From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #29 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, February 25 1998 Volume 01 : Number 029 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:14:00 EST From: tedhart@juno.com (Ted A Hart) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Jerry's message on one horse travel What about the Natives? I'm thinking they use horses helluva alot more than the regular folks and also they did use one horse regularly but in battle they always tried to bring extra horses in case their horse got tired etc. Ted _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:01:27 -0600 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Jappaning At 06:36 AM 2/24/98 , David Tippets wrote: > > >Thanks for the insight on Jappaning -- how's about some more? > >A couple of years ago I discovered that the Fort Union Interpretive >Association has documented and is now offering for sale a small >personal-size cooking pot that is Jappaned tin. More recently, I 've >discovered documentation of Jappaned tin eyeglass cases. > >The Fort Union reproduction pot was priced at $80.00, last that I checked. > >According to your understanding of Jappaning: > > Could anyone today buy the appropriate shellac and paint it on tin to >achieve results equal to the Jappaned tin containers? I do not know of a source of asphaltum varnish. The last can I saw I bought, in SLC from an old paint shop, a very dirty last can on the backroom shelf. About 20 years ago. I've not tried it but, I suppose you could do a form of japanning with shellac heavily pigmented with lamp black. It would not be as tough a finish as the asphaltum, it would be easy to rework and redo. Might not take the metal flexing too well as shellac can be rather brittle, a touch of colophony, perhaps a tiny dash of linseed oil, might help keep it from flaking from the sides. If you try it I would suggest first cleaning the metal thoroughly. When dry rub with a fresh cut clove of garlic (to etch the metal and aid adhesion, also useful when gluing wood to metal, even with modern glue). Dry and then apply the shellac in multiple thin coats. > >Is protecting from rust the mail reason people used to Jappan tin? That and appearance. > >Is the Jappaned tin food safe if Jappaned on the inside of the container? I've not seen japanning on the inside of food containers, most often tin or tinned inside. Any finish could affect flavor and could react with acid &/or alkali foods. It depends on what a finish is made from whether or not it would be food safe. Most old finishes contained lead. Shellac is one notable exception and is food safe as is lamp black. Everybody has eaten some. Shellac is made from the exudations of insects on trees in the Orient. The twigs are gathered as "stick" lac and first processed with simple kettles and hand stretching by the gatherers at camp fires. The crudest form imported is called "button" lac which must still be filtered through cheese cloth before use to remove body hairs and bug parts. Five or six grades are available each step in the processing removing more of the waxes and resins to achieve a clearer color finish. As these things are removed beneficial properties for many uses are removed as well. Orange shellac is a good general purpose refinement. The refining continues until what is called "Super Blonde", "White", or "Clear" is produced. Most of the good stuff is gone by this point and most craft uses are with touchup coloration. The food service industry uses most of the clear shellac as "Confectioners Glaze" it's what they spray on candy to make it shiny, check your candy wrappers to be sure your getting all natural, pure, original -- bug poop. > >Thanks for any additional information you have about Jappaning! > If I find a little extra time maybe I'll hunt up a recipe or two. Haven't had much lately. John... Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer kramer@kramerize.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:35:01 -0600 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Jappaning At 04:16 PM 2/24/98 , RR1LA@aol.com wrote: >To the list- I thought I'd throw this food for thought into the fire...I have >also heard that Jappaning is a term used for the process of piercing tin, >brass or copper, commonly seen on lanterns. > I have not heard this reference to pierced work. > >I was told thats its purpose was >to allow light to be cast through the holes of the lantern body with the door >closed, prolonging the burning time of the candle. It allowed some light while shielding the flame from the wind. Inside a tent it helps break your shadow outline so you aren't such a good target for enemy snipers. Survives rough handling better than glass. When my eyes were better I used to read with one in camp. Many pie safe fronts, sconces and other tin, copper and brass works were decorated with pierced patterns. John... Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer kramer@kramerize.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:12:05 -0600 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Latex Paint Modern latex paint is cheap and easy.=A0 It has no period applications or similarities.=A0 Efficacy in any application is specious at best.  Latex paint contains mercury; an element more dangerous than lead.

The word latex was coined between 1655-65 and referenced any milky plant sap which coagulated on exposure to air.=A0 Such as poppy, euphorbia, India Rubber, poinsettia, and more.=A0

The term "Latex Paint" was coined in 1950-55.

The current chemical definition of latex is any solution of finely divided synthetic rubber or plastic particles emulsified in water.=A0=20

What was being used in the early 1800's as latex was most commonly India Rubber.=A0 I do not know of a source.=A0 Depending on usage it could reference some other plants vital bodily fluid. 

I can't think of any paint recipes off hand which include any of the latexes.  I'll keep an eye out, just in case.  I do remember several for "jacking" leather and for various adhesives and waterproofings.

I'd appreciate copies of any old recipes you encounter.  I've only got about 30,000 or so and I'm running low.

John...

Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
john kramer@kramerize.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:45:51 -0800 From: Frank Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hats... again Clearwater is making a Bridger style for me for around $60.00, not a bad price for the quality! MB At 04:03 PM 2/24/98 -0800, you wrote: >A while back, Charles Chalk was looking for a decent hat. Now I find >meself in the same boat, er... packtrain. I'm a searching for a low crown >(3 1/2 - 4"), 10x beaver, wide brim, etc. I never heard whether or not >Charles found one? > >I know a couple of folks did not reccomend Clearwater Hats, and one person >said JW Hats was a good place to look. I did call JW Hats, and was quoted >a price (custom made) at $330.00 (Ack!) Dixie carries a low quality one, >Jas Townsend carries about the same (wool felt), etc, etc.... > >Question is, has anyone located a source for non-custom, quality hats? > >And yes, I did check the email archives.... no help did I find there, >might of missed something though. > >Regards > >Lee Newbill >Viola, Idaho >email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu >Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder" Webpage >http://www.uidaho.edu/~lnewbill/bp.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:22:25 -0800 From: "JON P TOWNS" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hats... again This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD4172.AECD28C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I sure like my Clearwater Hat Jon T - ---------- : From: Lee Newbill : To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com : Subject: MtMan-List: Hats... again : Date: Tuesday, February 24, 1998 4:03 PM : : A while back, Charles Chalk was looking for a decent hat. Now I find : meself in the same boat, er... packtrain. I'm a searching for a low crown : (3 1/2 - 4"), 10x beaver, wide brim, etc. I never heard whether or not : Charles found one? : : I know a couple of folks did not reccomend Clearwater Hats, and one person : said JW Hats was a good place to look. I did call JW Hats, and was quoted : a price (custom made) at $330.00 (Ack!) Dixie carries a low quality one, : Jas Townsend carries about the same (wool felt), etc, etc.... : : Question is, has anyone located a source for non-custom, quality hats? : : And yes, I did check the email archives.... no help did I find there, : might of missed something though. : : Regards : : Lee Newbill : Viola, Idaho : email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu : Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder" Webpage : http://www.uidaho.edu/~lnewbill/bp.html - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD4172.AECD28C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I sure like my Clearwater Hat =   Jon T

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: From: Lee Newbill <lnewbill@uidaho.edu>
: To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
: Subject: MtMan-List: Hats... again
: Date: = Tuesday, February 24, 1998 4:03 PM
:
: A while back, Charles = Chalk was looking for a decent hat.  Now I find
: meself in the = same boat, er... packtrain.  I'm a searching for a low crown
: = (3 1/2 - 4"), 10x beaver, wide brim, etc.  I never heard = whether or not
: Charles found one?
:
: I know a couple of = folks did not reccomend Clearwater Hats, and one person
: said JW = Hats was a good place to look.  I did call JW Hats, and was = quoted
: a price (custom made) at $330.00 (Ack!)  Dixie carries = a low quality one,
: Jas Townsend carries about the same (wool felt), = etc, etc....
:
: Question is, has anyone located a source for = non-custom, quality hats?
:
: And yes, I did check the email = archives.... no help did I find there,
: might of missed something = though.
:
: Regards
:
: Lee Newbill
: Viola, Idaho
: = email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu
: Keeper of the "Buckskins & = Blackpowder" Webpage
: http://www.uidaho.edu/~lnewbill/bp.html

- ------=_NextPart_000_01BD4172.AECD28C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:39:08 -0800 From: Dave Parks Subject: MtMan-List: Re: The Last Beaver In a recent post, Rick asked how to catch the last of the beaver in the lake. Rick, the last few beaver are always the hardest to catch and the answer is pretty simple....they are the smartest or the most lucky ones! If this is a lake on private property where the owner wants them ALL removed, then just keep up the trapping 'til ya get 'em all. There are no real secrets to catching "smart beaver". You just keep setting in the best spots in the area they are working. Using the conibear 330 in in their runs is about the best choice. Number #4 leghold drowning sets in deep water is another choice, if they are coming in and out of a steep slid along the shoreline in deep enough water. If you can trap through the ice near their lodges out in the lake (in some States this is illegal) the use of 330's work great. This time of year, the beaver have more than food on their minds....and they get very territorial! Just keep at it and if you can't seem to catch 'em all....that's O.K. too, ya gotta leave a few for seed........... it's the right thing to do. Good Luck & Good Trapping! _M_ Manywounds W ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 03:05:13 -0600 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Jerry's message on one horse travel There is no question one horse travel teaches you to trim down your gear. An essential lesson of survival. Wandering on foot teaches much the same. To fully understand the compleat experience Two Squaws is right, you need to do a few hundred carefree miles with a couple of pack animals. It will be surprising what you learn. I invented a couple of dozen new swear words over a 13 hand appaloosa aptly named Lil' Devil. He inspired the sig file at the bottom. Both ways teach, the long trail with a pack string will certainly teach the most. A spare animal is handy on the long trail. Part of the time I was out I rode with Pawnee and The Walrus, between us we had 9 animals. Cuts a pretty wide swath in the modern world, sometimes poor bull for the stock. Duties were interchangeable among the animals but we each basically had a rider, a packer and a spare on the string. Fewer animals can easier find sufficient graze on an extended basis. Doesn't leave such a broad and easy trail for hostiles to track. John... "Never kick a horse in the ass with mocassins on." copyright 1980 john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 06:50:21 EST From: JFLEMYTH@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The perils of lists Very true, Dennis. However, I think I saw a spelling error in the... Okay, so I didn't. But I sure couldn't resist that one! Watch your top knots! John. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:35:06 -0800 From: "JON P TOWNS" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cow Horn This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD41AF.211BE380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On March 7 and 8th King Co fair grounds near Seattle WA a huge gun show, we have people come from as far Montana with their wares. Later Jon T - ---------- : From: tigrbo1 : To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com : Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cow Horn : Date: Monday, February 23, 1998 10:08 PM : : James Harvey wrote: : > : > Hello out there! : > : > Does anyone know where a person could procure some raw cow horns that would be of engravable quality and large enough to use as a powder horn? : > : >Thankyou, : >James Harvey : : Greetings James, : : Raw cow horn can be had from most any slaughter house, but you don't : want to go that route, trust me. I suggest you cruse the dealers tables : at the next couple rendezvous instead. Your family, friends and : neighbors will thank you for it. : : Best regards, : : Terry Smith - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD41AF.211BE380 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On March 7 and 8th King Co fair grounds = near Seattle WA a huge gun show,  we have people come from as far = Montana with their wares.  Later Jon T

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: = From: tigrbo1 <tigrbo1@ibm.net>
: To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cow Horn
: Date: = Monday, February 23, 1998 10:08 PM
:
: James Harvey wrote:
: = >
: > Hello out there!
: >
: > =         Does anyone know where a = person could procure some raw cow horns that would be of engravable = quality and large enough to use as a powder horn?
: >
: = >Thankyou,
: >James Harvey
:
: Greetings James,
: =
: Raw cow horn can be had from most any slaughter house, but you = don't
: want to go that route, trust me. I suggest you cruse the = dealers tables
: at the next couple rendezvous instead. Your family, = friends and
: neighbors will thank you for it.
:
: Best = regards,
:
: Terry Smith

- ------=_NextPart_000_01BD41AF.211BE380-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:48:10 +0000 From: Longtrail Subject: MtMan-List: Katona Enjoyed your letter about traveling with a string as opposed to one. Never done it but did take a few nurses out on a short weekend camping expidition once. I had gone up to the site the day before and set up the lodge and all the food and gear. (dont' pick on me for that one) I handled all the horses and did not get much sleep. The horses were ok but the nurses were up and clutching one another and screeching in fear at the slightest little sound! We were up in N. Idaho in bear country. I think I was the only one there who had ever even held a gun. I had a pump shotgun and a 41 ruger. It had to have been comical as hell every time during the night when I headed out of the lodge flap carrying my shotgun with several nurses training out behind me all hanging on to me and one another, to investigate, on their insistance, what must have in reality been a "woman-eating mouse or something. The horses were highlined and had hay and I am sure wondered why in the hell WE kept waking THEM up all night. It was a blast, I had a great time playing the mountain woman and protecter for a bunch of great friends and even greater greenies. Longtrail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:14:46 -0500 From: Ron Valley Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Canvas Canoe Scott writes: ---------- From: Scott Allen[SMTP:allen@blueridge-ef.SAIC.COM] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 1998 3:23 PM To: hist_text Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas Canoe Well Ron, First of all, anyone who is has been on this list any length of time knows I don't just spout B.S. I rarely speak up and don't at all if I can only speculate or don't know for sure about the subject matter. I do things right and research everything before using it. If I can't document it, I don't use it! Latex was discovered early in the 18th century and incorporated into paint in 1741 (ref: The Peoples Chronology). It was also used on ships to waterproof "sheeting". I assume this was without paint because it does not mention any pigment. The hard vulcanized rubber wasn't developed until 1839, by Charles Goodyear. I've already cited other references and will provide more as soon as I can find them again. Your most humble servant, Scott Allen Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick Fairplay, MD http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT >>>>>>> Good for you, Scott, I never for a heartbeat thought otherwise. I meant no offense... and I am sorry that you took it that way. Like you, I rarely speak up, and I also research my gear. It wasn't until some time after you posted your note and I responded to it that any sort of reference was presented/received. At the time I wrote my reply, I envisioned scores of people buying 'picnic table red latex stain to paint their poles and canvas with and stating that "it was used 100 years before 1840. I know because I read it on the web". You know as well as I Scott, that it will be used by someone without that person doing any further research on the subject. Regardless, I stand beside my 3rd question/point, and personally need to know whether the latex we buy in a paint can today is the same term, has the same meaning and is the same (or very closely the same) product that was applied to the term latex that was known in 1741, 1800 or 1840....personally I doubt it, but I've been wrong before! OR, does the term fall into the same bucket as flannel and a large host of other terms that have a totally different meaning today as it did then? Likewise, with reference to my question/point #4; I asked (in what I had hoped to be a somewhat tongue in cheek way) whether latex was widely available for use in the Rockies, and was it commonly used? I believe both of those questions to be valid and important given my personal goals and what it is I'm striving to accomplish. Until I can research and answer those questions, latex paint isn't right for ME. I don't have the definitive answer to those questions as yet, Scott, do you? I remain, your Brother. Ron Valley #1353 White Mountain Party New Hampshire ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:07:46 -0500 From: Elizabeth Pidgeon <75057.1341@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hats... again Greetings I just put a period linning in a hat for a fella that seams to fit the bill. I payed $350 for my hat like that and kant see where its much better. I don't remember the X desegnation but its all a scam anyway , nice hat for the bucks. It came fron river juntion trading company and cost about $100 don't write back for address as I don't have it they advertize in many magizines and have a web sight. Carl Ontis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:45:16 -0700 From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Clothes "David Tippets" wrote : >What! Never heard of tent floors, and I thought you had Thompson's journals >memorized. Nope, sorry to say that I haven't read as much Thompson as I would like. >Not only did they have a tent floor, the floor was heavy stiff leather -- so >stiff they broke their sewing needles on it before they surrendered to >punching holes with an awl. Once they got those pants on, they must of >walked like the tin man with diaper rash. You better go back to your >Thompson, you missed one of the good parts I was puzzled because I've got lots of descriptions of tents which mention bough beds, or pine branches or grass strewn throughout, but no floors. Are you sure you're not thinking of the following from Peter Fidler's 1791 Journal? Dec. 13, 1791 : "I returned & tore my old Cotton trousers all to pieces that I threw them away as past all repair also my Drawers [long underwear--A.] became quite useless thro' Long wear Wrap a Blanket about me like a womans Petticoat to protect me from the cold..." Dec. 15, 1791 : "on account of the very wretched condition I am in for want of Trousers (having nothing of the Kind) the [Chipewyan] man I am with cut a skin out of the Bottom of his Tent to make a pair of the Trousers & upon work at them Clear & very sharp weather." "1791 Dec 16 Friday. Finished making my Leather Trousers which is a very great acquisition to me broke all my needles in making them the leather being so stiff 7 hard & went to work in the Indian manner with an awl & Sinnews before I completed them having at first only 4 needles." (J. B. Tyrrell, _Journals of Hearne & Turnor_, 530-531) Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:39:24 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hats... again Frank wrote: > Clearwater is making a Bridger style for me for around $60.00, not a bad > price for the quality! Jon T wrote: > I sure like my Clearwater Hat Carl Ontis wrote: > river juntion trading company (good hat for the money) Appreciate the info! I'll check into Clearwater and see if'n I can locate the River Junction Company Regards Lee Newbill Viola, Idaho email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder" Webpage http://www.uidaho.edu/~lnewbill/bp.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:04:08 -1000 From: Blue Rider Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Katona > I handled all the horses and did not get much sleep. The horses > were > ok but the nurses were up and clutching one another and screeching in > fear at the slightest little sound! We were up in N. Idaho in bear > country. I think I was the only one there who had ever even held a > gun. I had a pump shotgun and a 41 ruger. It had to have been > comical > as hell every time during the night when I headed out of the lodge > flap > carrying my shotgun with several nurses training out behind me all > hanging on to me and one another, to investigate, on their insistance, > > what must have in reality been a "woman-eating mouse or something. > The > horses were highlined and had hay and I am sure wondered why in the > hell > WE kept waking THEM up all night. > It was a blast, I had a great time playing the mountain woman and > protecter for a bunch of great friends and even greater greenies. > Longtrail Longtrail, Every time I manage to stop laughing about this story, I get a sudden picture of you stalking fearlessly out the tent flap with many pale faces and BIIIIIG eyes peering over your shoulder and start laughing all over again. And the poor horses! A good story well told. Thanks. Blue :-D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:22:51 -0600 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I am reposting this in plain text as some mail readers can't deal with the "styled" text in Eudora 4.0. I am coming to believe there is a serious mail transfer issue between Eudora 4.0 and the mail reader in IE 4.0?. Somebody will have to let me know if my messages come through blank, they look fine when they bounce back to me. Then again maybe no one cares. Modern latex paint is cheap and easy. It has no period applications or similarities. Efficacy in any application is specious at best. Latex paint contains mercury; an element more dangerous than lead. The word latex was coined between 1655-65 and referenced any milky plant sap which coagulated on exposure to air. Such as poppy, euphorbia, India Rubber, poinsettia, and more. The term "Latex Paint" was coined in 1950-55. The current chemical definition of latex is any solution of finely divided synthetic rubber or plastic particles emulsified in water. What was being used in the early 1800's as latex was most commonly India Rubber. I do not know of a source. Depending on usage it could reference some other plants vital bodily fluid. I can't think of any paint recipes off hand which include any of the latexes. I'll keep an eye out, just in case. I do remember several for "jacking" leather and for various adhesives and waterproofings. I'd appreciate copies of any old recipes you encounter. I've only got about 30,000 or so and I'm running low. John... Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. john kramer@kramerize.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:15:17 +0000 From: Longtrail Subject: MtMan-List: sorry Didn't mean to put my letter to Katona on this site. I realize it did not belong here. Longtrail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:55:23 EST From: Mtnman1449@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hats... again Ive been wearing a clearwater hat i got at amm n ationals about 5 years ago with no problem. pat surrena #1449 ------------------------------ Date: 25 Feb 98 18:58:48 +0000 From: Phyllis and Don Keas Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hats... again. - --====49495348505455515256===1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've bought 3 or 4 hats from Clearwater and never had any trouble from = them. Can't remember what the complaints were, but they are about the = only ones I know that make good quality hats for a decent price. Don Keas JON P TOWNS wrote: >I sure like my Clearwater Hat =A0=A0Jon T > >---------- >: From: Lee Newbill >: To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >: Subject: MtMan-List: Hats... again >: Date: Tuesday, February 24, 1998 4:03 PM >: >: A while back, Charles Chalk was looking for a decent hat. =A0Now I find >: meself in the same boat, er... packtrain. =A0I'm a searching for a low = crown >: (3 1/2 - 4"), 10x beaver, wide brim, etc. =A0I never heard whether or = not >: Charles found one? >: >: I know a couple of folks did not reccomend Clearwater Hats, and one = person >: said JW Hats was a good place to look. =A0I did call JW Hats, and was = quoted >: a price (custom made) at $330.00 (Ack!) =A0Dixie carries a low quality o= ne, >: Jas Townsend carries about the same (wool felt), etc, etc.... >: >: Question is, has anyone located a source for non-custom, quality hats? >: >: And yes, I did check the email archives.... no help did I find there, >: might of missed something though. >: >: Regards >: >: Lee Newbill >: Viola, Idaho >: email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu >: Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder" Webpage >: http://www.uidaho.edu/~lnewbill/bp.html > >RFC822 header >----------------------------------- > >Received: from lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7] by mail.market1.com > (SMTPD32-4.03) id A983573019A; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:32:19 MST >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.73 #4) > id 0y7iho-0006i3-00; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:25:08 -0700 >Received: from xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2] (drudy) > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #4) > id 0y7ihk-0006hQ-00; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:25:04 -0700 >Received: (from drudy@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.7/8.7.5) = id = >IAA08124 for hist_text@lists.xmission.com; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:25:03 -= 0700 (MST) >Received: from mail1y-int.prodigy.net [198.83.19.113] = > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #4) > id 0y7aJM-00058C-00; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:27:20 -0700 >Received: from default (port199.slvd.prodigy.net [204.237.203.199]) > by mail1y-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA07986 > for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 01:24:27 -0500 >Message-Id: <199802250624.BAA07986@mail1y-int.prodigy.net> >From: "JON P TOWNS" >To: >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hats... again >Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:22:25 -0800 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Priority: 3 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; = >boundary=3D"----=3D_NextPart_000_01BD4172.AECD28C0" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >X-UIDL: 881270279 >Status: U > - --====49495348505455515256===1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= BR> I've = bought 3 or 4 hats from Clearwater and never = had any trouble from them. Can't remember = what the complaints were, but they are about = the only ones I know that make good quality = hats for a decent price. Don Keas

JON P TOWNS wrote:
>I sure like my = Clearwater Hat   Jon T
>
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>: = From: Lee Newbill <lnewbill@uidaho.edu>
>: To: hist_text@lists.xmission.= com
>: Subject: MtMan-List: = Hats... again
>: Date: Tuesday, February = 24, 1998 4:03 PM
>:
>: A while = back, Charles Chalk was looking for a decent = hat.  Now I find
>: meself in = the same boat, er... packtrain.  I'm = a searching for a low crown
>: (3 1/2 = - - 4"), 10x beaver, wide brim, etc. =  I never heard whether or not
>: = Charles found one?
>:
>: I know = a couple of folks did not reccomend Clearwater = Hats, and one person
>: said JW Hats = was a good place to look.  I did call = JW Hats, and was quoted
>: a price = (custom made) at $330.00 (Ack!)  Dixie = carries a low quality one,
>: Jas Townsend = carries about the same (wool felt), etc, = etc....
>:
>: Question is, has = anyone located a source for non-custom, = quality hats?
>:
>: And yes, I = did check the email archives.... no help = did I find there,
>: might of missed = something though.
>:
>: Regards
>:
>: = Lee Newbill
>: Viola, Idaho
>: = email at = lnewbill@uidaho.edu
>: Keeper of the = "Buckskins & Blackpowder" = Webpage
>: = http://www.uidaho.edu/~lnewbill/bp.html
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