad shape. and the fit is sloppy throughout. Just curious SWcushing@aol.com wrote: I just picked up another set of "twist" 12ga barrels on the cheap. What's interesting about them, is one barrel has a distinct, but somewhat faint, set of 12 flats inside the bore for the entire length! Can't say I've ever seen anything like it before, nor do I know why it would be that way....any idea boys? The other barrel is appears normally smooth.... Magpie ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax --0-452983571-1017938986=:71751 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Some of the recent posts have gotten me thinking about a gun my dad got back in the 60's.  Its a double barreled, external hammer cartridge gun with damascus barrels, intended for bp.  its marked LaClede (sp?) Belgium on the top.  Is that barrel worth a damn?.  I know that the locks are in pretty bad shape. and the fit is sloppy throughout.  Just curious 

  SWcushing@aol.com wrote:

I just picked up another set of "twist" 12ga barrels on the cheap. What's
interesting about them, is one barrel has a distinct, but somewhat faint, set
of 12 flats inside the bore for the entire length! Can't say I've ever seen
anything like it before, nor do I know why it would be that way....any idea
boys? The other barrel is appears normally smooth....

Magpie

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Theses tents have a lot of live left in them after 10 years of use. my opinion. hardtack > [Original Message] > From: Jim Lindberg > For a new tipi or tent I would recommend: > > Spring Valley Lodges > N3515 Highway F > Brodhead, WI 53520 > --- Randal Bublitz --- rjbublitz@earthlink.net we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers, we are Borrowing it from ou ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronald Schrotter Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trailblazer Jim Beckwourth (Non-Period Question) Date: 05 Apr 2002 06:42:02 -0800 (PST) Jon, according to his autobiography (as told to Thomas D. Bonner) all Beckwourth says is "It was in the latter end of April that we entered upon an extensive valley at the northwest extremity of the Sierra range" As he earlier stated that he had taken the steamer "California" from Monterey to Stockton in April of 1849, and that it was the following spring I take it he discovered the pass in late April of 1850. I hope this helps. Since Beckwourth himself does not give a specific date I would not think one is available. Dog --- Jon Marinetti wrote: > Is it recorded or written anywhere on what specific > day (April 1850 or > 1851) did he discover the historic pass thru the > Sierra Nevada Mtns > during the California Gold Rush? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > from Michigan > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronald Schrotter Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Medallions Date: 05 Apr 2002 05:44:51 -0800 (PST) Les, you might try contacting the booshway for Bridger Rendezvous and find out who is making theirs this year. I don't know who he is this year, but you can call the museum at Bridger and find out contact info. Good luck, DOG, Lyman, Wyo. --- Les Chaffin wrote: > I am looking for a source to get a medallion made > for an upcoming > rendezvous. > > -- > Yours In Scouting > Les > > > > Leslie E. Chaffin > Green River, Wyoming > District Executive > Pilot Butte District > Platte River District > Trapper Trails Council > "I use to be a Beaver" > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Double barrel (off topic) Date: 04 Apr 2002 22:05:59 EST In a message dated 4/4/02 1:27:39 PM, chrissega1@yahoo.com writes: << Its a double barreled, external hammer cartridge gun with damascus barrels, intended for bp. its marked LaClede (sp?) Belgium on the top. Is that barrel worth a damn?. >> Hi Chris... If the barrel is marked "LeFever" it is/or was. a pretty high quality gun. The barrels in good shape, would only be worth something to a guy that wants to convert them to a muzzle loader, and even then you don't know if they're any good untill you proof them with at least a double charge... Magpie ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: powderhorns Date: 04 Apr 2002 18:10:16 -0600 crooked hand---put me on the list for a copy if you do---might even contribute with a few pictures of the cheep original day horns i have---probably 25 or 30 of them---if that would help--- hawk--- On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 20:38:30 -0500 "CrookedHand" writes: > Thanks Allan.... I heard that little acorn snap under yer heavy > little > foot.. and the breathin... whatcha been eatin, bro? heh.. tole the > boy to > contact me off list.. glad to help.... was SERIOUSLY thinking of > doing a > book this year with pics instead of diagrams.. what think ye? > > Mark "CrookedHand" Toigo > http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/8699 > http://www.alltel.net/~chand/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ALAN AVERY" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 12:39 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: powderhorns > > > > "...I'm just starting to get into muzzleloading, and would like to > build > my > > own accoutrments, starting with a powderhorn. Could someone > direct me to > > some good resources that may have tips on how to accomplish this? > > Thanks..." > > > > > > Well, first you find a bull with some nice horns. Then you sneak > up behind > > him REALLY QUIETLY with a hacksaw... > > > > seriously, try: http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/8699/ He > knows a > > thing or two about powder horns. > > > > > > Black Knife > > > > Alan > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > "HAWK" Michael Pierce Home of "Old Grizz Products" & "the Arkansas Under Hammers" 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor Florida 34684 Phone:1-727-771-1815 e-mail: hawknest4@juno.com web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "WindWalker" Subject: MtMan-List: Fire Piston history correct Date: 04 Apr 2002 18:01:08 -0500 --=====_101796126826500=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has any reference been found as to if the early mountain man, ever carried= a Fire Piston? Its within the time frame, and was used in early Virginia. I know books always refer to flint/steel... But I believe HBC sold a early= piston... Anybody have info on such? Windwalker --=====_101796126826500=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Has any reference been found as to if the early mountain man, ever carried a Fire Piston?
Its within the time frame, and was used in early Virginia.
I know books always refer to flint/steel... But I believe HBC sold a early piston...
Anybody have info on such?
Windwalker
--=====_101796126826500=_-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ALAN AVERY Subject: Re: MtMan-List: traps Date: 04 Apr 2002 15:06:01 -0800 "...Nothing better than walking a line, getting your skins then settling in to a evening camp... to scrape.. and care of skins... Cache em up for trip back.... Nothing better than a winter camp cooking marsh rabbit {muskrat} or beaver tail for dinner and a mess of bannock bread pan fried or done in the reflector oven..." Damn Windwalker, when do we leave???!!! Reading your post really got the old juices flowin' to chuck the "civilized" life, load up and head out!! ...just thought I'd mention how much I enjoyed your post. Watch yer topknot! Black Knife ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "WindWalker" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: traps Date: 04 Apr 2002 15:39:30 -0500 Here is a URL and gives some of the best info there is... http://www.wild-about-trapping.com/ *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/3/02 at 10:50 PM beaverboy@sofast.net wrote: >> > ethical in >> his harvest and think of the ability of the young to live >> independently> >> >> C. >> Thanks for the tips. I try to be an eithical hunter, now wannabe >> trapper, and would only take what is in season. Exception probably >> would be coyotes. We have way too many, I would trap and dispatch to >> control population. >> > Minks?> >> I don't believe this stream has any beaver although we have them in >> the >> region. Bobcat, fox, coon, coyotes and feral dogs are most probable. >> Even a mountain lion is not out of the question but I would have to >> check laws on legality of that first. >> But being an inexperienced trapper, I do wonder how I would set a >> catamount free if one was caught in the trap but not legal to keep. >> Frank G. Fusco ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Period firearm needed Date: 05 Apr 2002 13:43:38 EST Hello Camp! I am need of a period firearm for the F&I era. No particulars. I am looking for a a cheap gun till my tulle is finished in Dec. for a number of reenactments till then. Can be dinged and scratched (not prefer cracked but if not too bad will consider), barrel can be shot out, etc. This is just something for me to carry onto the reenactment field and bang around with. Just so long as it makes a spark to ignite powder in the pan. Even a period pistol would do in a pinch...repro, whatever. If anyone can help me out or point me in the right direction to find something like this please let me know!!! Feel free to respond offlist! -C.Kent ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "WindWalker" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: traps Date: 05 Apr 2002 10:46:56 -0500 In honest, Im thinking of running a line or winter camp on the upper= Missouri this winter or next All via canoe.. Might want a partner or two....Im open to areas... as long= as they are along water... *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/4/02 at 3:06 PM ALAN AVERY wrote: >"...Nothing better than walking a line, getting your skins then settling >in >to a evening camp... to scrape.. >and care of skins... Cache em up for trip back.... >Nothing better than a winter camp cooking marsh rabbit {muskrat} or= beaver >tail for dinner and a mess >of bannock bread pan fried or done in the reflector oven..." > > >Damn Windwalker, when do we leave???!!! > >Reading your post really got the old juices flowin' to chuck the >"civilized" life, load up and head out!! > >..just thought I'd mention how much I enjoyed your post. > > >Watch yer topknot! > >Black Knife > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "CrookedHand" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: powderhorns Date: 05 Apr 2002 22:08:21 -0500 hey! Great idea...... we'll talk! Mark "CrookedHand" Toigo http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/8699 http://www.alltel.net/~chand/ ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:10 PM > crooked hand---put me on the list for a copy if you do---might even > contribute with a few pictures of the cheep original day horns i > have---probably 25 or 30 of them---if that would help--- > > hawk--- > > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 20:38:30 -0500 "CrookedHand" > writes: > > Thanks Allan.... I heard that little acorn snap under yer heavy > > little > > foot.. and the breathin... whatcha been eatin, bro? heh.. tole the > > boy to > > contact me off list.. glad to help.... was SERIOUSLY thinking of > > doing a > > book this year with pics instead of diagrams.. what think ye? > > > > Mark "CrookedHand" Toigo > > http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/8699 > > http://www.alltel.net/~chand/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ALAN AVERY" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 12:39 PM > > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: powderhorns > > > > > > > "...I'm just starting to get into muzzleloading, and would like to > > build > > my > > > own accoutrments, starting with a powderhorn. Could someone > > direct me to > > > some good resources that may have tips on how to accomplish this? > > > Thanks..." > > > > > > > > > Well, first you find a bull with some nice horns. Then you sneak > > up behind > > > him REALLY QUIETLY with a hacksaw... > > > > > > seriously, try: http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/8699/ He > > knows a > > > thing or two about powder horns. > > > > > > > > > Black Knife > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > ---------------------- > > > hist_text list info: > > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: > > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > "HAWK" > Michael Pierce Home of "Old Grizz Products" & "the Arkansas Under > Hammers" > 854 Glenfield Dr. > Palm Harbor Florida 34684 Phone:1-727-771-1815 > e-mail: hawknest4@juno.com web site: > http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Glover Subject: MtMan-List: The West of Alfred Jacob Miller Date: 05 Apr 2002 20:10:20 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_497d.5a2c.797d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All, Once again I have been lucky enough to obtain a copy of "The West of Alfred Jacob Miller." This is a first edition, hard bound book published in 1951. The book is in excellent condition both inside and out. Shows no sign of rubbing on the spine or edges. It does not have a dust cover. This book is an absolute must in your library if you are a fan or scholar of the western fur trade. As I did before, I'd like to auction this book off. I will keep my cost and send the rest to the AMM land fund. So the winner not only gets an excellent book, but also the satisfaction of helping pay for the land. I will begin taking bids now and will close the bidding next Friday night the 12th at 8:00 p.m. Mountain time. During the week I will post periodic updates of the highest bid. Good luck. Let the bidding begin..... "Teton" Todd D. Glover #1784 http://poisonriverparty.homestead.com ----__JNP_000_497d.5a2c.797d Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello All,
 
Once again I have been lucky enough to obtain a copy of  "The= West=20 of Alfred Jacob Miller."
This is a first edition, hard bound book published in 1951. The book = is in=20 excellent condition both inside and out. Shows no sign of rubbing on the = spine=20 or edges. It does not have a dust cover. This book is an absolute must in = your=20 library if you are a fan or scholar of the western fur trade.
As I did before, I'd like to auction this book off. I will keep = my=20 cost and send the rest to the AMM land fund. So the winner not only gets an= =20 excellent book, but also the satisfaction of helping pay for the=20 land. 
 
I will begin taking bids now and will close the bidding next Friday = night=20 the 12th at 8:00 p.m. Mountain time.
During the week I will post periodic updates of the highest bid. Good= =20 luck.
 
Let the bidding begin.....

"Teton" Todd D. Glover #1784
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----__JNP_000_497d.5a2c.797d-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phyllis and Don Keas Subject: MtMan-List: Too Quiet Date: 06 Apr 2002 20:12:29 -0700 Since things have been sort of quiet for a while now, here goes: Been looking at Alfred Jacob Miller's paintings and noticed something. = Look at his painting titled "Our Camp". In the right hand side, is that = a drawing of a one pole tent? I don't see any smoke flaps nor a bonnet of = poles. So is it or isn't it in 1837? The original hangs in the museum in Cody, so if anyone wants to go look at = it, who knows? Nothing like stirring things up. Don ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "louann,peter " Subject: MtMan-List: tinning Date: 06 Apr 2002 09:14:29 EST hello, i saw your information on tinning. my question is how hot is the item to be that is going to be tinned. my husband and i have a metal refinishing shop, and are going to give tinning a shot. he has a ton of tin, and the call for it in out business is tremendous. would appreciate any help that you could give. thank you louann & peter vansant vansant@bestweb.net ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: FW: Re: MtMan-List: traps Date: 06 Apr 2002 18:33:23 -0800 OOps...sent this directly to windwalker first...here's for the list....hardtack > [Original Message] > From: Randal Bublitz > To: WindWalker > Date: 4/6/02 6:32:23 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: traps > > I forgot who this was originally sent to-deleted old mails regularly. But this caught my eye.... > Beg borrow or other or subscribe to Fur-Fish-Game mag... its the trappers monthly bible... > I happen to be able to get my hands on back issues of Fur Fish and Game. If someone is really interested, I could send for the cost of shipping. Let me know off list. hardtack > > > > [Original Message] > > From: WindWalker > > To: > > Date: 4/4/02 9:45:35 AM > > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: traps > > Beg borrow or other or subscribe to Fur-Fish-Game mag... its the trappers= > > monthly bible... > > > --- Randal Bublitz > --- rjbublitz@earthlink.net > we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers, > we are Borrowing it from our Ch --- Randal Bublitz --- rjbublitz@earthlink.net we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers, we are ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "MIKE FINNEGAN" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The West of Alfred Jacob Miller Date: 06 Apr 2002 06:50:09 -0600 ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1DD37.4B058FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a copy of the Oregon Trail, by Francis Parkman, eleventh printing,= copyright dated 1931, and a copy of the Louisiana Purchase, by Ripley Hit= chcock, copyright, 1903, can you tell me anything about then ( not for s= ale) just thought you might know, = wandering wolf =20 = La Grange, IL ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:54 PM Hello All, Once again I have been lucky enough to obtain a copy of "The West of Alf= red Jacob Miller." This is a first edition, hard bound book published in 1951. The book is i= n excellent condition both inside and out. Shows no sign of rubbing on th= e spine or edges. It does not have a dust cover. This book is an absolute= must in your library if you are a fan or scholar of the western fur trad= e. As I did before, I'd like to auction this book off. I will keep my cost a= nd send the rest to the AMM land fund. So the winner not only gets an exc= ellent book, but also the satisfaction of helping pay for the land. =20 I will begin taking bids now and will close the bidding next Friday night= the 12th at 8:00 p.m. Mountain time. During the week I will post periodic updates of the highest bid. Good luc= k. Let the bidding begin..... "Teton" Todd D. Glover #1784 http://poisonriverparty.homestead.comGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Exp= lorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1DD37.4B058FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a copy = of the Oregon Trail, by Francis Parkman, eleventh printing,copyright date= d 1931, and a copy of the Louisiana Purchase, by Ripley Hitchcock, copyri= ght, 1903, can you tell me anything about then  ( not for sale) just= thought you  might know,
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----- Original Message -----
From: Todd Glover
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To: AMMlist@xmission.com= ; hist_text@xmission.com
Subject= : MtMan-List: The West of Alfred Jacob Miller
 
=
Hello All= ,
 
Once again I have been lucky enough to obt= ain a copy of  "The West of Alfred Jacob Miller."
This is a first edition, hard bound book published in 1951. The book is= in excellent condition both inside and out. Shows no sign of rubbing on = the spine or edges. It does not have a dust cover. This book is an absolu= te must in your library if you are a fan or scholar of the western fur tr= ade.
As I did before, I'd like to auction this book off. = I will keep my cost and send the rest to the AMM land fund. So the winner= not only gets an excellent book, but also the satisfaction of helpi= ng pay for the land. 
 
I will begin taki= ng bids now and will close the bidding next Friday night the 12th at 8:00= p.m. Mountain time.
During the week I will post periodic upda= tes of the highest bid. Good luck.
 
Let the b= idding begin.....

"Teton" Todd D. Glover #1784
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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1DD37.4B058FC0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Powell" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Medallions Date: 06 Apr 2002 00:04:47 -0700 ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C1DCFE.A9FCB780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This Years Booshway at Bridger is Kash Johnson. You can e-mail him at ka= shjohnson1@hotmail.com . There is also a lady in Red Lodge, Mont by the = name of Joann Ford who makes the medallions for that Rendezvous as will a= s others and she is on the Red Lodge Rendezvous committee. Not quite sur= e how to get ahold of Joann but you could call the Red Lodge Chamber of C= ommerce. Mike Powell =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:36 AM =20 Les, you might try contacting the booshway for Bridger Rendezvous and find out who is making theirs this year. I don't know who he is this year, but you can call the museum at Bridger and find out contact info. Good luck, DOG, Lyman, Wyo. --- Les Chaffin wrote: > I am looking for a source to get a medallion made > for an upcoming > rendezvous. > > -- > Yours In Scouting > Les > > > > Leslie E. Chaffin > Green River, Wyoming > District Executive > Pilot Butte District > Platte River District > Trapper Trails Council > "I use to be a Beaver" > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.htmlGe= t more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.co= m ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C1DCFE.A9FCB780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This Years Boo= shway at Bridger is Kash Johnson.  You can e-mail him at kashjohnson1@hotmail.com . = ; There is also a lady in Red Lodge, Mont by the name of Joann Ford who m= akes the medallions for that Rendezvous as will as others and she is on t= he Red Lodge Rendezvous committee.  Not quite sure how to get ahold = of Joann but you could call the Red Lodge Chamber of Commerce.
Mike Powell   
 
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Les, you might try contacting the booshway for = Bridger
Rendezvous and find out who is making theirs this
year.&nbs= p; I don't know who he is this year, but you can
call the museum at Br= idger and find out contact info.
Good luck, DOG, Lyman, Wyo.
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Windwalker,
A&n= bsp;personal friend of mine, a Bob Perkins in Manhattan, Mt. has done res= earch on this and even manufactures them.  As far as them being peri= od correct to the Rocky Mts during the fur trade, my bet would be sli= m to none.  It's difficult enough to document the Tibetan style= strike-a-light that Kit Carson carried, in the Rocky Mts. let alone=  a fire piston that was mostly used in the Philippines and Pacific i= slands.  There were trade ships that visited the Pacific coast&= nbsp;that could explain how such items made it to this continent but "documentation" is always the fly in the ointmen= t as to weather any of this items actually made it into the Rocky Mts, pr= oper, during the fur trade.  If anyone comes up with some notew= orthy documentation I'm really interested.  This could cause some he= avy digging.
Mike Powell
Fort Henry, on the Snake, = country.    
 
= ----- Original Message -----
From: Wind Walker
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:37 AM
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=
Subject: MtMan-List: Fire Piston = history correct
 
Has any reference been found as= to if the early mountain man, ever carried a Fire Piston?
<= DIV>Its within the time frame, and was used in early Virgi= nia.
I know books always refer to flint/= steel... But I believe HBC sold a early piston...
Anybody have info on such?
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------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C1DCFD.B249C460-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: MtMan-List: From: Date: 05 Apr 2002 22:22:17 -0700 (MST) Windwalker, Marbles, A.R.Harding, reflector ovens, Calvin Rutstrum!!!!You are a true romantic! For those who don't know about these things, they are classic trapping names. Calvin Rutstrum is my favorite outdoor author. Now, I consider all good trappers my brother (not outlaw trappers) no matter what era. But I'm going to try and keep my discussions to pre-1850. Its tough to do to as even with all our modern gear trapping is still a hard job requiring a lot of woods savy and skill. Still the bond between modern trappers and our brothers of two centuries ago is strong. I keep mentioning for anyone wanting to trap critters to join and take a trapping associaton course. I also hope everyone on the list is in the NRA and they should join their state trapping association to help support them. You may not trap but some day you may want to catch one beaver and they are the only ones fighting for our rights. Remember our whole era revolved around the beaver trapper or people who dealt with them. Windwalker, nonresidents cannot trap furbearers in Montana. You will be near water but it may be solid ice! Ice went off and on many times this winter on the Missouri. My river the SUN just thawed out one week ago. Been frozen solid since november. Those are some tough beaver living under the ice that long, what a life. I have two big hogs so far but only have a few traps out. The fur is prime still as the water is ice cold, this I know firsthand. Its still always better to take fur too early then too late but always during the set seasons. Sincerely, Greg aka Castor Garcon (beaverboy) ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Branson Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Too Quiet Date: 07 Apr 2002 21:07:33 -0700 (PDT) --0-1471044178-1018238853=:53581 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll send this again since I haven't received any notice as to whether anyone got it?? Ken Thomas Books has a 1951 1st edition of "The West of Alfred Jacob Miller" for sale. Contact him at Kenthomasbooks.com Michael Branson Phyllis and Don Keas wrote: Since things have been sort of quiet for a while now, here goes: Been looking at Alfred Jacob Miller's paintings and noticed something. Look at his painting titled "Our Camp". In the right hand side, is that a drawing of a one pole tent? I don't see any smoke flaps nor a bonnet of poles. So is it or isn't it in 1837? The original hangs in the museum in Cody, so if anyone wants to go look at it, who knows? Nothing like stirring things up. Don ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax --0-1471044178-1018238853=:53581 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I'll send this again since I haven't received any notice as to whether anyone got it?? Ken Thomas Books has a 1951 1st edition of "The West of Alfred Jacob Miller" for sale. Contact him at Kenthomasbooks.com

Michael Branson

  Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com> wrote:

Since things have been sort of quiet for a while now, here goes:

Been looking at Alfred Jacob Miller's paintings and noticed something. Look at his painting titled "Our Camp". In the right hand side, is that a drawing of a one pole tent? I don't see any smoke flaps nor a bonnet of poles. So is it or isn't it in 1837?
The original hangs in the museum in Cody, so if anyone wants to go look at it, who knows?

Nothing like stirring things up. Don

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Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax --0-1471044178-1018238853=:53581-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "WindWalker" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Too Quiet Date: 07 Apr 2002 22:35:49 -0400 One pole tents were common in Rev War.. it makes sense that alot of gear was carried west procured from "unknown places" Note: Keelboat Crews were for the most part a breed apart.. so its hard to tell what they picked up.. and if we are talking about missouri River trips then St Louis had a real abundance "of gear' about Note alot was french and spanish... *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/6/02 at 8:12 PM Phyllis and Don Keas wrote: >Since things have been sort of quiet for a while now, here goes: > >Been looking at Alfred Jacob Miller's paintings and noticed something. >Look at his painting titled "Our Camp". In the right hand side, is that >a drawing of a one pole tent? I don't see any smoke flaps nor a bonnet of >poles. So is it or isn't it in 1837? >The original hangs in the museum in Cody, so if anyone wants to go look at >it, who knows? > >Nothing like stirring things up. Don > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gretchen H. Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Spring (Kinda OT) Date: 07 Apr 2002 20:48:17 -0600 Today was sunny and warm. It was a good day to put the sneak on a couple of rock chucks then go over and track them, crawling through the mud and horse shit. It was a good day to turn six years old. It was a good day to be the father of a first class, six year old stalker and tracker. I aint a praying man but that's my prayer Wynn Ormond ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gretchen H. Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinning Date: 07 Apr 2002 20:36:14 -0600 "louann,peter" wrote: > hello, > i saw your information on tinning. my question is how hot is the > item to be that is going to be tinned. > > > louann & peter vansant Ms. Vansant I am afraid you have not given us enough information to know where you are coming from or to what you refer too. I am not a tin expert by any means but I assume that what you refer to could be best answered by saying that it needs to be hot enough to melt the solder or keep it molten long enough to get a coating all the way around it. Perhaps someone smarter than I will see this post and help us out. But speakin' of tin I have a shiny new tinware cook set and I am wondering how to get it seasoned properly? Wynn Ormond ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: was Too Quiet now Pyramid Tents Date: 07 Apr 2002 14:29:29 EDT --part1_145.c7073fc.29e1ea09_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/6/2002 10:08:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pdkeas@market1.com writes: > is that a drawing of a one pole tent? Don, IIRC, it's this painting (Our Camp) that has been the basis for allowing pyramid tents at many a Rendezvous. Barney --part1_145.c7073fc.29e1ea09_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/6/2002 10:08:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pdkeas@market1.com writes:


is that a drawing of a one pole tent?


Don, IIRC, it's this painting (Our Camp) that has been the basis for allowing pyramid tents at many a Rendezvous. Barney --part1_145.c7073fc.29e1ea09_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Medallions Date: 07 Apr 2002 14:24:52 EDT --part1_95.1a85ce40.29e1e8f4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/6/2002 10:04:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, amm1769@hotmail.com writes: > Joann Ford who makes the medallions for that Rendezvous as will as others Joann makes the medallions for the Laguna Mountain and Manzanita Rondy's here in SoCal, and she has always does a FINE job for us. Her phone number is (406) 446-1307, address is P. O. Box 326, Red Lodge, Montana 59068. Barney --part1_95.1a85ce40.29e1e8f4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/6/2002 10:04:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, amm1769@hotmail.com writes:

Joann Ford who makes the medallions for that Rendezvous as will as others



Joann makes the medallions for the Laguna Mountain and Manzanita Rondy's here in SoCal, and she has always does a FINE job for us.

Her phone number is  (406) 446-1307, address is P. O. Box 326, Red Lodge, Montana 59068.

Barney
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Please respond offlist!! -C.Kent ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FrankF" Subject: MtMan-List: another pot-stirrer on horns Date: 07 Apr 2002 10:11:50 -0500 A while back someone mentioned buff horns being the most common amongst original RMFT types. OK now, does that make a current day reenactor 'inappropriate' if his powderhorn is made from cow? Methinks (yeah, there I go again, Roger) that many cow horns were brought by these guys when they came from homes in the east, traders brought them and others found their way into the mountains from the semi-wild Spanish cattle breeds in New Mexico and Texas country. Also, how common might wild goat and mountain sheep horns might be? What is in the various fur trade museums? Fire away. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FrankF" Subject: MtMan-List: powderhorns Date: 07 Apr 2002 10:04:46 -0500 Hawk mentioned, "day horns" Hey pard, Wat is a 'day horn'? Does one change horns come evening time like a proper lady changes her attire? :-) Do ye use a different horn at night? And ye'all might want to take at look at what a new member to my little e-group is offering. He lives in Arkansas. http://www.geocities.com/sebryan0606/howlingwolfpowderhorns.html Some mighty attractive work. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FrankF" Subject: MtMan-List: one polers Date: 07 Apr 2002 09:56:19 -0500 Don said, Don, I sure would be glad to have this question settled. Not that one image in one painting would settle anything but it would help. Last event I went to, of about 200 camps, only a half dozen tee-pees, lots of marquees, lots and lots of one-polers, including mine, mebbe one or two diamond flys, one or two thrown together almost-shelters. Not a single open-face half-shelter made with hides. Oh, well. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phyllis and Don Keas Subject: Re: MtMan-List: one polers Date: 09 Apr 2002 17:41:50 -0600 Let's see what others say. Don On Monday, May 26, 1941, FrankF wrote: > Don said, > =3D >Look at his painting titled "Our Camp". In the right hand side, is that = =3D >a drawing of a one pole tent?> > Don, I sure would be glad to have this question settled. Not that = one >image in one painting would settle anything but it would help. > Last event I went to, of about 200 camps, only a half dozen tee-pees, >lots of marquees, lots and lots of one-polers, including mine, mebbe one = or >two diamond flys, one or two thrown together almost-shelters. Not a = single >open-face half-shelter made with hides. Oh, well. >Frank G. Fusco >Mountain Home, Arkansas >http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: >http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent? Date: 09 Apr 2002 18:10:53 EDT --part1_116.f5fad55.29e4c0ed_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We have been talking about this tent on the AMM list and thought this share this with you. This tent is in the painting Our Camp by Miller have a look and see what you think. Take a look at: http://www.cartogra.com/home/ViewMyAlbum.asp?coll_id=1499462 Click on "look at my album"to get even a better look at it. 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We have been talking about this tent on the AMM list and thought this share this with you.
This tent is in the painting Our Camp by Miller have a look and see what you think.
Take a look at:
http://www.cartogra.com/home/ViewMyAlbum.asp?coll_id=1499462
Click on "look at my album"to get even a better look at it.
See ya on the trail
Crazy Cyot --part1_116.f5fad55.29e4c0ed_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: postponed rendezvous Date: 09 Apr 2002 06:15:31 -0500 Anybody on the list planning to attend the Comanche Peak Muzzleloaders spring rendezvous down in Texas please read the following: COMANCHE PEAK MUZZLELOADERS SPRING RENDEZVOUS that was scheduled for this weekend, (April 12 - 14) has been postponed till MAY 10 - 12, 2002 due to high water. We have lost all access to the camp with the recent rains, and the forecast was not looking like any relief was in sight. Mother Nature won this round! So PLEASE add the MAY date to your calendars and join us for RENDEZVOUS. Lanney Ratcliff ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Glover Subject: MtMan-List: The West Of Alfred Jacob Miller auction update Date: 08 Apr 2002 20:12:37 -0600 Hello all, To date Tom Roberts has the high bid of $75.00. Bidding ends this friday "Teton" Todd D. Glover #1784 http://poisonriverparty.homestead.com ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rtlahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: another pot-stirrer on horns Date: 08 Apr 2002 09:04:21 -0700 Yup there you go again Frank. What was said was that a buff horn would more likely be used out west than back east. But that is only speculation considering the pictures and sketches that depict such. Nothing was said about cow horns not being appropriate. The basic premise being that if one were portraying back east, then a cow horn would be more common, not that buffalo didn't exist back east. I personally think it is not any big deal as far as anything but a very persnickety back east juried event would be concerned. I'm sure Mt men carried both. I haven't seen many wild goat or mountain sheep horns. Have you? Don't look like they would make very good horns. But I guess if someone wanted to make one it would be a good conversation piece. Capt. Lahti ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "WindWalker" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: From: Date: 08 Apr 2002 09:10:00 -0400 I own property in MT, so therefore I can trap and get regular license *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/5/02 at 10:22 PM owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com wrote: >Windwalker, > Marbles, A.R.Harding, reflector ovens, Calvin Rutstrum!!!!You are a >true romantic! For those who don't know about these things, they are >classic trapping names. Calvin Rutstrum is my favorite outdoor author. > Now, I consider all good trappers my brother (not outlaw trappers) no >matter what era. But I'm going to try and keep my discussions to pre-1850. >Its tough to do to as even with all our modern gear trapping is still a >hard job requiring a lot of woods savy and skill. Still the bond between >modern trappers and our brothers of two centuries ago is strong. > I keep mentioning for anyone wanting to trap critters to join and take >a trapping associaton course. I also hope everyone on the list is in the >NRA and they should join their state trapping association to help support >them. You may not trap but some day you may want to catch one beaver and >they are the only ones fighting for our rights. Remember our whole era >revolved around the beaver trapper or people who dealt with them. > Windwalker, nonresidents cannot trap furbearers in Montana. You will be >near water but it may be solid ice! Ice went off and on many times this >winter on the Missouri. My river the SUN just thawed out one week ago. >Been frozen solid since november. Those are some tough beaver living under >the ice that long, what a life. > I have two big hogs so far but only have a few traps out. The fur is >prime still as the water is ice cold, this I know firsthand. Its still >always better to take fur too early then too late but always during the= set >seasons. > Sincerely, Greg aka Castor Garcon (beaverboy) > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim J." Subject: Re: MtMan-List: another pot-stirrer on horns Date: 08 Apr 2002 04:15:44 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- > A while back someone mentioned buff horns being the most common amongst > original RMFT types. > OK now, does that make a current day reenactor 'inappropriate' if his > powderhorn is made from cow? Hello Liste, I had always assumed that buffalo horns were more appropriate until I started looking into this. After an admittedly short look my initial assumption is under question. I searched the Mountain Man site (thanks again Dean) and found NO references to buffalo horns, or any other specific type of horn, for powder. Every reference I found was simply to powder horns. I also checked my small library and found no powder horns specified as buffalo horn (note: I don't have any books about that deal with just horns). O.K.... given the above I came up wit these thoughts. I found no references to powder horns being made by the mountain men themselves. If, at this point, you assume most horns were brought in from settled areas, it would seem cow horn would be the most prevalent material. By this point in time the woodland buffalo were gone, so there was no supply of buffalo horn in the east. Market hunting was still a couple of decades away. The only reference to any buffalo parts being shipped back to the settlements was for hides and that was very late in our time period. Am I on the wrong track here? YMHOS, Tim P.S. I saw brass mounted powder horns and powder flasks being sent to the mountains. Any thoughts on what these may have looked like? ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinning Date: 07 Apr 2002 21:43:35 -0700 Wynn, Use it? hardtack > But speakin' of tin I have a shiny new tinware cook set and I am wondering > how to get it seasoned properly? > > Wynn Ormond > --- Randal Bublitz --- rjbublitz@earthlink.net we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers, we are Borrowing it ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent? Date: 09 Apr 2002 21:42:43 -0400 Well, the pix is a little fuzzy, and I can't see if the sides are "squared", but it do look like a One Pole to me... Regards, Ad Miller ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent? Date: 09 Apr 2002 22:50:56 -0400 --------------C32F03D31EA92C6D87008F3C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could be, but it could also be the back end part of the "bell" on a French or English wedge tent. Linda Holley GazeingCyot@cs.com wrote: > > We have been talking about this tent on the AMM list and > thought this share this with you. > This tent is in the painting Our Camp by Miller have a look and > see what you think. --------------C32F03D31EA92C6D87008F3C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could be, but it could also be the back end part of the "bell" on a French or English wedge tent.

Linda Holley

GazeingCyot@cs.com wrote:

 
We have been talking about this tent on the AMM list and thought this share this with you.
This tent is in the painting Our Camp by Miller have a look and see what you think.
--------------C32F03D31EA92C6D87008F3C-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: another pot-stirrer on horns Date: 09 Apr 2002 22:49:40 EDT Well, I'll step up to the plate and say, I was the one who mentioned in an earlier post that in my OPINION "you cant go wrong with a buffalo horn" for RMFT, I also searched files and found no particular mention of buffalo or cow horns in trade list, they simple list powder horns. frank sablan odessa,texas ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: powderhorns Date: 08 Apr 2002 17:34:57 -0500 frank and list---have heard and used the term day horn many years---it is a small horn that holds only enough powder for about one day of hunting especially with a big bore rifle---most of the day horns i make are less than 8" long and hold about enough powder for about 6 or 8 shots in my hunting rifle and with my squirrel rifle about double that---hope that answers your question---my big horn holds about 1 1/2 lb of powder and i dont like halling it thru the woods when i only need one or 2 shots worth---just that simple frank---again hope i answered your question--- Nuff said--- "HAWK" Michael Pierce Home of "Old Grizz Products" & "the Arkansas Under Hammers" 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor Florida 34684 Phone:1-727-771-1815 e-mail: hawknest4@juno.com web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent? Date: 10 Apr 2002 02:13:08 EDT --part1_17a.66e1fa8.29e531f4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda ya might want to go back and have another look. I've added another picture that shows "I think" the front of this tent. It's the second picture back it is from the painting Camp on the Prairie. My thanks to Tom Roberts for the picture. Click on my album then in the upper right hand corner you will see an arrow the will take you to the next page where this picture is. http://www.cartogra.com/home/ViewMyAlbum.asp?coll_id=1499462 see ya in a one pole (G) crazy --part1_17a.66e1fa8.29e531f4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda
ya might want to go back and have another look. I've added another picture that shows "I think" the front of this tent. It's the second picture back it is from the painting Camp on the Prairie. My thanks to Tom Roberts for the picture.
Click on my album then in the upper right hand corner you will see an arrow the will  take you to the next page where this picture is.
http://www.cartogra.com/home/ViewMyAlbum.asp?coll_id=1499462
see ya in a one pole (G)
crazy --part1_17a.66e1fa8.29e531f4_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "WindWalker" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: powderhorns Date: 10 Apr 2002 02:13:06 -0400 I have to get into this Our people did not alway have access to "horns" nor did Western Clans.. They carried power in anything they could {alot of gourds used} accorns were used to hold priming charges for battle.. White Men used "horns" and as our family was in Indian Wars {REV} and then moved west to escape white culture western clans found need to use horns. power was carried like English shot in pouches TILL a water proof need was seen. Wood and brass powder "horns" was used by early St Louis trade{ carry over from spanish} Ive seen first hand powder carriers made from leg bones of Buff and deer.. In fact whites and natives used anything at hand..... And reading books and looking at pictures is not always the way it was.... although horns were used.. and on east coast from cows.. and most likely from oxen its what was at hand.. not what was accepted in early 1800,s Dont forget alot of Mountain men had English Familys and therefore they did as they did in Rev War... and adapted to waht Brits did....and copied from that Not every Mountain Man or trapper carried a horn NO WAY...... myself when in Rondy, all mine is pre measured.. hell even Boone had loads pre done BUT priming was from from"horn" and tip I might ad.. {records Defiance Mo} In theory no trapper would carry a full horn and thus rish his supply..... would you??? would you pre measure if in bad country?? I would.... Look at the roots of all familys of the men who went trapping anf the Mountain man Route... there is where you find what they was learned of.. YES they used horns... But that was not the rule nor was it waht they left in Mandan Camps.... my thoughts. HAWK I cant get you email ! server keeps returning ! We need to do a hog hunt soon S.Windwalker and if i get any flame over this post... One thing... Remember Custer {grin} *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/8/02 at 5:34 PM hawknest4@juno.com wrote: >frank and list---have heard and used the term day horn many years---it is >a small horn that holds only enough powder for about one day of hunting >especially with a big bore rifle---most of the day horns i make are less >than 8" long and hold about enough powder for about 6 or 8 shots in my >hunting rifle and with my squirrel rifle about double that---hope that >answers your question---my big horn holds about 1 1/2 lb of powder and i >dont like halling it thru the woods when i only need one or 2 shots >worth---just that simple frank---again hope i answered your question--- > >Nuff said--- > >"HAWK" >Michael Pierce Home of "Old Grizz Products" & "the Arkansas Under >Hammers" >854 Glenfield Dr. >Palm Harbor Florida 34684 Phone:1-727-771-1815 >e-mail: hawknest4@juno.com web site: >http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimInTexas1962@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: postponed rendezvous Date: 10 Apr 2002 07:00:59 EDT --part1_c1.1ee9fb7e.29e5756b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was not aware of this rondy! would like more info on it if possible.where is it to be held?Any special requirements ect......? Thanks in advance Jim Branson JinInTexas1962@aol.com --part1_c1.1ee9fb7e.29e5756b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was not aware of this rondy! would like more info on it if possible.where is it to be held?Any special requirements ect......?
Thanks in advance
                                                        Jim Branson
                                              JinInTexas1962@aol.com --part1_c1.1ee9fb7e.29e5756b_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent? Date: 10 Apr 2002 17:52:59 -0400 --------------8DF520178B952A6D09304C62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did, but the pictures are hazy as is much of his work. If it were a one pole structure, I would say it is a round style rather than the 4 sides shepherds style we see at events. But the wedge tent, where we see the front maybe be pitched next to another wedge with the rounded back facing the other way. I have done this many times to give me more privacy. Unfortunately, very little can be determined from this picture. I have been trying to get his sketches which were more of a field note before he make his paintings. From what he drew on the plains, changed when he got to the studio. Linda Holley GazeingCyot@cs.com wrote: > Linda > ya might want to go back and have another look. I've added > another picture that shows "I think" the front of this tent. > It's the second picture back it is from the painting Camp on > the Prairie. My thanks to Tom Roberts for the picture. > Click on my album then in the upper right hand corner you will > see an arrow the will take you to the next page where this > picture is. > http://www.cartogra.com/home/ViewMyAlbum.asp?coll_id=1499462 > see ya in a one pole (G) > crazy --------------8DF520178B952A6D09304C62 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did, but the pictures are hazy as is much of his work.  If it were a one pole structure, I would say it is a round style rather than the 4 sides shepherds style we see at events.  But the wedge tent, where we see the front maybe be pitched next to another wedge with the rounded back facing the other way.  I have done this many times to give me more privacy.

Unfortunately, very little can be determined from this picture.  I have been trying to get his sketches which were more of a field note before he make his paintings.  From what he drew on the plains, changed when he got to the studio.

Linda Holley

GazeingCyot@cs.com wrote:

Linda
ya might want to go back and have another look. I've added another picture that shows "I think" the front of this tent. It's the second picture back it is from the painting Camp on the Prairie. My thanks to Tom Roberts for the picture.
Click on my album then in the upper right hand corner you will see an arrow the will  take you to the next page where this picture is.
http://www.cartogra.com/home/ViewMyAlbum.asp?coll_id=1499462
see ya in a one pole (G)
crazy
--------------8DF520178B952A6D09304C62-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jdearing Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Too Quiet Date: 10 Apr 2002 18:11:03 -0500 >One pole tents were common in Rev War.. >it makes sense that alot of gear was carried west Hmmmm, what type of one pole tent was available during the Rev War? The only one pole I am aware of was a belle of arms. A small tent just big enough to stack arms, but not nearly big enough to sleep in, nor even big enough to turn around in. Just barely enough room for a stack of muskets standing upright. I would like to see any documentation you have for one pole tents, other than the belle of arms, in the Rev War period. J.D. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phyllis and Don Keas Subject: Re: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent? Date: 10 Apr 2002 18:58:49 -0600 Having trouble seeing that. Don On Wednesday, May 28, 1941, Linda Holley wrote: > Could be, but it could also be the back end part of the "bell" >on a French or English wedge tent. >Linda Holley >GazeingCyot@cs.com wrote: >=A0 >We have been talking about this tent on the AMM list and thought this = share this with you. >This tent is in the painting Our Camp by Miller have a look and >see what you think. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hawkengun@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent? Date: 10 Apr 2002 20:52:51 EDT I think it looks like a four cornered pyramid tent to me--the type that wasn't "supposed" to have been out west until Francis Parkman brought one out in the late 1840s. And the one from the A.J. Miller painting looks pretty tall and wide, too, maybe 10x10 or bigger. We may have a new period tent to add to the 1830s list of camp equipage. John R. Sweet ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hawkengun@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent? Date: 10 Apr 2002 20:57:46 EDT I don't think it looks very round, and I believe that it takes a lot of imagination to see it as "the back end part of the 'bell' on a French or English wedge tent".... I'm seeing a pyramid ("shephards") tent. Another long accepted no ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent? Date: 10 Apr 2002 21:01:31 -0400 I would have trouble with the 4 corner effect because the painting reflects a curve in the lighting and not so much a flat surface, if shading looks right. As an artist, curves are many times pictured as Miller has painted. This is why I would like to see the field sketches. You really cannot tell much from the painting details....they are so vague. If anything, it does look like a Bell of Arms or the end of a bell wedge tent. But these are all opinions. Just haven't seen any good documentation of one pole tents during this early time period. Linda Holley Hawkengun@aol.com wrote: > I think it looks like a four cornered pyramid tent to me--the type that > wasn't "supposed" to have been out west until Francis Parkman brought one out > in the late 1840s. And the one from the A.J. Miller painting looks pretty > tall and wide, too, maybe 10x10 or bigger. We may have a new period tent to > add to the 1830s list of camp equipage. > > John R. Sweet > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Branson Subject: Re: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent? Date: 10 Apr 2002 19:49:52 -0700 (PDT) --0-583096503-1018493392=:91667 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii But some are dead and some are gone, And some are scattered and alone, And some are in a far countrie, And some all restlessly at home; But never more, ah! never we shall meet to revel and to roam. This poem is attached to the Miller painting on page 197 of "The West of Alfred Jacob Miller" This painting is titled: Catching Up. The POV is from Mnsieur Proveau's one pole tent on the left side of the painting. The tent definitely looks like a one pole and it looks to be about 9-10 feet tall compared to the men standing around it. There appear to be several mess fires going and the men are driving in the horses to picket them for the night. Check it out. Michael Branson Linda Holley wrote: I did, but the pictures are hazy as is much of his work. If it were a one pole structure, I would say it is a round style rather than the 4 sides shepherds style we see at events. But the wedge tent, where we see the front maybe be pitched next to another wedge with the rounded back facing the other way. I have done this many times to give me more privacy. Unfortunately, very little can be determined from this picture. I have been trying to get his sketches which were more of a field note before he make his paintings. From what he drew on the plains, changed when he got to the studio. Linda Holley GazeingCyot@cs.com wrote: Linda ya might want to go back and have another look. I've added another picture that shows "I think" the front of this tent. It's the second picture back it is from the painting Camp on the Prairie. My thanks to Tom Roberts for the picture. Click on my album then in the upper right hand corner you will see an arrow the will take you to the next page where this picture is. http://www.cartogra.com/home/ViewMyAlbum.asp?coll_id=1499462 see ya in a one pole (G) crazy Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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But some are dead and some are gone,

And some are scattered and alone,

And some are in a far countrie,

And some all restlessly at home;

But never more, ah! never we

shall meet to revel and to roam.

This poem is attached to the Miller painting on page 197 of "The West of Alfred Jacob Miller"

This painting is titled: Catching Up. The POV is from Mnsieur Proveau's one pole tent on the left side of the painting. The tent definitely looks like a one pole and it looks to be about 9-10 feet tall compared to the men standing around it. There appear to be several mess fires going and the men are driving in the horses to picket them for the night. Check it out.

Michael Branson

 

  Linda Holley <tipis@attbi.com> wrote:

I did, but the pictures are hazy as is much of his work.  If it were a one pole structure, I would say it is a round style rather than the 4 sides shepherds style we see at events.  But the wedge tent, where we see the front maybe be pitched next to another wedge with the rounded back facing the other way.  I have done this many times to give me more privacy.

Unfortunately, very little can be determined from this picture.  I have been trying to get his sketches which were more of a field note before he make his paintings.  From what he drew on the plains, changed when he got to the studio.

Linda Holley

GazeingCyot@cs.com wrote:

Linda
ya might want to go back and have another look. I've added another picture that shows "I think" the front of this tent. It's the second picture back it is from the painting Camp on the Prairie. My thanks to Tom Roberts for the picture.
Click on my album then in the upper right hand corner you will see an arrow the will  take you to the next page where this picture is.
http://www.cartogra.com/home/ViewMyAlbum.asp?coll_id=1499462
see ya in a one pole (G)
crazy


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Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax --0-583096503-1018493392=:91667-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Powell" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: another pot-stirrer on horns Date: 10 Apr 2002 22:06:25 -0600 ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1E0DB.F4E82A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Capt., (Don't mean to be a pot stirrer but FYI) You know, come to think of it, the big horn sheep horns and mountain goat= horns were actually used more for bow limbs than for containers. I've s= een some real pretty bows made from horn, both authentic and repos. I've= also seen some nice containers made out of antelope horn. The thing to = remember is that cow horn is more like fingernail/plastic and is more eas= ily boiled and molded to a shape where buffalo and antelope is hardened h= air and needs more polishing to get the hair grain from rising. And then= you need to keep it lightly oiled. I carry a buff powder horn patterned= after the Miller sketches and love it. Mike Powell =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 7:22 PM =20 Yup there you go again Frank. What was said was that a buff horn would mo= re likely be used out west than back east. But that is only speculation considering the pictures and sketches that depict such. Nothing was said about cow horns not being appropriate. The basic premise being that if on= e were portraying back east, then a cow horn would be more common, not that buffalo didn't exist back east. I personally think it is not any big deal= as far as anything but a very persnickety back east juried event would be concerned. I'm sure Mt men carried both. I haven't seen many wild goat or mountain sheep horns. Have you? Don't lo= ok like they would make very good horns. But I guess if someone wanted to ma= ke one it would be a good conversation piece. Capt. Lahti ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.htmlGe= t more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.co= m ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1E0DB.F4E82A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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<= DIV>(Don't mean to be a pot stirrer but FYI)
You know= , come to think of it, the big horn sheep horns and mountain goat ho= rns were actually used more for bow limbs than for containers.  I've= seen some real pretty bows made from horn, both authentic and repos= .  I've also seen some nice containers made out of antelope hor= n.  The thing to remember is that cow horn is more like fingernail/p= lastic and is more easily boiled and molded to a shape where buffalo and = antelope is hardened hair and needs more polishing to get the hair g= rain from rising.  And then you need to keep it lightly oiled. = I carry a buff powder horn patterned after the Miller sketches and = love it.
Mike Powell 
 
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Subject:= Re: MtMan-List: another pot-stirrer on horns
 
Yup = there you go again Frank. What was said was that a buff horn would morelikely be used out west than back east. But that is only speculationconsidering the pictures and sketches that depict such. Nothing was said=
about cow horns not being appropriate. The basic premise being that i= f one
were portraying back east, then a cow horn would be more common,= not that
buffalo didn't exist back east. I personally think it is not= any big deal as
far as anything but a very persnickety back east juri= ed event would be
concerned. I'm sure Mt men carried both.

I ha= ven't seen many wild goat or mountain sheep horns. Have you? Don't looklike they would make very good horns. But I guess if someone wanted to = make
one it would be a good conversation piece.

Capt. Lahti
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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1E0DB.F4E82A00-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent? Date: 11 Apr 2002 01:28:24 EDT --part1_87.19eab1a6.29e678f8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda said: . If anything, it does look like a Bell of Arms or the end of a bell wedge tent. But these are all opinions. Just haven't seen any good documentation of one pole tents during this early time period. A bell of Arms was much smaller it was made to store Guns in and that is all. This tent is much to large for that. What's that black round spot on the back of that bell of the wedge tent for? Looks like a door to me. This is on the tent from Camp on the Prairie; there is enough details if one wants to see them. Sorry boys but I will have to agree on one thing there is enough detail to tell it's round and not flat like a pyramid. As for having not seen any good documentation of one pole tents during this early time period. I thought that is what we are doing here is looking at documentation. Now I'm not saying that every or any trappers used them, but it seems Stewart had one with him. That's the way my stick floats Crazy Cyot --part1_87.19eab1a6.29e678f8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda said:
.  If anything, it does look like a Bell of Arms or the end of a bell wedge tent.  But these are all opinions.  Just haven't
seen any good documentation of one pole tents during this early time period.

A bell of Arms was much smaller it was made to store Guns in and that is all. This tent is much to large for that. What's that black round spot on the back of that bell of the wedge tent for? Looks like a door to me. This is on the tent from Camp on the Prairie; there is enough details if one wants to see them.
Sorry boys but I will have to agree on one thing there is enough detail to tell it's round and not flat like a pyramid.
As for having not seen any good documentation of one pole tents during this early time period. I thought that is what we are doing here is looking at documentation.
Now I'm not saying that every or any trappers used them, but it seems Stewart had one with him.
That's the way my stick floats
Crazy Cyot




--part1_87.19eab1a6.29e678f8_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Powell" Subject: MtMan-List: Miller Painting Date: 10 Apr 2002 23:34:51 -0600 ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1E0E8.4F9B5920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Crazy, I'm not sure what Miller book you have, but I did find "Our Camp" in both= The West of Alfred Jacob Miller (in black and white) and it doesn't show= the tent in question. However, in the other Miller book Alfred Jacob Mi= ller: Artist on the Oregon Trail it does show the color version of the on= e pole of which you speak and I do agree with you on what I see there. T= he painting entitled "Catching Up" is in both books but is entitled "Attr= apez des Chevaux" and is plate #29 in Artist on the Oregon Trail. It's n= ice having both books in order to compare because there are differences a= nd similarities. Mike Powell AMM #1769 POISON RIVER PARTY "Ride, Ride, Ride" "Aux Aliments du Pays"!Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download= : http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1E0E8.4F9B5920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Crazy,
<= DIV>I'm not sure what Miller book you have, but I did find "Our Camp" in = both The West of Alfred Jacob Miller (in black and white) and it= doesn't show the tent in question.  However, in the other Miller bo= ok Alfred Jacob Miller: Artist on the Oregon Trail it does show = the color version of the one pole of which you speak and I do agree with = you on what I see there.  The painting entitled "Catching Up" is&nbs= p;in both books but is entitled "Attrapez des Chevaux" and is plate #29 i= n Artist on the Oregon Trail.  It's nice having both books in order = to compare because there are differences and similarities.
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------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1E0E8.4F9B5920-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rtlahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent? Date: 10 Apr 2002 23:30:46 -0700 Linda, I have to agree with your basic perceptions. I also see either seam lines or more likely the "pressure" of poles pushing against the canvas. I don't think it is a bell on the back of a tent or square. Rather round from what is shown. Capt. Lahti' ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 6:01 PM > I would have trouble with the 4 corner effect because the painting reflects a > curve in the lighting and not so much a flat surface, if shading looks right. As > an artist, curves are many times pictured as Miller has painted. This is why I > would like to see the field sketches. You really cannot tell much from the > painting details....they are so vague. If anything, it does look like a Bell of > Arms or the end of a bell wedge tent. But these are all opinions. Just haven't > seen any good documentation of one pole tents during this early time period. > > Linda Holley > > Hawkengun@aol.com wrote: > > > I think it looks like a four cornered pyramid tent to me--the type that > > wasn't "supposed" to have been out west until Francis Parkman brought one out > > in the late 1840s. And the one from the A.J. Miller painting looks pretty > > tall and wide, too, maybe 10x10 or bigger. We may have a new period tent to > > add to the 1830s list of camp equipage. > > > > John R. Sweet > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rtlahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: another pot-stirrer on horns Date: 10 Apr 2002 23:41:11 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1E0E9.32627680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, Can't help but agree with what you say about how Mt. Sheep and Goat = horns were used. All horn that forms around a core is for all intents = and purposes hair. Otherwise it is antler and is basically bone. Some = types work better for some purposes than others. Buffalo horn as a = powder horn material is new to me, I'm finishing up my first as we speak = and I agree that it is much more "grainy" than cow. I'll take your = admonishment to heart when I go to finish it. I have already noticed that there are spaces/cracks in the outer and = oldest part of the material that need to be scraped down past. Most cow = horn seems to be more homogenous and "plastic" like, as you say. But = it's all hair same as finger nails and toe nails. Just in a different = form as I understand it. Luckily only my hair seems to want to fall out. = YMOS Capt. Lahti' ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Powell=20 To: History List=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:06 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: another pot-stirrer on horns Capt., (Don't mean to be a pot stirrer but FYI) You know, come to think of it, the big horn sheep horns and mountain = goat horns were actually used more for bow limbs than for containers. = I've seen some real pretty bows made from horn, both authentic and = repos. I've also seen some nice containers made out of antelope horn. = The thing to remember is that cow horn is more like fingernail/plastic = and is more easily boiled and molded to a shape where buffalo and = antelope is hardened hair and needs more polishing to get the hair grain = from rising. And then you need to keep it lightly oiled. I carry a = buff powder horn patterned after the Miller sketches and love it. Mike Powell=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: rtlahti Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 7:22 PM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: another pot-stirrer on horns Yup there you go again Frank. What was said was that a buff horn = would more likely be used out west than back east. But that is only speculation considering the pictures and sketches that depict such. Nothing was = said about cow horns not being appropriate. The basic premise being that = if one were portraying back east, then a cow horn would be more common, not = that buffalo didn't exist back east. I personally think it is not any big = deal as far as anything but a very persnickety back east juried event would = be concerned. I'm sure Mt men carried both. I haven't seen many wild goat or mountain sheep horns. Have you? = Don't look like they would make very good horns. But I guess if someone wanted = to make one it would be a good conversation piece. Capt. 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Can't help but agree with what you say about how = Mt. Sheep=20 and Goat horns were used. All horn that forms around a core is for all = intents=20 and purposes hair. Otherwise it is antler and is basically bone. Some = types work=20 better for some purposes than others. Buffalo horn as a powder horn = material is=20 new to me, I'm finishing up my first as we speak and I agree that it is = much=20 more "grainy" than cow. I'll take your admonishment to heart when = I go to=20 finish it.
 
 I have already noticed that there are = spaces/cracks=20 in the outer and oldest part of the material that need to be scraped = down past.=20 Most cow horn seems to be more homogenous and "plastic" like, as  = you say.=20 But it's all hair same as finger nails and toe nails. Just in a = different form=20 as I understand it. Luckily only my hair seems to want to fall out.=20 <G>
 
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael=20 Powell
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 = 9:06=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = another=20 pot-stirrer on horns

Capt.,
(Don't mean to be a pot stirrer but FYI)
You know, come to think of it, the big horn sheep horns and = mountain=20 goat horns were actually used more for bow limbs than for = containers. =20 I've seen some real pretty bows made from horn, both authentic = and=20 repos.  I've also seen some nice containers made out of=20 antelope horn.  The thing to remember is that cow horn is = more like=20 fingernail/plastic and is more easily boiled and molded to a shape = where=20 buffalo and antelope is hardened hair and needs more polishing to = get the=20 hair grain from rising.  And then you need to keep it lightly=20 oiled.  I carry a buff powder horn patterned after the = Miller=20 sketches and love it.
Mike Powell 
 
 
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From:=20 rtlahti
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 = 7:22=20 PM
To: = hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = another=20 pot-stirrer on horns
 
Yup there you go again Frank. What was said was = that a buff=20 horn would more
likely be used out west than back east. But that = is only=20 speculation
considering the pictures and sketches that depict = such.=20 Nothing was said
about cow horns not being appropriate. The basic = premise=20 being that if one
were portraying back east, then a cow horn = would be=20 more common, not that
buffalo didn't exist back east. I = personally think=20 it is not any big deal as
far as anything but a very persnickety = back=20 east juried event would be
concerned. I'm sure Mt men carried=20 both.

I haven't seen many wild goat or mountain sheep horns. = Have=20 you? Don't look
like they would make very good horns. But I guess = if=20 someone wanted to make
one it would be a good conversation=20 piece.

Capt. Lahti

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------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1E0E9.32627680-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ole Jensen Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Too Quiet Date: 11 Apr 2002 10:49:31 -0600 on 4/10/02 5:11 PM, jdearing at jdearing@brick.net wrote: > >> One pole tents were common in Rev War.. >> it makes sense that alot of gear was carried west > > > Hmmmm, what type of one pole tent was available during the Rev War? > > The only one pole I am aware of was a belle of arms. A small tent just big > enough to > stack arms, but not nearly big enough to sleep in, nor even big enough to > turn around in. > Just barely enough room for a stack of muskets standing upright. > > I would like to see any documentation you have for one pole tents, other > than the > belle of arms, in the Rev War period. > > J.D. > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html J.D. The french and english both had a conical one pole tent that would sleep up to 8 men. Ole ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent? Date: 11 Apr 2002 16:24:36 -0400 --------------C8C2250CF905D6B6A87E9F9D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A bell of Arms was much smaller it was made to store Guns in and that is all. This tent is much to large for that. What's that black round spot on the back of that bell of the wedge tent for? Looks like a door to me. This is on the tent from Camp on the Prairie; there is enough details if one wants to see them. What hole, all I see is what is something that looks like a person sitting on a log or rolling up something. Aren't holes round??? There were round types of tents held up by one stick, but they were not 4 sided pyramid tents. I still say that the picture is too fuzzy for a "detail" proof of anything. Would need to see more pictures or writings. Linda Holley --------------C8C2250CF905D6B6A87E9F9D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

A bell of Arms was much smaller it was made to store Guns in and that is all. This tent is much to large for that. What's that black round spot on the back of that bell of the wedge tent for? Looks like a door to me. This is on the tent from Camp on the Prairie; there is enough details if one wants to see them.

What hole, all I see is what is something that looks like a person sitting on a log or rolling up something. Aren't holes round??? There were round types of tents held up by one stick, but they were not 4 sided pyramid tents.   I still say that the picture is too fuzzy for a "detail" proof of anything.  Would need to see more pictures or writings.

Linda Holley --------------C8C2250CF905D6B6A87E9F9D-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (Jon Marinetti) Subject: MtMan-List: Bobcat & Camo Date: 11 Apr 2002 19:47:40 -0400 (EDT) South Carolina: Nesmith - A bobcat attack on a hunter in Williamsburg County was the state's first in at least five years, officials say. The animal pounced on Leon Casselman and clawed his eyes. Bobcats rarely attack humans, a Natural Resouces Department biologist said, but Casselman's camoflage outfit and turkey calls could have confused it. [USA Today, Thurs. 04-11-2002, p.9A] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from Michigan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bobcat & Camo Date: 12 Apr 2002 03:21:19 EDT --part1_aa.9cebb9f.29e7e4ef_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just goes to show if your going to act like a turkey your going to get treated like one. Just an observation from Crazy Cyot --part1_aa.9cebb9f.29e7e4ef_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just goes to show if your going to act like a turkey your going to get treated like one.
Just an observation from
Crazy Cyot --part1_aa.9cebb9f.29e7e4ef_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gretchen H. Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent? Date: 12 Apr 2002 08:00:10 -0600 Linda Holley wrote: > This is why I would like to see the field sketches. You really cannot tell much > from the > painting details....they are so vague. If you think the paintings are disappointingly vague you will not like the original sketches any better. Of those I have seen Miller tried to capture the action not the details. Your lucky to tell that a man has fringe on his arm lst alone what the tent in the background loks like. Wynn Ormond ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent? Date: 12 Apr 2002 7:15:9 -0700 I received my copy of”The west of AJ Miller” yesterday. Wow, lots of pics. There are several pics of wedge tents. In my opinion, those “One Pole Tents” are end views of wedge tents. Just my opinion. hardtcack > [Original Message] > From: Gretchen H. Ormond > To: > Date: 4/12/02 7:00:10 AM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent? > > > > Linda Holley wrote: > > > This is why I would like to see the field sketches. You really cannot tell much > > from the > > painting details....they are so vague. > > If you think the paintings are disappointingly vague you will not like the original > sketches any better. Of those I have seen Miller tried to capture the action not the > details. Your lucky to tell that a man has fringe on his arm lst alone what the tent > in the background loks like. > > Wynn Ormond > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html --- Randal Bublitz --- rjbublitz@earthlink.net we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers, we ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent? Date: 12 Apr 2002 11:44:48 EDT --part1_6a.1e44e038.29e85af0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone live near Cody? "Our Camp" in Miller on the Oregon Trail is in the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody Wy. and is 26 1/2 X 36 in. Roadkill --part1_6a.1e44e038.29e85af0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone live near Cody? "Our Camp" in Miller on the Oregon Trail is in the Buffalo Bill Historical Center  in Cody Wy. and is 26 1/2 X 36 in.
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Friends, this is a cross posting from the AMM list.  The T & LR is the Tomahawk & Long Rifle, the association magazine which is available by subscription to anyone interested.  See  http://www.mtmen.org     For those who don't know - The AMM has purchased a choice little valley (aprox. 160 acres) within the Umcompahgre National Forest in W. Central Colorado.  The AMM intends to preserve this land in its natural state.  We are ensuring that , at least, this piece of land will be preserved for ever.  Please help us achieve our goal.  Any donations are tax deductable, receipt will be sent. 
 
Brothers,     As has been posted, there will be an Auction, to benefit the Land Fund, at the National Rdvs..  The auction will be advertised in the T & LR.  The issue should arrive before the National Rdvs..  There are some nice items donated already.  Anyone can bid, not just AMM members.  Some of the items will be pictured in the T & LR.  If anyone wants to send a bid by e-mail, or snail mail, they may.  The highest bid received before the National Rdvs. will be the starting bid at the National Rdvs. auction.  Send the bids to me, Randy Bublitz 5447 Princeton Dr. Santa Maria, CA 93455, or via e-mail. (or any inquieries) .  Bids must be received by these means before May 20- as I'll be on my way to Rdvs. after that.  If anyone has an item to donate to the Land Fund Auction, please get it to the National before Wed., May 29- as this is the day of the auction.  If you have no other way to get an item to Rdvs., send it to me and I'll bring it along.  The items pledged so far are :
 
1/2 buff. robe-
porcupine hair brush-
decorated awl case-
David Wright Print ' Friend or Foe'-
Walt McCurdy prints-
Buffalo Powder Horn-
90% off airline tickets-
2 brain tanned deer hides-
 
As you can see there is a wide variety of quality donations.  Any thing that you can contribute will be much appreciated.  We can set minimum bids, so if bid isn't met we can save for another time, or donor can have item back to sell themselves, we're flexible. 
    I will be working on getting these items pics. available on line.  Until then, I have photo files I can send e-mail upon request.  I don't have pic of David Wright pic, but do have pics of all else.  Please participate in the auction, as a donor or a bidder. 
PLEASE spread this word among your party, brigade, etc....  
   I'll see you on Our Land.   YFAB,  Randy 
 
 
 
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---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gretchen H. Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Half Round Shelter Date: 13 Apr 2002 07:47:11 -0600 All the talk about one pole tents reminds me of the problem of the half round shelters. Has anyone come up with a way to use one? If I understand it correctly a person would have to cut down or butcher a large number of saplings. In the modern times that could get you in some trouble with the forrest service but it would seem inconvenient even in in the 1800's. Saplings are not always available to a camp site. Why would they have used these instead of a lean-to (sp)? Is there any records of lean-tos? Wynn Ormond ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Half Round Shelter Date: 13 Apr 2002 16:19:43 -0600 Wynn, We found that once you cut and bend the saplings, you might as well use the over again and again. Being prebent and made the way you want them makes the shelter go up more quickly the next time. Personally I think the half round shelter was used by only a fraction of the people in the west. And then in pairs when set up for a while in a spot. It was a great simple shelter since all the materials could be had at most places easily. Trappers used willow and other small trees all the time in camp, the skins came from animals shot for daily meat (and it did take a few days to get enough skins for one) when used in pairs you can still have a fire close to it and the skins wouldn't catch fire. You could use it for a while and then discard the set up. A very practical notion in that time. For us today, it would be best to reuse the stakes and bent poles. String and rope work better than rawhide strips. And the tanned hides (half tanned or rawhide) is probably not as easy to use as canvas. When you compare the half round shelter to other shelters used by whites, the Indian influence is seen. It does look, work and act like a sweat lodge (when in a pair) or a small earth lodge. I don't like to use the half shelter, since the wind always changes on me and blows in. It had better be tied down well then! I can't say much about lean tos. Parkman and Miller's camps had simple sun shades which were close. Thes were make with blankets I do like to use lean tos. Easy, light and adaptable. mike. "Gretchen H. Ormond" wrote: > All the talk about one pole tents reminds me of the problem of the half > round shelters. Has anyone come up with a way to use one? If I > understand it correctly a person would have to cut down or butcher a > large number of saplings. In the modern times that could get you in > some trouble with the forrest service but it would seem inconvenient > even in in the 1800's. Saplings are not always available to a camp > site. > > Why would they have used these instead of a lean-to (sp)? Is there any > records of lean-tos? > > Wynn Ormond > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Half Round Shelter Date: 13 Apr 2002 22:24:16 -0600 Wynn, We've made a couple of these and they're ok. They take some work, but the willows found in stream banks are plentiful enough to do it. At Fort Bridger the park superintendant urged us to cut some of her willows for one! We built one at Fort B a few years back and it held up to some heavy wet snow. I guess it took Crazy, Yaro, a couple of others and me about 2 hours to build it. Like Mike said, I doubt they were used a whole bunch, but they will work. Also as Mike noted, you can transport them. Ask Crazy about that sometime....... Allen At 07:47 AM 4/13/2002 -0600, you wrote: >All the talk about one pole tents reminds me of the problem of the half >round shelters. Has anyone come up with a way to use one? If I >understand it correctly a person would have to cut down or butcher a >large number of saplings. In the modern times that could get you in >some trouble with the forrest service but it would seem inconvenient >even in in the 1800's. Saplings are not always available to a camp >site. > >Why would they have used these instead of a lean-to (sp)? Is there any >records of lean-tos? > >Wynn Ormond > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ole Jensen Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Half Round Shelter Date: 14 Apr 2002 08:22:18 -0600 on 4/13/02 10:24 PM, Allen Hall at allenhall@srv.net wrote: > Wynn, > > We've made a couple of these and they're ok. They take some work, but the > willows found in stream banks are plentiful enough to do it. At Fort > Bridger the park superintendant urged us to cut some of her willows for one! > > We built one at Fort B a few years back and it held up to some heavy wet > snow. I guess it took Crazy, Yaro, a couple of others and me about 2 hours > to build it. > > Like Mike said, I doubt they were used a whole bunch, but they will work. > Also as Mike noted, you can transport them. Ask Crazy about that > sometime....... > > Allen > > At 07:47 AM 4/13/2002 -0600, you wrote: >> All the talk about one pole tents reminds me of the problem of the half >> round shelters. Has anyone come up with a way to use one? If I >> understand it correctly a person would have to cut down or butcher a >> large number of saplings. In the modern times that could get you in >> some trouble with the forrest service but it would seem inconvenient >> even in in the 1800's. Saplings are not always available to a camp >> site. >> >> Why would they have used these instead of a lean-to (sp)? Is there any >> records of lean-tos? >> >> Wynn Ormond >> >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Allen/Wynn Looking through my copy of Millers field sketches I saw the following. 1. Crossing the River: moonlight shows a wedge tent with two men in front of it starting a fire. 2. Our Camp shows a wedge tent eith the end open so that you can see one of the poles it also apears as if the canvas is striped. There is also another wedge tent in the back ground of similar style. 3. Catching up Due to the size of the tent it apears to be taller than a wedge and shorter than a lodge, if the man standing in front of the tent is say 5'5" tall than this tent would be about 9' tall. If I were to set up my small conical tent it would look exactly like the drawing. The connical that I use is a true one pole tent. If John Kramer would post one of his pictures from last years work party on our land you would see the same tent with John,Ferrel and I in front of it cooking a meal. Ole ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Half Round Shelter Date: 14 Apr 2002 11:15:25 -0500 As Miller painted nothing to scale in perspective (like a draughtsman might), as Miller mostly painted the camp and men hired by his Patron, as the tent in question is a background element of questionable parentage, I consider this entire discussion a bit silly. If you want the picture you requested it along with all the others I've had posted since the land work party remain at: http://www.kcnet.com/~kramers/images/ Knock yourself out. John... At 09:22 AM 4/14/02, OLE wrote: >3. Catching up > Due to the size of the tent it apears to be taller than a wedge and > shorter than a lodge, if the man standing in front of the tent > is say 5'5" tall than this tent would be about 9' tall. If I were to set > up my small conical tent it would look exactly like the drawing. The > connical that I use is a true one pole tent. If John Kramer would post > one of his pictures from last years work party on our land you would > see the same tent with John,Ferrel and I in front of it cooking a > meal. >Ole ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The suggestion that political correctness stems from noble motives is like suggesting that bullies are simply striving to stamp out human frailty." Kate the Elder 2002 ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jdearing Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Too Quiet Date: 15 Apr 2002 12:32:57 -0500 > >The french and english both had a conical one pole tent that would sleep up >to 8 men. >Ole > Well Ole, I've heard that for a long time, but NO ONE seems to know where this story originated. I've done allot of research for the F&I and Rev War periods, and I have never seen anything showing or describing a one pole tent, other than the belle of arms. Again, where is your documentation for this statement? If ya got it I really would like to see it. J.D. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: MtMan-List: FW: Auction Date: 15 Apr 2002 17:21:19 -0700
 

Brothers,    Thanks to Crazy Cyot I learned a new trick.  I have started posting pictures of items that will be auctioned at the National.  This auction is open to all.  Spread the word.  We'll take snail mail, e- mail, phone, etc...bids until I leave for the National.  Any bids received by then will be the minimum bids once at the National.  I'm just learning this , so be patient please.  I posted pics of the brain tanned deer hides, the buffalo powder horn, and a print.  I'll be posting more pics.  If I had more stuff, I could post more pics.....   Send me donations guys...please....   I'll see you at the National on Our Land.   YFAB, Randy
 
 
--- Randal Bublitz
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--- Randal Bublitz
we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers,
we are Borrowing it from our Children
 
---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Info On Selling Flintlock Pistol Date: 15 Apr 2002 21:24:37 EDT --part1_86.1930cf8e.29ecd755_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a friend who wants to sell a Pedersoli Mountain Flintlock Pistol. It's .45 caliber, 10.5" barrel, 15.5" overall length, blued with brass furniture. It has never been fired, is in the original box and has patches, balls, priming tool and flints included. Can you guys tell me the best method to determine the value, and the best sites to put this gun out there for sale or auction? Your help is greatly appreciated. If anyone on the list is interested, please contact me OFFLIST. Barney --part1_86.1930cf8e.29ecd755_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a friend who wants to sell a Pedersoli Mountain Flintlock Pistol. It's .45 caliber, 10.5" barrel, 15.5" overall length, blued with brass furniture.
It has never been fired, is in the original box and has patches, balls, priming tool and flints included.

Can you guys tell me the best method to determine the value, and the best sites to put this gun out there for sale or auction? Your help is greatly appreciated.

If anyone on the list is interested, please contact me OFFLIST.

Barney --part1_86.1930cf8e.29ecd755_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: Auction Date: 15 Apr 2002 20:49:42 -0700
Hi Tom,   Hey, you just sign up with that outfit, costs nothing, and you can set up photo albums for all, or some, to see (Your choice).  Check it out, pretty cool.  I'll be trying to get more pics up on the site, I only have about 20 pics of a certain powder horn <G>....  I appreciate it....   I'll see you in about a month.   Randy
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Neat trick!  How'dja do it?
 
Tom
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Brothers,    Thanks to Crazy Cyot I learned a new trick.  I have started posting pictures of items that will be auctioned at the National.  This auction is open to all.  Spread the word.  We'll take snail mail, e- mail, phone, etc...bids until I leave for the National.  Any bids received by then will be the minimum bids once at the National.  I'm just learning this , so be patient please.  I posted pics of the brain tanned deer hides, the buffalo powder horn, and a print.  I'll be posting more pics.  If I had more stuff, I could post more pics.....   Send me donations guys...please....   I'll see you at the National on Our Land.   YFAB, Randy
 
 
--- Randal Bublitz

 
--- Randal Bublitz
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---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: MtMan-List: FW: Land Auction Pics Date: 16 Apr 2002 17:42:59 -0700
 

Brothers,       Thanks to Crazy Cyot,   we now have some pics of  Land Fund Auction Pictures posted on a web site.  Check it out : http://www.cartogra.com/home/ViewMyAlbum.asp?coll_id=1513822   If you want to bid, the Auction will be at the AMM National Rdvs, May 29 2002,  Our Land, CO..   If you can't be there personally you can send me your bid, up until I leave for the National Rdvs., May 22, '02.  Any bids received before I leave, will be the opening bid at the Rdvs..  Your best bet is sending me an e-mail.  rjbublitz@earthlink.net    I will check e-mail just before I hit the road.  My snail mail is 5547 Princeton Dr. Santa Maria, CA 93455   or phone (805)937-7685  .   Keep checking the site.  I'll try to keep adding pics, etc...  Your fine donation could be pictured here..... <s>......          once at the site click on see my album, from there you can view auction pics.    Check it out....        YFAB,  Randy 'hardtack' Bublitz
 
--- Randal Bublitz
we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers,
we are Borrowing it from our Children
 

 
--- Randal Bublitz
we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers,
we are Borrowing it from our Children
 
---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "WindWalker" Subject: MtMan-List: Posts Date: 17 Apr 2002 17:35:47 -0400 --=====_101907934741=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ive been looking at the posts since the problems while back.. The posts are way down from what I see.. Mybe this moderation is keeping alot from bothering even answereing posts??? My thoughts Windwalker --=====_101907934741=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Ive been looking at the posts since the problems while back..
The posts are way down from what I see.. Mybe this moderation
is keeping alot from bothering even answereing posts???
My thoughts
Windwalker
--=====_101907934741=_-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: MtMan-List: hobbling Date: 17 Apr 2002 18:39:46 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C1E63F.3FB8FA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What's a good way to start training a horse to hobble? Thanks! Colleen ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C1E63F.3FB8FA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What's a good way to start training a horse to = hobble? =20 Thanks!
 
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------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C1E63F.3FB8FA60-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimInTexas1962@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hobbling Date: 17 Apr 2002 19:50:43 EDT --part1_a2.242bf0b8.29ef6453_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I start training the colt(or older horse) by first get them acostumed to ropes around thier feet.rub it around, flop it across,wrap it around them. then get them use to a tote sack tied around 1 foot and then the other. take the tote sack to make your first hobble,loop it around off leg ,twist it together 2 or 3 times then tie it around near leg with a easy knot to get loose. the colt WILL fight it some so be ready to yank it loose if he gets in a wreck. Dont free him if all he does is fight it though as he will settle down and stand in a bit. then start hobbleing him at feeding time ,leaving them on a little longer each time --part1_a2.242bf0b8.29ef6453_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I start training the colt(or older horse) by first get them acostumed to ropes around thier feet.rub it around, flop it across,wrap it around them. then get them use to a tote sack tied around 1 foot and then the other. take the tote sack to make your first hobble,loop it around off leg ,twist it together 2 or 3 times then tie it around near leg with a easy knot to get loose. the colt WILL fight it some so be ready to yank it loose if he gets in a wreck. Dont free him if all he does is fight it though as he will settle down and stand in a bit. then start hobbleing him at feeding time ,leaving them on a little longer each time --part1_a2.242bf0b8.29ef6453_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hobbling Date: 17 Apr 2002 19:51:23 EDT --part1_18b.69d73f4.29ef647b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Colleen Best way I know is to put them on them. They'll figure them out all to fast and be for ya know it you be a tracking them. It is amazing how much ground they can cover in a short time once they find out how to move with them. Ain't that right Wynn? (G) on the trail Crazy Cyot --part1_18b.69d73f4.29ef647b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Colleen
Best way I know is to put them on them. They'll figure them out all to fast and be for ya know it you be a tracking them. It is amazing how much ground they can cover in a short time once they find out how to move with them. Ain't that right Wynn? (G)
on the trail
Crazy Cyot --part1_18b.69d73f4.29ef647b_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Posts Date: 17 Apr 2002 20:51:46 EDT --part1_e4.262fc7e8.29ef72a2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/17/2002 3:31:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, windwalker@fastmail.fm writes: > Mybe this moderation is keeping alot from bothering even answereing posts? > Not so sure thats the reason Windwalker. Could be that it's Rendezvous time. Lots of guys and gals I know are in the mountains. Also, my posts seem to be coming through as fast as I hit the 'send' button. Almost seems as though Dean has modified or eliminated the moderation. I'm thinking it's just one of those 'quiet spells' we get every once-in-a-while. Barney --part1_e4.262fc7e8.29ef72a2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/17/2002 3:31:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, windwalker@fastmail.fm writes:


Mybe this moderation is keeping alot from bothering even answereing posts?

Not so sure thats the reason Windwalker.  Could be that it's Rendezvous time. Lots of guys and gals I know are in the mountains.

Also, my posts seem to be coming through as fast as I hit the 'send' button. Almost seems as though Dean has modified or eliminated the moderation.

I'm thinking it's just one of those 'quiet spells' we get every once-in-a-while.

Barney --part1_e4.262fc7e8.29ef72a2_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Posts Date: 17 Apr 2002 21:17:21 -0400 I gotta agree with Barney... From Jan to July then Sept/Oct is my busiest months at Ronnyvous... Quiet on the other lists too... Regards, Ad ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "WindWalker" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Posts Date: 17 Apr 2002 20:26:45 -0400 well I hope all are on way to camps, we have several to go to ourselves... think I may be at one soon a "Fox" may be at... may be interesting Hawk you still a breathing?? Windwalker *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/17/02 at 9:17 PM Addison Miller wrote: >I gotta agree with Barney... From Jan to July then Sept/Oct is my >busiest months at Ronnyvous... Quiet on the other lists too... > >Regards, > >Ad > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: MtMan-List: From: Date: 17 Apr 2002 20:25:28 -0600 (MDT) Dear List, The Montana boys had a busy two weeks! Vince and I floated a nice river and set 6 traps, we had 3 beaver in the morning!! Then 11 of us floated the Upper Missouri and had a grreat time! I caught 2 big cat fish (3-4 pounds each!) We fried them in bacon grease. Mike also caught his first beaver! A 45 pounder. We also all hiked up to various scenic spots. Saturday we had +65 MPH winds on the big Missouri which made for an interesting day!! We all survived the 50 mile float though. What a trip! Get out there and camp, trap beaver, catch fish, and hunt with your fusees! Rendezvous time is for talking about all the neat trips we had before rendezvous! We're Mountain Men by God and we need to live like it!! Sincerely, Beaverboy ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Posts Date: 17 Apr 2002 21:37:40 -0500 Well, I've been off the list for a bit (out of the country, and no way = to check so I unsubscribed), but it did seem like the list was lot = quieter than when I left. I'm heading out Friday to a shoot out on the = bluffs over the Potawotomie, in Central KS. Got my blanket roll slung = on my tumpline and ready to go already. =3D) And then 2 weeks later to = another shoot, and then there's the Memorial Day 'voos, then the Museum = of the Fur Trades Fur Trade Days..... =3D) It is definitely my = favorite time of the year. Todd Missouri Territory > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of WindWalker > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 7:27 PM > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Posts >=20 >=20 > well I hope all are on way to camps, we have several to go > to ourselves... > think I may be at one soon a "Fox" may be at... may be interesting > Hawk you still a breathing?? > Windwalker >=20 > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >=20 > On 4/17/02 at 9:17 PM Addison Miller wrote: >=20 > >I gotta agree with Barney... From Jan to July then Sept/Oct is my > >busiest months at Ronnyvous... Quiet on the other lists too... > > > >Regards, > > > >Ad > > > > > > > >---------------------- > >hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >=20 ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TEXASLAZYB@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hobbling Date: 17 Apr 2002 22:51:38 EDT --part1_c9.20d3142d.29ef8eba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have trained horses to hobbles by just putting them on, too. If you do that don't stand to close because they are going over. BluLodg --part1_c9.20d3142d.29ef8eba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have trained horses to hobbles by just putting them on, too.  If you do that don't stand to close because they are going over.

BluLodg --part1_c9.20d3142d.29ef8eba_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Posts Date: 17 Apr 2002 23:09:42 -0400 > Hawk you still a breathing?? > Windwalker Hawk's in St Louis and should be back in a few days.... Ad ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: From: Date: 17 Apr 2002 23:13:24 -0400 GODS!!! Sounds like heaven!!! Glad you all had a good time. Planning on a river float on the New River here in WV next Spring with some friends. Ought to be interesting... not sure if there are many Beaver around, but hey... we'll try :) Regards, Ad ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hobbling Date: 17 Apr 2002 23:43:21 EDT --part1_179.6e47795.29ef9ad9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Blulodg Some times they do some times they don't It's all part of them getting use to the things. Jim made some good points and had a good way to get them use to them but in then end it's all the same they get use to them. It is important to get the critter use to a rope that's all part of the ground work I do before even climb on for the first time. I all so use the lead rope to teach them to turn away from the rope rather then in to it. I do this by throwing the rope over their head working it around there body and pulling on it to make them turn. As they get use to it ya can work the rope further down around there legs to get them turn away from the presser and not in to it. This comes in handy when ya start to picket them out on a cuff and a line. Which I feel is the better way to put your horse out on feed when on the trail. I've had to go looking for horses on hobbles to many times and when your ridding with a group of horses that don't know one another you'll have problems with them getting after each other on hobbles. All ways high line your horse at night or when you aren't going to be able to keep an eye on them. Better to count ribs then track. Crazy Cyot --part1_179.6e47795.29ef9ad9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Blulodg
Some times they do some times they don't It's all part of them getting use to the things. Jim made some good points and had a good way to get them use to them but in then end it's all the same they get use to them. It is important to get the critter use to a rope that's all part of the ground work I do before even climb on for the first time. I all so use the lead rope to teach them to turn away from the rope rather then in to it. I do this by throwing the rope over their head working it around there body and pulling on it to make them turn. As they get use to it ya can work the rope further down around there legs to get them turn away from the presser and not in to it.  This comes in handy when ya start to picket them out on a cuff and a line. Which I feel is the better way to put your horse out on feed when on the trail. I've had to go looking for horses on hobbles to many times and when your ridding with a group of horses that don't know one another you'll have problems with them getting after each other on hobbles. All ways high line your horse at night or when you aren't going to be able to keep an eye on them.
Better to count ribs then track.
Crazy Cyot   --part1_179.6e47795.29ef9ad9_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: From: Date: 17 Apr 2002 23:46:06 EDT --part1_105.144bf558.29ef9b7e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beaverboy Sounds like ya had some shinnin times that's for sure. Good on ya! See ya on the trail Crazy Cyot --part1_105.144bf558.29ef9b7e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beaverboy
Sounds like ya had some shinnin times that's for sure. Good on ya!
See ya on the trail
Crazy Cyot --part1_105.144bf558.29ef9b7e_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phyllis and Don Keas Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Posts Date: 17 Apr 2002 22:05:04 -0600 Nothin wrong with quiet. Don On Thursday, June 5, 1941, Addison Miller wrote: >I gotta agree with Barney... From Jan to July then Sept/Oct is my >busiest months at Ronnyvous... Quiet on the other lists too... > >Regards, > >Ad > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: >http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: MtMan-List: AMM Land Fund Auction Date: 18 Apr 2002 21:44:50 -0700

Hi Folks,    We are going to have an auction to raise funds for our Land Fund.  There is a web site were you can view some of the items up for auction.  The auction will be at our National Rdvs., May 29, but anyone can bid on the items.  As long as the Bid is received before May 22 (when I leave for Colorado & the National Rdvs.)  the high bid will be the opening bid at the rdvs. auction.  Post bids on the site by using the 'notes' function, or e-mail bid to me (see below).   Check out the items at
 
If you want to donate an item contact me.          YFAB, Randy
 
--- Randal Bublitz
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we are Borrowing it from our Children
 

---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Guglielmi Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hobbling Date: 20 Apr 2002 05:34:39 -0700 --=====================_1371984==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Colleen, Your first consideration should be the safety of both you and the horse. You did not mention whether this was a young horse you are jsut starting or an older, broke horse. Either way it is best to pick a spot were you are away from anything that could hurt your horse. I like to start out by sacking the animal out, especially around their legs and hoof area. I use my lead rope for this. Ultimately you want the animal calm and trusting of you reaching down and messing with their front legs, a scared animal can strike out when you are in an uncomprimising position of putting on the hobbles. Once I have the animal in a good frame of mind I introduce him to the hobbles, put them on and let him do his thing. Some horses wiill just stand there, others will try and walk out and go to thrashing so be prepared. Once they get a feel for the hobbles, I like to pull their head around and make them try and move so they get use to the idea that if they move somethng bad will happen and standing still is the right thng to do. I want my horses to stand in one spot when they have hobbles on so once they get use to the hobbels I take the lead rope and go down to the hobbles and back to the halter and pull their head down to the ground then tie a quick release knot. This will anchor him in one spot and take away his head which he need to take a jump in hobbles. Rick At 06:39 PM 04/17/2002 -0400, you wrote: >What's a good way to start training a horse to hobble? Thanks! > >Colleen --=====================_1371984==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Colleen,

Your first consideration should be the safety of both you and the horse.  You did not mention whether this was a young horse you are jsut starting or an older, broke horse.  Either way it is best to pick a spot were you are away from anything that could hurt your horse.  I like to start out by sacking the animal out, especially around their legs and hoof area.  I use my lead rope for this.  Ultimately you want the animal calm and trusting of you reaching down and messing with their front legs, a scared animal can strike out when you are in an uncomprimising position of putting on the hobbles.  Once I have the animal in a good frame of mind I introduce him to the hobbles, put them on and let him do his thing.  Some horses wiill just stand there, others will try and walk out and go to thrashing so be prepared.  Once they get a feel for the hobbles, I like to pull their head around and make them try and move so they get use to the idea that if they move somethng bad will happen and standing still is the right thng to do.  I want my horses to stand in one spot when they have hobbles on so once they get use to the hobbels I take the lead rope and go down to the hobbles and back to the halter and pull their head down to the ground then tie a quick release knot.  This will anchor him in one spot and take away his head which he need to take a jump in hobbles.  

Rick


At 06:39 PM 04/17/2002 -0400, you wrote:
What's a good way t= o start training a horse to hobble?  Thanks!
 
Colleen
--=====================_1371984==_.ALT-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: MtMan-List: From: Date: 20 Apr 2002 09:40:23 -0600 (MDT) I give beaver skinning demos at various Rendezvous around Montana and always rough skin my beaver then flesh them on a beam. I saw a rough two handed fleshing tool at the Museum of the Mountain Men in Pinedale Wyoming. I wonder if anyone out there has any good documentation on which way the beaver men skinned there catch, rough or clean or both depending on the conditions. I personally think they clean skinned them as all you need are a sharp knife (or flint even) and lots of time. Something Mountain Men had. Fort Union ,North Dakota bought 10,000 beaver pelts in a good year yet there are few references to how they were handled. I guess its like tying a shoe, try to find a reference on how that is done. Some things people just didn't record. Speaking of Fort Union, all list members should try to go see the Fort once in their lives. It was and is the premier Fort on the Upper Missouri River. They are open year round and have their Rendezvous always on the 3rd full weekend of June (Fathers day weekend) Its worth the drive!!! Read Charles Larpenteur's narrative "Forty Years a Fur Trader on the Upper Missouri" first so you really appreciate what happened at the Fort. Track me down there and say HI. I'll be skinning the beaver. American Fur Company Forever!!!!!! Beaverboy ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: MtMan-List: From: Date: 20 Apr 2002 10:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Dear List, The 2003 Fur Trade Symposium will be held in Fort Benton Montana on September 18,19,20 of 2003. Mark your calendar now. We will tour several historical fur trade sites and much more. I'll post more details as they become available. Should have some good feature speakers. I went to the last one at Fort Union and am glad I went. Hope everyone gets their turkey! Gene and I are heading out next week with the fusees after our Tom's. Can't wait. Beaverboy ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "WindWalker" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: From: Date: 20 Apr 2002 15:50:02 -0400 Im on my way to A buff meat shoot in kansas.... Windwalker *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/20/02 at 10:05 AM owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com wrote: >Dear List, > The 2003 Fur Trade Symposium will be held in Fort Benton Montana on >September 18,19,20 of 2003. Mark your calendar now. We will tour several >historical fur trade sites and much more. I'll post more details as they >become available. Should have some good feature speakers. I went to the >last one at Fort Union and am glad I went. > Hope everyone gets their turkey! Gene and I are heading out next week >with the fusees after our Tom's. Can't wait. > Beaverboy > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: From: ). YFAB, Randy > [Original Message] > From: WindWalker > To: > Date: 4/20/02 12:50:02 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: From: > Im on my way to A buff meat shoot in kansas.... > Windwalker > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 4/20/02 at 10:05 AM owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com wrote: > > >Dear List, > > The 2003 Fur Trade Symposium will be held in Fort Benton Montana on > >September 18,19,20 of 2003. Mark your calendar now. We will tour several > >historical fur trade sites and much more. I'll post more details as they > >become available. Should have some good feature speakers. I went to the > >last one at Fort Union and am glad I went. > > Hope everyone gets their turkey! Gene and I are heading out next week > >with the fusees after our Tom's. Can't wait. > > Beaverboy > > > > > > > >---------------------- > >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html --- Randal Bublitz --- rjbublitz@earthlink.net we have NOT inherited the Earth from ou ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: From: Date: 20 Apr 2002 23:18:35 -0500 windwalker--- where is the shoot and when---picked up my buffilo gun while in st louis---mine meets the 14 lb limit and all---barrel was made for darl pots back in 75 shoots pretty good---got a few nifty fifties with it---contact me offline---I am in nw ark turkey hunting---about 3 1/2 hrs to wichita---let me know the data on the shoot offline--- "HAWK" Michael Pierce Home of "Old Grizz Products" & "the Arkansas Under Hammers" 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor Florida 34684 Phone:1-727-771-1815 e-mail: hawknest4@juno.com web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: a mighty important 18 minutes Date: 21 Apr 2002 10:46:27 -0500 Howdy from Texas Many of you who are not from Texas probably don't realize the importance of an event that happened on this date in 1836......the battle of San Jacinto, one of history's most important, decisive and far-reaching battles. The 13 day siege of the Alamo in early March of that year and the subsequent need of Santa Anna's army to recover from its pyric victory there enabled Sam Houston's army to organize itself and get prepared to give battle to the Mexicans. When Santa Anna caught up with Houston near Buffalo Bayou (just east of the present day city of Houston) the Texians struck the Mexican army with a cold fury, catching them in a mid-afternoon siesta. In the space of 18 minutes the outnumbered Texians killed 630 Mexicans, captured 730 and sent hundreds more(including Santa Anna himself) running for their lives through the marshes. (In a personal note, my first cousin, five times removed, Thomas Jefferson Rusk served as Inspector General of the Texas Army and was present at the battle. Cousin T.J. served Texas for many more years and is a shining star in my family) When Santa Anna was captured on April 22 he was brought before the wounded Houston (a Mexican ball in his left ankle) where he bargained for his life by ordering all Mexican forces to cease hostilities and giving up all claim to Texas. Santa Anna could do this because he was President of Mexico as well as the General of its armies. Texas established itself as a free Republic, galling Santa Anna for years, and when it petitioned for U.S. statehood in 1845 American relations with Mexico deteriorated even more. Hostilities soon broke out between the U.S. and Mexico and the subsequent defeat of Mexico (the line in the Marine Corps hymn ".....from the halls of Montezuma...." coming from this war) led to the U.S. acquisition of much of the western United States, including California. The Mexican War established the U.S. as a two ocean, continental power and provided valuable field experience for hundreds of officers who served on both sides of the upcoming War Between the States. It is difficult to imagine the changes in history had the battle at San Jacinto turned out differently. One scenario would be that the U.S. southern boundary with Mexico would be the Red River that today separates Texas from Oklahoma and Mexico would extend north from Tijuana all the way to Washington and east to central Colorado. A mighty important 18 minutes, if you ask me. .Lanney Ratcliff ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: a mighty important 18 minutes Date: 21 Apr 2002 09:55:47 -0600 (MDT) > A great bit of history. Enjoyed it very much and your right, it would be a much different country without those brave souls who fought for independence. Beaverboy Howdy from Texas > Many of you who are not from Texas probably don't realize the > importance of an event that happened on this date in 1836......the > battle of San Jacinto, one of history's most important, decisive and > far-reaching battles. The 13 day siege of the Alamo in early March of > that year and the subsequent need of Santa Anna's army to recover from > its pyric victory there enabled Sam Houston's army to organize itself > and get prepared to give battle to the Mexicans. When Santa Anna > caught up with Houston near Buffalo Bayou (just east of the present day > city of Houston) the Texians struck the Mexican army with a cold fury, > catching them in a mid-afternoon siesta. In the space of 18 minutes > the outnumbered Texians killed 630 Mexicans, captured 730 and sent > hundreds more(including Santa Anna himself) running for their lives > through the marshes. (In a personal note, my first cousin, five times > removed, Thomas Jefferson Rusk served as Inspector General of the Texas > Army and was present at the battle. Cousin T.J. served Texas for many > more years and is a shining star in my family) > When Santa Anna was captured on April 22 he was brought before the > wounded Houston (a Mexican ball in his left ankle) where he bargained > for his life by ordering all Mexican forces to cease hostilities and > giving up all claim to Texas. Santa Anna could do this because he was > President of Mexico as well as the General of its armies. Texas > established itself as a free Republic, galling Santa Anna for years, > and when it petitioned for U.S. statehood in 1845 American relations > with Mexico deteriorated even more. Hostilities soon broke out between > the U.S. and Mexico and the subsequent defeat of Mexico (the line in > the Marine Corps hymn ".....from the halls of Montezuma...." coming > from this war) led to the U.S. acquisition of much of the western > United States, including California. The Mexican War > established the U.S. as a two ocean, continental power and provided > valuable field experience for hundreds of officers who served on both > sides of the upcoming War Between the States. It is difficult to > imagine the changes in history had the battle at San Jacinto turned out > differently. One scenario would be that the U.S. southern boundary > with Mexico would be the Red River that today separates Texas from > Oklahoma and Mexico would extend north from Tijuana all the way to > Washington and east to central Colorado. > A mighty important 18 minutes, if you ask me. > .Lanney Ratcliff > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: a mighty important 18 minutes Date: 21 Apr 2002 11:56:30 EDT Lets not forgot the gutless Santa Anna was dressed in peon foot soldiers clothing, and was found in the bushes as a result of the Texas Army trying to gather up all of the Mexican Army that fled. It was only when the Mexican soldiers started to salute him and call him el presidente did the Texians reallize who they had,(so the story goes) Frank ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: a mighty important 18 minutes Date: 21 Apr 2002 12:13:04 -0400 Also, to my understanding, because Texas was a "free" nation when it applied to join the US as a State, they are the only state which can legally ever secede from the United States. Is this a falicy or true? Regards, Ad ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: a mighty important 18 minutes Date: 21 Apr 2002 11:33:36 -0500 Also, to my understanding, because Texas was a "free" nation when it applied to join the US as a State, they are the only state which can legally ever secede from the United States. Is this a falicy or true? Regards, Ad I am not sure if that is (or ever was) true, but the agreement to join the Union carried the provision that Texas could divide itself into as many as five separate states, should it decide to do so. Lanney ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: More about Santa Anna Date: 21 Apr 2002 11:37:17 -0500 Another odd bit of history attributed to Santa Anna is his contribution to the widespread use of chewing gum. Yep, chewing gum. Santa Anna carried a supply of chicle and chewed it routinely for years. This practice was not invented by Santa Anna but was common among the Mayans in Mexico for generations. In the late1860's Santa Anna wound up living (exiled from Mexico) for a time in New Jersey.....if I'm lying, I'm dying....where he had his ever present supply of chicle, (about a ton, apparently brought to sell). Santa Anna approached Thomas Adams to sell chicle in the U.S. After a dead end attempt to vulcanize chicle to make a rubber substitute Adams noticed that Santa Anna chewed bits of chicle. Adams prepared a quantity of chicle as chewing gum and quickly established a thriving gum business, soon adding licorice flavor to perk up the tasteless chicle, calling it Black Jack Gum. Black Jack Gum was sold continuously until the 1970's. I remember chewing Black Jack gum as a kid, knowing nothing about it's connection to Santa Anna. Read about this at: http://home.swipnet.se/roland/teaberry.html Lanney > Lets not forgot the gutless Santa Anna was dressed in peon foot soldiers > clothing, and was found in the bushes as a result of the Texas Army trying to > gather up all of the Mexican Army that fled. It was only when the Mexican > soldiers started to salute him and call him el presidente did the Texians > reallize who they had,(so the story goes) > > Frank > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: MtMan-List: Ft Frederick Date: 21 Apr 2002 14:20:10 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1E93F.A5396CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone on the list going to be at Ft Frederick? D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Knives and Iron Accouterments http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning." ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1E93F.A5396CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone on the list going to be at Ft=20 Frederick?
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------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1E93F.A5396CA0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Jones" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: a mighty important 18 minutes Date: 21 Apr 2002 15:19:00 -0500 Didn't being on the losing side of the "Civil War" end that right. The readmission resolution approved by Congress is silent on that point. Paul ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 11:33 AM > Also, to my understanding, because Texas was a "free" nation when it > applied to join the US as a State, they are the only state which can > legally ever secede from the United States. Is this a falicy or true? > > Regards, > > Ad > > I am not sure if that is (or ever was) true, but the agreement to join the > Union carried the provision that Texas could divide itself into as many as > five separate states, should it decide to do so. > Lanney > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ft Frederick Date: 21 Apr 2002 17:29:48 -0400 Sure am, and I'll be looking to see if you are set up... :) Regards, Ad Miller ******************************************* Anyone on the list going to be at Ft Frederick? D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Knives and Iron Accouterments http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning." ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hawkengun@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Santa Anna Date: 21 Apr 2002 23:34:40 EDT Or maybe he was spared becaused both he and Sam Houston were Freemasons? A legend that is popuar amongst the brotherhood. John R. Sweet ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "WindWalker" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Santa Anna Date: 21 Apr 2002 23:42:30 -0400 The brother hood is right, at least word of mouth wise *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/21/02 at 11:34 PM Hawkengun@aol.com wrote: >Or maybe he was spared becaused both he and Sam Houston were Freemasons? >A >legend that is popuar amongst the brotherhood. > >John R. Sweet > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Powell" Subject: MtMan-List: Buffalo Horn for Powder horns Date: 22 Apr 2002 00:56:31 -0600 ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1E998.8AF38340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Brothers and others on the History list, A while back there was discussion concerning the use of buffalo horns for= powder horns and there were some folks interested in where to find horn.= I recently went to an Order of the Arrow (BSA) convention and while the= re a trading post was set up and I was able to high grade 4 horns for who= mever is in want for them. All 4 have a nice upturn that is typical of B= ULL horns, the cow's horn don't curve up as much and tend to be straighte= r. 3 of the horns are approx 3 year old bull (good size) and 1 is a bit = smaller and would make a fine, what some people call, "dayhorn". All hor= ns have been cleaned and scraped. They have received some minor sanding = and buffing as well. The open end is still rough so you can choose the a= ngle of the plug. The cost for each is $30.00. I realize this may sound= a bit steep to some of you, but they are fine and have had the rough par= t of the work already done. I have not added anything for myself, this i= s merely a service for whomever is in need. I will cover the cost of shi= pping to you. Thank You, =20 Michael Powell AMM #1769 POISON RIVER PARTY "Ride, Ride, Ride" "Aux Aliments du Pays"!Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download= : http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1E998.8AF38340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Brothers = and others on the History list,
A while back there was discuss= ion concerning the use of buffalo horns for powder horns and there were s= ome folks interested in where to find horn.  I recently went to an O= rder of the Arrow (BSA) convention and while there a trading post was set= up and I was able to high grade 4 horns for whomever is in want for them= .  All 4 have a nice upturn that is typical of BULL horns, the cow's= horn don't curve up as much and tend to be straighter.  3 of the ho= rns are approx 3 year old bull (good size) and 1 is a bit smaller and wou= ld make a fine, what some people call, "dayhorn".  All hor= ns have been cleaned and scraped.  They have received some= minor sanding and buffing as well.  The open end is still roug= h so you can choose the angle of the plug.  The cost for each is $30= .00.  I realize this may sound a bit steep to some of you, but = they are fine and have had the rough part of the work already done. =  I have not added anything for myself, this is merely a service for = whomever is in need.  I will cover the cost of shipping to= you.
Thank You,
  
Michael Powell
= AMM #1769
POISON RIVER PARTY
"Ride, Ride, Ride"
"Aux Aliments du= Pays"!

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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1E998.8AF38340-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ft Frederick Date: 22 Apr 2002 09:16:24 EDT --part1_8.25183040.29f56728_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barring some major intervention of fate I will be there. My wife and I have not missed on in 5 years. Usually my mom or her mom can watch the kids as they still have school. But this year my mom is in Liberia Affrica working as a nurse at a Methodist Hospital and her mom is having eye surgury Thursday so she said for me to go alone and enjoy. I know she only meant the go part as I am not supposed to enjoy it without her but I will just have to suffer. She is giving me a shopping list for her stuff. Y.M.O.S. C.T. Oakes In a message dated 4/21/02 2:21:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, deforge1@bright.net writes: > Anyone on the list going to be at Ft Frederick? > D > "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" > DOUBLE EDGE FORGE > Knives and Iron Accouterments > http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 > > --part1_8.25183040.29f56728_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barring some major intervention of fate I will be there.  My wife and I have not missed on in 5 years.  Usually my mom or her mom can watch the kids as they still have school.  But this year my mom is in Liberia Affrica working as a nurse at a Methodist Hospital and her mom is having eye surgury Thursday so she said for me to go alone and enjoy.  I know she only meant the go part as I am not supposed to enjoy it without her but I will just have to suffer.  She is giving me a shopping list for her stuff.  
Y.M.O.S.

C.T. Oakes

In a message dated 4/21/02 2:21:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, deforge1@bright.net writes:
Anyone on the list going to be at Ft Frederick?
D
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--part1_8.25183040.29f56728_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ft Frederick Date: 22 Apr 2002 11:20:37 -0400 Again... anyone who is there is invited to stop by the Mouse House (it will be by BUSHWOMANS clothier) for a dram or two or coffee... Ad Miller ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J & N McKee" Subject: MtMan-List: buffler horns Date: 22 Apr 2002 12:51:02 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C1E9FC.5BBD5650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brother Michael, That is a fine price. If no one else needs them, then I will buy = them all, put them on my website for sale, and all the proceeds will go = to the Land Fund. John =20 The Stitchin' Scotsman 100% Handsewn elk hide garments and moccasins Manu Forti =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Powell=20 To: amm list ; History List=20 Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 1:56 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Buffalo Horn for Powder horns Dear Brothers and others on the History list, A while back there was discussion concerning the use of buffalo horns = for powder horns and there were some folks interested in where to find = horn. I recently went to an Order of the Arrow (BSA) convention and = while there a trading post was set up and I was able to high grade 4 = horns for whomever is in want for them. All 4 have a nice upturn that = is typical of BULL horns, the cow's horn don't curve up as much and tend = to be straighter. 3 of the horns are approx 3 year old bull (good size) = and 1 is a bit smaller and would make a fine, what some people call, = "dayhorn". All horns have been cleaned and scraped. They have received = some minor sanding and buffing as well. The open end is still rough so = you can choose the angle of the plug. The cost for each is $30.00. I = realize this may sound a bit steep to some of you, but they are fine and = have had the rough part of the work already done. I have not added = anything for myself, this is merely a service for whomever is in need. = I will cover the cost of shipping to you. Thank You, =20 Michael Powell AMM #1769 POISON RIVER PARTY "Ride, Ride, Ride" "Aux Aliments du Pays"! ----- Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : = http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C1E9FC.5BBD5650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Brother = Michael,
    That = is a fine=20 price. If no one else needs them, then I will buy them all, put them on = my=20 website for sale, and all the proceeds will go to the Land Fund.=20 John
    =
    The = Stitchin'=20 Scotsman
    100% = Handsewn elk=20 hide garments
    and=20 moccasins
    Manu=20 Forti
      
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael=20 Powell
To: amm list ; History List
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 = 1:56=20 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Buffalo = Horn for=20 Powder horns

Dear Brothers and others on the History list,
A while back there was discussion concerning the use of buffalo = horns for=20 powder horns and there were some folks interested in where to find = horn. =20 I recently went to an Order of the Arrow (BSA) convention and while = there a=20 trading post was set up and I was able to high grade 4 horns for = whomever is=20 in want for them.  All 4 have a nice upturn that is typical of = BULL=20 horns, the cow's horn don't curve up as much and tend to be = straighter. =20 3 of the horns are approx 3 year old bull (good size) and 1 is a bit = smaller=20 and would make a fine, what some people call, = "dayhorn".  All=20 horns have been cleaned and scraped.  They have = received some=20 minor sanding and buffing as well.  The open end is still = rough so=20 you can choose the angle of the plug.  The cost for each is = $30.00. =20 I realize this may sound a bit steep to some of you, but they are = fine=20 and have had the rough part of the work already done.  I = have not=20 added anything for myself, this is merely a service for whomever = is in=20 need.  I will cover the cost of shipping to you.
Thank You,
  
Michael Powell
AMM #1769
POISON RIVER=20 PARTY
"Ride, Ride, Ride"
"Aux Aliments du Pays"!

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------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C1E9FC.5BBD5650-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Berthiaume, Steve" Subject: MtMan-List: gun cases Date: 22 Apr 2002 15:48:38 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EA36.B285D45D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I received so much excellent advice regarding powder horns, I = figured I would approach this list with a new query. I need some sort = of case (or sleeve) to keep my rifle from getting to badly scratched in = the trunk of my car while going to and from the range. I have seen some = buckskin ones with fringe and that sort of thing, but is that what was = really used yesteryear? I thought about just stitching a wool blanket = to make a sleeve for the gun, but I'm not sure if that would be = considered "period" or not. Whaddya think? Thanks in advance. =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EA36.B285D45D Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, I = received so much=20 excellent advice regarding powder horns, I figured I would approach this = list=20 with a new query.  I need some sort of case (or sleeve) to = keep my=20 rifle from getting to badly scratched in the trunk of my car while going = to and=20 from the range.  I have seen some buckskin ones with fringe and = that sort=20 of thing, but is that what was really used yesteryear?  I thought = about=20 just stitching a wool blanket to make a sleeve for the gun, but I'm not = sure if=20 that would be considered "period" or not.  Whaddya think?  = Thanks in=20 advance.
 
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EA36.B285D45D-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: gun cases Date: 22 Apr 2002 19:18:59 -0600 (MDT) > Well, I received so much excellent advice regarding powder horns, I > figured I would approach this list with a new query. I need some sort > of case (or sleeve) to keep my rifle from getting to badly scratched in > the trunk of my car while going to and from the range. I have seen > some buckskin ones with fringe and that sort of thing, but is that what > was really used yesteryear? I thought about just stitching a wool > blanket to make a sleeve for the gun, but I'm not sure if that would be > considered "period" or not. Whaddya think? Thanks in advance. > > Gun cases were usually made of brain tanned buckskin. Fringe was not as common as you would think. A lot of that was the product of artist and Hollywood. I use a simple wool case that works just fine. You can sew one yourself out of a wool blanket but use a historically correct color such as white, or red, never candy stripe. Find a good source on colors of blankets used pre-1840. Your gun will get wet if you take it outdoors, it will also get scratched and beat up a little if you use it. "Buy it to use it" Good luck, Beaverboy ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Santa Anna Date: 22 Apr 2002 21:56:37 EDT I remember reading Santa Anna was spared from being shot when the Texians were gathering those that fled, only because he had given a type of signal indicating he was a mason, but I cant seem to find it in my books. Frank Odessa, Texas ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: powder horn straps Date: 22 Apr 2002 22:45:02 EDT OK list, I use a buffalo powder horn, and currently have a braintan rolled whang used as a strap. I have been weaving (inkle loom) several hemp straps for others, would it be correct for me to use a 1 inch or 1.5 inch wide strap for my buffalo horn. thanks for your input Frank Odessa,Texas ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hawkengun@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Santa Anna Date: 22 Apr 2002 22:48:13 EDT And I hope it doesn't appear in any books! JR Sweet ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "WindWalker" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Santa Anna Date: 22 Apr 2002 22:50:02 -0400 Fear not, it shall not... *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/22/02 at 10:48 PM Hawkengun@aol.com wrote: >And I hope it doesn't appear in any books! >JR Sweet > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Santa Anna Date: 22 Apr 2002 22:56:18 EDT from what i read it just says he showed a sign, signal, or whatever and IT DOSENT SAY WHAT IT IS, so have no fear . no disrespect intended ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "WindWalker" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Santa Anna Date: 22 Apr 2002 23:10:17 -0400 a sign I will believe, and that is as it should be.... *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/22/02 at 10:56 PM JOAQUINQS@aol.com wrote: >from what i read it just says he showed a sign, signal, or whatever and >IT >DOSENT SAY WHAT IT IS, so have no fear . > >no disrespect intended > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: gun cases Date: 22 Apr 2002 20:30:55 -0700
I'd recommend a blanket sleeve, it will breath (leather may cause rust) and it provides some slight padding.  The thicker the blanket the better.   my 2 cents   hardtack
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Well, I received so much excellent advice regarding powder horns, I figured I would approach this list with a new query.  I need some sort of case (or sleeve) to keep my rifle from getting to badly scratched in the trunk of my car while going to and from the range.  I have seen some buckskin ones with fringe and that sort of thing, but is that what was really used yesteryear?  I thought about just stitching a wool blanket to make a sleeve for the gun, but I'm not sure if that would be considered "period" or not.  Whaddya think?  Thanks in advance.
 
 

 
--- Randal Bublitz
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we are Borrowing it from our Children
 
---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: gun cases Date: 22 Apr 2002 22:30:08 -0600 At 03:48 PM 4/22/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Well, I received so much excellent advice regarding powder horns, I figured I would approach this list with a new query. I need some sort of case (or sleeve) to keep my rifle from getting to badly scratched in the trunk of my car while going to and from the range. I have seen some buckskin ones with fringe and that sort of thing, but is that what was really used yesteryear? I thought about just stitching a wool blanket to make a sleeve for the gun, but I'm not sure if that would be considered "period" or not. Whaddya think? Thanks in advance. Beaverboy and Hardtack had some good advice. I use a brain tan case/cover for mine. Learned a good trick from Yaro however. After you finish your leather case, hit it real good with a bear grease and beeswax mixture. That way when the gun comes in and out of the cover it give the gun a bit of oil/grease to help keep away the rust. It's worked good for me. Good luck, Allen in Fort Hall country ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: gun cases Date: 22 Apr 2002 21:46:55 -0700 I makes sense to me Allen, now I'll have to try a gun case with my left over brain tan.... wait a minute, what left over brain tan...... My brain tan always seems to get used up real quick, not alot of left over. I do grease up my pistol holsters for this reason. See ya on the ground. Randy After you finish your > leather case, hit it real good with a bear grease and beeswax mixture. That > way when the gun comes in and out of the cover it give the gun a bit of > oil/grease to help keep away the rust. It's worked good for me. > > Good luck, > > Allen in Fort Hall country > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html --- Randal Bublitz --- rjbublitz@earthlink.net we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers, we are Borrowing ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Victoria Pate Subject: Re: MtMan-List: a mighty important 18 minutes Date: 23 Apr 2002 12:48:37 -0500 On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:13:04 -0400 "Addison Miller" writes: > Also, to my understanding, because Texas was a "free" nation when it > applied to join the US as a State, they are the only state which can > legally ever secede from the United States. Hey Ad, I'm proud of you!! You're living up to your nickname "Tex" as to your understanding even though you aren't officially a Texan. You would fit right in with a group here in Texas called the Republic of Texas, who believe Texas can and _should _reestablish itself as an independent nation. >Is this a falicy or true? As for Texas being able to lawfully secede being a falicy (or fallacy as we Texians spell it ), it depends on how the original documents are interpreted. I found the data quite persuasive for lawful secession. How was the rendezvous in Georgia? Victoria ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rbkasin" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: a mighty important 18 minutes Date: 23 Apr 2002 11:44:45 -0700 You mean we aren't an independent nation. When did this happen? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:48 AM > > > On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:13:04 -0400 "Addison Miller" > writes: > > Also, to my understanding, because Texas was a "free" nation when it > > applied to join the US as a State, they are the only state which can > > legally ever secede from the United States. > > Hey Ad, > > I'm proud of you!! You're living up to your nickname "Tex" > as to your understanding even though you aren't officially > a Texan. > You would fit right in with a group here in Texas called > the > Republic of Texas, who believe Texas can and _should > _reestablish > itself as an independent nation. > > > >Is this a falicy or true? > As for Texas being able to lawfully secede being a falicy > (or fallacy as we Texians spell it ), it depends on how > the original documents are interpreted. I found the data > quite persuasive for lawful secession. > > How was the rendezvous in Georgia? > > Victoria > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Noe Subject: Re: MtMan-List: a mighty important 18 minutes Date: 23 Apr 2002 15:41:10 -0700 (PDT) --- > > > "Addison Miller" > writes: > > Also, to my understanding, because Texas was a > "free" nation when it > > applied to join the US as a State, they are the > only state which can > > legally ever secede from the United States. Ad. A history teacher told me he thought Texas lost that priviledge when the "South" lost the war, and rejoined the states. Don't NOE though. grn ===== George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com > Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: MtMan-List: FW: List: New Auction Item Date: 23 Apr 2002 18:51:2 -0700
 

Hello Brothers,  Crawdad just sent me an extra fancy spice horn as a Land Auction item.  Check it out at:  http://www.cartogra.com/home/ViewMyAlbum.asp?coll_id=1513822  Once on the site select 'look at my album' , then select a picture from the list or using the arrows.  If you want to make a bid either post a note on the first page of the site, or e-mail at the rjbublitz@earthlink.net.   We are accepting donated items for auction...  bring it to the National, or make arraingments with me.  Auction will be May  29, '02.   
We are up to about 12 auction items pictured.  There are items that will be at auction that I don't have pictures for.  This auction site was to give those who can't attend the National Rdvs. a chance at some of these fine items. 
    I want to thank every one for their interest, help, or at least for not sending me nasty notes telling me to stop bugging you all with this stuff ...<g>....   Your friend and brother,    Randy
 
--- Randal Bublitz
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we are Borrowing it from our Children
 

 
--- Randal Bublitz
we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers,
we are Borrowing it from our Children
 
-------------------- Aux Aliments de Pays! ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: MtMan-List: wool gun cases Date: 23 Apr 2002 22:27:21 -0600 (MDT) Dear List, The other gentlemen was right, cloth does breath much better when it comes to gun cases. I actually prefer my wool gun case to anything. But then I prefer wool to anything in all my gear. Beaverboy ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: gun cases Date: 23 Apr 2002 22:44:39 -0600 Hardtack, It's worked out slick for me. Yaro knows a trick or two...... See ya on the Green! Allen At 09:46 PM 4/22/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >I makes sense to me Allen, now I'll have to try a gun case with my left >over brain tan.... wait a minute, what left over brain tan...... My >brain tan always seems to get used up real quick, not alot of left over. I >do grease up my pistol holsters for this reason. See ya on the ground. >Randy > > > After you finish your >> leather case, hit it real good with a bear grease and beeswax mixture. >That >> way when the gun comes in and out of the cover it give the gun a bit of >> oil/grease to help keep away the rust. It's worked good for me. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Allen in Fort Hall country >> >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > >--- Randal Bublitz >--- rjbublitz@earthlink.net >we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers, > we are Borrowing > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: wool gun cases Date: 24 Apr 2002 10:01:00 -0500 a good wool blanket will make from 4 to 6 cases depending on how it is cut and if it is doubled or lined---best gun cases in my estimation---I like a canvis liner in the wool it helps to hold out the moisture yet will breath--they usually cost about $25.00 if you buy them---there is a mfg of ramrod tips here in ark that makes and sells them with a liner out of mexican blankets at that price---have 3 or 4 of them and they work good and machine sewed with heavy thread----the canvis also adds a bit of padding---I like a wang tie on them and the length long enough to fold back on the butstock---for a pattern lay the gun down on some brown paper sacks and then add about 2 in on eather side this is a half pattern for cutting---fold the blanket over and lay the pattern on the fold and cut away---add the liner and use a buck stitch to sew and its good for many years---had a friend that was a gunmaker many years ago and he used to make a sleeve out of carpet to ship his guns in just fold over the cun and buckstitch together---guns would arrive without scratches or dings or such worked god with the carpet---could do the same with a old worn pursan run and it would have some character to it---use a heavy cutting needle to sew with that can be bought at joanns fabricsand sew with strong yarn or string--- "HAWK" Michael Pierce Home of "Old Grizz Products" & "the Arkansas Under Hammers" 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor Florida 34684 Phone:1-727-771-1815 e-mail: hawknest4@juno.com web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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Jim ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Casapy123@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Re: K & K History Wagon Tours Date: 26 Apr 2002 00:02:18 EDT Sorry folks, that last post was supposed to go to Clay not the chat list. Please disregard and accept my apologies for being so careless. jim ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Larison" Subject: MtMan-List: bents fort Date: 27 Apr 2002 21:21:31 -0600 ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1EE31.800676C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable henry i came across your message about the fort . it was from a few yea= rs ago. the volunteer program is still active and could use your help. w= e are plasnning a 4th of july progrm if you would be interested? this ev= ent is sponsered by the friends group of the fort. this will be a single= day event only. it will not be a reimbursed event. volunteers are aske= d to come only for the enjoyment of the fort. you could contact me direc= tly or greg holt at the fort. i hope you are still active in living hist= ory and it would be a pleasure to see you again. cordially, =20 bob larison, blacksmith from santa fe ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1EE31.800676C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
henry  i = came across your message about the fort .  it was from a few years a= go. the volunteer program is still active and could use your help.  = we are plasnning a 4th of july progrm if you would be interested?  t= his event is sponsered by the friends group of the fort.  this will = be a single day event only.  it will not be a reimbursed event. = ; volunteers are asked to come only for the enjoyment of the fort.  = you could contact me directly or greg holt at the fort.  i hope you = are still active in living history and it would be a pleasure to see you = again.
 
cordially,
 
bob larison,  blacksmith from santa fe

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My wife and i would be interested in coming to the fort again and helping out over the 4th let me know some more info. Mike Branson

  Robert Larison <Francothefrog@msn.com> wrote:

henry  i came across your message about the fort .  it was from a few years ago. the volunteer program is still active and could use your help.  we are plasnning a 4th of july progrm if you would be interested?  this event is sponsered by the friends group of the fort.  this will be a single day event only.  it will not be a reimbursed event.  volunteers are asked to come only for the enjoyment of the fort.  you could contact me directly or greg holt at the fort.  i hope you are still active in living history and it would be a pleasure to see you again.
 
cordially,
 
bob larison,  blacksmith from santa fe


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Use them for sacking out your cayuses. After he got to where he would stand steady on a loose lead rope while I rubbed, and threw the hides around him, I set it accross his neck and took him for a ride. For those of you who canoe instead of horse, you can try it out on a canoe also, I just don't know how scared they get of things like that. Wynn Ormond ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newbill" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Deer Hides Date: 29 Apr 2002 07:30:35 -0700 -----Original Message----- ...and threw the hides around him, I set it accross his neck and took him for a ride. For those of you who canoe instead of horse, you can try it out on a canoe also, I just don't know how scared they get of things like that. Wynn Ormond ---------------------- I don't know Wynn.... I've seen some pretty flighty canoes. Why, here in the Clearwater country, our "B" dugout will buck, snort, and then toss her riders at the first sign of rough water, Lord only knows what'd she do if I threw a dead deer at her. I ain't that brave..... We're working on dugout #8 now (& I've got the blisters to prove it)... maybe if I sack her before we carve, she'll be better behaved on the wild water..... Regards Lee Newbill AMM #1821 http://users.potlatch.com/bluethistle/ http://www.mountaintoptradingco.com/ ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Deer Hides Date: 29 Apr 2002 11:19:59 EDT In a message dated 4/29/02 5:13:16 AM, leona3@sourceoneinternet.com writes: << For those of you who canoe instead of horse, you can try it out on a canoe also, I just don't know how scared they get of things like that. >> Haaaaaaa......... had a canoe once just roll over because of a dam beaver! Magpie (... the beaver was hanging over my shoulder at the time.....) ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rtlahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Deer Hides Date: 29 Apr 2002 08:44:31 -0700 >For those of you who canoe instead of horse, you can try it out on a canoe also, I just don't know how scared they get of things like that. Wynn Ormond> Wynn, Generally speaking of course, most canoes aren't naturally shy of hides and such but once in a while you'll get one that is.............. Main thing to remember after you "sack" them with a couple hides thrown around them and layed across the thwarts and such is to not go overboard. By that I mean don't pile hides on either a green or hide broke canoe too high. The canoe , any canoe will buck them off if you do that. Trust me. Don't load them off center either. You've got to load the hides low in the canoe and center for best balance and safety not to mention the carrying comfort of the canoe. Off center and the canoe has to work too hard to stay upright. Ever been thrown by an off center canoe? Not a pretty sight I'll tell you! Seen it happen too many times by over zelous and inexperienced canoe packers. Trying to make it down river without taking proper care will do it every time. There's not much sense in having spent all that time collecting all them hides and taking care that they are properly scraped and dryed for market if your just going to get careless with your canoe and get them hides wet or worse, lost overboard. Which brings me to one final point. Tie them in. Do the same with anything else you pack in your canoe that you don't want to dive for or swim for. And in closing, though they are more inherently stable, the same applies to bateau and bull boats. YMOS Capt. Lahti' ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rtlahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Deer Hides Date: 29 Apr 2002 08:59:36 -0700 > I don't know Wynn.... I've seen some pretty flighty canoes. Why, here in > the Clearwater country, our "B" dugout will buck, snort, and then toss her > riders at the first sign of rough water, Lord only knows what'd she do if I > threw a dead deer at her. I ain't that brave..... Lee, I won't comment on your relative bravery, after all you do try to traverse rivers and other bodies of water in dugouts. I'm sure your right about the cantancerous nature of your dug outs. I don't know if it is inherent in the species or whether it is poor breeding habits of the owners. (how the dug outs are bred, not how the owners breed). One problem I can see from a distance (as close as I'm going to get to one of your untamed dugouts at my age) may come from the breeding stock you select. You say your using Yellow Pine? Perhaps you are really using a SUB species? Yellow Water Pine? As I have noticed from the safety of the high bank your dugouts tend to not want to deal with white water and tailouts quite the way I think a well trained dugout should. They seem to want to pitch down at the bottom of a rapid stretch of water and not resurface for some distance. Kinda like a sub?! That's why I'm guessing that your using a subspecies, not a true pure bred tree. Anyway it's just a thought and one I doubt you'll spend much time on considering the time you spent deciding to build and man dugouts rather than a proper built bateau, bull boat or canoe. Good luck and good sailing,or scouting the bottom of the Clearwater as it were. Say! An afterthough, have you considered issuing each crew member with a reed to breath through? Saves bailing. YMOS Capt. Lahti' ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Lindberg Subject: MtMan-List: Wisconsin Public Television and more Date: 29 Apr 2002 12:44:59 -0500 If you're interested, Wisconsin Public Television has some interesting shows coming in May. First is "When Wisconsin Was New France" 7 pm Wednesday May 1 and repeated May 6 at 10 pm. Next, "Lewis and Clark: Journey of the Corps of Discovery" part 1 will air May 7th at 9 pm. Part 2 will be May 15 at 9 pm. Finally, May 28th at 9 pm, "Anyplace Wild Special" "Adventuring in Canada: Lewis and Clark's inspiration." Follow the first European to record a journey across North America." "John and Tommy Viehman re-create part of Alexander Mackenzie's 1793 exploration of North America that was an inspiration to Thomas Jefferson." More info can be found at http://wpt.org Looking on going on a voyageur trip around the Apostle Islands in a 36 foot birch bark canoe? Check out http://www.spiritofthevoyageur.com Saw the advertisement in a nature guide. Costs $435, they provide everything but clothes and sleeping gear. I have no personal knowledge of the group, just passing on info. Jim Lindberg Les Voyageurs du Val du Chippewa ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimInTexas1962@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Deer Hides Date: 29 Apr 2002 17:50:30 EDT --part1_3c.1d7ba87b.29ff1a26_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gotta watch them danged canoes!!! them critters can get plum skittish on ye! but so can a 3yr old colt ,but ye aint gotta worry as much about drownin with them. Speaking of sacking out colts ,I start with the sacking "object"folded up and rub em like I am brushing them(the colt)and end up being able to throw,literally, the sack on thier head and lead them while blinded with the sack.have yet to have any wrecks with this procedure and it seems to calm them down ALOT! respectfully Jim Branson Inez TX --part1_3c.1d7ba87b.29ff1a26_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gotta watch them danged canoes!!! them critters can get plum skittish on ye! but so can a 3yr old colt ,but ye aint gotta worry as much about drownin with them. Speaking of sacking out colts ,I start with the sacking "object"folded up and rub em like I am brushing them(the colt)and end up being able to throw,literally, the sack on thier head and lead them while blinded with the sack.have yet to have any wrecks with this procedure and it seems to calm them down ALOT!
                                                                                        respectfully
                                                                                             Jim Branson
                                                                                                    Inez TX --part1_3c.1d7ba87b.29ff1a26_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newbill" Subject: MtMan-List: Deer Hides & Dugouts Date: 29 Apr 2002 16:03:42 -0700 Dearest Capt Lahti > I don't know if it is inherent in the species or whether > it is poor breeding habits of the owners. (how the dug > outs are bred, not how the owners breed). I am deeply wounded by your slanderous verbage as it relates to the breeding of our dugouts. The are bred from the finest "whatever we can get" that is available. I must also point out that tis only the trees we cut from the crumbling slopes of Washington that have ever visited grief upon our poor souls. The Idaho trees float bravely through all. Ok, maybe not through all, but through most... well, some anyway. > I won't comment on your relative bravery, after all you > do try to traverse rivers and other bodies of water in dugouts. To quote me lovely bride on the subject of courage & dugouts..... "ye no lack bravery lad, methinks ye lack sense." Still haven't figgered that out... I gots a jar full of pennies... so I's gots lots of cents. > Good luck and good sailing,or scouting the bottom of the > Clearwater as it were. Say! An afterthough, have you considered > issuing each crew member with a reed to breath through? Saves bailing. As far as the reed idea.... indeed, that might save a goodly amount of time, particularly when it comes to passing through the rapids of the Clearwater... & we don't scout the bottom of the Clearwater, we are merely inspecting the bottom of our boats for barnicles. On another note, I've gotten meself assigned to the University detail for the next three years... should allow me some weekends to dink around with WPH party & crew. Dugouts.... the first submersable water craft! Regards Lee Newbill AMM #1821 http://users.potlatch.com/bluethistle/ http://www.mountaintoptradingco.com/ ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brenda Subject: MtMan-List: Mildew on tent Date: 29 Apr 2002 18:53:54 -0500 After the Southwest "Raindezvous" in Ok. The tent that my friend loaned someone was not put back up to Dry out, so it is heavily mildewed. What can we clean it with? Brenda ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mildew on tent Date: 29 Apr 2002 21:28:25 EDT --part1_b9.1fd4ed06.29ff4d39_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brenda, A tentsmith once told me that you put the tent up, scrub it inside and out with a mixture of detergent and bleach, and rinse it really well with lots of water. He said soap cleans it and bleach both kills the bacteria and lightens the stain. IIRC, he said it would be difficult to remove all the discoloration, but stopping the mildew growth was the most important thing. After it drys completely you can pack it up, or if you were going to re-waterproof or flame-retard the canvas, this would be the time to do so. Barney --part1_b9.1fd4ed06.29ff4d39_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brenda, A tentsmith once told me that you put the tent up, scrub it inside and out with a mixture of detergent and bleach, and rinse it really well with lots of water. He said soap cleans it and bleach both kills the bacteria and lightens the stain. IIRC, he said it would be difficult to remove all the discoloration, but stopping the mildew growth was the most important thing.

After it drys completely you can pack it up, or if you were going to re-waterproof or flame-retard the canvas, this would be the time to do so.   

Barney
 --part1_b9.1fd4ed06.29ff4d39_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mildew on tent Date: 29 Apr 2002 21:54:29 -0400 Vinegar (glacial acetic acid 10%) works on mildew as well... As stated, rinse THOROUGHLY or it will smell like a pickle factory... Strong bleach may have a tendency to compromise the integrety of the canvas and will definately remove the water proofing. Vinegar will not rot the fabric... If necessary, you can use a MILD bleach solution to remove the stain, and be sure to rinse THOROUGHLY to get the remnants of the bleach out of the fabric. Al Levins at Spring Valley Lodges sells a great water-proofing solution. Regards, Ad Miller ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phyllis and Don Keas Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bents fort Date: 29 Apr 2002 21:01:30 -0600 The volunteer program would be a lot more active if they got rid of Don = Hill. Don On Sunday, June 15, 1941, Robert Larison wrote: > >henry=A0 i came across your message about the fort .=A0 it was from >a few years ago. the volunteer program is still active and >could use your help.=A0 we are plasnning a 4th of july progrm if >you would be interested?=A0 this event is sponsered by the >friends group of the fort.=A0 this will be a single day event >only.=A0 it will not be a reimbursed event.=A0 volunteers are asked >to come only for the enjoyment of the fort.=A0 you could contact >me directly or greg holt at the fort.=A0 i hope you are still >active in living history and it would be a pleasure to see you again. > =A0 > cordially, > =A0 > bob larison,=A0 blacksmith from santa fe > > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rtlahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mildew on tent Date: 29 Apr 2002 21:13:28 -0700 X-14 works and so does a weak bleach solution, too strong and you may weaken the fabric so just go slow. As soon as the black from the mildew goes away rinse the fabric to get the bleaching agent out. Capt. Lahti' ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 4:53 PM > After the Southwest "Raindezvous" in Ok. The tent that my friend loaned > someone was not put back up to Dry out, so it is heavily mildewed. What > can we clean it with? > Brenda > > > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "WindWalker" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mildew on tent Date: 29 Apr 2002 23:36:28 -0400 Outfitters trick Mildew on tent in spray bottle put 1 tablespoon bleach 1 taqble spoon Borax 2 drops Garlic oil mix.. spray on tent liberal early in morning let sun fully hit tent.. by dusk mildew gone and wont comeback for many months garlic oil holds the "set" on the waterproof already in fabric borax helps whiten and bleach does same and kills spores Windwalker also after treatment a high degree of smoke on tent fabric will deter mildew Remember dry tent out before taking down if possible if not spread out when at home *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/29/02 at 9:13 PM rtlahti wrote: >X-14 works and so does a weak bleach solution, too strong and you may >weaken >the fabric so just go slow. As soon as the black from the mildew goes away >rinse the fabric to get the bleaching agent out. > >Capt. Lahti' > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brenda" >To: >Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 4:53 PM >Subject: MtMan-List: Mildew on tent > > >> After the Southwest "Raindezvous" in Ok. The tent that my friend loaned >> someone was not put back up to Dry out, so it is heavily mildewed. What >> can we clean it with? >> Brenda >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mildew on tent Date: 30 Apr 2002 01:58:18 EDT Brenda for mildew I have had recommended - and used - 50% clorox and water in a spray bottle, scrubbing, and a thorough rinse - then let it dry in the sun. I am really uneasy, though about the Clorox weakening the fibers and that I perhaps didn't rinse out all the residuals. I have read since that vinegar is the thing to use to kill the fungus. I havn't used it yet, but I've wished I had. The Clorox did work - but I am not comfortable. Vinegar, like lemon juice (used with salt) is an acid and acids will kill mould/fungus. so I guess it is a safer way to go. It may take some soap and water scrubbing and a good rins after, as well. If you do try the vinegar (or lemon juice), I'd like to know of your results. Good luck Richard James ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: MtMan-List: Bag Date: 30 Apr 2002 12:06:29 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C1F03F.75AC0C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, Sorry for the crossposting, but I want to say that I recv'd my new = shooting bag from Rick Duvelius last week at = Ft Frederick. The workmanship is fantastic and the price is reasonable = for a handcrafted item. Look him up, its worth it. D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Knives and Iron Accouterments http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning." ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C1F03F.75AC0C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Folks,
 Sorry for the crossposting, but I = want to say=20 that I recv'd my new shooting bag from Rick Duvelius <rlduvelius@your-net.com> = last week=20 at Ft Frederick. The workmanship is fantastic and the price is = reasonable=20 for a handcrafted item.  Look him up, its worth it.
D
 
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Hi Folks,   Thought I'd let you know that another item has been added to the land fund auction.  Items can be seen at:
 
I'll Let magpie explain his donation:
 
I'm sending Hardtack a dozen, self nocked cedar arrows, to put
into the Land auction. I'm not gonna tell ya how long it takes to inlet hard
wood, and hand cut the nocks, or how many brain cells I whacked inhaling
lacquer fumes, but I think you'll like the end result.
 
They are match spined at 60-65 lb draw, weigh 555 grains with 125gr field
points, length is full at 30 inches (29 inches with a broadhead) and
guaranteed to hit what yer aiming at! Of course your "aim" better be good.
 
    The auction will be held May 29, at the AMM National Rdvs. on Our Land in CO..  Anyone can bid on items until May 21, which is when I leave for the National.  Make bids by adding a note on the web site, or e-mail me at my address below.  High Bids received by May 21, will be the opening bid at the actual auction.  Winner need not be present to win.  Prizes will be shipped to you if you are not at the National Rdvs.. 
    
Speaking of ---  don't forget about the Buffalo Hunt Raffle, drawing will be in early Dec..  Check out the Buffalo Raffle Web Site at:
 
Thanks for your attention.   YFAB,  hardtack
 
 
 
 
--- Randal Bublitz
we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers,
we are Borrowing it from our Children
 

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