From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #67 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, May 14 1998 Volume 01 : Number 067 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:37:30 -0400 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Adhesives Hi, Did you know that Knox unflavored Gelatin is just fancy hide glue???? Think of that next time you dig into your Jello!! Dennis Miles AMM#1622 Double Edge Forge Sickler, Louis L wrote: > Ho the List: > > In response to John Fleming's inquiry about animal hide glue, I found a > commercial source that might be of interest to those unable / not willing to > make their own. It is > > Moscow Hide & Fur > 208-882-0601 > www.hideandfur.com > > They sell 5 oz bags for $6.00 each, with instructions for use. > > I haven't tried it, but my order goes in today. > > YMHOS, > Red Coyote ------------------------------ Date: 12 May 98 19:11:04 +0000 From: Phyllis and Don Keas Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Bug's Boys,, Small disagreement - Bugs Boys was from the term the Devil's Sons. Can't remember where I read it, a long time ago. DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS --- PROPRIETORS OF THE NADA TRADING COMPANY Nauga Mok wrote: >In a message dated 98-05-11 14:57:22 EDT, you write: > ><< "Crows??" "Bugs Boys?" > >Nope -- Blackfoot. > >< What's that all about. Never heard of 'em. >> > >Supposedly either Hudson Bay or Northwest was paying the Blackfoot to raid, >pillage, & generaly harass the American trading companies & free trappers in >the northern Rockies. The main thought behind this was the U.S. claim on this >territory wasn't realy secure & if it could be brought under the control of >H.B. or NW, it gave England a better chance to shift the Canadian border >farther South. One of the "big wigs" in either H.B. or NW was nicknamed >"Bugs" -- hence "Bug's Boys" in reference to the Blackfoot tribes. Not sure >if this aledged practice was in fact being carried on, but the term has >somehow stuck. Then again, it coulda come from some writer's imagination, >'cuz I've never seen it used in a first hand account. > >NM > > > >RFC822 header >----------------------------------- > >Received: from lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7] by mail.market1.com > (SMTPD32-4.03) id A8602EB0108; Tue, 12 May 1998 08:10:40 MST >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yZFeT-0004xh-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 08:03:29 -0600 >Received: from (xmission.xmission.com) [198.60.22.2] (drudy) > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yZFeR-0004xK-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 08:03:27 -0600 >Received: (from drudy@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.8/8.7.5) id >IAA11162 for hist_text@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 12 May 1998 08:03:25 - -0600 (MDT) >Received: from (imo28.mx.aol.com) [198.81.17.72] > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yZ6tD-0004uo-00; Mon, 11 May 1998 22:42:07 -0600 >Received: from NaugaMok@aol.com > by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id ICEIa25488 > for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:41:01 -0400 (EDT) >From: Nauga Mok >Message-ID: >Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:41:01 EDT >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: MtMan-List: Bug's Boys >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 >Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >X-UIDL: 891663313 >Status: U > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:15:44 -0600 From: Dean Rudy Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Bug's Boys,, At 07:11 PM 5/12/98 +0000, Don Keas wrote: >Small disagreement - Bugs Boys was from the term the Devil's Sons. Can't >remember where I read it, a long time ago. > >From "River of the West" - Joe Meek's story as told to Frances Fuller Victor: "The Blackfeet were the tribe most dreaded in the Rocky Mountains, and went by the name of " Bugs Boys," which rendered into good English, meant "the devil's own."" - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dean Rudy AMM#1530 Email: drudy@xmission.com Park City, Utah WWW: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/amm.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 07:25:42 -0500 From: "Scott Allen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Adhesives You wrote: Did you know that Knox unflavored Gelatin is just fancy hide glue???? Dennis, How would you prepare the Knox for using it as glue? Your most humble servant, Scott Allen Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick Fairplay, MD http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 05:25:40 -0700 From: Dale Nelson Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bug's Boys Nauga Mok wrote: > > One of the "big wigs" in either H.B. or NW was nicknamed > "Bugs" -- hence "Bug's Boys" in reference to the Blackfoot tribes. Bugs Boys is short for Belzebub or Beezelbub's boys -- I can't remember the spelling -- it stands for Satan or the Devil and comes from the Bible. Bernard DeVoto in "Across the Wide Missouri." Dale Nelson dnelson@wizzards.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:26:16 -0400 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Adhesives Scott, Heat a small amount of water to boiling and add the gelitan until the desired consistancy is aquired. Careful, too much and you will quickly have a unuseable gelatinious glob. I have used it in a somewhat thin mixture to seal & set sinew. When it dries it is rock hard. In a thick solution, it will dry to the cosistancy of hard rubber. Remember, it is water resistant, NOT waterproof. I now just use hide glue in my knives that I make, mainly because while I am boiling it, people stay out of my shop and leave me alone. Dennis Scott Allen wrote: > You wrote: > Did you know that Knox unflavored Gelatin is just fancy hide > glue???? > > Dennis, > > How would you prepare the Knox for using it as glue? > > Your most humble servant, > Scott Allen > Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick > Fairplay, MD > http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:07:04 -0600 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Adhesives Scott, I have used Knox for glue and for film and stage makeup. By varying the amount of hot water you can have a varitey of consistancies. I use more hot water than Knox for a light glue. Mixing a small amount of hot water with a pkg of gelentin and adding red, blue and yellow food coloring makes for some great stage makeup Joe Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Write for custom tanning prices We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and hair on robes Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:39:20 -0600 From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: MtMan-List: Beaver Club Just got my copy of Muzzleloader today, and I have to say that Jim Hardee did a fine job with article on the Beaver Club, a Montreal-based organization of retired wintering partners from the North West Company. As usual, I have to add my two cents. A year ago, three of us had the opportunity to see some real Beaver Club medals. The real ones (called 'jewels') are significantly different from the reproductions. They are engraved on gold, rather than molded from brass. The royal blue ribbon is the same, but there is no bar on the top like that on the reproduction medals. (My husband suspects they were simply pinned on with a straight pin, like some military medals.) There are five or possibly six surviving Beaver Club medals. The David David medal is, I assume, in private hands, but the others are in museums. The McCord Museum in Montreal holds the medals of James McGill and Nicholas Montour, but the best place to go is Calgary's Glenbow Museum (aka Glenbow-Alberta Institute). They have, IIRC, three of them: William McGillivray's (accession no. R292.2.11), Ignace Giasson's (accession no. R292.2.11), and I seem to recall that a third medal came out, to our surprise, along with the other two. Unfortunately, my notes on this aren't close to hand. Giasson's is in absolutely pristine condition--the curators told us that the story is he only went to one meeting! McGillivray's, not surprisingly, is fairly worn. These medals are not on public display at the Glenbow, but, once we discovered they existed, we had relatively little difficulty getting to see them (knowing the accession numbers helped!). Some other prominent fur traders who belonged to the Beaver Club were Patrick Small (father-in-law to David Thompson and John Macdonald of Garth, and partner to Peter Pond, IIRC); Sir Alexander Mackenze (leader of the first expedition to reach the Pacific by land, in 1793); also Charles Chaboillez Sr., Peter Pangman, Pierre Rastel de Rocheblave, and Cuthbert Grant Sr. I believe George Simpson was given a special honorary membership and medal after 1821. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:39:35 -0700 From: Frank Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bug's Boys "Belzebub" means lord of the flys! Medicine Bear Dale Nelson wrote: > Nauga Mok wrote: > > > > One of the "big wigs" in either H.B. or NW was nicknamed > > "Bugs" -- hence "Bug's Boys" in reference to the Blackfoot tribes. > > Bugs Boys is short for Belzebub or Beezelbub's boys -- I can't remember > the spelling -- it stands for Satan or the Devil and comes from the > Bible. Bernard DeVoto in "Across the Wide Missouri." > Dale Nelson dnelson@wizzards.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:33:16 -0500 From: jack-scratch@juno.com (Richard D Heyen) Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Adhesives Horse Hide. Prime ingredient for centuries. Fraid I don't know the details. Drew Heyen jack-scratch@juno.com Phone-(713) 807-8711 On Sun, 10 May 1998 20:39:38 EDT JFLEMYTH writes: >Hello the net! > >Sorry, but I am bringing out another question here. It seems I have a >real >talent to get some almost too lively discussion going on the list, but >I think >I'm safe this time. > >My wife teaches school, and is always trying to do projects based on >18th and >19th century tools and technology. Does any body have any old >recepies for >adhesives or know some prime ingredients used in them? She has >recepies for >making soaps, dies, and other things, but not glues. > >Any imput would be appreciated. (Even things that are not totally >period >correct may help with simple projects for children.) Again, thanks >for all >this list teaches all us pilgrims! > >John Fleming > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:51:03 EDT From: MCKEE N H Subject: MtMan-List: Flint and steel I would like a copy of the flint striker article. Thanks Neil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:09:54 -0700 From: Dale Nelson Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bug's Boys Frank wrote: > > "Belzebub" means lord of the flys! King James Version of the Bible: Matthew 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by BEELZEBUB the prince of the devils. Luke 11:15 But some of them said, He casteth out devils through BEELZEBUB the chief of the devils. I have 5 more verses if you are interested. Again, according to Bernard DeVoto, historian emeritis, in the book "Across the Wide Missouri" -- "Bugs Boys is derived from BEELZEBUB." "Lord of the Flies" -- you've got to be kidding, remember Saturday morning cartoons aren't history. Dale Nelson dnelson@wizzards.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:55:15 -0600 (MDT) From: Dean Rudy Subject: MtMan-List: Ruxton The latest addition to the "Mountain Men and the Fur Trade" web site is the complete text of George Frederick Ruxton's "Wild Life in the Rocky Mountains" http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/html/ruxton.html Ruxton was an English traveller who undertook a journey from Mexico north into what is now the western US. In 1846, he proceeded from El Paso to Santa Fe, then Taos, and Bent's Fort. He spent the winter with trappers near Bayou Salade, and the next spring took the Santa Fe trail back to St Louis and England. He wrote two books related to this trip - one, "Life in the Far West" is a novel based on the stories the trappers related to him. The other is a factual narrative of his travels. It has often been published in two volumes - one covering his time in old Mexico, the other his Rocky Mountain experiences. The edition now on-line covers the Rocky Mountain portion of his journey, and includes his interactions with the trappers in New Mexico and Colorado. It is a useful source for the history of the "mountain men" in that region in the mid 1840's. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:40:27 -0600 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: MtMan-List: shooting targets Our local club is looking for novelty paper targets. You know the type that have V's, wasps, ground hog, bottles, etc. Is there a web site? I have quite a few but are always looking for more. I can photo copy mine and trade. Thanks Joe By the way, we are finishing quite a few buffalo robes. Full hides and halves if anyone is interested. Lots of deer and elk rawhide completed also. Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Write for custom tanning prices We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and hair on robes Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:27:36 EDT From: DFalat Subject: MtMan-List: 1803 Harper's Ferry Rifle How can I learn more about the 1803 Harper's Ferry rifle that was issued to the Lews and Clark expedition? I am an 1812 reenactor who is very much interested in learning all I can about this rifle. Thanks DFalat@aol.com ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #67 ****************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. 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