From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Need some help getting some items! Date: 02 Jan 2003 19:00:17 EST --part1_146.6b4f993.2b462c91_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First, a Happy New Year to you all! Second, I'm in the process of procuring items to use in the decorating of a period type restaurant. The era is 1800-1850, the style is aimed mostly in the direction of trapper, mountain man, etc. Basically, since we all started off in buckskinning, you might have in your possession some items that you aren't using and would like to sell for a reasonable price. The opening of the restaurant will be mid-February, so we are in a bit of a hurry. Some items we're looking for would be: Wall hangers --- snow shoes, traps, pelts, powder horns, shooting bags, pack baskets, etc. Rifles -- he's not looking for great shootable guns. Got a gun with a cracked stock, over-use and looking sorta nasty, CVA's, non-shootable guns, etc. these would all fit the bill as wall hangers we could use. Military -- Cartridge Boxes, etc. Also looking for Indian type items: shields, lances, pack baskets, bows, arrows, etc. Basically anything that would look good on a wall. If you have a digital camera, send me some photos as well as how much you are asking. If no camera is available, send me a note (Traphand@aol.com) or call me (636-349-0855 or 314-267-3466) and we'll talk. If you're local (we're on the outskirts of St. Louis, MO) we could meet up somewhere. Thanks for the help! Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com --part1_146.6b4f993.2b462c91_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First, a Happy New Year to you all!

Second,  I'm in the process of procuring items to use in the decorating of
a period type restaurant.    The era is 1800-1850, the style is aimed mostly
in the direction of trapper, mountain man, etc.    Basically, since we all
started off in buckskinning,  you might have in your possession some
items that you aren't using and would like to sell for a reasonable price.

The opening of the restaurant will be mid-February,  so we are in a bit of
a hurry.

Some items we're looking for would be:

Wall hangers ---  snow shoes, traps,  pelts,  powder horns,  shooting bags,
pack baskets, etc.

Rifles  --  he's not looking for great shootable guns.    Got a gun with a
cracked stock,  over-use and looking sorta nasty,  CVA's,  non-shootable
guns, etc.  these would all fit the bill as wall hangers we could use.

Military --  Cartridge Boxes,  etc.

Also looking for Indian type items:  shields,  lances,  pack baskets,  bows,
arrows,  etc.

Basically anything that would look good on a wall.   

If you have a digital camera, send me some photos as well as how much
you are asking.    If no camera is available,  send me a note (Traphand@aol.com)
or call me (636-349-0855  or 314-267-3466) and we'll talk.    If you're local (we're
on the outskirts of St. Louis, MO) we could meet up somewhere.

Thanks for the help!

Traphand
Rick Petzoldt
Traphand@aol.com
 --part1_146.6b4f993.2b462c91_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Curtain Info needed Date: 02 Jan 2003 19:14:41 EST --part1_158.19c79e0d.2b462ff1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am trying to help decorate a new restaurant being opened by family. It will be in the mountainman/trapper/frontier style of atmosphere.=A0 The=20 goal is to get it open by mid-February.=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 I'm looking for information regarding curtains that would have been used in a log home, era 1770-1850.=A0=A0=A0 It was actually an Inn with 13 rooms and will now be a restaurant.=A0=A0=A0 Not sure of what style to make,=A0 or= =20 what kind of material to procure. Until recently it was a restaurant and the material used for curtains was burlap.=A0=A0=A0 Not sure if this is correct or not.=A0 We've saved them jus= t in=20 case. Any books you would suggest I try to get? This is one of those "women things"=A0 us men just don't know nothin' about! Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com --part1_158.19c79e0d.2b462ff1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am trying to help decorate a new restaurant being op= ened by family.
It will be in the mountainman/trapper/frontier style of atmosphere.=A0 The <= BR> goal is to get it open by mid-February.=A0=A0=A0=A0

I'm looking for information regarding curtains that would have been used
in a log home, era 1770-1850.=A0=A0=A0 It was actually an Inn with 13 rooms<= BR> and will now be a restaurant.=A0=A0=A0 Not sure of what style to make,=A0 or=
what kind of material to procure.

Until recently it was a restaurant and the material used for curtains was burlap.=A0=A0=A0 Not sure if this is correct or not.=A0 We've saved them jus= t in case.

Any books you would suggest I try to get?

This is one of those "women things"=A0 us men just don't know nothin' about!=

Traphand
Rick Petzoldt
Traphand@aol.com
 --part1_158.19c79e0d.2b462ff1_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Powell" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Curtain Info needed Date: 03 Jan 2003 07:13:33 +0000 Rick, A simple homespun, two-color, Checkered broadcloth would be nice however white muslin (unbleached of course) would be simple. Also, unbleached white muslin that is hand dyed in some sort of walnut hull or natural dye would be very nice. They would also have "hand-sewn" edges or left to fray. Just in case, the burlap you kept would work fine too. Hope this helps, Mike Powell AMM #1769 POISON RIVER PARTY "Ride, Ride, Ride" "Aux Aliments du Pays"! >From: Traphand@aol.com >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: earlyamerica@email.sparklist.com, hist_text@lists.xmission.com, >trek-list@euler.gcsu.edu >Subject: MtMan-List: Curtain Info needed >Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:14:41 EST > >I am trying to help decorate a new restaurant being opened by family. >It will be in the mountainman/trapper/frontier style of atmosphere.  The >goal is to get it open by mid-February.     > >I'm looking for information regarding curtains that would have been used >in a log home, era 1770-1850.    It was actually an Inn with 13 rooms >and will now be a restaurant.    Not sure of what style to make,  or >what kind of material to procure. > >Until recently it was a restaurant and the material used for curtains was >burlap.    Not sure if this is correct or not.  We've saved them just in >case. > >Any books you would suggest I try to get? > >This is one of those "women things"  us men just don't know nothin' about! > >Traphand >Rick Petzoldt >Traphand@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ole Jensen Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Curtain Info needed Date: 03 Jan 2003 08:32:28 -0700 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3124427548_82950_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable on 1/2/03 5:14 PM, Traphand@aol.com at Traphand@aol.com wrote: I am trying to help decorate a new restaurant being opened by family. It will be in the mountainman/trapper/frontier style of atmosphere.=A0 The goal is to get it open by mid-February.=A0=A0=A0=A0 I'm looking for information regarding curtains that would have been used in a log home, era 1770-1850.=A0=A0=A0 It was actually an Inn with 13 rooms and will now be a restaurant.=A0=A0=A0 Not sure of what style to make,=A0 or what kind of material to procure. Until recently it was a restaurant and the material used for curtains was burlap.=A0=A0=A0 Not sure if this is correct or not.=A0 We've saved them just in case. Any books you would suggest I try to get? This is one of those "women things"=A0 us men just don't know nothin' about! Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com Rick, Call Colonial Williamsburg and the Smithsonian I check with them on such questions. Where is the buisiness located? would you like a second location= ? Ole --MS_Mac_OE_3124427548_82950_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: MtMan-List: Curtain Info needed on 1/2/03 5:14 PM, Traphand@aol.com at Traphand@aol.com wrote:

I am trying to help decorate = a new restaurant being opened by family.
It will be in the mountainman/trapper/frontier style of atmosphere.=A0 The goal is to get it open by mid-February.=A0=A0=A0=A0

I'm looking for information regarding curtains that would have been used in a log home, era 1770-1850.=A0=A0=A0 It was actually an Inn with 13 rooms
and will now be a restaurant.=A0=A0=A0 Not sure of what style to make,=A0 or
what kind of material to procure.

Until recently it was a restaurant and the material used for curtains was burlap.=A0=A0=A0 Not sure if this is correct or not.=A0 We've saved them just in ca= se.

Any books you would suggest I try to get?

This is one of those "women things"=A0 us men just don't know nothi= n' about!

Traphand
Rick Petzoldt
Traphand@aol.com


Rick,
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--============_-1170463540==_ma============-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List:Mike Moores's Book Review Date: 06 Jan 2003 00:30:49 EST Hello The Camp Heroes to Me by Mike Moore I received and read the very first copy of the book ahead of the first edition printing. Had Mike sign it also. Mike did an excellent job of presenting various aspects of the Rocky Mountaineer by using mostly primary sources, journals, narratives and ledgers of the Rocky Mountain Fur Trade. He uses the time period 1807 thru 1845 which is 5 years beyond that is used by the AMM and most students of the RMFT. But this allows him to use some very valuable sources, Rufus Sage, Francis Parkman, and George Ruxton. They without a doubt give some of the best descriptions of the Mountaineer, his equipage and his actives. His book in paper back with 192 pages is divided into 24 short sections on various topics like, The Look, The Trappers Camp, The Other Half, Bullboats, Buffalo and Caches. Each section can be read in one sitting the cultural center. This is a top shelf book that both the new comer and the and the well studied will use again and again. The new comer will find it invaluable, saving him much reading time in his search the persona of the Mountaineer and a valuable list of should read books. The well studied will find himself trying to identify the source of the quote without checking the footnote and the bibliography at the end of each section. He will also discover some sources that he hasn't read and some that he should read again. At the end of the book is recommended reading list, not all the sources that are used are in this list, but are in the bibliography at the end of each section. Make sure and add them. I would highly recommend buying two of Mike's books. One for highlighting and adding more quotes that you discover in future studies that pertain to the section topics and one that is signed and left in an unmarked condition. I will get my second copy later this month. A copy can be had for about $21 including shipping and handling from: Mike Moore amm1616@earthlink.net 2078 South Zenobia Denver, CO 80219 303-238-4656 Good Reading your Brother Mark "Roadkill" Loader AMM #1849 Jim Baker Party Leader No Knowledge is gained from a book left unread ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Travios Date: 08 Jan 2003 18:20:10 -0700 Pardon my spelling I cannot get it close enough for even the computer to tell how they spell it. Anyhow I saw in a T&LR recently that someone had used a travios to pack their stuff on. Has anyone else used one? I wondered if they would dig trenches as you go along making them a bit unethical, at least for me. I also wonder if they would be any better than a pack under most conditions but having never used one I don't know. I recall someone writing that they don't sidehill very well too. They are definately historical but I wonder how practical a travios is now days. Then again maybe I just don't like the idea that those poles might bend my "gril friends" ears as Crazy calls her on his website! Wynn Ormond ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios Date: 08 Jan 2003 20:29:06 -0600 > > Anyhow I saw in a T&LR recently that someone had used a travios to pack > their stuff on. Has anyone else used one? I presume you are refering to a human propelled travois. I have used one....once. Trust me and forget the notion entirely unless you have the self control to put no more on a travois than you can carry on you back. The thing is capable of holding a mountain of stuff and before you know it you can have more plunder loaded than a mule can carry and have room to spare. Don't load it and test pull it around your yard for thirty or forty feet and pronounce it a cinch to manage. It's a lie! As near as I could figure my travois (made with well cured, lightweight 10-12 foot lodgepole pine no more than 4 inches in diameter at the bases, mind you) gained between one and two pounds for each foot of travel. I hauled that instrument of torture less than 3/4 mile and I swear that in addition to my original plunder there was an iron stove and a Mosler safe on it. > > I wondered if they would dig trenches as you go along making them a bit > unethical, at least for me. They do make two nice furrows. I don't know about ethics, but they do make it easy to follow your trail. I also wonder if they would be any better than > a pack under most conditions but having never used one I don't know. I > recall someone writing that they don't sidehill very well too. They are > definately historical but I wonder how practical a travios is now days. Build a big one and use a horse to pull it or go lie down until the notion passes. A small human pulled travois??? Nix Nix Fuhgittaboutit unless you pack it so lightly that people think you left half you stuff at home. DON'T FORGET.....NO MORE THAN YOU CAN CARRY ON YOUR BACK Now....on the other hand having the little 7X7 pryamid tent I packed in along with the two shear poles to hold it up, pretty much saved my arse when the weather turned very rainy...stormy, in fact...... and the temp hovered just above freezing for a couple of days. Having an entirely enclosed tent was a blessing beyond belief. Warm and dry beats cold and wet every time. So, do what you think best but if the experience leaves you broken and bleeding don't say I didn't warn you. Good Luck Lanney Ratcliff > > Then again maybe I just don't like the idea that those poles might bend my > "gril friends" ears as Crazy calls her on his website! > > Wynn Ormond > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios Date: 08 Jan 2003 20:13:34 -0800 I also tried a human powered travois ONCE...... We abandonded the idea quickly. We took one pole at a time, tied a bundle to it, put one pole one one guys shoulder, the other end of pole on the other guys shoulder and carried in that way. The friction (drag) made the travois very impracticle. We quickly learned why the old timers made the BIG animals pull the travois. I agree with lanney, the only way you could pull a travois with a man is to have the load so light you might as well carry it on your back and not fight the forces of physics (drag). My opinion, hardtack Randal Bublitz rjbublitz@earthlink.net Freedom is Not Free > [Original Message] > From: Lanney Ratcliff > To: > Date: 1/8/03 6:29:06 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios > > > > > > > Anyhow I saw in a T&LR recently that someone had used a travios to pack > > their stuff on. Has anyone else used one? > > I presume you are refering to a human propelled travois. I have used > one....once. Trust me and forget the notion entirely unless you have the > self control to put no more on a travois than you can carry on you back. > The thing is capable of holding a mountain of stuff and before you know it > you can have more plunder loaded than a mule can carry and have room to > spare. Don't load it and test pull it around your yard for thirty or forty > feet and pronounce it a cinch to manage. It's a lie! As near as I could > figure my travois (made with well cured, lightweight 10-12 foot lodgepole > pine no more than 4 inches in diameter at the bases, mind you) gained > between one and two pounds for each foot of travel. I hauled that > instrument of torture less than 3/4 mile and I swear that in addition to my > original plunder there was an iron stove and a Mosler safe on it. > > > > > I wondered if they would dig trenches as you go along making them a bit > > unethical, at least for me. > > They do make two nice furrows. I don't know about ethics, but they do make > it easy to follow your trail. > > I also wonder if they would be any better than > > a pack under most conditions but having never used one I don't know. I > > recall someone writing that they don't sidehill very well too. They are > > definately historical but I wonder how practical a travios is now days. > > Build a big one and use a horse to pull it or go lie down until the notion > passes. A small human pulled travois??? Nix Nix Fuhgittaboutit unless > you pack it so lightly that people think you left half you stuff at home. > DON'T FORGET.....NO MORE THAN YOU CAN CARRY ON YOUR BACK > Now....on the other hand having the little 7X7 pryamid tent I packed in > along with the two shear poles to hold it up, pretty much saved my arse when > the weather turned very rainy...stormy, in fact...... and the temp hovered > just above freezing for a couple of days. Having an entirely enclosed tent > was a blessing beyond belief. Warm and dry beats cold and wet every time. > So, do what you think best but if the experience leaves you broken and > bleeding don't say I didn't warn you. > > Good Luck > Lanney Ratcliff > > > > > > > > > Then again maybe I just don't like the idea that those poles might bend my > > "gril friends" ears as Crazy calls her on his website! > > > > Wynn Ormond > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios Date: 08 Jan 2003 23:09:01 -0500 I gotta agree with Lanney and Hardtack.... Spent time building a period travois... Poles, rawhide, all period correct.. Used it once on a doins during the Winter. Only a mile or so to the camp.. Was damned good firewood when I got there.... D ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:13 PM > I also tried a human powered travois ONCE...... We abandonded the idea > quickly. We took one pole at a time, tied a bundle to it, put one pole one > one guys shoulder, the other end of pole on the other guys shoulder and > carried in that way. The friction (drag) made the travois very > impracticle. We quickly learned why the old timers made the BIG animals > pull the travois. I agree with lanney, the only way you could pull a > travois with a man is to have the load so light you might as well carry it > on your back and not fight the forces of physics (drag). My opinion, > hardtack > > Randal Bublitz > rjbublitz@earthlink.net > Freedom is Not Free > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Lanney Ratcliff > > To: > > Date: 1/8/03 6:29:06 PM > > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow I saw in a T&LR recently that someone had used a travios to pack > > > their stuff on. Has anyone else used one? > > > > I presume you are refering to a human propelled travois. I have used > > one....once. Trust me and forget the notion entirely unless you have the > > self control to put no more on a travois than you can carry on you back. > > The thing is capable of holding a mountain of stuff and before you know it > > you can have more plunder loaded than a mule can carry and have room to > > spare. Don't load it and test pull it around your yard for thirty or > forty > > feet and pronounce it a cinch to manage. It's a lie! As near as I could > > figure my travois (made with well cured, lightweight 10-12 foot lodgepole > > pine no more than 4 inches in diameter at the bases, mind you) gained > > between one and two pounds for each foot of travel. I hauled that > > instrument of torture less than 3/4 mile and I swear that in addition to > my > > original plunder there was an iron stove and a Mosler safe on it. > > > > > > > > I wondered if they would dig trenches as you go along making them a bit > > > unethical, at least for me. > > > > They do make two nice furrows. I don't know about ethics, but they do > make > > it easy to follow your trail. > > > > I also wonder if they would be any better than > > > a pack under most conditions but having never used one I don't know. I > > > recall someone writing that they don't sidehill very well too. They are > > > definately historical but I wonder how practical a travios is now days. > > > > Build a big one and use a horse to pull it or go lie down until the notion > > passes. A small human pulled travois??? Nix Nix Fuhgittaboutit unless > > you pack it so lightly that people think you left half you stuff at home. > > DON'T FORGET.....NO MORE THAN YOU CAN CARRY ON YOUR BACK > > Now....on the other hand having the little 7X7 pryamid tent I packed in > > along with the two shear poles to hold it up, pretty much saved my arse > when > > the weather turned very rainy...stormy, in fact...... and the temp hovered > > just above freezing for a couple of days. Having an entirely enclosed > tent > > was a blessing beyond belief. Warm and dry beats cold and wet every time. > > So, do what you think best but if the experience leaves you broken and > > bleeding don't say I didn't warn you. > > > > Good Luck > > Lanney Ratcliff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then again maybe I just don't like the idea that those poles might bend > my > > > "gril friends" ears as Crazy calls her on his website! > > > > > > Wynn Ormond > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios Date: 08 Jan 2003 22:45:25 -0800 The travois was an implement of the Plains Culture, first with dogs later horses. On the Plains it allowed packing goods without needing a lot of specialized pack gear. Other than on the Plains they are too cumbersome to use. I tried one on a horse and it is better than nothing to pack on. I'm certain after a thousand miles of hauling one some old timey tricks would be learned, which would make it lots easier; there's a technique and learning to near everything. Packs and saddles were easier for me to make work, everywhere. With packs on mules you can go lots of places a travois can't possibly get through. For hand use one of several styles of sled or sledge would be much more practical and at least as appropriate. Toboggan, dog sled (several excellent styles to choose from), or one of the aforementioned sledges all can be very practical ways to tote heavier loads. The best one to use depends on the terrain where you use it, and the season you use it in, and a whether you have a buddy to help with the "push-me-pull-you". Or just do without! John... At 08:13 PM 1/8/03, you wrote: >I also tried a human powered travois ONCE...... We abandonded the idea >quickly. We took one pole at a time, tied a bundle to it, put one pole one >one guys shoulder, the other end of pole on the other guys shoulder and >carried in that way. The friction (drag) made the travois very >impracticle. We quickly learned why the old timers made the BIG animals >pull the travois. I agree with lanney, the only way you could pull a >travois with a man is to have the load so light you might as well carry it >on your back and not fight the forces of physics (drag). My opinion, >hardtack > >Randal Bublitz >rjbublitz@earthlink.net >Freedom is Not Free > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Lanney Ratcliff > > To: > > Date: 1/8/03 6:29:06 PM > > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow I saw in a T&LR recently that someone had used a travios to pack > > > their stuff on. Has anyone else used one? > > > > I presume you are refering to a human propelled travois. I have used > > one....once. Trust me and forget the notion entirely unless you have the > > self control to put no more on a travois than you can carry on you back. > > The thing is capable of holding a mountain of stuff and before you know it > > you can have more plunder loaded than a mule can carry and have room to > > spare. Don't load it and test pull it around your yard for thirty or >forty > > feet and pronounce it a cinch to manage. It's a lie! As near as I could > > figure my travois (made with well cured, lightweight 10-12 foot lodgepole > > pine no more than 4 inches in diameter at the bases, mind you) gained > > between one and two pounds for each foot of travel. I hauled that > > instrument of torture less than 3/4 mile and I swear that in addition to >my > > original plunder there was an iron stove and a Mosler safe on it. > > > > > > > > I wondered if they would dig trenches as you go along making them a bit > > > unethical, at least for me. > > > > They do make two nice furrows. I don't know about ethics, but they do >make > > it easy to follow your trail. > > > > I also wonder if they would be any better than > > > a pack under most conditions but having never used one I don't know. I > > > recall someone writing that they don't sidehill very well too. They are > > > definately historical but I wonder how practical a travios is now days. > > > > Build a big one and use a horse to pull it or go lie down until the notion > > passes. A small human pulled travois??? Nix Nix Fuhgittaboutit unless > > you pack it so lightly that people think you left half you stuff at home. > > DON'T FORGET.....NO MORE THAN YOU CAN CARRY ON YOUR BACK > > Now....on the other hand having the little 7X7 pryamid tent I packed in > > along with the two shear poles to hold it up, pretty much saved my arse >when > > the weather turned very rainy...stormy, in fact...... and the temp hovered > > just above freezing for a couple of days. Having an entirely enclosed >tent > > was a blessing beyond belief. Warm and dry beats cold and wet every time. > > So, do what you think best but if the experience leaves you broken and > > bleeding don't say I didn't warn you. > > > > Good Luck > > Lanney Ratcliff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then again maybe I just don't like the idea that those poles might bend >my > > > "gril friends" ears as Crazy calls her on his website! > > > > > > Wynn Ormond > > > >---------------------- Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios Date: 08 Jan 2003 23:51:31 -0500 Hey John. If I could just talk Gwen into carrying everything, all would be grand...' D ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 1:45 AM > The travois was an implement of the Plains Culture, first with dogs later > horses. On the Plains it allowed packing goods without needing a lot of > specialized pack gear. Other than on the Plains they are too cumbersome to > use. I tried one on a horse and it is better than nothing to pack on. I'm > certain after a thousand miles of hauling one some old timey tricks would > be learned, which would make it lots easier; there's a technique and > learning to near everything. Packs and saddles were easier for me to make > work, everywhere. With packs on mules you can go lots of places a travois > can't possibly get through. > > For hand use one of several styles of sled or sledge would be much more > practical and at least as appropriate. Toboggan, dog sled (several > excellent styles to choose from), or one of the aforementioned sledges all > can be very practical ways to tote heavier loads. The best one to use > depends on the terrain where you use it, and the season you use it in, and > a whether you have a buddy to help with the "push-me-pull-you". > > Or just do without! > > John... > > > > At 08:13 PM 1/8/03, you wrote: > >I also tried a human powered travois ONCE...... We abandonded the idea > >quickly. We took one pole at a time, tied a bundle to it, put one pole one > >one guys shoulder, the other end of pole on the other guys shoulder and > >carried in that way. The friction (drag) made the travois very > >impracticle. We quickly learned why the old timers made the BIG animals > >pull the travois. I agree with lanney, the only way you could pull a > >travois with a man is to have the load so light you might as well carry it > >on your back and not fight the forces of physics (drag). My opinion, > >hardtack > > > >Randal Bublitz > >rjbublitz@earthlink.net > >Freedom is Not Free > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Lanney Ratcliff > > > To: > > > Date: 1/8/03 6:29:06 PM > > > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow I saw in a T&LR recently that someone had used a travios to pack > > > > their stuff on. Has anyone else used one? > > > > > > I presume you are refering to a human propelled travois. I have used > > > one....once. Trust me and forget the notion entirely unless you have the > > > self control to put no more on a travois than you can carry on you back. > > > The thing is capable of holding a mountain of stuff and before you know it > > > you can have more plunder loaded than a mule can carry and have room to > > > spare. Don't load it and test pull it around your yard for thirty or > >forty > > > feet and pronounce it a cinch to manage. It's a lie! As near as I could > > > figure my travois (made with well cured, lightweight 10-12 foot lodgepole > > > pine no more than 4 inches in diameter at the bases, mind you) gained > > > between one and two pounds for each foot of travel. I hauled that > > > instrument of torture less than 3/4 mile and I swear that in addition to > >my > > > original plunder there was an iron stove and a Mosler safe on it. > > > > > > > > > > > I wondered if they would dig trenches as you go along making them a bit > > > > unethical, at least for me. > > > > > > They do make two nice furrows. I don't know about ethics, but they do > >make > > > it easy to follow your trail. > > > > > > I also wonder if they would be any better than > > > > a pack under most conditions but having never used one I don't know. I > > > > recall someone writing that they don't sidehill very well too. They are > > > > definately historical but I wonder how practical a travios is now days. > > > > > > Build a big one and use a horse to pull it or go lie down until the notion > > > passes. A small human pulled travois??? Nix Nix Fuhgittaboutit unless > > > you pack it so lightly that people think you left half you stuff at home. > > > DON'T FORGET.....NO MORE THAN YOU CAN CARRY ON YOUR BACK > > > Now....on the other hand having the little 7X7 pryamid tent I packed in > > > along with the two shear poles to hold it up, pretty much saved my arse > >when > > > the weather turned very rainy...stormy, in fact...... and the temp hovered > > > just above freezing for a couple of days. Having an entirely enclosed > >tent > > > was a blessing beyond belief. Warm and dry beats cold and wet every time. > > > So, do what you think best but if the experience leaves you broken and > > > bleeding don't say I didn't warn you. > > > > > > Good Luck > > > Lanney Ratcliff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then again maybe I just don't like the idea that those poles might bend > >my > > > > "gril friends" ears as Crazy calls her on his website! > > > > > > > > Wynn Ormond > > > > > > > >---------------------- > > Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. > John Kramer > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Laura Glise's spiced pecans Date: 08 Jan 2003 23:14:54 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C2B76B.C0B07A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Laura Glise, God rest her soul, used to make spiced pecans she called = "mountaineers nuts" and they were spectacularly tasty. We have a bumper = crop of pecans to use but I cannot find the recipe.......but I know she = shared it on the internet. Does anybody have a copy of her recipe? If = not, I will try to get it from her husband. I hope to visit her grave = before I get well enough to have to go back to work. Presumably her = marker will be in place and I will have photos to share with anybody = interested. Lanney Ratcliff lanneyratcliff@charter.net ______________________________________________________________ Aux Aliments du Pays ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C2B76B.C0B07A50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Laura Glise, God rest her = soul, used to=20 make spiced pecans she called "mountaineers nuts" and they were = spectacularly=20 tasty.  We have a bumper crop of pecans to use but I cannot = find the=20 recipe.......but I know she shared it on the internet.  Does = anybody have a=20 copy of her recipe?  If not, I will try to get it from her = husband.  I=20 hope to visit her grave before I get well enough to have to go back = to=20 work.  Presumably her marker will be in place and I will have = photos to=20 share with anybody interested.
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C2B76B.C0B07A50-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios Date: 08 Jan 2003 21:40:26 -0800 John, After trying many means of packing gear, I have reverted to an ooooldddd method I learned as a youngster...... hope no one complains about my little red wagon in camp ........ hardtack Randal Bublitz rjbublitz@earthlink.net Freedom is Not Free > > The travois was an implement of the Plains Culture, first with dogs later > horses. On the Plains it allowed packing goods without needing a lot of > specialized pack gear. Other than on the Plains they are too cumbersome to > use. I tried one on a horse and it is better than nothing to pack on. I'm > certain after a thousand miles of hauling one some old timey tricks would > be learned, which would make it lots easier; there's a technique and > learning to near everything. Packs and saddles were easier for me to make > work, everywhere. With packs on mules you can go lots of places a travois > can't possibly get through. > > For hand use one of several styles of sled or sledge would be much more > practical and at least as appropriate. Toboggan, dog sled (several > excellent styles to choose from), or one of the aforementioned sledges all > can be very practical ways to tote heavier loads. The best one to use > depends on the terrain where you use it, and the season you use it in, and > a whether you have a buddy to help with the "push-me-pull-you". > > Or just do without! > > John... ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios Date: 09 Jan 2003 07:29:56 -0700 Mr Miles wrote: > Hey John. > If I could just talk Gwen into carrying everything, all would be grand...' Like I said earlier, check out Crazy's website. Under, I believe, horse doins there is pic of my "gril friend" carrying all my stuff and mosta Crazy's too. I just hope for your sake that Gwen is a heap better looking than she is. Or at least not as "intelligent" as mule people like to call them. Randal Bublitz wrote: >John, After trying many means of packing gear, I have reverted to an >ooooldddd method I learned as a youngster...... hope no one complains >about my little red wagon in camp ........ hardtack Red is very historical color and wagons are in Millers paintings. Even read about them in Meeks story. I just can't see any reason someone would complain especially if you used the extra carrying capacity for an earthenware jug. Actually when I asked the original question I was referring to a horse drawn aparatus, however it was from memory of comments from one of you who had tried a human drawn travois that made me question the gains of a horse drawn travois. John's comment that it is better than nothing may be the key to its use. If you can rig up some kind of saddle to hook it to and a little rope etc a person can be on his way with both he and a load being carried. I may have to try it sometime just to say I have. May be a photo op. I could do the Trinity thing and sleep as we go. Wynn ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios Date: 09 Jan 2003 09:56:43 -0500 Wynn, I believe I will tell Gwen you compared her to a mule and let it go from there.. I thinks I will sell tickts to this.. D ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travois Date: 09 Jan 2003 11:30:00 -0700 I believe I have made another mistake. I feel fortunate that you live in Ohio and I live . . . . elsewhere. Wynn ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 7:56 AM > Wynn, > I believe I will tell Gwen you compared her to a mule and let it go from > there.. I thinks I will sell tickts to this.. > D > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travois Date: 09 Jan 2003 13:55:30 -0500 Heck Wynn, It ain't that far to Utah... D ----- Original Message ----- Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 1:30 PM > I believe I have made another mistake. I feel fortunate that you live in > Ohio and I live . . . . elsewhere. > Wynn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Double Edge Forge" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 7:56 AM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios > > > > Wynn, > > I believe I will tell Gwen you compared her to a mule and let it go from > > there.. I thinks I will sell tickts to this.. > > D > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travois Date: 09 Jan 2003 12:40:08 -0700 > Heck Wynn, > It ain't that far to Utah... > D > Especially Southern Utah. Way down. . . . like St George or maybe El Paso. WY ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travois Date: 09 Jan 2003 13:55:44 -0700 > > > Heck Wynn, > > It ain't that far to Utah... > > D > > > Man, I never knew that the Internet could be so dangerous. It gives a whole new meaning to Internet Safety. WY ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JSeminerio@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Laura Glise's spiced pecans Date: 10 Jan 2003 00:22:40 EST --part1_20.6def881.2b4fb2a0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If we get you the recipes will you share us some pecans? John (I can find you anything wholesale) Seminerio --part1_20.6def881.2b4fb2a0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If we get you the recipes will you share us some pecans?

John (I can find you anything wholesale) Seminerio --part1_20.6def881.2b4fb2a0_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Laura Glise's spiced pecans Date: 10 Jan 2003 00:01:01 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C2B83B.5C4D5B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will send a quart of the first batch of mountaineer's nuts (her name = for the spiced pecans) to the first person who sends me Laura Jean's = own recipe. Fair enough? Lanney ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JSeminerio@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:22 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Laura Glise's spiced pecans If we get you the recipes will you share us some pecans?=20 John (I can find you anything wholesale) Seminerio ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C2B83B.5C4D5B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I will send a quart = of  the first=20 batch of mountaineer's nuts (her name for the spiced = pecans)  to=20 the first person who sends me Laura Jean's own recipe.  = Fair=20 enough?
Lanney
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 JSeminerio@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, January 09, = 2003 11:22=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Laura = Glise's=20 spiced pecans

If we get = you the=20 recipes will you share us some pecans?

John (I can find you = anything=20 wholesale) Seminerio ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C2B83B.5C4D5B70-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Laura Glise's spiced pecans Date: 10 Jan 2003 10:31:53 -0500 How about sharing the receipe if you get it? :) Regards, Ad ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Laura Glise's spiced pecans Date: 10 Jan 2003 10:21:57 -0600 Absolutely.....and it's WHEN not IF. I'll get it one way or the other and post it. Laura brought a lot of them to the Gros Ventre rendezvous in Wyoming in '99 and several folks got a handful of them. They are what we Texians call "jist flat good". Lanney ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 9:31 AM > How about sharing the receipe if you get it? :) > > Regards, > > Ad > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" Subject: MtMan-List: Off to the Alafia Date: 11 Jan 2003 17:38:44 -0500 Leaving out of here in the morning for SUNNY (and chilly) Homeland, FL for the Alafia. If any of you make it, look us up. We will be on traders Row, and vicki's company is Meadowsweet Trading Company. Come on by for a cup of coffee and sweetner or just plain sweetner... *grins* ... Love meeting new friends... I'll be unsubscribing for the next 18 days... Regards, Ad Miller ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: scary incident Date: 13 Jan 2003 13:08:31 -0600 > I thought I would pass along this little incident that my neighbor, Sam > Keller, experienced. Darned scary. > Lanney > > > > > > > > > > > > At a local Flea Market this last week,I purchased a Jukar 45 caliber > > > Pistol. It showed no signs of ever having been fired, in fact, the > > > hammer would not engage the nipple in order to be fired. The person > > > who was looking at it as I came up dry fired it twice (Making me > > > cringe). I purchased it, took it to my truck and put it behind the > > > seat until this weekend. > > > Sunday night, I took it into the house in order to start the > > > needed refitting of the lock. And for some reason, I dropped the > > > ramrod into the barrel. It only dropped down about 1 1/2 inch. My > > > blood ran cold, I had been carrying a loaded weapon around in my Truck > > > for 4 days. > > > I had neglected a life time of training, and did not > > > check the gun when I picked it up in the first place. I used a ball > > > puller and unloaded the gun. It had a paper patched roundball, and > > > approx. 125 grains of a duplex load of FF black powder and Smokeless > > > powder. > > > > > > Just an object lesson to me and a reminder to everyone else. When > > > you look at ANY gun, check to see if it is loaded. > > > I contacted the Man I purchased it Pistol from, he had been > > > carrying it around for 4 months. And had no Ideal that it was loaded, > > > he had purchased it at an estate sale in Oklahoma. > > > > > > I was lucky, the gun did not go off, but I needed my > > > BUTT Kicked for not doing as My Dad drummed into my head all my life, > > > "TREAT ALL GUNS AS IF THEY WERE LOADED, UNTIL YOU PERSONALLY CHECK'. > > > > > > > > > Sam Keller > > > A good lesson there. Another is the dangerous nature of the load that > was > > in the pistol. NEVER, repeat NEVER put any amount of any kind of > smokeless > > powder in ANY gun marked for black powder only. Jukars are not known as > > super strong guns to begin with, but even the strongest black power gun is > > not made to withstand the much higher pressures of smokeless powder. > There > > was a serious danger that Sam's pistol would have detonated with that > load, > > putting the shooter and any bystanders in serious danger...including the > > loss of life. > > Thanks Sam for this excellent example of being careful with all guns, > black > > powder guns especially. > > Lanney Ratcliff > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs Date: 13 Jan 2003 21:08:30 EST Hello the Camp Recently went on a Buffalo Hunt in South Dakota. I was a close to a real Buffalo hunt as one can expect today. Five were made meat of out of herd of 200 on four square miles and once they broke the fence down and went for a two mile jaunt. But watching them being butchered brought up a question. What about them hump ribs that the mountaineers spoke so highly of? My experience with rib is a lot of cooking an a good sauce. So what did they do? Here is my take. After taking a look at Miller's painting Taking the Hump Rib and looking at meat cuts. The cow's legs were spread to keep it on its belly. A cut was made along the center of the back from neck to rump. The hide was skinned down both sides to middle of the rib cage. Leaving the hump and the upper portion of the side ribs exposed. A belt ax was then used to cut (chop) the ribs along both side just below the loin. The spine was cut at each end and the whole section was lifted out. This is area that T bone and porter house steaks or Rib eye and tender loin roasts come from. Back at camp the sinew would be removed the whole section cut into shorter sections put on stakes leaning over the fire to slow cook. As it cooked the outer portions of done meat were sliced off. The painting Cooking the Hump Ribs shows what was left after the best had been eaten. The ribs served as a means to keep the meat together while transporting and cooking. What do you think or know Mark "Roadkill" Loader ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: scary incident Date: 14 Jan 2003 03:00:40 EST --part1_77.7257587.2b551da8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello to all, My boss had me come in to his office one day to see a couple of black powder muzzle loading pistols he had picked up at an estate sale cheap. He really wanted me to give him a value. The first was a cheap Japan manufacture .75 smoothbore with a bad lock and trigger no problem no real value. But the second was a .32 or .36 ( I did not mic it) double barrel cap lock and look to be an original (I did not compare proof marks or manufacturers marks) but it did not have a ram rod. I do not no why I did it, I suppose it is habit, but I took the ramrod from the Jap pistol and checked the doubles barrels. BOTH were loaded. And he had it sitting on his desk aimed at his best employee (not me, the CFO). I have a friend that worked in a gun store for years and he admits to having a wall hanger flint lock come in for an estimate as to value. He cocked it without priming, pulled the trigger and shot a hole threw the roof. Last time he pulled the trigger without checking the status of the barrel. So as the old saying goes every gun should be treated as a loaded gun. Y.M.O.S. C.T.Oakes --part1_77.7257587.2b551da8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello to all,

My boss had me come in to his office one day to see a couple of black powder muzzle loading pistols he had picked up at an estate sale cheap.  He really wanted me to give him a value.  The first was a cheap Japan manufacture .75 smoothbore with a bad lock and trigger no problem no real value.  But the second was a .32 or .36 ( I did not mic it) double barrel cap lock and look to be an original (I did not compare proof marks or manufacturers marks) but it did not have a ram rod.  I do not no why I did it, I suppose it is habit, but I took the ramrod from the Jap pistol and checked the doubles barrels.  BOTH were loaded.  And he had it sitting on his desk aimed at his best employee (not me, the CFO).

I have a friend that worked in a gun store for years and he admits to having a wall hanger flint lock come in for an estimate as to value.  He cocked it without priming,  pulled the trigger and shot a hole threw the roof.  Last time he pulled the trigger without checking the status of the barrel.  

So as the old saying goes every gun should be treated as a loaded gun.

Y.M.O.S.

C.T.Oakes --part1_77.7257587.2b551da8_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Last Chance ---- Need Walhangers!!! Date: 14 Jan 2003 03:33:39 EST --part1_19d.f3a9ddd.2b552563_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The restaurant opens on February 1st (they are expecting their first little one so the opening has been moved up!) We are still looking for: If you live anywhere near St. Louis: 1. Old guns for wallhangers. Nothing expensive. Doesn't need to look fancy. Doesn't have to be shootable. Just cheap and wall hangable! If you live anywhere: 2. Pelts. Nothing fancy. Just things you've got settin' around collecting dust and irritating the little woman. 3. Old rusty traps. Thanks! And I'll be posting details for those of you in or near St Louis looking for a new place to check out. We'll be giving a 10% discount to anyone who comes to the restaurant in period attire. Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com --part1_19d.f3a9ddd.2b552563_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The restaurant opens on February 1st (they are expecting their first little
one so the opening has been moved up!)  

We are still looking for:

If you live anywhere near St. Louis:
1.    Old guns for wallhangers.    Nothing expensive.  Doesn't need to look fancy.   Doesn't have to be shootable.    Just cheap and wall hangable!

If you live anywhere:
2.    Pelts.    Nothing fancy.    Just things you've got settin' around collecting
dust and irritating the little woman.

3.    Old rusty traps.

Thanks!    And I'll be posting details for those of you in or near St Louis
looking for a new place to check out.    We'll be giving a 10% discount
to anyone who comes to the restaurant in period attire.

Traphand
Rick Petzoldt
Traphand@aol.com
 --part1_19d.f3a9ddd.2b552563_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Mouth Waterin' Vittles Date: 14 Jan 2003 03:36:24 EST --part1_9b.32711486.2b552608_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got your attention? OKay, the restaurant opens Feb. 1st and I have now been asked to suggest a few items that could be added to the menu as appetizers, or light meals. Keep in mind that the fryers have been removed from the restaurant since the Steaks and buffalo burgers will be done outside on the grill. The period covers 1770-1850. Got any ideas or recipes? I need the QUICK!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks! Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com --part1_9b.32711486.2b552608_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got your attention?

OKay,  the restaurant opens Feb. 1st and I have now been asked to
suggest a few items that could be added to the menu as appetizers,
or light meals.

Keep in mind that the fryers have been removed from the restaurant
since the Steaks and buffalo burgers will be done outside on the grill.

The period covers 1770-1850.    Got any ideas or recipes?    I need
the QUICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!    Thanks!

Traphand
Rick Petzoldt
Traphand@aol.com
 --part1_9b.32711486.2b552608_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Roberts" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mouth Waterin' Vittles Date: 14 Jan 2003 06:36:39 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C2BB97.4AF940A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Buffalo tongue - boiled and sliced. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Traphand@aol.com=20 To: Nathanheald@webtv.net ; buckconner@earthlink.net ; = earlyamerica@email.sparklist.com ; hist_text@lists.xmission.com ; = cde@fidnet.com ; jsdavis@yhti.net ; dtkehoe@webound.com ; = EBCLEMSON@webtv.net ; harris4t@fidnet.com ; strandy@prodigy.net ; = smithm@mail.conservation.state.mo.us ; JDutcher17@aol.com ; = Tannbak@aol.com ; medickey@mid-mo.net ; SACBG7@aol.com ; = HuskerMojo@cox.net ; nich@ninenet.com ; dlawrence7@cox.net ; = tonyg@shawnee.cc.il.us ; jlundgren@juno.com ; manipi@msn.com ; = annita@planetsos.com ; olhmilitia@prodigy.net ; Jackschmidt@aol.com ; = US2INFCO@juno.com ; trek-list@euler.gcsu.edu ; hawknest4@juno.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 3:36 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Mouth Waterin' Vittles Got your attention? OKay, the restaurant opens Feb. 1st and I have now been asked to suggest a few items that could be added to the menu as appetizers, or light meals. Keep in mind that the fryers have been removed from the restaurant since the Steaks and buffalo burgers will be done outside on the = grill. The period covers 1770-1850. Got any ideas or recipes? I need the QUICK!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks! Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C2BB97.4AF940A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Buffalo tongue - boiled and = sliced.
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From:=20 Traphand@aol.com=20
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Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 = 3:36=20 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Mouth = Waterin'=20 Vittles

Got your attention?

OKay,  the = restaurant opens=20 Feb. 1st and I have now been asked to
suggest a few items that = could be=20 added to the menu as appetizers,
or light meals.

Keep in = mind that=20 the fryers have been removed from the restaurant
since the Steaks = and=20 buffalo burgers will be done outside on the grill.

The period = covers=20 1770-1850.    Got any ideas or = recipes?    I=20 need
the QUICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!    = Thanks!

Traphand
Rick Petzoldt
Traphand@aol.com
 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C2BB97.4AF940A0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tipis@attbi.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mouth Waterin' Vittles Date: 14 Jan 2003 16:10:58 +0000 How about some pumkin fry bread and regular fry bread. And these even make a great dessert with fruit slices on top. One of the good restraunts in Denver serves a small buffalo stew as an appitizer. Linda Holley > Buffalo tongue - boiled and sliced. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Traphand@aol.com > To: Nathanheald@webtv.net ; buckconner@earthlink.net ; > earlyamerica@email.sparklist.com ; hist_text@lists.xmission.com ; cde@fidnet.com > ; jsdavis@yhti.net ; dtkehoe@webound.com ; EBCLEMSON@webtv.net ; > harris4t@fidnet.com ; strandy@prodigy.net ; smithm@mail.conservation.state.mo.us > ; JDutcher17@aol.com ; Tannbak@aol.com ; medickey@mid-mo.net ; SACBG7@aol.com ; > HuskerMojo@cox.net ; nich@ninenet.com ; dlawrence7@cox.net ; > tonyg@shawnee.cc.il.us ; jlundgren@juno.com ; manipi@msn.com ; > annita@planetsos.com ; olhmilitia@prodigy.net ; Jackschmidt@aol.com ; > US2INFCO@juno.com ; trek-list@euler.gcsu.edu ; hawknest4@juno.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 3:36 AM > Subject: MtMan-List: Mouth Waterin' Vittles > > > Got your attention? > > OKay, the restaurant opens Feb. 1st and I have now been asked to > suggest a few items that could be added to the menu as appetizers, > or light meals. > > Keep in mind that the fryers have been removed from the restaurant > since the Steaks and buffalo burgers will be done outside on the grill. > > The period covers 1770-1850. Got any ideas or recipes? I need > the QUICK!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks! > > Traphand > Rick Petzoldt > Traphand@aol.com > > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John McKee" Subject: MtMan-List: recipies....off topic Date: 14 Jan 2003 10:38:30 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2BBB9.14A44910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick, One of the cookbooks that I have and have used is ....America Eats = by William Woys Weaver { who has also written the books "A Quaker = Woman's Cookbook", "Sauerkraut Yankees" and "Thirty-five Receipts". = Harper and Row Publishers. Copyrighted in 1989. ISBN 0-06-055177-1 or = ISBN 0-06-096413-8 [paperback].=20 Contact me off list and I can give you individual recipes. = Colonial recipes....most in the later 1800's [ even though they could be = easily adapted to a restaurant ] but some early American ones like = Gumbis, Honey tea cake, Funeral biscuits, green tomato pie and New = England pancakes. YMOS, John The Stitchin' Scotsman 100% Handsewn Elkhide garments and moccasins Manu Forti www.stitchinscotsman.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Traphand@aol.com=20 To: Nathanheald@webtv.net ; buckconner@earthlink.net ; = earlyamerica@email.sparklist.com ; hist_text@lists.xmission.com ; = cde@fidnet.com ; jsdavis@yhti.net ; dtkehoe@webound.com ; = EBCLEMSON@webtv.net ; harris4t@fidnet.com ; strandy@prodigy.net ; = smithm@mail.conservation.state.mo.us ; JDutcher17@aol.com ; = Tannbak@aol.com ; medickey@mid-mo.net ; SACBG7@aol.com ; = HuskerMojo@cox.net ; nich@ninenet.com ; dlawrence7@cox.net ; = tonyg@shawnee.cc.il.us ; jlundgren@juno.com ; manipi@msn.com ; = annita@planetsos.com ; olhmilitia@prodigy.net ; Jackschmidt@aol.com ; = US2INFCO@juno.com ; trek-list@euler.gcsu.edu ; hawknest4@juno.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:36 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Mouth Waterin' Vittles Got your attention? OKay, the restaurant opens Feb. 1st and I have now been asked to suggest a few items that could be added to the menu as appetizers, or light meals. Keep in mind that the fryers have been removed from the restaurant since the Steaks and buffalo burgers will be done outside on the = grill. The period covers 1770-1850. Got any ideas or recipes? I need the QUICK!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks! Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2BBB9.14A44910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rick,
    One of the cookbooks that I have and have used = is=20 ....America Eats by William Woys Weaver { who has also written the books = "A=20 Quaker Woman's Cookbook", "Sauerkraut Yankees" and "Thirty-five = Receipts". =20 Harper and Row Publishers. Copyrighted in 1989. ISBN 0-06-055177-1 or = ISBN=20 0-06-096413-8 [paperback].
    Contact me off list and I can give you = individual=20 recipes.    Colonial recipes....most in the later 1800's = [ even=20 though they could be easily adapted to a restaurant ] but some = early=20 American ones like Gumbis, Honey tea cake, Funeral biscuits, green = tomato=20 pie and New England pancakes.  YMOS,    = John
 
The Stitchin' Scotsman
100% Handsewn Elkhide garments
and=20 moccasins
Manu Forti
www.stitchinscotsman.com
 
 
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From:=20 Traphand@aol.com=20
To: Nathanheald@webtv.net ; buckconner@earthlink.net = ; earlyamerica@email.spark= list.com=20 ; hist_text@lists.xmission.com= ;=20 cde@fidnet.com ; jsdavis@yhti.net ;=20 dtkehoe@webound.com ; EBCLEMSON@webtv.net ; harris4t@fidnet.com ; strandy@prodigy.net ; smithm@mail.conserva= tion.state.mo.us=20 ; JDutcher17@aol.com ; Tannbak@aol.com ; medickey@mid-mo.net ; SACBG7@aol.com ; HuskerMojo@cox.net ; nich@ninenet.com ;=20 dlawrence7@cox.net ; tonyg@shawnee.cc.il.us ; jlundgren@juno.com ; manipi@msn.com ; annita@planetsos.com ; olhmilitia@prodigy.net ; Jackschmidt@aol.com ; US2INFCO@juno.com=20 ; trek-list@euler.gcsu.edu = ; hawknest4@juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 = 2:36=20 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Mouth = Waterin'=20 Vittles

Got your attention?

OKay,  the = restaurant opens=20 Feb. 1st and I have now been asked to
suggest a few items that = could be=20 added to the menu as appetizers,
or light meals.

Keep in = mind that=20 the fryers have been removed from the restaurant
since the Steaks = and=20 buffalo burgers will be done outside on the grill.

The period = covers=20 1770-1850.    Got any ideas or = recipes?    I=20 need
the QUICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!    = Thanks!

Traphand
Rick Petzoldt
Traphand@aol.com
 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2BBB9.14A44910-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs Date: 14 Jan 2003 15:25:07 EST --part1_48.168bf631.2b55cc23_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark As for hump ribs on a buff they are the short ribs that stick up off the spine that form the hump on the buff. As a rule is area on the buff has a layer of yellow fat over it. Which may be part of the reason that made this a prized cut of meat beings how they seemed to be fat starved and liked this type of fare. While part of the back straps do go up this far they are a bit more tender less greasy a little further down the back and more to my liking. See ya in the gut pile looking for boudins. Crazy Cyot --part1_48.168bf631.2b55cc23_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark
As for hump ribs on a buff they are the short ribs that stick up off the spine that form the hump on the buff. As a rule is area on the buff has a layer of yellow fat over it. Which may be part of the reason that made this a prized cut of meat beings how they seemed to be fat starved and liked this type of fare. While part of the back straps do go up this far they are a bit more tender less greasy a little further down the back and more to my liking.
See ya in the gut pile looking for boudins.
Crazy Cyot --part1_48.168bf631.2b55cc23_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Last Chance ---- Need Walhangers!!! Date: 14 Jan 2003 15:39:15 -0800 Traphand, I left a box of rusty muskrat size traps with the Poison River Party of the American Mountain Men last September to be sold to aid the land fund, put a holler out to them & see if any are left. Todd, weren't you appointed the responsible adult at Bridger? John... At 12:33 AM 1/14/03, you wrote: >The restaurant opens on February 1st (they are expecting their first little >one so the opening has been moved up!) > >We are still looking for: > >If you live anywhere near St. Louis: >1. Old guns for wallhangers. Nothing expensive. Doesn't need to >look fancy. Doesn't have to be shootable. Just cheap and wall hangable! > >If you live anywhere: >2. Pelts. Nothing fancy. Just things you've got settin' around >collecting >dust and irritating the little woman. > >3. Old rusty traps. > >Thanks! And I'll be posting details for those of you in or near St Louis >looking for a new place to check out. We'll be giving a 10% discount >to anyone who comes to the restaurant in period attire. > >Traphand >Rick Petzoldt >Traphand@aol.com John T. Kramer >>>As good as old!<<< KRAMER'S BEST ANTIQUE IMPROVER >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< We accept most credit cards, checks, cash, gold, silver, and other common forms of exchange. Order by fax, phone, mail, email; or on-line secure server (soon). mail to: 816-252-9512 voice 816-252-9121 fax Kramer Products, Inc. POB 8715 Sugar Creek, MO 64054 ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mouth Waterin' Vittles Date: 14 Jan 2003 16:28:10 -0800 Lamb Frys; Sweet Breads; turkey livers, gizzards and frys; Rocky Mountain Oysters; yum, yum. All kinds of innards were considered savory delicacies. Brain sandwiches are fine, my father was partial to hog ear sandwiches and pickled pigs feet. All kinds of pickles, relishes and preserves are in keeping with a traditional larder. Perhaps you could set a Pennsylvania Dutch side board with 7 sours & 7 sweets? Hearty and hale thick-as-mud split pea soup made with salt pork and whatever flavorings you got was common fare. Serve with hardtack for a Voyageurs' treat. Don't forget the ration of rum to savor with a clay pipe and hand rubbed tobacco. A bountiful cheese board would be appropriate. Only a Tory would serve tea. John... At 12:36 AM 1/14/03, you wrote: >Got your attention? > >OKay, the restaurant opens Feb. 1st and I have now been asked to >suggest a few items that could be added to the menu as appetizers, >or light meals. > >Keep in mind that the fryers have been removed from the restaurant >since the Steaks and buffalo burgers will be done outside on the grill. > >The period covers 1770-1850. Got any ideas or recipes? I need >the QUICK!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks! > >Traphand >Rick Petzoldt >Traphand@aol.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." Mark Twain ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tetontodd@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Last Chance ---- Need Walhangers!!! Date: 14 Jan 2003 17:47:20 -0800 Right you are John and I was just wondering where I stashed the leftovers from that pile of traps. I'll be looking for them tomorrow and see what's left. I can make a sweet deal on them! Todd On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:39:15 -0800 John Kramer writes: > Traphand, > > I left a box of rusty muskrat size traps with the Poison River Party > of the > American Mountain Men last September to be sold to aid the land > fund, put a > holler out to them & see if any are left. > > Todd, weren't you appointed the responsible adult at Bridger? > > John... > > > At 12:33 AM 1/14/03, you wrote: > >The restaurant opens on February 1st (they are expecting their > first little > >one so the opening has been moved up!) > > > >We are still looking for: > > > >If you live anywhere near St. Louis: > >1. Old guns for wallhangers. Nothing expensive. Doesn't need > to > >look fancy. Doesn't have to be shootable. Just cheap and wall > hangable! > > > >If you live anywhere: > >2. Pelts. Nothing fancy. Just things you've got settin' > around > >collecting > >dust and irritating the little woman. > > > >3. Old rusty traps. > > > >Thanks! And I'll be posting details for those of you in or near > St Louis > >looking for a new place to check out. We'll be giving a 10% > discount > >to anyone who comes to the restaurant in period attire. > > > >Traphand > >Rick Petzoldt > >Traphand@aol.com > > John T. Kramer > > >>>As good as old!<<< > > KRAMER'S BEST ANTIQUE IMPROVER > > >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< > > We accept most credit cards, checks, cash, gold, silver, and other > common > forms of exchange. > > Order by fax, phone, mail, email; or on-line secure server (soon). > > > > mail to: > > 816-252-9512 voice > 816-252-9121 fax > > Kramer Products, Inc. > POB 8715 > Sugar Creek, MO 64054 > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mouth Waterin' Vittles OFF TOPIC Date: 14 Jan 2003 19:01:26 -0600 Mmmmm...testicles, guts and offal. Sounds like the kind of menu to pack 'em in. Never heard of brain sandwiches, but I HAVE eaten brains scrambled with eggs. Had plenty, though. I think I would serve the rum ration as soon as the customer sat down. The first woman customer, bless her heart, failing outright canonization, should have her photograph hung on the wall. You did mention steaks and burgers, didn't you Traphand? I'm done...the rest of you finish up Lanney ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:28 PM > Lamb Frys; Sweet Breads; turkey livers, gizzards and frys; Rocky Mountain > Oysters; yum, yum. All kinds of innards were considered savory > delicacies. Brain sandwiches are fine, my father was partial to hog ear > sandwiches and pickled pigs feet. All kinds of pickles, relishes and > preserves are in keeping with a traditional larder. > > Perhaps you could set a Pennsylvania Dutch side board with 7 sours & 7 sweets? > > Hearty and hale thick-as-mud split pea soup made with salt pork and > whatever flavorings you got was common fare. Serve with hardtack for a > Voyageurs' treat. Don't forget the ration of rum to savor with a clay pipe > and hand rubbed tobacco. > > A bountiful cheese board would be appropriate. > > Only a Tory would serve tea. > > John... > > > > At 12:36 AM 1/14/03, you wrote: > >Got your attention? > > > >OKay, the restaurant opens Feb. 1st and I have now been asked to > >suggest a few items that could be added to the menu as appetizers, > >or light meals. > > > >Keep in mind that the fryers have been removed from the restaurant > >since the Steaks and buffalo burgers will be done outside on the grill. > > > >The period covers 1770-1850. Got any ideas or recipes? I need > >the QUICK!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks! > > > >Traphand > >Rick Petzoldt > >Traphand@aol.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "Suppose you were an idiot. > And suppose you were a member of Congress. > But I repeat myself." > Mark Twain > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mouth Waterin' Vittles OFF TOPIC Date: 14 Jan 2003 22:18:01 EST --part1_1ad.ec9498a.2b562ce9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, The place coming with a bar do you think that will help. rick Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com --part1_1ad.ec9498a.2b562ce9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
John,
       The place coming with a bar do you think that will help.
rick
Traphand
Rick Petzoldt
Traphand@aol.com
 --part1_1ad.ec9498a.2b562ce9_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: MtMan-List: FW: Request for info Date: 14 Jan 2003 19:45:30 -0800 Randal Bublitz rjbublitz@earthlink.net Freedom is Not Free > [Original Message] > From: Rick Griffith > To: rjbublitz@earthlink.net > Date: 1/14/03 5:34:54 PM > Subject: Request for info > > Mr. Bublitz, > My name Rick and I live in Wisconsin. I'm presently subscribing to T&LR. > I'm wondering if you or some other AMM member could help me. I'm looking > for authentic and usable recipes for some of the more common meals that > the AMM members rely on when on the trail or in camp. > I'm trying to be more efficient(less dependency on > coolers/refrigeration)with raw food ingredients by going dehydrated such > as jerky, corn, peas, fruits, etc., but need clever or original ideas on > how to put them together. > If I could obtain just 4 or 5 recipe ideas to rotate with some fresh meat > meals occasionally, that would round out most any encampment I attend. > If you could help or set me on the right track to who might, I would > greatly appreciate it. > I chose your name because yours was the only name in the T&LR with a > e-mail address, sorry. > > Thank you for your time, > Rick Griffith > > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: MtMan-List: FW: RE: Request for info Date: 14 Jan 2003 20:00:04 -0800 Randal Bublitz rjbublitz@earthlink.net Freedom is Not Free > [Original Message] > From: Randal Bublitz > To: Rick Griffith > Date: 1/14/03 7:56:07 PM > Subject: RE: Request for info > > Hi Rick, I forwarded your request to the amm list & the mtn men list. You can subscribe to the mtn man list through the amm website, without being a member. If you are not familiar with, it can be a good resource for info. & entertainment. Check it out & subscribe to the mtn man list, you can get lots of good info. there. I will forward you any responces from the lists. In the mean time I can tell you of some of my tricks. Meat: An old fashioned way to preserve fresh meat without refrigeration is--- fill a large boiler with 1/3 grease (crisco works), push a fresh roast, etc... down into the grease making sure the meat doesn't touch the metal of the can. Fill the can the rest of the way with grease. This will keep that meat fresh for an extended time, as the air can't get to it. When ready pull the meat from the packed grease and cook. The grease will drip off while cooking, while keeping the meat moist. This is my favorite trick on an extended outing. After 3-4 days a nice fresh piece of cooked meat really its the spot. My favorite potatoe recipe is...take a clean potatoe, start slicing it paper thin, slowly increasing the thickness of the slices until you have chunks of poatoe. Cook with some water. The thin slices will cook dowb=n to broth, the thick pieces will be cooked chunks. Put some cheese on it after it is done cooking....a great, hearty potatoe stew. I'll leave at this for now, we'll see what some of the other responses are. Check out the web site mtmen.org and sign up for the mtn man list. See you there. I'll be in touch, don't be afraid to contact me. Yfab, Randy > > Randal Bublitz > rjbublitz@earthlink.net > Freedom is Not Free > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Rick Griffith > > To: rjbublitz@earthlink.net > > Date: 1/14/03 5:34:54 PM > > Subject: Request for info > > > > Mr. Bublitz, > > My name Rick and I live in Wisconsin. I'm presently subscribing to T&LR. > > I'm wondering if you or some other AMM member could help me. I'm looking > > for authentic and usable recipes for some of the more common meals that > > the AMM members rely on when on the trail or in camp. > > I'm trying to be more efficient(less dependency on > > coolers/refrigeration)with raw food ingredients by going dehydrated such > > as jerky, corn, peas, fruits, etc., but need clever or original ideas on > > how to put them together. > > If I could obtain just 4 or 5 recipe ideas to rotate with some fresh meat > > meals occasionally, that would round out most any encampment I attend. > > If you could help or set me on the right track to who might, I would > > greatly appreciate it. > > I chose your name because yours was the only name in the T&LR with a > > e-mail address, sorry. > > > > Thank you for your time, > > Rick Griffith > > > > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ole Jensen Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mouth Waterin' Vittles Date: 15 Jan 2003 08:25:14 -0700 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3125463915_124733_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 1/14/03 1:36 AM, Traphand@aol.com at Traphand@aol.com wrote: Got your attention? OKay, the restaurant opens Feb. 1st and I have now been asked to suggest a few items that could be added to the menu as appetizers, or light meals. Keep in mind that the fryers have been removed from the restaurant since the Steaks and buffalo burgers will be done outside on the grill. The period covers 1770-1850. Got any ideas or recipes? I need the QUICK!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks! Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com Rick, I thought about starting an eating establishment a couple of years ago and so I did reserch on what works and what does not. 1. Location is everything. 2. It has to be fast (most people only have 1/2 houre for lunch) 3. You make money on drinks and verry litle on the food, a large coke is about .10 per drink and you can sell it for 1.25/ea The menue I chose was as follows. 1. Spicey barbecued (smoked) beef sandwich 2. Mild barbecued (smoked) beef sandwich with the same sandwiches available in pork and chicken. 3. Barbecued (smoked) turkey brest, bacon and avacado sandwich on butter lettuce. My main concern was waiste, but I figured barbecue'd meats get better the longer they simmer. I catered these dishes and found that people excepted them and were asking for recipe's For a desert I usualy make a rasberry cobler with either yellow cake or chocolate. Take these ideas for what there worth. Ole --MS_Mac_OE_3125463915_124733_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: MtMan-List: Mouth Waterin' Vittles on 1/14/03 1:36 AM, Traphand@aol.com at Traphand@aol.com wrote:

Got your attention?

OKay,  the restaurant opens Feb. 1st and I have now been asked to
suggest a few items that could be added to the menu as appetizers,
or light meals.

Keep in mind that the fryers have been removed from the restaurant
since the Steaks and buffalo burgers will be done outside on the grill.

The period covers 1770-1850.    Got any ideas or recipes? &n= bsp;  I need
the QUICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!    Thanks!

Traphand
Rick Petzoldt
Traphand@aol.com


Rick,
I thought about starting an eating establishment a couple of years ago and = so I did reserch on what works and what does not.
1. Location is everything.
2. It has to be fast (most people only have 1/2 houre for lunch)
3. You make money on drinks and verry litle on the food, a large coke is ab= out .10 per drink and you can sell it for 1.25/ea
The menue I chose was as follows.
1. Spicey barbecued (smoked) beef sandwich
2. Mild barbecued (smoked) beef sandwich
with the same sandwiches available in pork and chicken.
3. Barbecued (smoked) turkey brest, bacon and avacado sandwich on butter le= ttuce.
My main concern was waiste, but I figured barbecue'd meats get better the l= onger they simmer.
I catered these dishes and found that people excepted them and were asking = for recipe's
For a desert I usualy make a rasberry cobler with either yellow cake or cho= colate.
Take these ideas for what there worth.
Ole --MS_Mac_OE_3125463915_124733_MIME_Part-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "busterize" Subject: MtMan-List: Please trim lists Date: 15 Jan 2003 11:37:54 -0700 While I gain a lot of knowledge from all you ol' hands on this list, I sure wish you'd trim the replies so they wouldn't keep repeating! Geri ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs Date: 16 Jan 2003 14:43:21 EST --part1_1cc.180f3b.2b586559_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello to Camp, Sept. 1850, Jim Bridger guided Captain Howard Stansbury across the Laramie Plain on the northern tip of the Medicine Bows. Stansbury wrote of "butchering mountain fashion" : the skinning process commences by making an incision along the top of the backbone, and separating the hide downward, so as to get the more quickly at what are considered the choice parts of the animal. These are the "bass," a hump projecting from the back of the neck just before the shoulders, and which is generally removed with the skin attached: it is about the size of a man's head, and when boiled, resembles marrow, being exceedingly tender, rich, and nutritious. Next comes the "hump" and the "hump ribs," projections of the vertebrae just behind the shoulders, some of which are a foot in length. These are generally broken off by a mallet made of the lower joint of one of the forelegs, cut off of the purpose. After these come the "fleece," portions of flesh covering the ribs; the "depuis," a broad. fat part extending from the shoulders to the tail; the "belly fleece," some of the ribs, called "side ribs," to distinguish them from the hump ribs; the thigh or marrow-bones, and the tongue. Generally the animal is opened and the tenderloin and tallow secured. All the rest, including the hams and shoulders-indeed by far the greater portion of the animal-is left on the ground. When buffalo are plenty, the hump, bass, and tongue-very frequently only the latter-are taken, and occasionally a marrowbone for a tit-bit." It may be 1850, but it was still pretty the same when it came to buffalo. Bill G. --part1_1cc.180f3b.2b586559_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello to Camp,
Sept. 1850, Jim Bridger guided Captain Howard Stansbury across the Laramie Plain on the northern tip of the Medicine Bows. Stansbury wrote of "butchering mountain fashion" : the skinning process commences by making an incision along the top of the backbone, and separating the hide downward, so as to get the more quickly at what are considered the choice parts of the animal. These are the "bass," a hump projecting from the back of the neck just before the shoulders, and which is generally removed with the skin attached: it is about the size of a man's head, and when boiled, resembles marrow, being exceedingly tender, rich, and nutritious. Next comes the "hump" and the "hump ribs," projections of the vertebrae just behind the shoulders, some of which are a foot in length. These are generally broken off by a mallet made of the lower joint of one of the forelegs, cut off of the purpose.  After these come the "fleece,"  portions of flesh covering the ribs; the "depuis," a broad. fat part extending from the shoulders to the tail; the "belly fleece," some of the ribs, called "side ribs," to distinguish them from the hump ribs; the thigh or marrow-bones, and the tongue. Generally the animal is opened and the tenderloin and tallow secured. All the rest, including the hams and shoulders-indeed by far the greater portion of the animal-is left on the ground. When buffalo are plenty, the hump, bass, and tongue-very frequently only the latter-are taken, and occasionally a marrowbone for a tit-bit."
It may be 1850, but it was still pretty the same when it came to buffalo.
Bill G.
 --part1_1cc.180f3b.2b586559_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mouth Waterin' Vittles Date: 18 Jan 2003 10:08:20 -0700 (MST) Rick, I don't know how many "normal" people would eat brains, gizzards or other innards. I do like Brain Sandwiches, that is an old St.Louis favorite, fried pork brains on rye with onions! Crispy on the outside, a bit chewy on the inside and steaming hot! I have to admit, I haven't eaten any brains since all this Mad Cow, and Chronic Wasting Disease has come around and probably never will again. Lots of weird things live in brains! No, I have a modern recipe that won me the Men's Division Bake Off at our company party one summer. A bake off contest I won three years in a row I might humbly add. I've made it many times in a dutch oven for the trapping/hunting camp and it always was a crowd pleaser. It's like a cobbler and very cheap and easy to make. DUMP CAKE 1 can of crushed pineapple 1 can of blueberry PIE filling 1 pound of butter 1 box of yellow cake mix Simply "dump" the contents of both the pineapple and blueberry pie filling into a greased dutch oven or cake pan. DO NOT drain or strain any of the juices either. Be sure to use PIE FILLING too as it is much thicker and richer than plain blueberries. Apple pie filling can be subsituted for blueberry if you prefer. Stir the two fruits together. Cover this with the DRY yellow cake mix. Cover this all with a layer of sliced slivers of butter until the top is completey covered. Bake for 30- 45 minutes depending on oven or coal temperature. Bake at least until nicely browned. Serve warm. I think it would be great with ice cream but we never have ice cream in beaver camp. I haven't met a trapper or hunter yet who didn't like it or want seconds but then they will eat anything in hunting camp! beaverboy > light meals. > > Keep in mind that the fryers have been removed from the restaurant > since the Steaks and buffalo burgers will be done outside on the grill. > > The period covers 1770-1850. Got any ideas or recipes? I need the > QUICK!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks! > > Traphand > Rick Petzoldt > Traphand@aol.com ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List:Lock/Parts Date: 19 Jan 2003 13:00:39 EST Hello the camp I have flint lock trade gun with a lock with W-CHANCE & SON on the rear of the lock I need a replacment or a main spring, frizen and cock does any on know a source Thanks Mark Roadkill Loader ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Lock/Parts Date: 19 Jan 2003 13:11:46 EST --part1_f9.286ebf73.2b5c4462_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, try DGW.... Dixie Gun Works muzzleloading, blackpowder and rare antique gun supplies. Magpie --part1_f9.286ebf73.2b5c4462_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, try DGW....
Dixie Gun Works muzzleloading, blackpowder and rare antique gun supplies.

Magpie --part1_f9.286ebf73.2b5c4462_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Lock/Parts Date: 21 Jan 2003 10:41:00 -0500 mark go and look at your track of the wolf catalog---their locks are pictured full scale---and check out the springs there---will get you close if you are working on a original and need a replacement---or something you can alter to fit or work--- hawk ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: word definition Date: 20 Jan 2003 14:36:24 -0600 I came across the word "hoydens" in a book I am reading. The setting was the 1832 rendezvous at Pierre's Hole. From the context "trappers........flirted with enterprising red hoydens". I am surmising that it may mean indian prostitutes. Enneyone know fer sure? Also does anyone have the URL for that on-line 1820's dictionary. I lost it in my last computer crash. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, AR http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/ http://www.geocities.com/rifleman1776/photopageflag.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alan Avery Subject: Re: MtMan-List: word definition Date: 20 Jan 2003 13:14:07 -0800 "... Also does anyone have the URL for that on-line 1820's dictionary. I lost it in my last computer crash..." Frank, Don'tcha hate it when that happens? There is an 1828 searchable dictionary link at: http://www.christiantech.com/ I don't know if that is the specific dictionary that you were referring to, but it is one that I use. It doesn't show anything for "hoyden" though... Alan aka Black Knife ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: word definition Date: 20 Jan 2003 16:28:44 EST --part1_170.197875c8.2b5dc40c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank, Nothing in the 1828, but here's the link you requested. Barney Websters 1828 --part1_170.197875c8.2b5dc40c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank, Nothing in the 1828, but here's the link you requested.  Barney

Websters 1828 --part1_170.197875c8.2b5dc40c_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Casapy123@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: word definition Date: 20 Jan 2003 16:43:07 EST --part1_7d.33fd9637.2b5dc76b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Frank, 4 entries found for hoyden. 1. hoy=B7den ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hoidn) n. A high-spirited, boisterous, or saucy girl. adj. High-spirited; boisterous. From earlier hoyden, a rude youth, probably from Dutch heiden, heathen, boor= ,=20 from Middle Dutch. See kaito- in Indo-European Roots.]hoyden=B7ish adj. =20 Source: The American Heritage=AE Dictionary of the English Lang= uage, Fourth=20 Edition Copyright =A9 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. ------------------ =20 2. hoyden 1. Hoiden \Hoi"den\, n. [OE. hoydon a lout, rustic, OD. heyden a heathen,=20 gypsy, vagabond, D. heiden, fr. OD. heyde heath, D. heide. See Heathen, Heath .] [Written also hoyden.] 1. A rude, clownish youth. [Obs.] --Milton. 2. A rude, bold girl; a romp. --H. Kingsley. Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, =A9 1996, 1= 998 MICRA, Inc. =20 3. hoyden \Hoy"den\, n. Same as Hoiden. Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, =A9 1996, 1= 998 MICRA, Inc. =20 4. hoyden adj : used of boisterous girls [syn: hoyden(a), hoydenish, tomboyish] n : a=20 girl who behaves in a boyish manner [syn: tomboy, romp] Hope this helps! Jim Hardee, AMM #1676 =20 =20 --part1_7d.33fd9637.2b5dc76b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Frank,
4 entries found for ho= yden.
1. hoy=B7den  = ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (hoidn)
n. A high-spirited, boisterous, or saucy girl.
adj. High-spirited; boisterous.
From earlier hoyden, a rude youth, probably from Dutch heiden, hea= then, boor, from Middle Dutch. See kaito- in Indo-European Roots.]hoy= den=B7ish adj.
Source: The American Heritage=AE Dictionary of the English Lang= uage, Fourth Edition
Copyright =A9 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
------------------
2. hoyden
1. Hoiden \Hoi"den\, n. [OE. hoydon a lout, rustic, OD. heyden a heathen, gy= psy, vagabond, D. heiden, fr. OD. heyde heath, D. heide. See Heathen, Heath.] [Written also hoyden.] 1. A=20= rude, clownish youth. [Obs.] --Milton.
2. A rude, bold girl; a romp. --H. Kingsley.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, =A9 1996, 1= 998 MICRA, Inc.

3. hoyden
\Hoy"den\, n. Same as Hoiden.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, =A9 1996, 1= 998 MICRA, Inc.

4. hoyden
adj : used of boisterous girls [syn: hoyden(a), hoydenish, tomboyish] n : a girl who behaves=20= in a boyish manner [syn: tomboy, romp]

Hope this helps!

Jim Hardee, AMM #1676

--part1_7d.33fd9637.2b5dc76b_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: word definition Date: 20 Jan 2003 18:02:23 EST --part1_7f.3158bd8a.2b5dd9ff_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank I found Hoiden in the NoahWebster 1828 Dictionary Hoiden n. (W.hoeden, a flirt, awanton, a coquet) A rude, bold girl; aromp a. Rude; bold; inelegant; rustic v. i. To romp rudely or indecently Websters 1983 edition hoyden a bold and boisterous girl, a tomboy, also spelled hoiden hope this helps but don't keep the book and page number a secret Mark "Roadkill" Loader --part1_7f.3158bd8a.2b5dd9ff_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank
I found Hoiden in the NoahWebster 1828 Dictionary
Hoiden n. (W.hoeden, a flirt, awanton, a coquet) A rude, bold girl; aromp

       a.  Rude; bold; inelegant; rustic

       v. i.  To romp rudely or indecently

Websters 1983 edition hoyden
       a bold and boisterous girl, a tomboy, also spelled hoiden

hope this helps but don't keep the book and page number a secret
Mark "Roadkill" Loader --part1_7f.3158bd8a.2b5dd9ff_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Beaver Trapping Date: 22 Jan 2003 14:37:50 EST Hello the Camp I am going beaver trapping next month and would like to hear from those that have done it winter mountain man style. What clothing they wear to wade in the cold water and any advice they have. Also how do you think the float stick was used. Do you suppose it was used in conjunction with a weighted drag on the chain and a long line attached to the drag and to the float stick. this would allow the trapper to find the drag and retrieve it from deep water with beaver and trap in tow without getting so wet. your thoughts Mark Roadkill Loader ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Powell" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver Trapping Date: 22 Jan 2003 20:09:41 +0000 Mark, First of all, Congratulations on your recent appointment. You are a Good man. Perhaps we'll see you at Bridger again this year. The Poison River Party will be doing the Demos this year and hope to get inside the Fort fulltime. Cody Merchant is the Party Member Booshway for the Demo Camp. Regarding Beaver trapping in the winter months, the last thing I care to do is have to enter the water any more than I need to. So I would suggest you tie your traps off to a tree or something with enough rope the beaver can get to deep water. When the beaver takes off you don't have to worry about a float stick, you can just pull it in. I also wear my moccs into the water to prevent getting a stick in my foot and have a dry pair to change into. Wrapping your legs with wool wrapper blanket and ties also helps to warm the water next to your leg as you stand in the pond setting the trap. Back at camp I leave a fire burning a bit so I don't have to worry about trying to make fire being cold if I should happen to fall in and get wetter than I planned. Regards, Mike Powell AMM #1769 POISON RIVER PARTY "Ride, Ride, Ride" "Aux Aliments du Pays"! >From: MarkLoader@aol.com >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: MtMan-List: Beaver Trapping >Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:37:50 EST > >Hello the Camp >I am going beaver trapping next month and would like to hear from those >that >have done it winter mountain man style. What clothing they wear to wade in >the cold water and any advice they have. > >Also how do you think the float stick was used. Do you suppose it was used >in >conjunction with a weighted drag on the chain and a long line attached to >the >drag and to the float stick. this would allow the trapper to find the drag >and retrieve it from deep water with beaver and trap in tow without getting >so wet. > >your thoughts >Mark Roadkill Loader > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver Trapping Date: 22 Jan 2003 14:08:52 -0700 (MST) Mark, If you have never trapped a beaver before I would recommend you have an experienced trapper go with you. We don't know the level of your trapping skill. I personally don't think the old trapping methods should be used much anymore as too many beaver AND traps are lost with wooden stakes, ropes,etc.There are many accounts in journals of trappers losing traps with beaver in them. I know of two friends here who lost traps in the last year with beaver in them using old time methods. Modern stakes and wire would have prevented that. We owe it to the animal we trap to kill them as quickly and humanely as possible. This is one time were I think some modern methods should be employed. I recommend a classic drowning slider set with a number 4 long spring. All that is needed is a #4 LS with a one-way wire slider, some 12 ga black wire and a burlap sack for a drowning weight. Never underestimate the strength of a trapped beaver or any animal for that matter. Though not completely historical by using wire, it is the right thing to do to avoid trap loss with an animal. A beaver that is not taken down in deep water and drowned could possibly wring out. If your trapping a small pond then you could attach the trap to a large rock for the beaver to drag into deep water and drown. But if he desides to sit on shore he has all night to possibly get tangled up and twist out. Beaver cannot tolerate hot sun so check you traps before it gets too hot in the morning in case he's on shore. Good Luck bb > Hello the Camp > I am going beaver trapping next month and would like to hear from those > that have done it winter mountain man style. What clothing they wear > to wade in the cold water and any advice they have. > > Also how do you think the float stick was used. Do you suppose it was > used in conjunction with a weighted drag on the chain and a long line > attached to the drag and to the float stick. this would allow the > trapper to find the drag and retrieve it from deep water with beaver > and trap in tow without getting so wet. > > your thoughts > Mark Roadkill Loader > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: word definition Date: 22 Jan 2003 15:54:20 -0600 Thanks everyone for the input on the word "hoyden". Could have several applications but for story purposes, I'll read it as 'promiscous' indian girls. I was asked about the book, it is a fiction work by Richard S. Wheeler titled "Going Home". It is a somewhat different twist than many fur trade era books involving the adventures of a trapper and his indian wife. It seems to be pretty accurate, historically speaking, but not with the depth and color of a Terry Johnson book. Nevertheless entertaining reading. At one point the author takes a bit of creative license with a sort of 'looking back into the future' statement that I found interesting: "The mountain men were a vicious breed, and he hoped no one back in the States would ever romanticize them or their squalid, desperate lives." Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, AR http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/ http://www.geocities.com/rifleman1776/photopageflag.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "busterize" Subject: MtMan-List: hoyden Date: 22 Jan 2003 16:16:06 -0700 The word hoyden has been used for centuries, even up to recently. I heard it when I was a girl in the 40s & 50s. Geri ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amm1616@earthlink.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver Trapping Date: 22 Jan 2003 16:15:48 -0700 (MST) Mark, It would be best to have two sets of good winter clothing to use. Alot of people always mention a change of clothing for the waist down, but forget that you will be using your arms and if you have a long capote or jacket on, the sleeves and lower part can get wet too. Chances are you will be setting, running traps and then seddattling back to camp. Check the weather, will it be snowing? What kind of snow? Cold or just cool? All of this will effect the kind of clothes you choose. Runs are a good set to start with, you can set them in fairly shallow water and still get good results. I agree with beaverboy on the use of wire. Another thing to remember that if the place you will be setting is new to you, mark a tree or put a marker up from it on the bank to help you find the set if it snows alot or ice freezes over the set. Main thing to remember is that you will learn and have fun no matter what happens. Keep your self safe and take pictures! Come prepared to finish the job when done. Have everything you need to skin, flesh and hoop the hides. If you want to get a full picture of what it was like, do the needed camp chores in camp. A long stick with a fork on the end or short piece sticking up will save you from having to get a trap out of the water (or finding it, if it has been moved) and also help with maintaining your balance when in the water. mike. -------Original Message------- Sent: 01/22/03 12:37 PM > > Hello the Camp I am going beaver trapping next month and would like to hear from those that have done it winter mountain man style. What clothing they wear to wade in the cold water and any advice they have. Also how do you think the float stick was used. Do you suppose it was used in conjunction with a weighted drag on the chain and a long line attached to the drag and to the float stick. this would allow the trapper to find the drag and retrieve it from deep water with beaver and trap in tow without getting so wet. your thoughts Mark Roadkill Loader ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TrapRJoe@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wooden Sturups Date: 22 Jan 2003 19:16:40 EST --part1_1b8.cd672cd.2b608e68_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was at a saddle shop today and saw some old wooden stirrups hanging on the wall. He said he would sell them. Although not of this period he also had two saddles dating back to 1880 or so. and two old bits from as far back as 1850. If interested contact me off list and I will give you his e-mail and other infro. I have. TrapRJoe --part1_1b8.cd672cd.2b608e68_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was at a saddle shop today and saw some old wooden stirrups hanging on the wall. He said he would sell them.  Although not of this period he also had two saddles dating back to 1880 or so. and two old bits from as far back as 1850.  If interested contact me off list and I will give you his e-mail and other infro. I have.

                           TrapRJoe --part1_1b8.cd672cd.2b608e68_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs Date: 17 Jan 2003 16:55:59 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C2BE49.4FD45240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark or Bill G=20 Great quote! Could I get a source or where to find it and more? Wynn Ormond Hello to Camp, Sept. 1850, Jim Bridger guided Captain Howard Stansbury across the = Laramie Plain on the northern tip of the Medicine Bows. . . . . ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C2BE49.4FD45240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark or Bill G
Great quote!  Could I get a source = or where to=20 find it and more?
Wynn Ormond

Hello to=20 Camp,
Sept. 1850, Jim Bridger guided Captain Howard Stansbury = across the=20 Laramie Plain on the northern tip of the Medicine Bows.  . . .=20 . ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C2BE49.4FD45240-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Brandl Subject: MtMan-List: buffalo robes Date: 23 Jan 2003 19:56:33 -0700 here is a photo of a few buffalo spread outside to freeze until we got them fleshed, we have over 130 buffalo hides to tan this year, I am really sick of fleshing and salting at this time. joe -- Please visit our web site @ phone-307-455-2440 fax-307-455-3355 New supply of full and half buffalo hides Lifetime cleaning and reconditioning Elk, deer, cow, buffalo rawhide available ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver Trapping Date: 24 Jan 2003 21:05:14 -0700 (MST) Mark, The Book of Buckskinning VIII has a good long article on primitive beaver trapping in it. You might consult it. Page 77 has my good friend Rod Douglas pounding out a trap on his anvil. Rod makes the best hand forged trap I have ever seen yet and I have seen a few of them. Many blacksmith make traps but few make the trap springs as well. Rod is one of them. I am the proud owner of the 1810-1820 knuckled spring trap by Rod on page 76. I know Rod loves that trap because he wanted to buy it back from me! Wool is definitely the way to go while beaver trapping. I think the list has discussed the use of leather britches to the knees and then wool from the knees down. There is also a recipe for beaver "Bate" in the article. If you need a castor contact me off list. bb > Hello the Camp > I am going beaver trapping next month and would like to hear from those > that have done it winter mountain man style. What clothing they wear > to wade in the cold water and any advice they have. > > Also how do you think the float stick was used. Do you suppose it was > used in conjunction with a weighted drag on the chain and a long line > attached to the drag and to the float stick. this would allow the > trapper to find the drag and retrieve it from deep water with beaver > and trap in tow without getting so wet. > > your thoughts > Mark Roadkill Loader > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs Date: 25 Jan 2003 00:19:10 EST --part1_122.1dde34df.2b63784e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got that out of "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 pages 247-248. Bill Gantic --part1_122.1dde34df.2b63784e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got that out of  "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 pages 247-248.
Bill Gantic --part1_122.1dde34df.2b63784e_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Ballstaedt" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs Date: 25 Jan 2003 09:16:30 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2C452.72517AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable does anybody have dean rudy's e-mail adress sorry for the off the = topic intrusion........ tom #1834 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: MarkLoader@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs I got that out of "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on = pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the = Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 = pages 247-248. Bill Gantic=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2C452.72517AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
does anybody have dean rudy's  = e-mail=20 adress    sorry for the off the topic = intrusion........ tom=20 #1834   ----- Original Message -----
From:=20 MarkLoader@aol.com
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump = Ribs

I got that out of  "A Life Wild = and Perilous"=20 By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration = of the=20 Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First = published in=20 1852 pages 247-248.
Bill Gantic=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2C452.72517AA0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs Date: 25 Jan 2003 11:10:08 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2C462.52745530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom Try this address for Dean. Lanney Ratcliff Dean Rudy E-mail Address(es): drudy@xmission.com ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:16 AM does anybody have dean rudy's e-mail adress sorry for the off the = topic intrusion........ tom #1834 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: MarkLoader@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs I got that out of "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on = pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the = Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 = pages 247-248. Bill Gantic ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2C462.52745530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom
Try this address for = Dean.
Lanney = Ratcliff
 
Dean Rudy
E-mail=20 Address(es):
  drudy@xmission.com
 
 
----- Original Message -----=20
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does anybody have dean rudy's  = e-mail=20 adress    sorry for the off the topic = intrusion........ tom=20 #1834   ----- Original Message -----
From:=20 MarkLoader@aol.com
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I got that out of  "A Life Wild = and Perilous"=20 By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration = of the=20 Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First = published in=20 1852 pages 247-248.
Bill Gantic=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2C462.52745530-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tetontodd@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs Date: 25 Jan 2003 14:13:27 -0800 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_2aa7.22d3.4ca0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom ole Buddy. It's drudy@xmission.com That is of course on our party website! Missed you last weekend, the camp was fantastic! Todd On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:16:30 -0700 "Tom Ballstaedt" writes: does anybody have dean rudy's e-mail adress sorry for the off the topic intrusion........ tom #1834 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:19 PM I got that out of "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 pages 247-248. Bill Gantic ----__JNP_000_2aa7.22d3.4ca0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom ole Buddy.
 
It's drudy@xmission.com   = That=20 is of course on our party website! Missed you last weekend, the camp was=20 fantastic!
 
Todd
 
On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:16:30 -0700 "Tom Ballstaedt" <thsb@earthlink.net> writes:
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I got that out of  "A = Life Wild and=20 Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His source is from=20 "Exploration of the Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard=20 Stansbury. First published in 1852 pages 247-248.
Bill=20 Gantic
 
----__JNP_000_2aa7.22d3.4ca0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs Date: 26 Jan 2003 09:13:50 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2C51B.3D33F7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Mr Gantic for the source info. I find I to often collect = quotes without getting a good reference to them and then if I want to = use them I can not track them down. Stansbury has some good info for = sure. I like this quote myself. Stole it from The Mule Alternative by = Mike Staamm: We have been in company with multitudes of emigrants the whole day. The = road has been lined to a long extent with their wagons, whose white = covers, glittering in the sunlight, resembled, at a distance, ships upon = the ocean. We passed a company from Boston, consisting of seventy = persons, one hundred and forty pack and riding mules, a number of riding = horses, and a drove of cattle for beef. The expedition, as might be = expected, and as is to generally the case, was badly conducted: the = mules were overloaded, and the manner of securing and arranging the = packs elicited many a sarcastic criticism from our party, most of whom = were old mountain-men, with whom the making of a pack and the loading of = a mule amounted to a science. Southcentral Nebraska. June 12, 1849 Captain Howard Stansbury=20 Army topographical engineer Wynn Ormond =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: MarkLoader@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs I got that out of "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on = pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the = Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 = pages 247-248. Bill Gantic=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2C51B.3D33F7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you Mr Gantic for the source = info.  I=20 find I to often collect quotes without getting a good reference to them = and then=20 if I want to use them I can not track them down.  Stansbury has = some=20 good info for sure.  I like this quote myself.  Stole it = from The=20 Mule Alternative by Mike Staamm:
 

We have been in company with multitudes of emigrants the whole day. = The road=20 has been lined to a long extent with their wagons, whose white covers,=20 glittering in the sunlight, resembled, at a distance, ships upon the = ocean. We=20 passed a company from Boston, consisting of seventy persons, one hundred = and=20 forty pack and riding mules, a number of riding horses, and a drove of = cattle=20 for beef. The expedition, as might be expected, and as is to generally = the case,=20 was badly conducted: the mules were overloaded, and the manner of = securing and=20 arranging the packs elicited many a sarcastic criticism from our party, = most of=20 whom were old mountain-men, with whom the making of a pack and the = loading of a=20 mule amounted to a science.

Southcentral Nebraska. June 12, 1849

Captain Howard Stansbury

Army topographical engineer

 

 

Wynn Ormond

 

 
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From:=20 MarkLoader@aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 = 10:19=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump = Ribs

I got that = out of  "A=20 Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His = source is=20 from "Exploration of the Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By = Howard=20 Stansbury. First published in 1852 pages 247-248.
Bill=20 Gantic ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2C51B.3D33F7C0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newbill" Subject: MtMan-List: Upcoming Events (that I know of) in the Pacific NW Date: 26 Jan 2003 11:23:14 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2C52D.51339390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks... just a note on things coming up in the Pacific Northwest = thru March, that I am aware of. Regards Lee Newbill of North Idaho www.hogheavenmuzzleloaders.com http://users.potlatch.com/bluethistle www.mountaintoptradingco.com Jan 31 Tacoma Mountain Man=92s Winter Rendezvous & Civil War Winter Quarters Linda Hansen (253) 839-2543 Eric Hansen (253) 922 8440 Jan 31- Feb 2 Cabin Fever Rondy, Forest Hills BP Brigade, Yamhill OR Jack Meade (503) 324-6700 ------- February Feb 1-2, 2003 Tioga Mountian Men Winter Rendezvous Coos Bay Oregon (10 miles east of Coos Bay at Rook Higgins Park) POC: Ken Sjogren: 541-396-5565 =20 Feb 14-16, 2003 Rain-De-Vous '03 Olympia, Washington (south of) (Littlerock,Wa) POC: Booshway- Robinson Hartsell (360) 459-2387 or Segundo- Kevin Stuber = (360) 483-1349 Tom Brown (360) 352-5984 Feb 15-16 2003 Muzzleloader & Early American Craft Show Coeur D'Alene, Idaho, At the Fairgrounds Tony (509) 397-4447 Feb 15, 16 Frontier Heritage Fair, Lane County Fairgrounds Eugene Oregon Fort Umpqua Muzzleloaders, P. O. Box 566, Springfield Or. 97477 Feb. 19-23 =20 Horse Ridge Rendezvous, Grizzly Mt. Long Rifles, Bend OR =20 Carol Harden (541) 546-2205 Ken Miltonberger (541) 389-7007 ------- March Mar 8 & 9 22d Annual Cascade Mountain Men Muzzleloading & Pioneer Craft Show King County Fairgrounds, Enumclaw, WA Walt Christensen (206) 878-4907 Mar 9, 2003 (2nd weekend in March) Muzzleloading Clubs of the Snake & Clearwater Confluence Memorial Shoot Near Clarkston, Washington POC: Russell Page at (208) 435-4416, email russ_89049@yahoo.com;=20 Don Robinson, email dtrobinson@hotmail.com Mar 13-16 Evergreen Spring Thaw Rendezvous Evergreen Sportsmen=92s Club, Littlerock, WA Pete Strobl (360) 352-1800 Mar 14-16, 2003 7th Annual Pioneer Living Craft Show=20 Kitsap County Fairgrounds, Bremerton, WA POC: Too Frank email at toofrank@attbi.com, or phone at (253) 472-6110 Mar 29 & 30 Yakima Valley Muzzleloaders Musket Match Yakima, WA=20 Terry Savage (509) 965- 0079 Wayne Worgum (509) 966-6673 = =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2C52D.51339390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Folks... just a note on things coming up in = the Pacific=20 Northwest thru March, that I am aware of.
 
Regards
 
Lee Newbill of North Idaho
www.hogheavenmuzzleloaders= .com
http://users.potlatch.com/= bluethistle
www.mountaintoptradingco.com=

Jan 31
Tacoma Mountain Man=92s Winter = Rendezvous=20 & Civil War Winter Quarters
Linda Hansen (253) = 839-2543
Eric Hansen (253) 922 = 8440

Jan = 31- Feb=20 2
Cabin Fever Rondy, Forest Hills BP
Brigade, Yamhill = OR
Jack=20 Meade (503) 324-6700

February

Feb 1-2,=20 2003
Tioga=20 Mountian Men Winter Rendezvous
Coos Bay Oregon (10 miles east of Coos = Bay at Rook=20 Higgins Park)
POC: Ken Sjogren:=20 541-396-5565 

Feb 14-16, = 2003
Rain-De-Vous '03
Olympia,=20 Washington (south of) (Littlerock,Wa)
POC: Booshway- Robinson = Hartsell (360)=20 459-2387 or Segundo- Kevin Stuber (360) = 483-1349
Tom Brown (360)=20 352-5984

Feb 15-16 = 2003
Muzzleloader &=20 Early American Craft Show
Coeur D'Alene,=20 Idaho, At the Fairgrounds
Tony (509) 397-4447

Feb = 15,=20 16
Frontier Heritage Fair, Lane County Fairgrounds
Eugene = Oregon
Fort = Umpqua=20 Muzzleloaders, P. O. Box 566, Springfield Or.=20 97477

Feb. = 19-23 =20
Horse Ridge Rendezvous, Grizzly Mt.
Long Rifles, Bend OR =     
Carol Harden (541)=20 546-2205
Ken = Miltonberger=20 (541) 389-7007

March


Mar 8 = &=20 9
22d Annual Cascade Mountain Men Muzzleloading & = Pioneer Craft=20 Show
King County Fairgrounds, Enumclaw, WA
Walt = Christensen=20 (206) 878-4907

Mar 9, 2003 = (2nd  weekend in=20 March)
Muzzleloading Clubs of the Snake & Clearwater = Confluence=20 Memorial Shoot
Near = Clarkston,=20 Washington
POC: Russell Page at (208) 435-4416, email russ_89049@yahoo.com;=20
Don Robinson, email = dtrobinson@hotmail.com

Mar=20 13-16
Evergreen Spring Thaw Rendezvous
Evergreen = Sportsmen=92s=20 Club, Littlerock, WA
Pete Strobl (360)=20 352-1800

Mar = 14-16,=20 2003
7th Annual Pioneer Living Craft Show
Kitsap County=20 Fairgrounds, Bremerton,  WA
POC: Too=20 Frank email at toofrank@attbi.com, or = phone at (253)=20 472-6110

Mar = 29 &=20 30
Yakima Valley Muzzleloaders Musket Match
Yakima, WA =
Terry=20 Savage (509) 965- 0079
Wayne Worgum (509)=20 966-6673             &nbs= p;  =20            &nbs= p;            = ;            =   =20            &n= bsp;  =20

------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2C52D.51339390-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Mayer? Date: 26 Jan 2003 13:52:38 -0700 I have three drawings by Frank Blackwell Mayer drawn in 1851 of a Canadian. Can anyone tell who Mayer is and where he traveled from or too? The caption says . . ."dressed as they appeared at rendezvous" He could not have attended a rendezvous in 1851 so maybe they exagerated. Nice details that are not exactly in agreement with Miller. WY ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John L. Allen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mayer? Date: 26 Jan 2003 14:31:03 -0700 Dear Wynn and list, Frank Blackwell Mayer was a Baltimore artist, b. 1822 d. 1899 who studied with Alfred Jacob Miller in the 1840s--this explains where some of the detail in his western sketches comes from. His best known work With pen and pencil on the frontier in 1851; the diary and sketches of Frank Blackwell Mayer, by Francis Blackwell Mayer (Saint Paul, 1932) dealt with the treaty conferences in the upper Midwest in 1851 (Indian cessions of parts of southern Minnesota and adjacent areas of Iowa and the Dakotas) and most of his Indian sketches are of Sioux. There is a good collection of Mayer's work at the Newberry Library in Chicago but I don't know of any other significant holdings in art museums in the US or Canada. His publication is quite rare--if you can find a copy of it for under $200 you've probably got a very good deal. John Dr. John L. Allen 2703 Leslie Court Laramie, WY 82072-2979 Phone: (307) 742-0883 e-mail: jlallen@wyoming.com ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:52 PM > I have three drawings by Frank Blackwell Mayer drawn in 1851 of a Canadian. > Can anyone tell who Mayer is and where he traveled from or too? > > The caption says . . ."dressed as they appeared at rendezvous" He could not > have attended a rendezvous in 1851 so maybe they exagerated. Nice details > that are not exactly in agreement with Miller. > > WY > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: MtMan-List: Super Bowl Beaver Date: 27 Jan 2003 23:18:34 -0700 (MST) Dear List, A few of us up here went on a small beaver trapping trip on the Upper Missouri River this weekend. It was -6 below at my house when I got up Saturday but was a balmy 40 above or so after crossing over the mountains and sometimes drizzling rain! The chinook winds were blowing and it ended up getting up to 56 degrees by my house after the low of -6 below that morning! The temperature climbed 19 degrees in one hour with the chinook winds. Chinook is indian (Blackfoot?) for Snow Eater, isn't it? Anyway, our camp was small with two fly's and one small wedge. Two trappers and 4 campkeepers. Vince put out the traps as I stood guard. We found fresh otter and beaver sign in the snow and Vince even discovered a very fresh otter toilet, only a day old. As Vince was setting his traps a small beaver swam to within 6 feet of him! Vince used his own bait and we got out 4 trap sets (I ended up setting 2 and Vince set 2) and returned to camp. We spent the night talking and getting to know each other as this was the first time a few of us had met. We ate some of Mike's deer, some of Gene's buffalo and drank my Madeira and Allen's rum. A good time was had by all. I had too much of a good time! The next morning I was the last to get up and when I did I found all the other camps down and rolled up already! It was the first good nights rest I had in a week due to my job. Vince was rearing to go check his traps but I wasn't in a big hurry as I knew the otter would be out at this time. I was also a bit sea sick already and didn't feel like rocking in a canoe so soon. Steve and Vince took the canoe to check and pull the traps. I watched from the shore as Vince pulled in a very nice dark and very prime beaver that weighed about 35-40 pounds I'll guess. All of camp was happy as it was a successful hunt. We all then loaded up and headed to our homes to watch the Super Bowl. Good luck to all of you on the trail, BB ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Curtis Taylor" Subject: MtMan-List: Remove Date: 27 Jan 2003 22:42:11 -0800 Please remove littlejoe@wave.net from the list, thank you. =================================================== Unseen they suffer, unheard they cry. In agony they linger, in loneliness they die. Animals are not ours to eat, wear, experiment on, or use for entertainment ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:19 PM > > hist_text-digest Monday, January 27 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1138 > > > > In this issue: > > - Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs > - Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs > - Fw: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs > - Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs > - Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs > - MtMan-List: Upcoming Events (that I know of) in the Pacific NW > - MtMan-List: Mayer? > - Re: MtMan-List: Mayer? > - MtMan-List: Super Bowl Beaver > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:19:10 EST > From: MarkLoader@aol.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs > > - --part1_122.1dde34df.2b63784e_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I got that out of "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on pages > 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the Great Salt Lake > of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 pages 247-248. > Bill Gantic > > - --part1_122.1dde34df.2b63784e_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I got that out of  "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 pages 247-248.
> Bill Gantic > > - --part1_122.1dde34df.2b63784e_boundary-- > > - ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:16:30 -0700 > From: "Tom Ballstaedt" > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2C452.72517AA0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > does anybody have dean rudy's e-mail adress sorry for the off the = > topic intrusion........ tom #1834 ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: MarkLoader@aol.com=20 > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs > > > I got that out of "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on = > pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the = > Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 = > pages 247-248. > Bill Gantic=20 > > - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2C452.72517AA0 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
does anybody have dean rudy's  = > e-mail=20 > adress    sorry for the off the topic = > intrusion........ tom=20 > #1834   ----- Original Message -----
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face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 > size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF">I got that out of  "A Life Wild = > and Perilous"=20 > By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration = > of the=20 > Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First = > published in=20 > 1852 pages 247-248.
Bill Gantic=20 > > > - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2C452.72517AA0-- > > > - ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:10:08 -0600 > From: "Lanney Ratcliff" > Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2C462.52745530 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Tom > Try this address for Dean. > Lanney Ratcliff > > Dean Rudy > E-mail Address(es): > drudy@xmission.com > > > - ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Tom Ballstaedt=20 > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:16 AM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs > > > does anybody have dean rudy's e-mail adress sorry for the off the = > topic intrusion........ tom #1834 ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: MarkLoader@aol.com=20 > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs > > > I got that out of "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on = > pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the = > Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 = > pages 247-248. > Bill Gantic > - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2C462.52745530 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
Tom
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Try this address for = > Dean.
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Lanney = > Ratcliff
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Dean Rudy
E-mail=20 > Address(es):
  href=3D"mailto:drudy@xmission.com">drudy@xmission.com
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----- Original Message -----=20 >
From: title=3Dthsb@earthlink.net href=3D"mailto:thsb@earthlink.net">Tom = > Ballstaedt=20 >
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Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:16 AM
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs
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does anybody have dean rudy's  = > e-mail=20 > adress    sorry for the off the topic = > intrusion........ tom=20 > #1834   ----- Original Message -----
> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = > BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> > style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = > black">From:=20 > href=3D"mailto:MarkLoader@aol.com">MarkLoader@aol.com > >
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 = > 10:19=20 > PM
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump = > Ribs
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face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 > size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF">I got that out of  "A Life Wild = > and Perilous"=20 > By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration = > of the=20 > Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First = > published in=20 > 1852 pages 247-248.
Bill Gantic=20 > > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2C462.52745530-- > > > > - ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:13:27 -0800 > From: tetontodd@juno.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs > > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand > this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > > - ----__JNP_000_2aa7.22d3.4ca0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Tom ole Buddy. > > It's drudy@xmission.com That is of course on our party website! Missed > you last weekend, the camp was fantastic! > > Todd > > On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:16:30 -0700 "Tom Ballstaedt" > writes: > does anybody have dean rudy's e-mail adress sorry for the off the > topic intrusion........ tom #1834 ----- Original Message ----- > From: MarkLoader@aol.com > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs > > > I got that out of "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on pages > 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the Great Salt > Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 pages 247-248. > Bill Gantic > - ----__JNP_000_2aa7.22d3.4ca0 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > > > >
Tom ole Buddy.
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It's href=3D"mailto:drudy@xmission.com">drudy@xmission.com   = > That=20 > is of course on our party website! Missed you last weekend, the camp was=20 > fantastic!
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Todd
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On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:16:30 -0700 "Tom Ballstaedt" < href=3D"mailto:thsb@earthlink.net">thsb@earthlink.net> writes:
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does anybody have dean rudy's  e-= > mail=20 > adress    sorry for the off the topic intrusion......= > ..=20 > tom #1834   ----- Original Message -----
> style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = > 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> > style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">= > From:=20 > title=3DMarkLoader@aol.com>MarkLoader@aol.com >
To: href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com"=20 > title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com>hist_text@lists.xmission.com <= > /DIV> >
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 = > 10:19=20 > PM
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump=20 > Ribs
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Roman"=20 > lang=3D0 size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF">I got that out of  "A = > Life Wild and=20 > Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His source is from=20 > "Exploration of the Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard=20 > Stansbury. First published in 1852 pages 247-248.
Bill=20 > Gantic >
 
> > - ----__JNP_000_2aa7.22d3.4ca0-- > > > - ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:13:50 -0700 > From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2C51B.3D33F7C0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Thank you Mr Gantic for the source info. I find I to often collect = > quotes without getting a good reference to them and then if I want to = > use them I can not track them down. Stansbury has some good info for = > sure. I like this quote myself. Stole it from The Mule Alternative by = > Mike Staamm: > > We have been in company with multitudes of emigrants the whole day. The = > road has been lined to a long extent with their wagons, whose white = > covers, glittering in the sunlight, resembled, at a distance, ships upon = > the ocean. We passed a company from Boston, consisting of seventy = > persons, one hundred and forty pack and riding mules, a number of riding = > horses, and a drove of cattle for beef. The expedition, as might be = > expected, and as is to generally the case, was badly conducted: the = > mules were overloaded, and the manner of securing and arranging the = > packs elicited many a sarcastic criticism from our party, most of whom = > were old mountain-men, with whom the making of a pack and the loading of = > a mule amounted to a science. > > Southcentral Nebraska. June 12, 1849 > > Captain Howard Stansbury=20 > > Army topographical engineer > > > > > > Wynn Ormond > > =20 > > =20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: MarkLoader@aol.com=20 > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs > > > I got that out of "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on = > pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the = > Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 = > pages 247-248. > Bill Gantic=20 > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2C51B.3D33F7C0 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
Thank you Mr Gantic for the source = > info.  I=20 > find I to often collect quotes without getting a good reference to them = > and then=20 > if I want to use them I can not track them down.  Stansbury has = > some=20 > good info for sure.  I like this quote myself.  Stole it = > from The=20 > Mule Alternative by Mike Staamm:
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We have been in company with multitudes of emigrants the whole day. = > The road=20 > has been lined to a long extent with their wagons, whose white covers,=20 > glittering in the sunlight, resembled, at a distance, ships upon the = > ocean. We=20 > passed a company from Boston, consisting of seventy persons, one hundred = > and=20 > forty pack and riding mules, a number of riding horses, and a drove of = > cattle=20 > for beef. The expedition, as might be expected, and as is to generally = > the case,=20 > was badly conducted: the mules were overloaded, and the manner of = > securing and=20 > arranging the packs elicited many a sarcastic criticism from our party, = > most of=20 > whom were old mountain-men, with whom the making of a pack and the = > loading of a=20 > mule amounted to a science.

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Southcentral Nebraska. June 12, 1849

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Captain Howard Stansbury

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Army topographical engineer

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Wynn Ormond

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----- Original Message -----
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> >
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 = > 10:19=20 > PM
>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump = > Ribs
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face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF">I got that = > out of  "A=20 > Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His = > source is=20 > from "Exploration of the Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By = > Howard=20 > Stansbury. First published in 1852 pages 247-248.
Bill=20 > Gantic > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2C51B.3D33F7C0-- > > > - ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:23:14 -0800 > From: "Lee Newbill" > Subject: MtMan-List: Upcoming Events (that I know of) in the Pacific NW > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2C52D.51339390 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="Windows-1252" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi Folks... just a note on things coming up in the Pacific Northwest = > thru March, that I am aware of. > > Regards > > Lee Newbill of North Idaho > www.hogheavenmuzzleloaders.com > http://users.potlatch.com/bluethistle > www.mountaintoptradingco.com > > Jan 31 > Tacoma Mountain Man=92s Winter Rendezvous & Civil War Winter Quarters > Linda Hansen (253) 839-2543 > Eric Hansen (253) 922 8440 > Jan 31- Feb 2 > Cabin Fever Rondy, Forest Hills BP > Brigade, Yamhill OR > Jack Meade (503) 324-6700 > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -= > - ------- > > February > Feb 1-2, 2003 > Tioga Mountian Men Winter Rendezvous > Coos Bay Oregon (10 miles east of Coos Bay at Rook Higgins Park) > POC: Ken Sjogren: 541-396-5565 =20 > > Feb 14-16, 2003 > Rain-De-Vous '03 > Olympia, Washington (south of) (Littlerock,Wa) > POC: Booshway- Robinson Hartsell (360) 459-2387 or Segundo- Kevin Stuber = > (360) 483-1349 > Tom Brown (360) 352-5984 > > Feb 15-16 2003 > Muzzleloader & Early American Craft Show > Coeur D'Alene, Idaho, At the Fairgrounds > Tony (509) 397-4447 > > Feb 15, 16 > Frontier Heritage Fair, Lane County Fairgrounds > Eugene Oregon > Fort Umpqua Muzzleloaders, P. O. Box 566, Springfield Or. 97477 > > Feb. 19-23 =20 > Horse Ridge Rendezvous, Grizzly Mt. > Long Rifles, Bend OR =20 > Carol Harden (541) 546-2205 > Ken Miltonberger (541) 389-7007 > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -= > - ------- > > March > > Mar 8 & 9 > 22d Annual Cascade Mountain Men Muzzleloading & Pioneer Craft Show > King County Fairgrounds, Enumclaw, WA > Walt Christensen (206) 878-4907 > > Mar 9, 2003 (2nd weekend in March) > Muzzleloading Clubs of the Snake & Clearwater Confluence Memorial Shoot > Near Clarkston, Washington > POC: Russell Page at (208) 435-4416, email russ_89049@yahoo.com;=20 > Don Robinson, email dtrobinson@hotmail.com > > Mar 13-16 > Evergreen Spring Thaw Rendezvous > Evergreen Sportsmen=92s Club, Littlerock, WA > Pete Strobl (360) 352-1800 > > Mar 14-16, 2003 > 7th Annual Pioneer Living Craft Show=20 > Kitsap County Fairgrounds, Bremerton, WA > POC: Too Frank email at toofrank@attbi.com, or phone at (253) 472-6110 > > Mar 29 & 30 > Yakima Valley Muzzleloaders Musket Match > Yakima, WA=20 > Terry Savage (509) 965- 0079 > Wayne Worgum (509) 966-6673 = > =20 > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2C52D.51339390 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="Windows-1252" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > charset=3Dwindows-1252"> > > > > >
Hi Folks... just a note on things coming up in = > the Pacific=20 > Northwest thru March, that I am aware of.
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Regards
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href=3D"http://www.hogheavenmuzzleloaders.com">www.hogheavenmuzzleloaders= > .com
href=3D"http://users.potlatch.com/bluethistle">http://users.potlatch.com/= > bluethistle
>
href=3D"http://www.mountaintoptradingco.com">www.mountaintoptradingco.com= >
>

face=3DArial>Jan 31
Tacoma Mountain Man=92s Winter = > Rendezvous=20 > & Civil War Winter Quarters
Linda Hansen (253) = > 839-2543 prefix =3D o />
Eric Hansen (253) 922 = > 8440
>
>

Jan = > 31- Feb=20 > 2
Cabin Fever Rondy, Forest Hills BP
Brigade, Yamhill = > OR
Jack=20 > Meade (503) 324-6700

face=3DArial> >
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size=3D3>February

>

Feb 1-2,=20 > 2003
 href=3D"rendz_flyers_2003/tioga_mt_mn.gif"> size=3D3>Tioga=20 > Mountian Men Winter Rendezvous
face=3DArial>Coos Bay Oregon (10 miles east of Coos = > Bay at Rook=20 > Higgins Park)
POC: Ken Sjogren:=20 > 541-396-5565 

>

Feb 14-16, = > 2003
 href=3D"rendz_flyers_2003/rain_de_voo_2003.gif"> size=3D3>Rain-De-Vous '03
size=3D3>Olympia,=20 > Washington (south of) (Littlerock,Wa)
POC: Booshway- Robinson = > Hartsell (360)=20 > 459-2387 or Segundo- Kevin Stuber (360) = > 483-1349
size=3D3>Tom Brown (360)=20 > 352-5984

>

Feb 15-16 = > 2003
 href=3D"rendz_flyers_2003/cda_2003.gif"> size=3D3>Muzzleloader &=20 > Early American Craft Show
size=3D3>Coeur D'Alene,=20 > Idaho, At the Fairgrounds
face=3DArial>Tony (509) 397-4447

>

Feb = > 15,=20 > 16
Frontier Heritage Fair, Lane County Fairgrounds
Eugene = > > Oregon
Fort = > Umpqua=20 > Muzzleloaders, P. O. Box 566, Springfield Or.=20 > 97477

>

Feb. = > 19-23 =20 >
Horse Ridge Rendezvous, Grizzly Mt.
Long Rifles, Bend OR = > >     
Carol Harden (541)=20 > 546-2205
Ken = > Miltonberger=20 > (541) 389-7007

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> >

size=3D3>March

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Mar 8 = > &=20 > 9
22d Annual Cascade Mountain Men Muzzleloading & = > Pioneer Craft=20 > Show
King County Fairgrounds, Enumclaw, WA
Walt = > Christensen=20 > (206) 878-4907

>

Mar 9, 2003 = > (2nd style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">  weekend in=20 > March)
 href=3D"rendz_flyers_2003/memorial.htm"> face=3DArial size=3D3>Muzzleloading Clubs of the Snake & Clearwater = > Confluence=20 > Memorial Shoot
Near = > Clarkston,=20 > Washington
POC: Russell Page at (208) 435-4416, email href=3D"mailto:russ_89049@yahoo.com"> size=3D3>russ_89049@yahoo.com;=20 >
Don Robinson, email = > href=3D"mailto:dtrobinson@hotmail.com"> size=3D3>dtrobinson@hotmail.com

>

Mar=20 > 13-16
Evergreen Spring Thaw Rendezvous
Evergreen = > Sportsmen=92s=20 > Club, Littlerock, WA
Pete Strobl (360)=20 > 352-1800

>

Mar = > 14-16,=20 > 2003
7th Annual Pioneer Living Craft Show
Kitsap County=20 > Fairgrounds, Bremerton,  WA
POC: href=3D"mailto:toofrank@attbi.com">Too=20 > Frank email at href=3D"mailto:toofrank@attbi.com"> size=3D3>toofrank@attbi.com, or = > phone at (253)=20 > 472-6110

>

Mar = > 29 &=20 > 30
Yakima Valley Muzzleloaders Musket Match
Yakima, WA = >
Terry=20 > Savage (509) 965- 0079
Wayne Worgum (509)=20 > 966-6673   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Bookman Old Style'; = > mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"> style=3D"mso-tab-count: = > 2">           &nbs= > p;  =20 > style=3D"mso-tab-count: = > 5">           &nbs= > p;            = > ;            = >   =20 > style=3D"mso-spacerun: = > yes">           &n= > bsp;  =20 >

> > - ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2C52D.51339390-- > > > - ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:52:38 -0700 > From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" > Subject: MtMan-List: Mayer? > > I have three drawings by Frank Blackwell Mayer drawn in 1851 of a Canadian. > Can anyone tell who Mayer is and where he traveled from or too? > > The caption says . . ."dressed as they appeared at rendezvous" He could not > have attended a rendezvous in 1851 so maybe they exagerated. Nice details > that are not exactly in agreement with Miller. > > WY > > > > - ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:31:03 -0700 > From: "John L. Allen" > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mayer? > > Dear Wynn and list, > > Frank Blackwell Mayer was a Baltimore artist, b. 1822 d. 1899 who studied > with Alfred Jacob Miller in the 1840s--this explains where some of the > detail in his western sketches comes from. His best known work With pen and > pencil on the frontier in 1851; the diary and sketches of Frank Blackwell > Mayer, by Francis Blackwell Mayer (Saint Paul, 1932) dealt with the treaty > conferences in the upper Midwest in 1851 (Indian cessions of parts of > southern Minnesota and adjacent areas of Iowa and the Dakotas) and most of > his Indian sketches are of Sioux. There is a good collection of Mayer's work > at the Newberry Library in Chicago but I don't know of any other significant > holdings in art museums in the US or Canada. His publication is quite > rare--if you can find a copy of it for under $200 you've probably got a very > good deal. > > John > > > Dr. John L. Allen > 2703 Leslie Court > Laramie, WY 82072-2979 > Phone: (307) 742-0883 > e-mail: jlallen@wyoming.com > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:52 PM > Subject: MtMan-List: Mayer? > > > > I have three drawings by Frank Blackwell Mayer drawn in 1851 of a > Canadian. > > Can anyone tell who Mayer is and where he traveled from or too? > > > > The caption says . . ."dressed as they appeared at rendezvous" He could > not > > have attended a rendezvous in 1851 so maybe they exagerated. Nice details > > that are not exactly in agreement with Miller. > > > > WY > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > - ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:18:34 -0700 (MST) > From: > Subject: MtMan-List: Super Bowl Beaver > > Dear List, > A few of us up here went on a small beaver trapping trip on the Upper > Missouri River this weekend. It was -6 below at my house when I got up > Saturday but was a balmy 40 above or so after crossing over the mountains > and sometimes drizzling rain! The chinook winds were blowing and it ended > up getting up to 56 degrees by my house after the low of -6 below that > morning! The temperature climbed 19 degrees in one hour with the chinook > winds. Chinook is indian (Blackfoot?) for Snow Eater, isn't it? > Anyway, our camp was small with two fly's and one small wedge. Two > trappers and 4 campkeepers. Vince put out the traps as I stood guard. We > found fresh otter and beaver sign in the snow and Vince even discovered a > very fresh otter toilet, only a day old. As Vince was setting his traps a > small beaver swam to within 6 feet of him! Vince used his own bait and we > got out 4 trap sets (I ended up setting 2 and Vince set 2) and returned to > camp. > We spent the night talking and getting to know each other as this was > the first time a few of us had met. We ate some of Mike's deer, some of > Gene's buffalo and drank my Madeira and Allen's rum. A good time was had > by all. I had too much of a good time! > The next morning I was the last to get up and when I did I found all > the other camps down and rolled up already! It was the first good nights > rest I had in a week due to my job. Vince was rearing to go check his > traps but I wasn't in a big hurry as I knew the otter would be out at this > time. I was also a bit sea sick already and didn't feel like rocking in a > canoe so soon. Steve and Vince took the canoe to check and pull the traps. > I watched from the shore as Vince pulled in a very nice dark and very > prime beaver that weighed about 35-40 pounds I'll guess. All of camp was > happy as it was a successful hunt. We all then loaded up and headed to our > homes to watch the Super Bowl. > Good luck to all of you on the trail, > BB > > > > - ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ------------------------------ > > End of hist_text-digest V1 #1138 > ******************************** > > - > To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to > "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Super Bowl Beaver Date: 27 Jan 2003 22:52:54 -0800 The temperature climbed 19 degrees in one hour with the chinook > winds. Chinook is indian (Blackfoot?) for Snow Eater, isn't it? Beaver Boy, Sounds like you all had a grand hunt. Chinook is a coastal Indian word and has been adopted to discribe the warm winds that blow down from the mountains to suddenly raise temps and melt snow in front of your eyes. There is another wind that blows back out from the inland Columbia Basin through the Columbia River Gorge called Coho. YMOS Capt. Lahti' ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Remove Date: 28 Jan 2003 02:18:52 EST --part1_c.85b09b3.2b6788dc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, little Joe ya can get your self off the same way ya got your self on. If what was at the bottom of your post is the way you feal your going to be mighty hungry and clod in these here Rockies, flat landau. Animals were made for eaten and warein or you were made for dyin and that is just the way it was. Best Regards, Crazy Cyot you said: Unseen they suffer, unheard they cry. In agony they linger, in loneliness they die.( That is what happens to them that went in to the mountains thinking,) Animals are not ours to eat, wear, experiment on, or use for entertainment That's what you think! Flat lander, Meats Meat and without it and something to protect ya from the elements your just gone beaver! my friend. --part1_c.85b09b3.2b6788dc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, little Joe ya can get your self off the same way ya got your self on.
If what was at the bottom of your post is the way you feal your going to be mighty hungry and clod in these here Rockies, flat landau. Animals were made for eaten and warein or you were made for dyin and that is just the way it was.
Best Regards,
Crazy Cyot
you said:
Unseen they suffer, unheard they cry. In agony they linger, in loneliness
they die.( That is what happens to them that went in to the mountains thinking,)
Animals are not ours to eat, wear, experiment on, or use for entertainment

That's what you think! Flat lander, Meats Meat and without it and something to protect ya from the elements your just gone beaver! my friend.
--part1_c.85b09b3.2b6788dc_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Super Bowl Beaver Date: 28 Jan 2003 04:41:07 -0700 (MST) >Capt. Coho and chinook are both winds and both salmon. Interesting. I've seen the thermometer go from -20 below at midnight to 35 above by 6:00 AM! The winds of course are howling at about 40-60 mph too however, and 70+ right along the front range, still I love chinooks! bb > The temperature climbed 19 degrees in one hour with the chinook >> winds. Chinook is indian (Blackfoot?) for Snow Eater, isn't it? > > Beaver Boy, > > Sounds like you all had a grand hunt. Chinook is a coastal Indian word > and has been adopted to discribe the warm winds that blow down from the > mountains to suddenly raise temps and melt snow in front of your eyes. > There is another wind that blows back out from the inland Columbia > Basin through the Columbia River Gorge called Coho. > > YMOS > Capt. Lahti' > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Super Bowl Beaver Date: 28 Jan 2003 07:34:59 -0800 Beaver Boy, As I understand it, those of us on the east slopes use the name Chinook Wind more often than those on the west slopes of the Cascade Range but the urbanites in Portland are the ones that use the name Coho Winds to describe the wind that comes howling westward out of the Columbia River Gorge. I don't know how often they get their Coho Wind but Chinook Winds are not as common (or seem not as common or apparent) here in eastern WA as they used to be. Perhaps because we are not having the severe snowy weather we used to have as I was growing up around here. I too love Chinook and Coho, the salmon and the wind. YMOS Capt. Lahti' ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ole Jensen Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Remove Date: 28 Jan 2003 21:14:53 -0700 on 1/27/03 11:42 PM, Curtis Taylor at littlejoe@wave.net wrote: > Please remove littlejoe@wave.net from the list, thank you. > =================================================== > Unseen they suffer, unheard they cry. In agony they linger, in loneliness > they die. > Animals are not ours to eat, wear, experiment on, or use for entertainment > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "hist_text-digest" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:19 PM > Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1138 > > >> >> hist_text-digest Monday, January 27 2003 Volume 01 : Number > 1138 >> >> >> >> In this issue: >> >> - Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs >> - Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs >> - Fw: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs >> - Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs >> - Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs >> - MtMan-List: Upcoming Events (that I know of) in the Pacific NW >> - MtMan-List: Mayer? >> - Re: MtMan-List: Mayer? >> - MtMan-List: Super Bowl Beaver >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:19:10 EST >> From: MarkLoader@aol.com >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs >> >> - --part1_122.1dde34df.2b63784e_boundary >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> I got that out of "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on pages >> 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the Great Salt > Lake >> of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 pages 247-248. >> Bill Gantic >> >> - --part1_122.1dde34df.2b63784e_boundary >> Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> I got that out of  "A Life Wild and Perilous" > By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the > Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published > in 1852 pages 247-248.
>> Bill Gantic >> >> - --part1_122.1dde34df.2b63784e_boundary-- >> >> - ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:16:30 -0700 >> From: "Tom Ballstaedt" >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs >> >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >> >> - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2C452.72517AA0 >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="iso-8859-1" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> does anybody have dean rudy's e-mail adress sorry for the off the = >> topic intrusion........ tom #1834 ----- Original Message -----=20 >> From: MarkLoader@aol.com=20 >> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 >> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:19 PM >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs >> >> >> I got that out of "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on = >> pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the = >> Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 = >> pages 247-248. >> Bill Gantic=20 >> >> - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2C452.72517AA0 >> Content-Type: text/html; >> charset="iso-8859-1" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> >> >> > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> >> >> >> >> >>
does anybody have dean rudy's  = >> e-mail=20 >> adress    sorry for the off the topic = >> intrusion........ tom=20 >> #1834   ----- Original Message -----
>> > style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = >> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> >> > style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = >> black">From:=20 >> > href=3D"mailto:MarkLoader@aol.com">MarkLoader@aol.com >> >>
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 = >> 10:19=20 >> PM
>>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump = >> Ribs
>>

> face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 >> size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF">I got that out of  "A Life Wild = >> and Perilous"=20 >> By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration = >> of the=20 >> Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First = >> published in=20 >> 1852 pages 247-248.
Bill Gantic=20 >> >> >> - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2C452.72517AA0-- >> >> >> - ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:10:08 -0600 >> From: "Lanney Ratcliff" >> Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs >> >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >> >> - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2C462.52745530 >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="iso-8859-1" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> Tom >> Try this address for Dean. >> Lanney Ratcliff >> >> Dean Rudy >> E-mail Address(es): >> drudy@xmission.com >> >> >> - ----- Original Message -----=20 >> From: Tom Ballstaedt=20 >> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 >> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:16 AM >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs >> >> >> does anybody have dean rudy's e-mail adress sorry for the off the = >> topic intrusion........ tom #1834 ----- Original Message -----=20 >> From: MarkLoader@aol.com=20 >> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 >> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:19 PM >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs >> >> >> I got that out of "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on = >> pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the = >> Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 = >> pages 247-248. >> Bill Gantic >> - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2C462.52745530 >> Content-Type: text/html; >> charset="iso-8859-1" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> >> >> > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> >> >> >> >> >>
Tom
>>
Try this address for = >> Dean.
>>
Lanney = >> Ratcliff
>>
 
>>
Dean Rudy
E-mail=20 >> Address(es):
  > href=3D"mailto:drudy@xmission.com">drudy@xmission.com
>>
 
>>
 
>>
----- Original Message -----=20 >>
From: > title=3Dthsb@earthlink.net href=3D"mailto:thsb@earthlink.net">Tom = >> Ballstaedt=20 >>
>> >>
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:16 AM
>>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs
>>

>>
does anybody have dean rudy's  = >> e-mail=20 >> adress    sorry for the off the topic = >> intrusion........ tom=20 >> #1834   ----- Original Message -----
>> > style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = >> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> >> > style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = >> black">From:=20 >> > href=3D"mailto:MarkLoader@aol.com">MarkLoader@aol.com >> >>
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 = >> 10:19=20 >> PM
>>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump = >> Ribs
>>

> face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 >> size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF">I got that out of  "A Life Wild = >> and Perilous"=20 >> By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration = >> of the=20 >> Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First = >> published in=20 >> 1852 pages 247-248.
Bill Gantic=20 >> >> >> - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2C462.52745530-- >> >> >> >> - ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:13:27 -0800 >> From: tetontodd@juno.com >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs >> >> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not > understand >> this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. >> >> - ----__JNP_000_2aa7.22d3.4ca0 >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> Tom ole Buddy. >> >> It's drudy@xmission.com That is of course on our party website! Missed >> you last weekend, the camp was fantastic! >> >> Todd >> >> On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:16:30 -0700 "Tom Ballstaedt" >> writes: >> does anybody have dean rudy's e-mail adress sorry for the off the >> topic intrusion........ tom #1834 ----- Original Message ----- >> From: MarkLoader@aol.com >> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:19 PM >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs >> >> >> I got that out of "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on pages >> 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the Great Salt >> Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 pages 247-248. >> Bill Gantic >> - ----__JNP_000_2aa7.22d3.4ca0 >> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> >> >> http-equiv=3DContent-Type> >> >> >> >> >>
Tom ole Buddy.
>>
 
>>
It's > > href=3D"mailto:drudy@xmission.com">drudy@xmission.com   = >> That=20 >> is of course on our party website! Missed you last weekend, the camp > was=20 >> fantastic!
>>
 
>>
Todd
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>>
On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:16:30 -0700 "Tom Ballstaedt" <> href=3D"mailto:thsb@earthlink.net">thsb@earthlink.net> > writes:
>> > style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: > = >> 10px"> >>
does anybody have dean rudy's  e-= >> mail=20 >> adress    sorry for the off the topic > intrusion......= >> ..=20 >> tom #1834   ----- Original Message -----
>> > style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: > = >> 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> >> > style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: > black">= >> From:=20 >> > title=3DMarkLoader@aol.com>MarkLoader@aol.com >>
To: > href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com"=20 >> title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com>hist_text@lists.xmission.com > <= >> /DIV> >>
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 > = >> 10:19=20 >> PM
>>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: > Hump=20 >> Ribs
>>

> Roman"=20 >> lang=3D0 size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF">I got that out of  "A = >> Life Wild and=20 >> Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His source is from=20 >> "Exploration of the Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By > Howard=20 >> Stansbury. First published in 1852 pages 247-248.
Bill=20 >> Gantic >>
 
>> >> - ----__JNP_000_2aa7.22d3.4ca0-- >> >> >> - ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:13:50 -0700 >> From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs >> >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >> >> - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2C51B.3D33F7C0 >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="iso-8859-1" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> Thank you Mr Gantic for the source info. I find I to often collect = >> quotes without getting a good reference to them and then if I want to = >> use them I can not track them down. Stansbury has some good info for = >> sure. I like this quote myself. Stole it from The Mule Alternative by = >> Mike Staamm: >> >> We have been in company with multitudes of emigrants the whole day. The = >> road has been lined to a long extent with their wagons, whose white = >> covers, glittering in the sunlight, resembled, at a distance, ships upon = >> the ocean. We passed a company from Boston, consisting of seventy = >> persons, one hundred and forty pack and riding mules, a number of riding = >> horses, and a drove of cattle for beef. The expedition, as might be = >> expected, and as is to generally the case, was badly conducted: the = >> mules were overloaded, and the manner of securing and arranging the = >> packs elicited many a sarcastic criticism from our party, most of whom = >> were old mountain-men, with whom the making of a pack and the loading of = >> a mule amounted to a science. >> >> Southcentral Nebraska. June 12, 1849 >> >> Captain Howard Stansbury=20 >> >> Army topographical engineer >> >> >> >> >> >> Wynn Ormond >> >> =20 >> >> =20 >> ----- Original Message -----=20 >> From: MarkLoader@aol.com=20 >> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 >> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:19 PM >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs >> >> >> I got that out of "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on = >> pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the = >> Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 = >> pages 247-248. >> Bill Gantic=20 >> >> - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2C51B.3D33F7C0 >> Content-Type: text/html; >> charset="iso-8859-1" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> >> >> > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> >> >> >> >> >>
Thank you Mr Gantic for the source = >> info.  I=20 >> find I to often collect quotes without getting a good reference to them = >> and then=20 >> if I want to use them I can not track them down.  Stansbury has = >> some=20 >> good info for sure.  I like this quote myself.  Stole it = >> from The=20 >> Mule Alternative by Mike Staamm:
>>
 
>>
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We have been in company with multitudes of emigrants the whole day. = >> The road=20 >> has been lined to a long extent with their wagons, whose white covers,=20 >> glittering in the sunlight, resembled, at a distance, ships upon the = >> ocean. We=20 >> passed a company from Boston, consisting of seventy persons, one hundred = >> and=20 >> forty pack and riding mules, a number of riding horses, and a drove of = >> cattle=20 >> for beef. The expedition, as might be expected, and as is to generally = >> the case,=20 >> was badly conducted: the mules were overloaded, and the manner of = >> securing and=20 >> arranging the packs elicited many a sarcastic criticism from our party, = >> most of=20 >> whom were old mountain-men, with whom the making of a pack and the = >> loading of a=20 >> mule amounted to a science.

>>

Southcentral Nebraska. June 12, 1849

>>

Captain Howard Stansbury

>>

Army topographical engineer

>>

 

>>

 

>>

Wynn Ormond

>>

 

 
>> > style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = >> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> >>
----- Original Message -----
>> > style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = >> black">From:=20 >> > href=3D"mailto:MarkLoader@aol.com">MarkLoader@aol.com
>> >>
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 = >> 10:19=20 >> PM
>>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump = >> Ribs
>>
> size=3D2>
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF">I got that = >> out of  "A=20 >> Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His = >> source is=20 >> from "Exploration of the Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By = >> Howard=20 >> Stansbury. First published in 1852 pages 247-248.
Bill=20 >> Gantic >> >> - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2C51B.3D33F7C0-- >> >> >> - ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:23:14 -0800 >> From: "Lee Newbill" >> Subject: MtMan-List: Upcoming Events (that I know of) in the Pacific NW >> >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >> >> - ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2C52D.51339390 >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="Windows-1252" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> Hi Folks... just a note on things coming up in the Pacific Northwest = >> thru March, that I am aware of. >> >> Regards >> >> Lee Newbill of North Idaho >> www.hogheavenmuzzleloaders.com >> http://users.potlatch.com/bluethistle >> www.mountaintoptradingco.com >> >> Jan 31 >> Tacoma Mountain Man=92s Winter Rendezvous & Civil War Winter Quarters >> Linda Hansen (253) 839-2543 >> Eric Hansen (253) 922 8440 >> Jan 31- Feb 2 >> Cabin Fever Rondy, Forest Hills BP >> Brigade, Yamhill OR >> Jack Meade (503) 324-6700 >> >> >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -= >> - ------- >> >> February >> Feb 1-2, 2003 >> Tioga Mountian Men Winter Rendezvous >> Coos Bay Oregon (10 miles east of Coos Bay at Rook Higgins Park) >> POC: Ken Sjogren: 541-396-5565 =20 >> >> Feb 14-16, 2003 >> Rain-De-Vous '03 >> Olympia, Washington (south of) (Littlerock,Wa) >> POC: Booshway- Robinson Hartsell (360) 459-2387 or Segundo- Kevin Stuber = >> (360) 483-1349 >> Tom Brown (360) 352-5984 >> >> Feb 15-16 2003 >> Muzzleloader & Early American Craft Show >> Coeur D'Alene, Idaho, At the Fairgrounds >> Tony (509) 397-4447 >> >> Feb 15, 16 >> Frontier Heritage Fair, Lane County Fairgrounds >> Eugene Oregon >> Fort Umpqua Muzzleloaders, P. O. Box 566, Springfield Or. 97477 >> >> Feb. 19-23 =20 >> Horse Ridge Rendezvous, Grizzly Mt. >> Long Rifles, Bend OR =20 >> Carol Harden (541) 546-2205 >> Ken Miltonberger (541) 389-7007 >> >> >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -= >> - ------- >> >> March >> >> Mar 8 & 9 >> 22d Annual Cascade Mountain Men Muzzleloading & Pioneer Craft Show >> King County Fairgrounds, Enumclaw, WA >> Walt Christensen (206) 878-4907 >> >> Mar 9, 2003 (2nd weekend in March) >> Muzzleloading Clubs of the Snake & Clearwater Confluence Memorial Shoot >> Near Clarkston, Washington >> POC: Russell Page at (208) 435-4416, email russ_89049@yahoo.com;=20 >> Don Robinson, email dtrobinson@hotmail.com >> >> Mar 13-16 >> Evergreen Spring Thaw Rendezvous >> Evergreen Sportsmen=92s Club, Littlerock, WA >> Pete Strobl (360) 352-1800 >> >> Mar 14-16, 2003 >> 7th Annual Pioneer Living Craft Show=20 >> Kitsap County Fairgrounds, Bremerton, WA >> POC: Too Frank email at toofrank@attbi.com, or phone at (253) 472-6110 >> >> Mar 29 & 30 >> Yakima Valley Muzzleloaders Musket Match >> Yakima, WA=20 >> Terry Savage (509) 965- 0079 >> Wayne Worgum (509) 966-6673 = >> =20 >> >> - ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2C52D.51339390 >> Content-Type: text/html; >> charset="Windows-1252" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> >> >> > charset=3Dwindows-1252"> >> >> >> >> >>
Hi Folks... just a note on things coming up in = >> the Pacific=20 >> Northwest thru March, that I am aware of.
>>
 
>>
Regards
>>
 
>>
Lee Newbill of North Idaho
> href=3D"http://www.hogheavenmuzzleloaders.com">www.hogheavenmuzzleloaders= >> .com
> href=3D"http://users.potlatch.com/bluethistle">http://users.potlatch.com/= >> bluethistle
>>
> href=3D"http://www.mountaintoptradingco.com">www.mountaintoptradingco.com= >>
>>

> face=3DArial>Jan 31
Tacoma Mountain Man=92s Winter = >> Rendezvous=20 >> & Civil War Winter Quarters
Linda Hansen (253) = >> 839-2543> prefix =3D o />
Eric Hansen (253) 922 = >> 8440
>>
>>

Jan = >> 31- Feb=20 >> 2
Cabin Fever Rondy, Forest Hills BP
Brigade, Yamhill = >> OR
Jack=20 >> Meade (503) 324-6700

> face=3DArial> >>
>> >>

> size=3D3>February

>>

Feb 1-2,=20 >> 2003
> href=3D"rendz_flyers_2003/tioga_mt_mn.gif">> size=3D3>Tioga=20 >> Mountian Men Winter Rendezvous
> face=3DArial>Coos Bay Oregon (10 miles east of Coos = >> Bay at Rook=20 >> Higgins Park)
POC: Ken Sjogren:=20 >> 541-396-5565 

>>

Feb 14-16, = >> 2003
> href=3D"rendz_flyers_2003/rain_de_voo_2003.gif">> size=3D3>Rain-De-Vous '03
> size=3D3>Olympia,=20 >> Washington (south of) (Littlerock,Wa)
POC: Booshway- Robinson = >> Hartsell (360)=20 >> 459-2387 or Segundo- Kevin Stuber (360) = >> 483-1349
> size=3D3>Tom Brown (360)=20 >> 352-5984

>>

Feb 15-16 = >> 2003
> href=3D"rendz_flyers_2003/cda_2003.gif">> size=3D3>Muzzleloader &=20 >> Early American Craft Show
> size=3D3>Coeur D'Alene,=20 >> Idaho, At the Fairgrounds
> face=3DArial>Tony (509) 397-4447

>>

Feb = >> 15,=20 >> 16
Frontier Heritage Fair, Lane County Fairgrounds
Eugene = >> >> Oregon
Fort = >> Umpqua=20 >> Muzzleloaders, P. O. Box 566, Springfield Or.=20 >> 97477

>>

Feb. = >> 19-23 =20 >>
Horse Ridge Rendezvous, Grizzly Mt.
Long Rifles, Bend OR = >> >>     
Carol Harden (541)=20 >> 546-2205
Ken = >> Miltonberger=20 >> (541) 389-7007

>>
>> >>

> size=3D3>March

>>


Mar 8 = >> &=20 >> 9
22d Annual Cascade Mountain Men Muzzleloading & = >> Pioneer Craft=20 >> Show
King County Fairgrounds, Enumclaw, WA
Walt = >> Christensen=20 >> (206) 878-4907

>>

Mar 9, 2003 = >> (2nd> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">  weekend in=20 >> March)
> href=3D"rendz_flyers_2003/memorial.htm">> face=3DArial size=3D3>Muzzleloading Clubs of the Snake & Clearwater = >> Confluence=20 >> Memorial Shoot
Near = >> Clarkston,=20 >> Washington
POC: Russell Page at (208) 435-4416, email > href=3D"mailto:russ_89049@yahoo.com">> size=3D3>russ_89049@yahoo.com;=20 >>
Don Robinson, email = >> > href=3D"mailto:dtrobinson@hotmail.com">> size=3D3>dtrobinson@hotmail.com

>>

Mar=20 >> 13-16
Evergreen Spring Thaw Rendezvous
Evergreen = >> Sportsmen=92s=20 >> Club, Littlerock, WA
Pete Strobl (360)=20 >> 352-1800

>>

Mar = >> 14-16,=20 >> 2003
7th Annual Pioneer Living Craft Show
Kitsap County=20 >> Fairgrounds, Bremerton,  WA
POC: > href=3D"mailto:toofrank@attbi.com">Too=20 >> Frank email at > href=3D"mailto:toofrank@attbi.com">> size=3D3>toofrank@attbi.com, or = >> phone at (253)=20 >> 472-6110

>>

Mar = >> 29 &=20 >> 30
Yakima Valley Muzzleloaders Musket Match
Yakima, WA = >>
Terry=20 >> Savage (509) 965- 0079
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>> >> - ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2C52D.51339390-- >> >> >> - ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:52:38 -0700 >> From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" >> Subject: MtMan-List: Mayer? >> >> I have three drawings by Frank Blackwell Mayer drawn in 1851 of a > Canadian. >> Can anyone tell who Mayer is and where he traveled from or too? >> >> The caption says . . ."dressed as they appeared at rendezvous" He could > not >> have attended a rendezvous in 1851 so maybe they exagerated. Nice details >> that are not exactly in agreement with Miller. >> >> WY >> >> >> >> - ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:31:03 -0700 >> From: "John L. Allen" >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mayer? >> >> Dear Wynn and list, >> >> Frank Blackwell Mayer was a Baltimore artist, b. 1822 d. 1899 who studied >> with Alfred Jacob Miller in the 1840s--this explains where some of the >> detail in his western sketches comes from. His best known work With pen > and >> pencil on the frontier in 1851; the diary and sketches of Frank Blackwell >> Mayer, by Francis Blackwell Mayer (Saint Paul, 1932) dealt with the treaty >> conferences in the upper Midwest in 1851 (Indian cessions of parts of >> southern Minnesota and adjacent areas of Iowa and the Dakotas) and most of >> his Indian sketches are of Sioux. There is a good collection of Mayer's > work >> at the Newberry Library in Chicago but I don't know of any other > significant >> holdings in art museums in the US or Canada. His publication is quite >> rare--if you can find a copy of it for under $200 you've probably got a > very >> good deal. >> >> John >> >> >> Dr. John L. Allen >> 2703 Leslie Court >> Laramie, WY 82072-2979 >> Phone: (307) 742-0883 >> e-mail: jlallen@wyoming.com >> >> - ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:52 PM >> Subject: MtMan-List: Mayer? >> >> >>> I have three drawings by Frank Blackwell Mayer drawn in 1851 of a >> Canadian. >>> Can anyone tell who Mayer is and where he traveled from or too? >>> >>> The caption says . . ."dressed as they appeared at rendezvous" He could >> not >>> have attended a rendezvous in 1851 so maybe they exagerated. Nice > details >>> that are not exactly in agreement with Miller. >>> >>> WY >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------- >>> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >>> >> >> >> >> - ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:18:34 -0700 (MST) >> From: >> Subject: MtMan-List: Super Bowl Beaver >> >> Dear List, >> A few of us up here went on a small beaver trapping trip on the Upper >> Missouri River this weekend. It was -6 below at my house when I got up >> Saturday but was a balmy 40 above or so after crossing over the mountains >> and sometimes drizzling rain! The chinook winds were blowing and it ended >> up getting up to 56 degrees by my house after the low of -6 below that >> morning! The temperature climbed 19 degrees in one hour with the chinook >> winds. Chinook is indian (Blackfoot?) for Snow Eater, isn't it? >> Anyway, our camp was small with two fly's and one small wedge. Two >> trappers and 4 campkeepers. Vince put out the traps as I stood guard. We >> found fresh otter and beaver sign in the snow and Vince even discovered a >> very fresh otter toilet, only a day old. As Vince was setting his traps a >> small beaver swam to within 6 feet of him! Vince used his own bait and we >> got out 4 trap sets (I ended up setting 2 and Vince set 2) and returned to >> camp. >> We spent the night talking and getting to know each other as this was >> the first time a few of us had met. We ate some of Mike's deer, some of >> Gene's buffalo and drank my Madeira and Allen's rum. A good time was had >> by all. I had too much of a good time! >> The next morning I was the last to get up and when I did I found all >> the other camps down and rolled up already! It was the first good nights >> rest I had in a week due to my job. Vince was rearing to go check his >> traps but I wasn't in a big hurry as I knew the otter would be out at this >> time. I was also a bit sea sick already and didn't feel like rocking in a >> canoe so soon. Steve and Vince took the canoe to check and pull the traps. >> I watched from the shore as Vince pulled in a very nice dark and very >> prime beaver that weighed about 35-40 pounds I'll guess. All of camp was >> happy as it was a successful hunt. We all then loaded up and headed to our >> homes to watch the Super Bowl. >> Good luck to all of you on the trail, >> BB >> >> >> >> - ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of hist_text-digest V1 #1138 >> ******************************** >> >> - >> To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to >> "majordomo@xmission.com" >> with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. >> > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Curtis, I don't know about that! The old Horse I feed each day is 27 years old and he carried me and gave me much pleasure and entertainment. The one dog, 4 cat's,4 chickens, 3 ducks and on cocatile keep me entertained, My dog always want's me to share my steak with him and I do. You must think our food commits suicide to get on youre table. I don't ask my annimals to be anything more than what they are. I don't treat them cruel ani I don't give them moore reverence than they deserve. All my family have been farmers and there is no one that take better care of there animals then them. You are a flat lander and hypocritical to the ways of annimals and nature. Ole ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:45:33 -0600 Date: 28 Jan 2003 10:45:49 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C2C6C2.C408A090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mr Taylor, you can click on the address listed at the bottem of every = history list post and unsubscribe yourself. =20 I'll be glad when people worry more about children and old people who = suffer unseen, cry unheard, linger in agony and die in lonliness than = they do about some unlucky animals. I am also willing that animals are = used to prove the safety and efficacy of drugs to improve the lot of = sick people everywhere. =20 Now I'm going to put on my leather shoes and cinch up my leather belt = and go have a tasty steak. Later I will spend some time with my = dog.....entertaining both her and me. my $0.02 Lanney Ratcliff on 1/27/03 11:42 PM, Curtis Taylor at littlejoe@wave.net wrote: > Please remove littlejoe@wave.net from the list, thank you. > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D > Unseen they suffer, unheard they cry. In agony they linger, in = loneliness > they die. > Animals are not ours to eat, wear, experiment on, or use for = entertainment ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C2C6C2.C408A090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I'll be glad when people = worry=20 more about children and old people who suffer unseen, cry = unheard, linger in agony and die in lonliness than they do about some = unlucky=20 animals.  I am also willing that animals are used to prove the = safety and=20 efficacy of drugs to improve the lot of sick people everywhere. =20
Now I'm going to put on my = leather=20 shoes and cinch up my leather belt and go have a tasty steak.  = Later I=20 will spend some time with my dog.....entertaining both her and = me.
my $0.02
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I don't know whether chinook is a Blackfoot word or Chinook Indian word; my Blackfoot Dictionary gives the following Blackfoot equivalents for the English word "chinook": "iikopiisopo" (verb, inanimate, intransitive; literally, "broth wind"); "koopiisopo" (noun, inanimate, also literally translates as "broth wind"); and "si'kssopo" (noun, inanimate, means "chinook"). It took me a minute to puzzle out why it would be called a "broth wind", but then I remembered the smell of the sea that often comes with a long, strong chinook. Your very humble & most obedient servant, Angela Gottfred ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sean Boushie" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Super Bowl Beaver Date: 28 Jan 2003 18:55:34 +0000 BB, Sounds like all had fun. Boy the weather sure has been screwy here lately. I camped next to vince and Mike at Nationals a couple years ago. Nice guys. If I remember right Mike had some fine smooth Tennessee corn Medicine he brought from his homeland. Made those North fork nights a bit warmer. >From: >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: >Subject: MtMan-List: Super Bowl Beaver >Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:18:34 -0700 (MST) > >Dear List, > A few of us up here went on a small beaver trapping trip on the Upper >Missouri River this weekend. It was -6 below at my house when I got up >Saturday but was a balmy 40 above or so after crossing over the mountains >and sometimes drizzling rain! The chinook winds were blowing and it ended >up getting up to 56 degrees by my house after the low of -6 below that >morning! The temperature climbed 19 degrees in one hour with the chinook >winds. Chinook is indian (Blackfoot?) for Snow Eater, isn't it? > Anyway, our camp was small with two fly's and one small wedge. Two >trappers and 4 campkeepers. Vince put out the traps as I stood guard. We >found fresh otter and beaver sign in the snow and Vince even discovered a >very fresh otter toilet, only a day old. As Vince was setting his traps a >small beaver swam to within 6 feet of him! Vince used his own bait and we >got out 4 trap sets (I ended up setting 2 and Vince set 2) and returned to >camp. > We spent the night talking and getting to know each other as this was >the first time a few of us had met. We ate some of Mike's deer, some of >Gene's buffalo and drank my Madeira and Allen's rum. A good time was had >by all. I had too much of a good time! > The next morning I was the last to get up and when I did I found all >the other camps down and rolled up already! It was the first good nights >rest I had in a week due to my job. Vince was rearing to go check his >traps but I wasn't in a big hurry as I knew the otter would be out at this >time. I was also a bit sea sick already and didn't feel like rocking in a >canoe so soon. Steve and Vince took the canoe to check and pull the traps. >I watched from the shore as Vince pulled in a very nice dark and very >prime beaver that weighed about 35-40 pounds I'll guess. All of camp was >happy as it was a successful hunt. We all then loaded up and headed to our >homes to watch the Super Bowl. > Good luck to all of you on the trail, > BB > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: HR 1112 Antique Firearms Safety Act Date: 28 Jan 2003 13:56:11 EST --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen. This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms. SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms". You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site. Y.M.O.S. C.T. Oakes Little Beard Brants Volunteers/Crogans & Lottridge Co./Doxstader Co. BVMA "Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and usefull that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant." John Adams --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen.  This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms.  SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms".  

You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov  and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site.

Y.M.O.S.     
C.T. Oakes
Little Beard
Brants Volunteers/Crogans & Lottridge Co./Doxstader Co.
BVMA
"Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and usefull that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant."  John Adams --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: HR 1112 Antique Firearms Safety Act Date: 28 Jan 2003 13:56:11 EST --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen. This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms. SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms". You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site. Y.M.O.S. C.T. Oakes Little Beard Brants Volunteers/Crogans & Lottridge Co./Doxstader Co. BVMA "Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and usefull that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant." John Adams --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen.  This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms.  SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms".  

You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov  and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site.

Y.M.O.S.     
C.T. Oakes
Little Beard
Brants Volunteers/Crogans & Lottridge Co./Doxstader Co.
BVMA
"Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and usefull that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant."  John Adams --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: HR 1112 Antique Firearms Safety Act Date: 28 Jan 2003 13:56:11 EST --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen. This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms. SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms". You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site. Y.M.O.S. C.T. Oakes Little Beard Brants Volunteers/Crogans & Lottridge Co./Doxstader Co. BVMA "Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and usefull that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant." John Adams --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen.  This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms.  SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms".  

You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov  and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site.

Y.M.O.S.     
C.T. Oakes
Little Beard
Brants Volunteers/Crogans & Lottridge Co./Doxstader Co.
BVMA
"Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and usefull that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant."  John Adams --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: HR 1112 Antique Firearms Safety Act Date: 28 Jan 2003 13:56:11 EST --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen. This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms. SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms". You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site. Y.M.O.S. C.T. Oakes Little Beard Brants Volunteers/Crogans & Lottridge Co./Doxstader Co. BVMA "Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and usefull that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant." John Adams --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen.  This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms.  SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms".  

You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov  and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site.

Y.M.O.S.     
C.T. Oakes
Little Beard
Brants Volunteers/Crogans & Lottridge Co./Doxstader Co.
BVMA
"Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and usefull that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant."  John Adams --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: HR 1112 Antique Firearms Safety Act Date: 28 Jan 2003 13:56:11 EST --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen. This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms. SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms". You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site. Y.M.O.S. C.T. Oakes Little Beard Brants Volunteers/Crogans & Lottridge Co./Doxstader Co. BVMA "Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and usefull that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant." John Adams --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen.  This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms.  SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms".  

You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov  and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site.

Y.M.O.S.     
C.T. Oakes
Little Beard
Brants Volunteers/Crogans & Lottridge Co./Doxstader Co.
BVMA
"Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and usefull that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant."  John Adams --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: HR 1112 Antique Firearms Safety Act Date: 28 Jan 2003 13:56:11 EST --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen. This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms. SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms". You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site. Y.M.O.S. C.T. Oakes Little Beard Brants Volunteers/Crogans & Lottridge Co./Doxstader Co. BVMA "Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and usefull that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant." John Adams --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen.  This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms.  SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms".  

You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov  and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site.

Y.M.O.S.     
C.T. Oakes
Little Beard
Brants Volunteers/Crogans & Lottridge Co./Doxstader Co.
BVMA
"Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and usefull that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant."  John Adams --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: HR 1112 Antique Firearms Safety Act Date: 28 Jan 2003 13:56:11 EST --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen. This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms. SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms". You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site. Y.M.O.S. C.T. Oakes Little Beard Brants Volunteers/Crogans & Lottridge Co./Doxstader Co. BVMA "Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and usefull that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant." John Adams --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen.  This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms.  SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms".  

You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov  and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site.

Y.M.O.S.     
C.T. Oakes
Little Beard
Brants Volunteers/Crogans & Lottridge Co./Doxstader Co.
BVMA
"Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and usefull that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant."  John Adams --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "kc16" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: Chinook wind Date: 28 Jan 2003 11:11:53 -0800 The Chinook Indians FYI Chinook /shiNOOK/, n. 1. "chinook salmon" a large salmon, Oncorhynchus tshawytscha, of the N. Pacific. 2. American Indian name of a tribe 3. a warm dry wind which blows east of the Rocky Mountains. 4. a warm wet southerly wind west of the Rocky Mountains. 5. a rare American sled dog The Chinook jargon is used by some of us up here in the northwest. A typical greeting in Chinook is, "Klohowya". Used for hello and goodbye. The Chinook people were the traders of the western rocky mountain native peoples. Their jargon was a mix of words from a variety of languages including french, english, and various tribes along the Columbia river and as far south as California. The Chinook people were into the flathead. They would tie the board to the infants in order to flaten the forhead and peak the crown of the head. Regards, Blood #1651 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:01 AM > > The temperature climbed 19 degrees in one hour with the chinook > > winds. Chinook is indian (Blackfoot?) for Snow Eater, isn't it? > > Coincidentally, there was recently a TV documentary on the Discovery > Channel about chinooks > (http://www3.telus.net/public/kisa1/westmount/snoweater.htm), and > yesterday, we had a huge chinook blow in, just look the one Beaverboy > described, a change of twenty-five degrees Celsius (from -20 to +5) in > 24 hours. I don't know whether chinook is a Blackfoot word or Chinook > Indian word; my Blackfoot Dictionary gives the following Blackfoot > equivalents for the English word "chinook": "iikopiisopo" (verb, > inanimate, intransitive; literally, "broth wind"); "koopiisopo" (noun, > inanimate, also literally translates as "broth wind"); and "si'kssopo" > (noun, inanimate, means "chinook"). It took me a minute to puzzle out > why it would be called a "broth wind", but then I remembered the smell > of the sea that often comes with a long, strong chinook. > > Your very humble & most obedient servant, > Angela Gottfred > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: HR 1112 Antique Firearms Safety Act Date: 28 Jan 2003 13:56:11 EST --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen. This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms. SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms". You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site. Y.M.O.S. C.T. Oakes Little Beard Brants Volunteers/Crogans & Lottridge Co./Doxstader Co. BVMA "Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and usefull that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant." John Adams --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen.  This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms.  SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms".  

You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov  and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site.

Y.M.O.S.     
C.T. Oakes
Little Beard
Brants Volunteers/Crogans & Lottridge Co./Doxstader Co.
BVMA
"Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and usefull that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant."  John Adams --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: HR 1112 Antique Firearms Safety Act Date: 28 Jan 2003 13:56:11 EST --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen. This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms. SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms". You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site. Y.M.O.S. C.T. Oakes Little Beard Brants Volunteers/Crogans & Lottridge Co./Doxstader Co. BVMA "Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and usefull that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant." John Adams --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen.  This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms.  SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms".  

You can find the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov  and you can also call up your representatives E mail address and write them from the site.

Y.M.O.S.     
C.T. Oakes
Little Beard
Brants Volunteers/Crogans & Lottridge Co./Doxstader Co.
BVMA
"Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and usefull that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant."  John Adams --part1_147.8ebc69b.2b682c4b_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "kc16" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: Chinook wind Date: 28 Jan 2003 11:20:58 -0800 The Chinook Indians, The Chinook indians lived basically in the area that is now known as Vancouver, WA. There is a very good book on the Chinook Indians from the University of Oklahoma Press called "The Chinook Indians". It was written by Robert H. Ruby and John A. Brown copyrighted in 1976. There is also a very good book written by Edward Harper Thomas entitled Chinook a History and Dictionary which holds a small history section and a rather in depth jargon dictionary with plenty of usages. Enough to learn the language. Kopa delate (from sincere), Pilpil #1651 (Blood #1651) This is, in fact my handle....Blood but I actually do prefer Pilpil. Unfortunately, very few people understand the word Pilpil, so I go by Blood. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:01 AM > > The temperature climbed 19 degrees in one hour with the chinook > > winds. Chinook is indian (Blackfoot?) for Snow Eater, isn't it? > > Coincidentally, there was recently a TV documentary on the Discovery > Channel about chinooks > (http://www3.telus.net/public/kisa1/westmount/snoweater.htm), and > yesterday, we had a huge chinook blow in, just look the one Beaverboy > described, a change of twenty-five degrees Celsius (from -20 to +5) in > 24 hours. I don't know whether chinook is a Blackfoot word or Chinook > Indian word; my Blackfoot Dictionary gives the following Blackfoot > equivalents for the English word "chinook": "iikopiisopo" (verb, > inanimate, intransitive; literally, "broth wind"); "koopiisopo" (noun, > inanimate, also literally translates as "broth wind"); and "si'kssopo" > (noun, inanimate, means "chinook"). It took me a minute to puzzle out > why it would be called a "broth wind", but then I remembered the smell > of the sea that often comes with a long, strong chinook. > > Your very humble & most obedient servant, > Angela Gottfred > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alan Avery Subject: Re: MtMan-List: HR 1112 Antique Firearms Safety Act Date: 28 Jan 2003 12:54:09 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_26kuHZpd97Zy2CyfPH+RWg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT "...Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen. This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms. SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms"..." Mr Oakes, I for one do not appreciate 10 emails to this list, (also a number to several other lists that we evidently both belong to.) to call everyone to arms in regard to a bill that died in committee a long time ago. I don't know where you got your info from, but if you had taken the time to check it before spamming the list(s), you would have seen that there has been no action on that particular bill since April of 2001. That makes it a dead issue. In the future, please check your information before getting your breechclout in a twist. Black Knife --Boundary_(ID_26kuHZpd97Zy2CyfPH+RWg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
 
"...Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen.  This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms.  SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms"..."
 
 
Mr Oakes,
 
I for one do not appreciate 10 emails to this list, (also a number to several other lists that we evidently both belong to.) to call everyone to arms in regard to a bill that died in committee a long time ago. I don't know where you got your info from, but if you had taken the time to check it before spamming the list(s), you would have seen that there has been no action on that particular bill since April of 2001. That makes it a dead issue. In the future, please check your information before getting your breechclout in a twist.
 
 
Black Knife
  
--Boundary_(ID_26kuHZpd97Zy2CyfPH+RWg)-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: HR 1112 Antique Firearms Safety Act Date: 28 Jan 2003 16:26:22 EST --part1_103.2569ea93.2b684f7e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My apologise to the list for the multipule postings. I sent the message one time but based on my in box and Alan Avery's message it some how got repeated multipule times. Y.M.O.S. C.T. Oakes Brants Volunteers/Crogans & Lottridge Co./Doxstader Co. BVMA "Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and usefull that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant." John Adams --part1_103.2569ea93.2b684f7e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My apologise to the list for the multipule postings.  I sent the message one time but based on my in box and Alan Avery's message it some how got repeated multipule times.  



Y.M.O.S.     
C.T. Oakes
Brants Volunteers/Crogans & Lottridge Co./Doxstader Co.
BVMA
"Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and usefull that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant."  John Adams --part1_103.2569ea93.2b684f7e_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim J." Subject: Re: MtMan-List: HR 1112 Antique Firearms Safety Act Date: 28 Jan 2003 16:36:03 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_jA0W0ev9/ZfF75sxdlr9ZA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I too, do not appreciate so many repeat emails... but... since Mr. Oakes has not "spammed" the list in the past... and since cyber space sometimes does strange things, like getting stuck and sending repeat emails... which I've experienced on this list and other lists... I will "assume" the best intentions from Mr. Oakes and "assume" that this is a clitch in cyber world. Maybe I'm being naive for "assuming" so much (BG). Tim who ain't used to so much cold and has too much time on his hands and usually doesn't have to time to respond to message like this ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Avery To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 3:54 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: HR 1112 Antique Firearms Safety Act "...Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen. This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms. SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms"..." Mr Oakes, I for one do not appreciate 10 emails to this list... [snip] but if you had taken the time to check it before spamming the list(s)... [snip] --Boundary_(ID_jA0W0ev9/ZfF75sxdlr9ZA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I too, do not appreciate so many repeat emails... but... since Mr. Oakes has not "spammed" the list in the past... and since cyber space sometimes does strange things, like getting stuck and sending repeat emails... which I've experienced on this list and other lists... I will "assume" the best intentions from Mr. Oakes and "assume" that this is a clitch in cyber world.  Maybe I'm being naive for "assuming" so much (BG).
 
Tim
who ain't used to so much cold and has too much time on his hands and usually doesn't have to time to respond to message like this
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Avery
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: HR 1112 Antique Firearms Safety Act

 
"...Time to write, E-mail or call your congressmen.  This proposed bill plans "To make Federal law apply to antique firarms in the same way it applies to other firearms.  SEC.2 Elimination of Exemptions for Antique Firearms"..."
 
 
Mr Oakes,
 
I for one do not appreciate 10 emails to this list... [snip] but if you had taken the time to check it before spamming the list(s)... [snip]
--Boundary_(ID_jA0W0ev9/ZfF75sxdlr9ZA)-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Don't eat animals???? Date: 28 Jan 2003 16:08:09 -0800 Dear List Members, I just wanted to warn all of you. I tried a strict Vegetarian diet. I stuck with it as long as my strength held out. I finally gave it up. Those vegetarians are so much harder to catch than most other mammals, and those vegetarians cook up real stringy and lean..... yuck.... I gave up on that vegetarian diet. . yfab Randy Randal Bublitz rjbublitz@earthlink.net Freedom is Not Free ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: StephenMerritt Subject: MtMan-List: Research Help Date: 29 Jan 2003 19:03:24 -0600 Hello everyone, I realize this may be off topic for this list but I need your advice. I am looking for research materials for the period in which Tennessee would have been considered the frontier so I'm guessing mid-18th to early 19th Centuries. Other than the book "Seedtime On the Cumberland" can anyone make any recommendations where to look? Thank you ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: StephenMerritt Subject: MtMan-List: Research Help Date: 29 Jan 2003 19:06:54 -0600 Hello everyone, I realize this may be off topic for this list but I need your advice. I am looking for research materials for the period in which Tennessee would have been considered the frontier so I'm guessing mid-18th to early 19th Centuries. Other than the book "Seedtime On the Cumberland" can anyone make any recommendations where to look? Thank you ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: StephenMerritt Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Research Help Date: 29 Jan 2003 19:08:56 -0600 forgive the multiple posts ... it was unintentional At 07:06 PM 1/29/03 -0600, StephenMerritt wrote: >Hello everyone, >I realize this may be off topic for this list but I need your advice. I >am looking for research materials for the period in which Tennessee would >have been considered the frontier so I'm guessing mid-18th to early 19th >Centuries. Other than the book "Seedtime On the Cumberland" can anyone >make any recommendations where to look? > >Thank you > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John L. Allen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Research Help Date: 29 Jan 2003 18:41:00 -0700 Ho, the list, One of the best books ever written on the "backwoods" or "midlands" frontier is THE AMERICAN BACKWOODS FRONTIER: AN ETHNIC AND ECOLOGICAL INTERPRETATION. by Terry Jordan and Matti Kaups. The book is out of print but you should be able to pick up a copy via one of the used-book websites like Bibliofind. John Dr. John L. Allen 2703 Leslie Court Laramie, WY 82072-2979 Phone: (307) 742-0883 e-mail: jlallen@wyoming.com ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 6:03 PM > Hello everyone, > I realize this may be off topic for this list but I need your advice. I am > looking for research materials for the period in which Tennessee would have > been considered the frontier so I'm guessing mid-18th to early 19th > Centuries. Other than the book "Seedtime On the Cumberland" can anyone > make any recommendations where to look? > > Thank you > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Elkflea@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: remove Date: 29 Jan 2003 22:16:59 EST ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: MtMan-List: "Smooth" home brew Date: 29 Jan 2003 21:52:08 -0700 (MST) Sean, That must be the same Mike and Vince. Mike only gets either moonshine or rye whiskey from back home. I cannot stomach either one but could use them to start camp fires or strip paint. I'm now concerned about your definition of "smooth". bb ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Taking the Cold Date: 29 Jan 2003 22:59:01 -0700 While doing a little research this last weekend I found an interesting entry in Jacob Fowlers Journal. He was a trader who came west, Colordo or there abouts, in 1821. At the time of this entry he had been trading with a big delegation of Arapaho, Comanche, Toas etc. It was Nov 23 1821. a Snow fell about one foot deep and the weather is now Cold the River frosen up the Ice a great thickness and the Indian children that is able to walk and up to tall boys are out on the Ice by day light and all as naked as the Came to the world Heare the are at all kinds of sport Which their Setuation Will admit and all tho the frost is very seveer the appear quite Warm and a lively as I Heave Ever Seen Children In mid Summer. . . and Some that Ware too young to Walk Ware taken by the larger ones and Soot on a pece of skin on the ice and In this Setuation kick its (legs) Round and Hollow and laff at those Round it at play. . . Along with bringing on a wonderful mental picture of the joy of these children at play, I am amazed at their ability to withstand cold. I have repeatedly read about this in native peoples. Is this a mind over matter thing or an accustoming to harsher realities or is it just that these children were that much tougher than I am? Or something else? Wynn Ormond ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mtman Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Don't eat animals???? Date: 29 Jan 2003 22:42:35 -0800 Randy, I was told that Vegetarian was the Indian word for lousy hunter. You thinks thats true? Steve'boatkiller'McGehee Randal Bublitz wrote: > Dear List Members, I just wanted to warn all of you. I tried a strict > Vegetarian diet. I stuck with it as long as my strength held out. I > finally gave it up. Those vegetarians are so much harder to catch than > most other mammals, and those vegetarians cook up real stringy and > lean..... yuck.... I gave up on that vegetarian diet. . yfab Randy > > Randal Bublitz > rjbublitz@earthlink.net > Freedom is Not Free > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Taking the Cold Date: 30 Jan 2003 01:17:47 -0800 Wynn, I think it is primarily acclimation. When I lived on the trail I wouldn't sleep under a roof as I knew it would take the edge off, the longer I was out the less significant temperature extremes seemed. I need more blankets now than then; women and soft beds were my ruin. Every winter the first snaps of cold hit hard, now it's not so chilling as the mercury rises & drops. Same thing lesser scale. John... At 09:59 PM 1/29/03, Wynn wrote: >Along with bringing on a wonderful mental picture of the joy of these >children at play, I am amazed at their ability to withstand cold. I have >repeatedly read about this in native peoples. Is this a mind over matter >thing or an accustoming to harsher realities or is it just that these >children were that much tougher than I am? Or something else? > >Wynn Ormond ~~~~~~~ In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Research Help Date: 30 Jan 2003 11:06:32 EST > I am > looking for research materials for the period in which Tennessee would have > been considered the frontier so I'm guessing mid-18th to early 19th Centuries. Steve, Obtain a copy of the "Annals of Tennessee" by J.G.M. Ramsey. It is the history of Tennessee before 1800, and is 1st person documentation. Ramsey was a contemporary of Draper and they were friends. Draper used much of Ramsey's source material in his writings. Ramsey's father was one of the original settlers and he was personally acquainted with many others of note, and interviewed them before they died. It contains many letters and personal journals in toto. His book was written around 1850, and fortunately has been reprinted by the TN Historical Society. If you do a search on abe.com, you will get a store in Bristol, TN. They are also the publisher and your best bet for purchase. It's about a $50 book. Dave Kanger ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin Stickelman" Date: 30 Jan 2003 21:19:21 -0700 I am a backcountry manager at Philmont Scout Ranch in Cimarron, NM. Philmont is currently developing new and more accurate living history programs for many of its camps. Two of those camps are Fur Trade interpretive. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or research topics on this matter. Thanks, Kevin _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newbill" Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Date: 31 Jan 2003 08:04:42 -0800 Greetings Kevin What part of the fur trade are you interested in? The US/American Rocky Mountain portion? What resources do you have? Regards Lee Newbill of North Idaho AMM# 1821 http://www.hogheavenmuzzleloaders.com http://users.potlatch.com/bluethistle http://www.mountaintoptradingco.com ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:19 PM > > I am a backcountry manager at Philmont Scout Ranch in Cimarron, NM. > Philmont is currently developing new and more accurate living history > programs for many of its camps. Two of those camps are Fur Trade > interpretive. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or research topics > on this matter. > > Thanks, > Kevin > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Jones" Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:16:01 -0600 Date: 31 Jan 2003 12:18:19 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C2C92A.E689DFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For reasons of health, I am beginning to liquidate my library. Part of = my collection is great to fair material relating to the French and = Indian War through the revolution. Can anyone recommend a dealer who = might either be interested in paying a fair price for the lot or the = better items therein, or even doing a deal on a split of the successful = sales? I most sincerely appreciate your time. Regards, Paul P.S. I also have an extensive fur trade library, trapping and survival = collection, fly tying and fishing volumes with many first editions, etc. = Any suggestions as to book dealers with that interest? ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C2C92A.E689DFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For reasons of health, I am beginning to liquidate my = library.  Part=20 of my collection is great to fair material relating to the French and = Indian War=20 through the revolution.  Can anyone recommend a dealer who = might=20 either be interested in paying a fair price for the lot or the better = items=20 therein, or even doing a deal on a split of the successful sales?
 
I most sincerely appreciate your time.
 
Regards,
 
Paul
 
P.S.  I also have an extensive fur trade library, trapping and = survival collection, fly tying and fishing volumes with many first = editions,=20 etc.  Any suggestions as to book dealers with that interest?
 
------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C2C92A.E689DFC0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JIM BRYAN" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:16:01 -0600 Date: 31 Jan 2003 13:27:56 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E2_01C2C92C.90C5C7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul, I don't know if they deal in books, but Collectors' Covey here in Dallas = deals in outdoor art.ie: bronzes, paintings, etc. You might give them a = try on the good fishing books.hope to see you next week at the = Territorial.. Jim ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul Jones=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:18 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:16:01 -0600 For reasons of health, I am beginning to liquidate my library. Part = of my collection is great to fair material relating to the French and = Indian War through the revolution. Can anyone recommend a dealer who = might either be interested in paying a fair price for the lot or the = better items therein, or even doing a deal on a split of the successful = sales? I most sincerely appreciate your time. Regards, Paul P.S. I also have an extensive fur trade library, trapping and = survival collection, fly tying and fishing volumes with many first = editions, etc. Any suggestions as to book dealers with that interest? ------=_NextPart_000_00E2_01C2C92C.90C5C7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Paul,
 
I don't know if they deal in books, but Collectors' Covey here in = Dallas=20 deals in outdoor art=85ie: bronzes, paintings, etc. You might give them = a try on=20 the good fishing books=85hope to see you next week at the = Territorial..
 
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Jones
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 = 1:18=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, = 31 Jan=20 2003 13:16:01 -0600

For reasons of health, I am beginning to liquidate my = library.  Part=20 of my collection is great to fair material relating to the French and = Indian=20 War through the revolution.  Can anyone recommend a dealer = who might=20 either be interested in paying a fair price for the lot or the better = items=20 therein, or even doing a deal on a split of the successful = sales?
 
I most sincerely appreciate your time.
 
Regards,
 
Paul
 
P.S.  I also have an extensive fur trade library, trapping = and=20 survival collection, fly tying and fishing volumes with many first = editions,=20 etc.  Any suggestions as to book dealers with that = interest?
=
 
------=_NextPart_000_00E2_01C2C92C.90C5C7A0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John McKee" Subject: MtMan-List: books...off topic Date: 31 Jan 2003 15:04:53 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C2C93A.1BEF50F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My lovely wife was re-arranging the bookcases the other day=20 and she found a couple of duplicates. Both are paperbacks in new condition: =20 1. Personal narrative of James O. Pattie edited by Richard Batman, Classics of the fur trade series, Mountain Press Publishing....list price: 14.00 2. Edward Warren by William Drummond Stewart also by=20 Mountain Press Publishing.... list price: 15.00 =20 I would like to get at least 7.00 per book. =20 Monies received will be donated to the AMM land Fund.=20 Anyone that is interested can contact me off list to arrange shipping. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C2C93A.1BEF50F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My lovely wife was re-arranging the bookcases the other day
and she found a couple of duplicates. Both are paperbacks
in new condition:
    
1. Personal narrative of James O. Pattie edited by Richard = Batman,
    Classics of the fur trade series,
    Mountain Press Publishing....list price: = 14.00
2. Edward Warren by William Drummond Stewart also by
    Mountain Press Publishing.... list price:=20 15.00
   
I would like to get at least 7.00 per book. 
Monies received will be donated to the AMM land Fund.
Anyone that is interested can contact me off list
to arrange shipping.
------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C2C93A.1BEF50F0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Kramer Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Date: 31 Jan 2003 17:17:24 -0800 Kevin, My name is John Kramer I hold the rank of Hiveranno in The American Mountain Men and serve as their Historian. Many years ago I enjoyed 14 days during the rainiest year Philmont had ever known, the following year I added palms to my Eagle. Now I've got a couple of nephews working on their Eagle that I hope get to enjoy Philmont someday. Are you intending full fur trade adventures or hike-on-thru camps like the old mine where for a day the Scouts would experience how to dig & pan for gold? There is a broad range of information and perhaps people available that can provide everything from how-to-build-a-fire, trap-a-beaver, or pack-a-mule, up to doctoral level history course. A large number of the AMM have been and/or are active in Scouting. Some have started fur trade specific Explorer Posts in the past. There are a lot questions I would need answered to know how best I could help; I would need to understand some of the parameters which you are working under and the end goal of the program. It might be more productive for you to forward a phone number and best times to call; I will call so you don't need to worry about how long we talk. I will help in any way I can with resources and contacts. John... At 08:19 PM 1/30/03, you wrote: >I am a backcountry manager at Philmont Scout Ranch in Cimarron, NM. >Philmont is currently developing new and more accurate living history >programs for many of its camps. Two of those camps are Fur Trade >interpretive. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or research >topics on this matter. > >Thanks, >Kevin > ========================================== John Adams, Second President of the United States: "You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator of the Universe." These rights are enshrined in our precious Bill of Rights. Without them we are essentially slaves - powerless property of the state. ============================================= ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amm1616@earthlink.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:16:01 -0600 Date: 31 Jan 2003 16:57:34 -0700 (MST) ------=_Part_5828_4584526.1044061057080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul, I would try Donna at Trails West. She specializes in western amerciana and would be a good place to start. I use her and i think some others on the list, like jim Hardee. Let me know if you need her telephone number. mike. Original message attached. ------=_Part_5828_4584526.1044061057080 Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; name=MESSAGE.HTML; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=MESSAGE.HTML
For reasons of health, I am beginning to liquidate my library.  Part of my collection is great to fair material relating to the French and Indian War through the revolution.  Can anyone recommend a dealer who might either be interested in paying a fair price for the lot or the better items therein, or even doing a deal on a split of the successful sales?
 
I most sincerely appreciate your time.
 
Regards,
 
Paul
 
P.S.  I also have an extensive fur trade library, trapping and survival collection, fly tying and fishing volumes with many first editions, etc.  Any suggestions as to book dealers with that interest?
 
------=_Part_5828_4584526.1044061057080-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: MtMan-List: Kevin's (no subject) Date: 31 Jan 2003 17:59:28 -0700 (MST) >I was just curious. Did everyone else receive Kevin's post without the MtMan-List prefix? And also without a subject? If so I bet a lot of them got deleted. I usually delete unknown post but just happen to open his. bb > I am a backcountry manager at Philmont Scout Ranch in Cimarron, NM. > Philmont is currently developing new and more accurate living history > programs for many of its camps. Two of those camps are Fur Trade > interpretive. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or research > topics on this matter. > > Thanks, > Kevin > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "kc16" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Kevin's (no subject) Date: 29 Jan 2003 17:33:41 -0800 Yes....same happened to me. Hmmm...I wonder how that happened? Blood ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 4:59 PM > >I was just curious. Did everyone else receive Kevin's post without the > MtMan-List prefix? And also without a subject? If so I bet a lot of them > got deleted. I usually delete unknown post but just happen to open his. > bb > > > > > I am a backcountry manager at Philmont Scout Ranch in Cimarron, NM. > > Philmont is currently developing new and more accurate living history > > programs for many of its camps. Two of those camps are Fur Trade > > interpretive. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or research > > topics on this matter. > > > > Thanks, > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Powell" Subject: MtMan-List: Attention: Kevin At Philmont Date: 01 Feb 2003 02:07:58 +0000

Kevin,

Please e-mail me off list!  Have I got a deal for you that may prove to be mutually advantageous.  amm1769@hotmail.com

Thanks,

Mike Powell 


AMM #1769
POISON RIVER PARTY
"Ride, Ride, Ride"
"Aux Aliments du Pays"!

Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: MtMan-List: Pecatonica Kits and .54 twists Date: 31 Jan 2003 19:12:05 -0700 (MST) Dear List, I sold my beaver pelts and did better than I expected thus I am able to move up in the world from fusee to rifle! Or at least move out in range. Does anyone have any comments concerning Pecatonica River flintlock rifle kits? Or any other high quality kits. I'm looking for a good .54 swamped barrel rifle kit. Pecatonica River looks pretty good to me. I've also heard that a 1-72" or 1-80" twist is the best for the .54 with heavy powder loads (100-120grs). Any comments about that? I'm a poor trapper so this will be my one and only flintlock rifle so I need to make the right choice. I appreciate your advice and knowledge and thank you in advance. beaverboy ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Powell" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Date: 01 Feb 2003 02:11:34 +0000

Kevin,

Likewise, I would love to help you out.

Mike Powell #AMM 1769




AMM #1769
POISON RIVER PARTY
"Ride, Ride, Ride"
"Aux Aliments du Pays"!
>From: John Kramer
>Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: MtMan-List: Re:
>Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:17:24 -0800
>
>Kevin,
>
>My name is John Kramer I hold the rank of Hiveranno in The American
>Mountain Men and serve as their Historian. Many years ago I enjoyed
>14 days during the rainiest year Philmont had ever known, the
>following year I added palms to my Eagle. Now I've got a couple of
>nephews working on their Eagle that I hope get to enjoy Philmont
>someday.
>
>Are you intending full fur trade adventures or hike-on-thru camps
>like the old mine where for a day the Scouts would experience how to
>dig & pan for gold? There is a broad range of information and
>perhaps people available that can provide everything from
>how-to-build-a-fire, trap-a-beaver, or pack-a-mule, up to doctoral
>level history course. A large number of the AMM have been and/or
>are active in Scouting. Some have started fur trade specific
>Explorer Posts in the past.
>
>There are a lot questions I would need answered to know how best I
>could help; I would need to understand some of the parameters which
>you are working under and the end goal of the program. It might be
>more productive for you to forward a phone number and best times to
>call; I will call so you don't need to worry about how long we talk.
> I will help in any way I can with resources and contacts.
>
>John...
>
>At 08:19 PM 1/30/03, you wrote:
>
>>I am a backcountry manager at Philmont Scout Ranch in Cimarron, NM.
>>Philmont is currently developing new and more accurate living
>>history programs for many of its camps. Two of those camps are Fur
>>Trade interpretive. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or
>>research topics on this matter.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Kevin
>>
>
>
>==========================================
>John Adams, Second President of the United States: "You have rights
>antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot be
>repealed or
>restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator
>of the
>Universe." These rights are enshrined in our precious Bill of
>Rights.
>Without them we are essentially slaves - powerless property of the
>state.
>=============================================
>
>
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>hist_text list info:
>http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html

Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:16:01 -0600 Date: 31 Jan 2003 22:49:52 EST --part1_39.333ea832.2b6c9de0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/2003 11:19:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, pwjones@myexcel.com writes: > volumes with many first editions, etc. Pablo, I have a buddy who collects 1st Editions of all types. Contact me offlist and I'll give you his info. Barney --part1_39.333ea832.2b6c9de0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/2003 11:19:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, pwjones@myexcel.com writes:


volumes with many first editions, etc.


Pablo, I have a buddy who collects 1st Editions of all types. Contact me offlist and I'll give you his info.   Barney --part1_39.333ea832.2b6c9de0_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Branson Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pecatonica Kits and .54 twists Date: 31 Jan 2003 20:03:38 -0800 (PST) --0-232686832-1044072218=:68606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii beaverboy@sofast.net wrote:Dear List, I sold my beaver pelts and did better than I expected thus I am able to move up in the world from fusee to rifle! Or at least move out in range. Does anyone have any comments concerning Pecatonica River flintlock rifle kits? Or any other high quality kits. I'm looking for a good .54 swamped barrel rifle kit. Pecatonica River looks pretty good to me. I've also heard that a 1-72" or 1-80" twist is the best for the .54 with heavy powder loads (100-120grs). Any comments about that? I'm a poor trapper so this will be my one and only flintlock rifle so I need to make the right choice. I appreciate your advice and knowledge and thank you in advance. beaverboy ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.htmlSir: I don't know what you want to spend. I will just talk quality. I would really seriously suggest you buy one of the Chambers rifle kits. Pecatonica usually uses a softer grade of red maple. Chambers kits are made from the best components money can buy : hard rock maple pre-turned stocks, siler or chambers locks, good brass hardware, Getz swamped barrels 42" long .54 cal, c-weight guns. They balance well when assembled. They come pre-shaped and partially inletted. If you are a little handy with tools you can turn it into a fine plain ky style rifle. You can make the lancaster kit look like the contract rifle of 1792. Those were all built in Lancaster county by several different top quality builders: Dickert, Gumpf, etc. The 1792 contract rifles also look very similiar to the type B late pattern lancaster english trade rifles. Many of these were in the western territories. I hope this helps you. I would also suggest you buy: William buchele's book re-creating the Penn. long rifle. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-232686832-1044072218=:68606 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

 

 beaverboy@sofast.net wrote:

Dear List,
I sold my beaver pelts and did better than I expected thus I am able
to move up in the world from fusee to rifle! Or at least move out in range.
Does anyone have any comments concerning Pecatonica River flintlock
rifle kits? Or any other high quality kits. I'm looking for a good .54
swamped barrel rifle kit. Pecatonica River looks pretty good to me.
I've also heard that a 1-72" or 1-80" twist is the best for the .54
with heavy powder loads (100-120grs). Any comments about that?
I'm a poor trapper so this will be my one and only flintlock rifle so
I need to make the right choice.
I appreciate your advice and knowledge and thank you in advance.
beaverboy



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Sir: I don't know what you want to spend. I will just talk quality. I would really seriously suggest you buy one of the Chambers rifle kits. Pecatonica usually uses a softer grade of red maple. Chambers kits are made from the best components money can buy : hard rock maple pre-turned stocks, siler or chambers locks, good brass hardware, Getz swamped barrels 42" long .54 cal, c-weight guns. They balance well when assembled. They come pre-shaped and partially inletted. If you are a little handy with tools you can turn it into a fine plain ky style rifle. You can make the lancaster kit  look like the contract rifle of 1792. Those were all built in Lancaster county by several different top quality builders: Dickert, Gumpf, etc. The 1792 contract rifles also look very similiar to the type B late pattern lancaster english trade rifles. Many of these were in the western territories. I hope this helps you. I would also suggest you buy: William buchele's book re-creating the Penn. long rifle.  


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