From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1058 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, July 11 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1058 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: Crass Commercial Spam -       Re: MtMan-List: Nothing really -       [none] -       MtMan-List: Re: No Subject -       MtMan-List: I was out of line -       MtMan-List: Booming Sands?! -       Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line -       Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line -       Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line -       Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line -       Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line -       Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line -       Re: MtMan-List: Booming What? -       MtMan-List: Booming Volcanoes? -       Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line -       Re: MtMan-List: Booming Volcanoes? -       Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line -       Re: MtMan-List: Booming Volcanoes? -       Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line -       RE: MtMan-List: Booming Volcanoes? -       MtMan-List: From: -       MtMan-List: Booming water? Well, almost. -       Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:17:59 -0400 From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: MtMan-List: Crass Commercial Spam Folks, Got a few more knives up on the site! http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 Christmas is coming. D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Knives and Iron Accouterments http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning." - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:02:13 -0400 From: manbear Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nothing really - --------------D004C1F92C2F09BB702C127C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aye Lad, I'll drink tae tha' wi' and dram o' gud Single Malt. Slainte Manbear Double Edge Forge wrote: > God, I hate flatlanders. D]Ay! They come! They come! > Wi' skirl o' pipe an' beat o' drum > A' braw lads o' Scotia's blood > Tho' far awa' frae bens an' muirs > Tae follow the lad o' Cameron line > Clasping Targe an' Claymore > Wi' courage an' pride > They battle as warriors o' auld > A' yells makes blood run cauld > Wild Highlanders! Wild Highlanders! > Intae tha fray! Stand an' hold > Scotia! Scotia Mo Chridhe! For ay! - Kathleen Calhoun - --------------D004C1F92C2F09BB702C127C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aye Lad,
I'll drink tae tha' wi' and dram o' gud Single Malt.
Slainte
Manbear

Double Edge Forge wrote:

 God, I hate flatlanders. D]Ay! They come! They come!
Wi' skirl o' pipe an' beat o' drum
A' braw lads o' Scotia's blood
Tho' far awa' frae bens an' muirs
Tae follow the lad o' Cameron line
Clasping Targe an' Claymore
Wi' courage an' pride
They battle as warriors o' auld
A' yells makes blood run cauld
Wild Highlanders! Wild Highlanders!
Intae tha fray! Stand an' hold
Scotia! Scotia Mo Chridhe! For ay! - Kathleen Calhoun  
- --------------D004C1F92C2F09BB702C127C-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:47:33 -0400 From: "WindWalker" Subject: [none] - --=====_10263412535436=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" - --=====_10263412535436=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" - --=====_10263412535436=_-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:16:36 EDT From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Re: No Subject No Subject No Text Great Message for wasting time. Richard James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:59:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Subject: MtMan-List: I was out of line Dear List and Traprjon, I'm very sorry if I offended any lame, one-armed beaver trappers. I am now taking a mountainman sensitivity class. In the future we should refer to them as Mountainperson's as not to offend anyone. I don't think I used the word "stupid" in any of my post and never would. At least I'm not just trying to sell stuff on the list, you have to give some credit for that. Seriously, in the future I will be more polite and less of an arrogant smart aleck. They're just my opinions and I'm sticking to them. And thats the way my stick floats. Sincerely, Beaverboy - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:14:23 -0600 (MDT) From: Subject: MtMan-List: Booming Sands?! On July 4th 1805 Meriweather Lewis wrote: " since our arrival at the falls (Great falls of the Missouri) we have repeatedly witnessed a nois............as loud and resembling precisely the discharge of a piece of ordinance of 6 pounds at the distance of 3 miles.......this, being sometime heard only once and at other times, six or seven discharges in quick succession. it is heard also at different seasons of the day and night. I am at a loss to account for this phenomenon." This is the last great mystery of the Corps of Discovery. I have solved the mystery but was wondering what other people on the list think the cause was. I've heard just about everything so far but my explaination is the only one that works. And I have proof. John Colter was ,by the way, the first American Mountainperson. Beaverboy - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:57:24 EDT From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line - --part1_dc.19c0e7b9.2a5ef6d4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are we not supposed to sell on this list? Frank Odessa,Texas - --part1_dc.19c0e7b9.2a5ef6d4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are we not supposed to sell on this list?

Frank
Odessa,Texas - --part1_dc.19c0e7b9.2a5ef6d4_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:03:25 -0500 From: "Paul Jones" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C228C2.327CC780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Certainly, Frank, we continue to be interested in quality items, = however, nothing from lame one-armed trappers is acceptable. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:57 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line Are we not supposed to sell on this list? Frank Odessa,Texas=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C228C2.327CC780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Certainly, Frank,  we continue to be = interested=20 in quality items, however, nothing from lame one-armed trappers is=20 acceptable.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 JOAQUINQS@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 = 9:57=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I was = out of=20 line

Are we not supposed to sell on this=20 list?

Frank
Odessa,Texas = - ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C228C2.327CC780-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:03:34 -0400 From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C228CA.99BE8520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Are we not supposed to sell on this list?" Sure you can, Frank, at least Dean hasn't tossed me lo these many years, = even though there have been those that would dearly love him to.. You make some damned fine canteens! Had mine, what, three yrs now and = nary a leak... and I don't baby stuff... Speaking of selling on the list.... Check the site this evening. There = should be another sticker ot two on there!!!! Dennis Miles AMM 1622 Hiv. "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Knives and Iron Accouterments http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning." ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:57 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line Are we not supposed to sell on this list? Frank Odessa,Texas=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C228CA.99BE8520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"Are we not supposed to sell on this=20 list?"
 
Sure you can, Frank, at least Dean = hasn't tossed me=20 lo these many years, even though there have been those that would dearly = love=20 him to..
You make some damned fine canteens! Had = mine, what,=20 three yrs now and nary a leak... and I don't baby stuff...
Speaking of selling on the list.... = Check the site=20 this evening. There should be another sticker ot two on=20 there!!!!<BG>
 
Dennis Miles
AMM 1622 Hiv.
 
   "Abair ach beagan is abair = gu math=20 e"
            = DOUBLE=20 EDGE FORGE
       Knives and Iron=20 Accouterments
      http://www.bright.net/~deforge1<= /A>
 
   "Knowing how is just the=20 beginning."
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 JOAQUINQS@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 = 10:57=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I was = out of=20 line

Are we not supposed to sell on this=20 list?

Frank
Odessa,Texas = - ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C228CA.99BE8520-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:46:21 -0700 From: "Daniel L. "Concho" Smith" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line Thanks Jones, Crap - so much for what I was going to sell. Concho [HRD] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Historical Research & Development "ANISCHIK"(is how the Moravians saw it) THANK YOU. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:03:25 Paul Jones wrote: >Certainly, Frank, we continue to be interested in quality items, however, nothing from lame one-armed trappers is acceptable. _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:59:33 -0500 From: "Paul Jones" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line Concho, No, no, sell to us, please! The "nothing from lame one-armed trappers" was taken from a selfless post from our resident trapping guru and general all round wonderexpert, and not intended to reference any honorable person, living or otherwise, fully-limbed or whatever. So relax and pull out your medicine wagon of neat goods. Pablo - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel L. Concho Smith" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:46 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line > Thanks Jones, > > Crap - so much for what I was going to sell. > > Concho [HRD] > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Historical Research & Development > "ANISCHIK"(is how the Moravians saw it) THANK YOU. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:03:25 > Paul Jones wrote: > >Certainly, Frank, we continue to be interested in quality items, however, nothing from lame one-armed trappers is acceptable. > > > > _____________________________________________________ > Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads > and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. > http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:57:30 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line Beaverboy, JEEZ, nice polite, sensitive, mountaineers? The world has truly turned to lukewarm pig poop. Come on piss somebody off, its traditional. John... At 07:59 AM 7/11/02, you wrote: >Dear List and Traprjon, > I'm very sorry if I offended any lame, one-armed beaver trappers. I am >now taking a mountainman sensitivity class. In the future we should refer >to them as Mountainperson's as not to offend anyone. I don't think I used >the word "stupid" in any of my post and never would. At least I'm not just >trying to sell stuff on the list, you have to give some credit for that. > Seriously, in the future I will be more polite and less of an arrogant >smart aleck. > They're just my opinions and I'm sticking to them. And thats the way >my stick floats. > Sincerely, > Beaverboy "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence." Napoleon Bonaparte. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:42:30 -0400 From: "Tom Roberts" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Booming What? Beaverboy, Does this explanation also work? "Mount Hood is also one of the major volcanoes of the Cascade Range, having erupted repeatedly for hundreds of thousands of years, most recently during two episodes in the past 1,500 years. The last episode ended shortly before the arrival of Lewis and Clark in 1805." Volcano Hazards in the Mount Hood Region, Oregon - -- W. E. Scott, T. C. Pierson, S. P. Schilling, J. E. Costa, C. A. Gardner, J. W. Vallance, and J. J. Major, 1997, Volcano Hazards in the Mount Hood Region, Oregon: USGS Open-File Report 97-89 Don't know if the sound would travel that far (500 miles). Or was it just members of the Corps off in the brush "doing their business" and firing off a round or 2 to chase off bear? Colter first? Early perhaps, but first? Tom - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:14 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Booming Sands?! > On July 4th 1805 Meriweather Lewis wrote: > " since our arrival at the falls (Great falls of the Missouri) we have > repeatedly witnessed a nois............as loud and resembling precisely > the discharge of a piece of ordinance of 6 pounds at the distance of 3 > miles.......this, being sometime heard only once and at other times, six > or seven discharges in quick succession. it is heard also at different > seasons of the day and night. I am at a loss to account for this > phenomenon." > This is the last great mystery of the Corps of Discovery. I have > solved the mystery but was wondering what other people on the list think > the cause was. I've heard just about everything so far but my explaination > is the only one that works. And I have proof. > John Colter was ,by the way, the first American Mountainperson. > Beaverboy > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:21:39 -0600 (MDT) From: Subject: MtMan-List: Booming Volcanoes? Dear Tom and List, Colter was the first American to come back for the sole purpose to trap beaver wasn't he?(he never actually left, he turned around at the Mandan villages after being honorably discharged) I mean the first American truly near the mountains. There were many white people in the midwest at that time but I don't think many of them made it past the confluence of the Yellowstone and the Missouri prior to 1804. The French named the Yellowstone as everyone knows but even the french never made it west of the Bighorns prior to 1804. (at least its not recorded, is it?) So I would think that John Colter (MY HERO!) was the first American Mountainman (yes! I said Mountain MAN not person and it felt great!) Booming Sand is said to be sand dunes that suddenly shift and create a booming sound? Yeah, I know, not too likely. Volcanoes? No. It occurred much too often and there are no active volcanoes anywhere in earshot of the Great Falls. But thank you for your input. As I said, I discovered the cause of this mysterious noise while beaver trapping 3 miles from the Great Falls. This is the greatest discovery of the epic voyage since Clarks name was found on Pompey's Pillar. I will disclose the answer after I get some feedback from the list. I've already discussed my discovery with 3 L&C scholars including Gary Moultan and all were quite amazed with this huge find. The mystery is over! Beaverboy - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:41:59 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line Come on piss somebody off, its traditional. John... >>John, I don't know about you, but I'm headin for the medicine cabinet. There's gotta be some Pepto there. The crap on here lately leaves a taste in my mouth that reminds me of a VERY BAD Mexican Restaurant ! Pendleton - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:52:55 -0700 From: JW Stephens Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Booming Volcanoes? Beaverboy ... my hero! (don't break arm patting self on back) beaverboy@sofast.net wrote: > > The mystery is > over! > Beaverboy - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:06:19 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line Beaver Boy, I normally don't respond to anyone who doesn't have the common courtesy to sign their posts with their own name, but in your case I'm going to make an exception. For your information, using a trap and chain to hang a pot over the fire on a tripod would have absolutely no effect on the springs. Unless of course the trapper was fool enough to build a fire large enough to burn the tripod down and only then if the trap laid in the fire for an extended length of time. Which is about as likely as me winning the Lotto ! ! ! ! ! ! If you don't mind, figure out the difference between Shit and Shineola, then share your knowledge with us. Pendleton #1572 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:03:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Booming Volcanoes? > Beaverboy ... my hero! (don't break arm patting self on back) > What did I do now? There's just no pleasing this crowd. Beaverboy > beaverboy@sofast.net wrote: >> >> The mystery is >> over! >> Beaverboy > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:05:04 -0500 From: "Paul Jones" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line Larry, Please be nice. Otherwise he will not share his discovery, and we shall remain, together with all of the L&C experts, forever in the dark? Pablo - ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry pendleton" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:06 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line > Beaver Boy, > I normally don't respond to anyone who doesn't have the common courtesy to > sign their posts with their own name, but in your case I'm going to make an > exception. > For your information, using a trap and chain to hang a pot over the fire > on a tripod would have absolutely no effect on the springs. Unless of > course the trapper was fool enough to build a fire large enough to burn the > tripod down and only then if the trap laid in the fire for an extended > length of time. Which is about as likely as me winning the Lotto ! ! ! ! ! > ! > If you don't mind, figure out the difference between Shit and Shineola, > then share your knowledge with us. > Pendleton #1572 > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:14:14 -0700 From: Pat Quilter Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Booming Volcanoes? I'll jump in to keep the conversation going. My guess, not too consistent with some of the clues, is that a whirlpool or repeating wave formation associated with the falls occasionally collapses with a loud whop. I occasionally hear remarkable "explosions" from a nearby beach when a well-formed wave smacks down all at once. However I doubt that this would produce a solid enough report to sound like a "6-lb cannon at 3 miles". My other guess is some kind of balanced rock crashing back and forth occasionally, or some kind of blowhole that traps air that somehow releases explosively, but I doubt if such a critically tuned formation would last long enough to be observed today. The last wild guess is a geyserlike event, but I don't know if there are thermal vents nearby. An interesting mystery. Pat Quilter - -----Original Message----- From: beaverboy@sofast.net [mailto:beaverboy@sofast.net] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:22 PM To: hist_text@xmission.com Subject: MtMan-List: Booming Volcanoes? Dear Tom and List, Colter was the first American to come back for the sole purpose to trap beaver wasn't he?(he never actually left, he turned around at the Mandan villages after being honorably discharged) I mean the first American truly near the mountains. There were many white people in the midwest at that time but I don't think many of them made it past the confluence of the Yellowstone and the Missouri prior to 1804. The French named the Yellowstone as everyone knows but even the french never made it west of the Bighorns prior to 1804. (at least its not recorded, is it?) So I would think that John Colter (MY HERO!) was the first American Mountainman (yes! I said Mountain MAN not person and it felt great!) Booming Sand is said to be sand dunes that suddenly shift and create a booming sound? Yeah, I know, not too likely. Volcanoes? No. It occurred much too often and there are no active volcanoes anywhere in earshot of the Great Falls. But thank you for your input. As I said, I discovered the cause of this mysterious noise while beaver trapping 3 miles from the Great Falls. This is the greatest discovery of the epic voyage since Clarks name was found on Pompey's Pillar. I will disclose the answer after I get some feedback from the list. I've already discussed my discovery with 3 L&C scholars including Gary Moultan and all were quite amazed with this huge find. The mystery is over! Beaverboy - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:36:48 -0600 (MDT) From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: MtMan-List: From: This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim). A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: hist__text@xmission.com unknown local-part "hist__text" in domain "xmission.com" - ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ Return-path: Received: from [198.60.22.203] (helo=mgr3.xmission.com) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 17SqCo-0003pT-00 for hist__text@xmission.com; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:30:50 -0600 Received: from mail by mgr3.xmission.com with spam-scanned (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17SqCo-0005mF-00 for hist__text@xmission.com; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:30:50 -0600 Received: from [208.35.255.3] (helo=teton.sofast.net) by mgr3.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17SqCo-0005m4-00 for hist__text@xmission.com; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:30:50 -0600 Received: (qmail 1844 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2002 02:30:49 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO sofast.net) (127.0.0.1) by 0 (127.0.0.1) with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 02:30:49 -0000 Received: from 67.250.107.120 (SquirrelMail authenticated user beaverboy@sofast.net) by webmail.sofast.net with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:30:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3138.67.250.107.120.1026441049.squirrel@webmail.sofast.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:30:49 -0600 (MDT) Subject: I'm still sorry From: To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear Larry, Thank you for your input on the Great Trap Cooking contraversy! In Gerstell's outstanding book "The Steel Trap in North America" (In my now humbled opinion, the greatest book written on the steel trap) on page 122 under the paragraph titled "Odd uses for traps and trap chains" he list ALL known uses of traps used during the era. Including three written records of trap chains (while still attached to the traps) as being used to bind prisoners including two indians who were accused of killing Hugh Glass. Cooking was not listed, though possible I suppose, as anything is possible. I just said that no real trapper would ever put his trap anywhere near a fire, why take a chance. But again that is just my humbled opinion. This is an excellent book on the subject. It also gives many accounts (documented) of trappers trapping beaver in the summer time and late spring, early fall and others times not ever considered prime fur time. The book can be puchased from F-F-G at (614)231-9585 for $64.95. I do not make a dime off of this sale. Every list member should own and read this great book if you don't own it already. Sincerely, Beaverboy - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:47:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Subject: MtMan-List: Booming water? Well, almost. Dear Pat, Excellent assumption! Did you read the full account by Lewis? He assummed it was caused by water as well. Unfortunately its not the correct answer.(based on my discovery) Thank you for your input. Any more guesses or thoeries? Remember folks its under July 4th, 1805 of the L&C Journals. Beaverboy - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:50:54 -0400 From: "Tom Roberts" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line Larry, Was wondering the same about chain. I hang my pot from some type of cordage or branch without so much as a scorch. Of course there's no value lost, other than a meal perhaps, if it were to fall. Not sure I would use something of value like a trap & chain, unless that were no rocks or sticks about, but I think you're right that the effect would be nil as long as it was kept away from the coals. Tom - ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry pendleton" To: Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 12:06 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I was out of line > Beaver Boy, > ........................using a trap and chain to hang a pot over the fire > on a tripod would have absolutely no effect on the springs. Unless of > course the trapper was fool enough to build a fire large enough to burn the > tripod down and only then if the trap laid in the fire for an extended > length of time. Which is about as likely as me winning the Lotto ! ! ! ! ! > Pendleton #1572 > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1058 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.