From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1034 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, May 17 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1034 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Need Your Expertise -       MtMan-List: scout canoe trip -       Re: MtMan-List: scout canoe trip -       Re: MtMan-List: scout canoe trip -       Re: MtMan-List: Need Your Expertise -       Re: MtMan-List: Announcement -       Re: MtMan-List: Hudson Bay blankets -       Re: MtMan-List: Need Your Expertise -       Re: MtMan-List: Need Your Expertise -       MtMan-List: flint was expertise -       MtMan-List: FW: AMM-List: Virus -       Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise -       MtMan-List: virus -       Re: MtMan-List: virus -       Re: MtMan-List: virus -       MtMan-List: Correct Term for Artillery Igniter (Amer.Rev.) -       Re: MtMan-List: virus -       Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise -       Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise -       Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise -       Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise -       Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise -       Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise -       Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise -       Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 22:09:49 +1200 From: Duncan Macready Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need Your Expertise Charges of powder are measured with either a charger, or simply a measure .Chargers were often sub measures with several charger's full being used for a maximum load, New rifles often came with a charger supplied by the maker Horace Kephart when shooting the famous Hawken he purchased new from W Albright used a measure which held 41gr if FFFg and he tested a 41gr, 82gr,123gr,164gr, and 205 gr load in the rifle . Ned Roberts states on page 313 of "The Muzzle Loading Caplock Rifle " that for ordinary shooting the customary charge was half the weight of the ball, for a .53 cal rifle this was about 108 grains A linstock is the stick used to hold a slow match, it was sometimes called a lintstock but Linstock is more usual Dunc Auckland, New Zealand - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:33:04 -0600 From: Joe Brandl Subject: MtMan-List: scout canoe trip Thanks to windwalker for reply to assisting us on canoe trip. I was wondering if anyone in the area of Livington, Big Timber, Gardiner knows about the campgrounds along the Yellowstone. Which are better to camp at? We are leaving on July 7th and will canoe for 7-8 days and end up at Columbus MT. Any assistance would be great. thanks in advance joe - -- Please visit our web site @ www.absarokawesterndesign.com Call us for spring discounts on hair on deer and elk skins Great selection of elk and buffalo rawhide in stock - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:51:30 -0600 From: "Gene Hickman" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: scout canoe trip Joe, One thing to be aware of are low water conditions in Montana. We are entering our 5th year of record drought. Right now there is concern about baddle fish movements and spawning in the Yellowstone River due to low water. See the FWP web site (http://fwp.state.mt.us/news/default.asp?com=show&edition=5%2F3%2F2002&story =Paddlefish+Anglers+Face+Low+Flowing+Yellowstone) on the paddlefish situation. You'll also find an article about record low water in the Smith River (http://fwp.state.mt.us/news/default.asp?com=show&edition=5%2F3%2F2002&story =Smith+River+Low+Water+Prompts+Warnings) which has it almost unfloatable right now. Try BLM for river maps with campgrounds on them. Good Luck. Gene Hickman - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Brandl" To: Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 8:33 AM Subject: MtMan-List: scout canoe trip > Thanks to windwalker for reply to assisting us on canoe trip. I was > wondering if anyone in the area of Livington, Big Timber, Gardiner > knows about the campgrounds along the Yellowstone. Which are better > to camp at? We are leaving on July 7th and will canoe for 7-8 days > and end up at Columbus MT. Any assistance would be great. > thanks in advance > joe > -- > Please visit our web site @ www.absarokawesterndesign.com > Call us for spring discounts on hair on deer and elk skins > Great selection of elk and buffalo rawhide in stock > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:18:39 -0400 From: "WindWalker" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: scout canoe trip Joe Write me off list. I have vacant property 3 miles outside Gardiner.... hard to get to though.. might be suitable for your camp. Other wise can tell you more.. Anywhere around the Northgate is going to be full of people. Livingston or Jardine would be better area.. Windwalker *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/16/02 at 8:33 AM Joe Brandl wrote: >Thanks to windwalker for reply to assisting us on canoe trip. I was >wondering if anyone in the area of Livington, Big Timber, Gardiner >knows about the campgrounds along the Yellowstone. Which are better >to camp at? We are leaving on July 7th and will canoe for 7-8 days >and end up at Columbus MT. Any assistance would be great. >thanks in advance >joe >-- >Please visit our web site @ www.absarokawesterndesign.com >Call us for spring discounts on hair on deer and elk skins >Great selection of elk and buffalo rawhide in stock > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:04:49 -0500 From: "Glenn Darilek" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need Your Expertise Sounds like you read a lot about Glass and his contemporaries and came up short on these details. With all my reading of the journals, etc., I also can't recall any mention of powder measure units, powder charges, and fatal loads. Although these are very popular topics now days, because they were not mentioned, they may not have been of much concern back then. So do you think you should avoid such modern concerns to make your novel more realistic for the time. Naw - marketing dictates that you pander to the masses, not to realism. Glenn Darilek Iron Burner >First, what term was used for powder measures in 1823? I've seen = >references to "grains." Something else? =20 >Second, what would have been considered a large powder charge -- enough = >say, to kill a buffalo? >Third, does anyone know the correct term for the long stick, threaded by = >a saltpeter-soaked, burning rope, used to ignite goose-quill primers on = >cannons in the pre-friction primer era? =20 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:40:50 -0500 From: jdearing Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Announcement At 09:44 PM 5/8/02 -0400, you wrote: >Here is something a few might be interested in,,,, >Be a good time for a get together in St Charles and Defiance. D. Boones >last home and place of death >Windwalker >WANTED > >20 quality Buckskinners to demonstrate skills and interact with the Public > That sounds like it might be a good time, as well as an opportunity to teach the public about our sport and the truth about firearms. I wonder if firelocks will be allowed? Never know about the St.Louis crowd. I do 1760's Eastern Colonial, so this is right up my alley. J.D. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:04:00 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hudson Bay blankets In a message dated 5/14/02 10:42:12 PM, vapate@juno.com writes: << That explains why he looks up to you so much and all. >> Oh brother...... Victoria, you know I gotta camp with this guy???!? I finally get him to where he's fun to be with and now you make him BOOSHWAY! Two years work gone...wiped out with a word.........aaaaaargh! Ymos, Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 16:17:09 -0600 (MDT) From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need Your Expertise > Mike, Keep in mind that experienced hunters could also tell a good load by what it looked liked in their cupped palm. In the heat of a fight with Indians or trying to finish off wounded game that is making a desperate attempt to escape seconds can be saved by pouring powder into the palm and then into the barrel. It works great. I've done this many times with my fusee. They could keep several balls in their mouth, pour powder into there palm till it looked just right or maybe even more for a long shot, pour it down, spit in a ball and ram it all down with a green leaf or broadleaf weed plucked on the spot to top it off and keep it down the barrel. It works just fine and is very quick. I've also primed with 2f powder many times that saves seconds as well. Of course you know to never pour powder directly from the horn into the barrel. This is a big no no. I'm willing to bet a lot of balls flew out of barrels without wadding or the wadding stuffed on top to hold it in place. These boys were in a hurry! Not at a range. Here's another one for your novel. Those guys made there own flints. I've knapped my own gun flints for years out of Knife River Flint I've gotten from my North Dakota buddies. Its the best flint in the world!! They used rocks they picked up off the prairie or traded for. Its better than store bought English flint in my humble opinion. Good luck on your book. Beaverboy of work on a novel, "The Revenant," > about the trapper Hugh Glass. Those of you who know Glass's story > (mauled by a grizzley; abandoned and robbed by two men left to care for > him; launches an epic journey of revenge) know there are a lot of gaps > in the recorded history. I've learned a lot through membership on this > list over the past year, and figured there must be someone out there > who could answer the following: > term was used for powder measures in 1823? I've seen > references to "grains." Something else? > > Second, what would have been considered a large powder charge -- enough > say, to kill a buffalo? > > Third, does anyone know the correct term for the long stick, threaded > by a saltpeter-soaked, burning rope, used to ignite goose-quill primers > on cannons in the pre-friction primer era? > > Thanks in advance. > > YMOS, > Michael Punke - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 17:47:50 -0400 From: "WindWalker" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need Your Expertise In the heat of battle, one pours from horn.... and guesses... Same as firefight in Asia.. you pay no mind to clips.. so ya duct tape clips back to back flip em. when empty Windwalker *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/16/02 at 4:17 PM beaverboy@sofast.net wrote: >> Mike, > Keep in mind that experienced hunters could also tell a good load by >what it looked liked in their cupped palm. In the heat of a fight with >Indians or trying to finish off wounded game that is making a desperate >attempt to escape seconds can be saved by pouring powder into the palm and >then into the barrel. It works great. I've done this many times with my >fusee. They could keep several balls in their mouth, pour powder into >there palm till it looked just right or maybe even more for a long shot, >pour it down, spit in a ball and ram it all down with a green leaf or >broadleaf weed plucked on the spot to top it off and keep it down the >barrel. It works just fine and is very quick. I've also primed with 2f >powder many times that saves seconds as well. > Of course you know to never pour powder directly from the horn into >the barrel. This is a big no no. > I'm willing to bet a lot of balls flew out of barrels without wadding >or the wadding stuffed on top to hold it in place. These boys were in a >hurry! Not at a range. > Here's another one for your novel. Those guys made there own flints. >I've knapped my own gun flints for years out of Knife River Flint I've >gotten from my North Dakota buddies. Its the best flint in the world!! >They used rocks they picked up off the prairie or traded for. Its better >than store bought English flint in my humble opinion. > Good luck on your book. > Beaverboy > >of work on a novel, "The Revenant," >> about the trapper Hugh Glass. Those of you who know Glass's story >> (mauled by a grizzley; abandoned and robbed by two men left to care for >> him; launches an epic journey of revenge) know there are a lot of gaps >> in the recorded history. I've learned a lot through membership on this >> list over the past year, and figured there must be someone out there >> who could answer the following: >> term was used for powder measures in 1823? I've seen >> references to "grains." Something else? >> >> Second, what would have been considered a large powder charge -- enough >> say, to kill a buffalo? >> >> Third, does anyone know the correct term for the long stick, threaded >> by a saltpeter-soaked, burning rope, used to ignite goose-quill primers >> on cannons in the pre-friction primer era? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> YMOS, >> Michael Punke > > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 18:49:36 -0500 From: "Frank" Subject: MtMan-List: flint was expertise Whoa there Beaverboy Ye gotta be wrong. Ye said, According to TOF there is no flint in the U.S. And if he sez it, it must be fact. Ask him. 'Course, that being the case, I'm awfully confused. Got stuff here in the Arkansas Ozarks that cuts my truck tires sumptin' awful, makes good sparkers, works like flint, looks like flint. Dunno wat it is. :-) Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 17:41:14 -0700 From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: MtMan-List: FW: AMM-List: Virus
 
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I got hit with a virus as soon as I logged on.  I didn't open anything, Norton caught it, but apparently it got in ...as Pat Q already contacted me.  I hadn't sent Pat anything recently (on purpose anyway) .  The offending email was from "tvenden" and was subject Language.  If this hits anyone else through me, I'm sorry...but I didn't do anything other than log on.   Randy
 
--- Randal Bublitz
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--- Randal Bublitz
we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers,
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-------------------- Aux Aliments de Pays! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:52:02 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise According to TOF there is no flint in the U.S. And if he sez it, it must be fact. Ask him. Doesn't TOF run the group that about half believes that a bullet will drop upon leaving the muzzle, then rise through its trajectory and fall again.....thus describing a sine wave??? That is the outfit, ain't it. It's no wonder there's no flint in the US...parts of it don't obey Newtonian physics. Ol' Fox is still OK with me. Lanney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:56:25 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: virus My Norton caught and apparently quarantined a virus a few minutes ago. The sender was shown as "comments" and the subject line is "Mar 13 2002 12" Proceed accordingly. Lanney Ratcliff - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 21:30:44 -0400 From: "Tim J." Subject: Re: MtMan-List: virus Hello the camp, It was just sent to me also. There are two addresses associated with this virus. If either jandsstone @earthlink.net or pmonty @ allwest.net look familiar they are the addresses involved. Tim - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:38:56 -0600 From: "Gene Hickman" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: virus I got one from pmonty a couple days ago too. The MacAfee alerted on it. Gene Hickman - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim J." To: Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 7:30 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: virus > Hello the camp, > > It was just sent to me also. There are two addresses associated with this > virus. If either jandsstone @earthlink.net or pmonty @ allwest.net look > familiar they are the addresses involved. > > Tim > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 21:43:13 -0400 (EDT) From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (Jon Marinetti) Subject: MtMan-List: Correct Term for Artillery Igniter (Amer.Rev.) LINSTOCK: a pole arm holding a smoldering slow match rope. [Collector's Illustrated Encyclopedia of the American Revolution by George Neumann and Frank Kravic, pp.16,180] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from Michigan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:48:56 -0500 From: "Philip C. Rogers, Jr." Subject: Re: MtMan-List: virus This is the KLEZ virus, unfortunately, it does not mean the person in the from line has it, just that someone has them in their address book. The subject can change as well. In addition to having an up to date anit-virus program, you should get the latest system updates from Microsoft as this virus exploits a security hole in the OS as well as Outlook. At 20:38 05/16/2002, you wrote: >I got one from pmonty a couple days ago too. The MacAfee alerted on it. > >Gene Hickman > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tim J." >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 7:30 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: virus > > >> Hello the camp, >> >> It was just sent to me also. There are two addresses associated with this >> virus. If either jandsstone @earthlink.net or pmonty @ allwest.net look >> familiar they are the addresses involved. >> >> Tim >> >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 22:09:56 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise On Thu, 16 May 2002 19:52:02 -0500 "Lanney Ratcliff" writes: > Ol' Fox is still OK with me. > Lanney what kind of good stuff you on pard---please send me some (GBG)---contact me offline---got a good groop going yopu might be interested in--- nuff said---and yes chirt and petrified wood are darn hot flints--- no more said--- hawk--- ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 23:01:40 -0500 From: "JIM BRYAN" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise - ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1FD2D.A3AE7680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is that a "sine" of ballistic ignorance? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Lanney Ratcliff Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 7:53 PM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise According to TOF there is no flint in the U.S. And if he sez it, it must be fact. Ask him. Doesn't TOF run the group that about half believes that a bullet will dro= p upon leaving the muzzle, then rise through its trajectory and fall again.....thus describing a sine wave??? That is the outfit, ain't it. It's no wonder there's no flint in the US...parts of it don't obey Newton= ian physics. Ol' Fox is still OK with me. Lanney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1FD2D.A3AE7680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is that a "sin= e" of ballistic ignorance?
 
----- = Original Message -----
From: Lanney Ratcliff
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 7:53 PM
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<= DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">Subject: Re: MtMan-List: flint was = expertise
 
  According to TOF there is no flin= t in the U.S.  And if he sez it, it
must be fact. Ask him.

Doesn't TOF run the group that about half believes that a bullet wil= l drop
upon leaving the muzzle, then rise through its trajectory and f= all
again.....thus describing a sine wave???  That is the outfit,= ain't it.
It's no wonder there's no flint in the US...parts of it don= 't obey Newtonian
physics.
Ol' Fox is still OK with me.
Lanney


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- ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1FD2D.A3AE7680-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 23:21:45 -0400 From: "WindWalker" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise - --=====_102160570518467=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TOF suffers from putting mouth into gear before brain. tell him WindWalker said that Windwalker *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/16/02 at 11:01 PM JIM BRYAN wrote: Is that a "sine" of ballistic ignorance? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Lanney Ratcliff Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 7:53 PM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise According to TOF there is no flint in the U.S. And if he sez it, it must be fact. Ask him. Doesn't TOF run the group that about half believes that a bullet will drop upon leaving the muzzle, then rise through its trajectory and fall again.....thus describing a sine wave??? That is the outfit, ain't it. It's no wonder there's no flint in the US...parts of it don't obey= Newtonian physics. Ol' Fox is still OK with me. Lanney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - --=====_102160570518467=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
TOF suffers from putting mouth into gear before brain.
tell him WindWalker said that
Windwalker
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On 5/16/02 at 11:01 PM JIM BRYAN wrote:
Is that a "sine" of ballistic ignorance?
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Lanney Ratcliff
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 7:53 PM
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise
 
  According to TOF there is no flint in the U.S.  And if he sez it, it
must be fact. Ask him.


Doesn't TOF run the group that about half believes that a bullet will drop
upon leaving the muzzle, then rise through its trajectory and fall
again.....thus describing a sine wave???  That is the outfit, ain't it.
It's no wonder there's no flint in the US...parts of it don't obey Newtonian
physics.
Ol' Fox is still OK with me.
Lanney



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- --=====_102160570518467=_-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 23:44:58 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise TOF I said that a little differently from what I intended. I meant to say that about half of that group believed, not that ALL the group HALF believed the theory of what amounts to sine wave ballistics. I may have the group mis-identified as yours, but a year or two back I got into a fairly toxic battle with some folks on somebody's list who insisted that bullets leaving the muzzle first fall "a little", then rise through an arc "after they stabilize". That flies in the face of physics and accepted concepts of bullet trajectory and I said so. Those folks were assigning aerodynamic principles to bullets that are ballistic by nature. Gravity can't be denied and earthbound objects fall at 32 ft per sec per sec until wind resistance slows them to a constant velocity. In a vacuum the acceleration continues unabated until it strikes a surface. I was always amazed to read that....in a vacuum....a feather and a lead ball fall at the same velocity and will strike the ground simultaneously if dropped simultaneously, and thus a bullet fired parallel to a flat surface....at any velocity..... will strike the ground simultaneously as a bullet (or a feather) dropped simultaneously from the height of the muzzle. If I mis-identified your group as the one that harbored these "sine ballisticians" then I apologize in the same forum that I made the comment. No offense intended to you (or anybody else, for that matter). Send me what I need to join your group. cordially Lanney PS: I will be off line after tomorrow afternoon until about June 3. I am heading north, first to Pinedale Wyoming for an AMM camp then to west central Colorado for another. later - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 23:51:52 -0400 From: "WindWalker" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise sorry thought you ws talking of Fox...from another list rats Windwalker *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/16/02 at 11:44 PM Lanney Ratcliff wrote: >TOF >I said that a little differently from what I intended. I meant to say= that >about half of that group believed, not that ALL the group HALF believed= the >theory of what amounts to sine wave ballistics. I may have the group >mis-identified as yours, but a year or two back I got into a fairly toxic >battle with some folks on somebody's list who insisted that bullets= leaving >the muzzle first fall "a little", then rise through an arc "after they >stabilize". That flies in the face of physics and accepted concepts of >bullet trajectory and I said so. Those folks were assigning aerodynamic >principles to bullets that are ballistic by nature. Gravity can't be >denied >and earthbound objects fall at 32 ft per sec per sec until wind resistance >slows them to a constant velocity. In a vacuum the acceleration continues >unabated until it strikes a surface. I was always amazed to read >that....in a vacuum....a feather and a lead ball fall at the same velocity >and will strike the ground simultaneously if dropped simultaneously, and >thus a bullet fired parallel to a flat surface....at any velocity.....= will >strike the ground simultaneously as a bullet (or a feather) dropped >simultaneously from the height of the muzzle. >If I mis-identified your group as the one that harbored these "sine >ballisticians" then I apologize in the same forum that I made the comment. >No offense intended to you (or anybody else, for that matter). >Send me what I need to join your group. >cordially >Lanney >PS: I will be off line after tomorrow afternoon until about June 3. I am >heading north, first to Pinedale Wyoming for an AMM camp then to west >central Colorado for another. >later > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 23:56:33 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise At 11:01 PM 5/16/02, you wrote: >Is that a "sine" of ballistic ignorance? OH GROAN! The 1811 Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue would define you sir, as a: "WORDPECKER" John... P.S. Texas grey flint is the best this continent has to offer; it's lots hotter than English black or French brown. Doc Grandee always brought it up, I cleaned up his camp after he finished knapping and went home, he kept me in gunflints and firestones for better than 10 years from when I last saw him up on Big "Z's" place. Had a broken point red chert stone in my musket that lasted (without knapping) for years living full time oldtime. Never failed to throw a shower of hot sparks. Never had another as good. > Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:23:23 EDT From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise - --part1_6e.1cbb1882.2a166c5b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/16/02 8:52:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lanneyratcliff@charter.net writes: > According to TOF there is no flint in the U.S. Oh know I will have to let all the folks living on Flint Hill Road out side of Mumford NY know they have to change the name and stop picking it up of the ground cause it is "Fake Flint" not real Flint. Does that mean the fires they started with it at the Genesee Country Museum are then Fake Fires? Y.M.O.S. C.T. Oakes - --part1_6e.1cbb1882.2a166c5b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/16/02 8:52:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lanneyratcliff@charter.net writes:


According to TOF there is no flint in the U.S.  


Oh know I will have to let all the folks living on Flint Hill Road out side of Mumford NY know they have to change the name and stop picking it up of the ground cause it is "Fake Flint" not real Flint.  Does that mean the fires they started with it at the Genesee Country Museum are then Fake Fires?



Y.M.O.S.

C.T. Oakes - --part1_6e.1cbb1882.2a166c5b_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:25:45 -0400 From: "Tim J." Subject: Re: MtMan-List: flint was expertise This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --Boundary_(ID_crhFdue9/YodV2eThw1WtQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT ----- Original Message ----- From: CTOAKES@aol.com In a message dated 5/16/02 8:52:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lanneyratcliff@charter.net writes: According to TOF there is no flint in the U.S. Oh know I will have to let all the folks living on Flint Hill Road out side of Mumford NY know they have to change the name and stop picking it up of the ground ... Ummm... not to restart the debate but *technically* TOF is correct. "Flint" is a specific name for a high quality black Chert found in England. What most people have come to call flint (and name roads. towns, ridges, etc. after) is actually various qualities of chert. Basically, all flint is (a variety of) chert, but not all chert is flint. Tim - --Boundary_(ID_crhFdue9/YodV2eThw1WtQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
 
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In a message dated 5/16/02 8:52:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lanneyratcliff@charter.net writes:


According to TOF there is no flint in the U.S.  

Oh know I will have to let all the folks living on Flint Hill Road out side of Mumford NY know they have to change the name and stop picking it up of the ground ...
 
Ummm... not to restart the debate but *technically* TOF is correct.  "Flint" is a specific name for a high quality black Chert found in England.  What most people have come to call flint (and name roads. towns, ridges, etc. after) is actually various qualities of chert.  Basically, all flint is (a variety of) chert, but not all chert is flint.
 
Tim
 
 
 
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