From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1143 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, February 2 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1143 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: Re: -       MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:16:01 -0600 -       Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:16:01 -0600 -       MtMan-List: books...off topic -       MtMan-List: Re: -       Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:16:01 -0600 -       MtMan-List: Kevin's (no subject) -       Re: MtMan-List: Kevin's (no subject) -       MtMan-List: Attention: Kevin At Philmont -       MtMan-List: Pecatonica Kits and .54 twists -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: -       Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:16:01 -0600 -       Re: MtMan-List: Pecatonica Kits and .54 twists -       Re: MtMan-List: Pecatonica Kits and .54 twists -       Re: MtMan-List: Pecatonica Kits and .54 twists -       Re: MtMan-List: Pecatonica Kits and .54 twists -       Re: MtMan-List: Pecatonica Kits and .54 twists -       Re: MtMan-List: Pecatonica Kits and .54 twists -       Re: MtMan-List: Pecatonica Kits and .54 twists ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:04:42 -0800 From: "Lee Newbill" Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Greetings Kevin What part of the fur trade are you interested in? The US/American Rocky Mountain portion? What resources do you have? Regards Lee Newbill of North Idaho AMM# 1821 http://www.hogheavenmuzzleloaders.com http://users.potlatch.com/bluethistle http://www.mountaintoptradingco.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Stickelman" To: Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:19 PM > > I am a backcountry manager at Philmont Scout Ranch in Cimarron, NM. > Philmont is currently developing new and more accurate living history > programs for many of its camps. Two of those camps are Fur Trade > interpretive. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or research topics > on this matter. > > Thanks, > Kevin > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:18:19 -0700 From: "Paul Jones" Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:16:01 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C2C92A.E689DFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For reasons of health, I am beginning to liquidate my library. Part of = my collection is great to fair material relating to the French and = Indian War through the revolution. Can anyone recommend a dealer who = might either be interested in paying a fair price for the lot or the = better items therein, or even doing a deal on a split of the successful = sales? I most sincerely appreciate your time. Regards, Paul P.S. I also have an extensive fur trade library, trapping and survival = collection, fly tying and fishing volumes with many first editions, etc. = Any suggestions as to book dealers with that interest? - ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C2C92A.E689DFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For reasons of health, I am beginning to liquidate my = library.  Part=20 of my collection is great to fair material relating to the French and = Indian War=20 through the revolution.  Can anyone recommend a dealer who = might=20 either be interested in paying a fair price for the lot or the better = items=20 therein, or even doing a deal on a split of the successful sales?
 
I most sincerely appreciate your time.
 
Regards,
 
Paul
 
P.S.  I also have an extensive fur trade library, trapping and = survival collection, fly tying and fishing volumes with many first = editions,=20 etc.  Any suggestions as to book dealers with that interest?
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C2C92A.E689DFC0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:27:56 -0600 From: "JIM BRYAN" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:16:01 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00E2_01C2C92C.90C5C7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul, I don't know if they deal in books, but Collectors' Covey here in Dallas = deals in outdoor art.ie: bronzes, paintings, etc. You might give them a = try on the good fishing books.hope to see you next week at the = Territorial.. Jim ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul Jones=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:18 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:16:01 -0600 For reasons of health, I am beginning to liquidate my library. Part = of my collection is great to fair material relating to the French and = Indian War through the revolution. Can anyone recommend a dealer who = might either be interested in paying a fair price for the lot or the = better items therein, or even doing a deal on a split of the successful = sales? I most sincerely appreciate your time. Regards, Paul P.S. I also have an extensive fur trade library, trapping and = survival collection, fly tying and fishing volumes with many first = editions, etc. Any suggestions as to book dealers with that interest? - ------=_NextPart_000_00E2_01C2C92C.90C5C7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Paul,
 
I don't know if they deal in books, but Collectors' Covey here in = Dallas=20 deals in outdoor art=85ie: bronzes, paintings, etc. You might give them = a try on=20 the good fishing books=85hope to see you next week at the = Territorial..
 
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Jones
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 = 1:18=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, = 31 Jan=20 2003 13:16:01 -0600

For reasons of health, I am beginning to liquidate my = library.  Part=20 of my collection is great to fair material relating to the French and = Indian=20 War through the revolution.  Can anyone recommend a dealer = who might=20 either be interested in paying a fair price for the lot or the better = items=20 therein, or even doing a deal on a split of the successful = sales?
 
I most sincerely appreciate your time.
 
Regards,
 
Paul
 
P.S.  I also have an extensive fur trade library, trapping = and=20 survival collection, fly tying and fishing volumes with many first = editions,=20 etc.  Any suggestions as to book dealers with that = interest?
=
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_00E2_01C2C92C.90C5C7A0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:04:53 -0600 From: "John McKee" Subject: MtMan-List: books...off topic This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C2C93A.1BEF50F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My lovely wife was re-arranging the bookcases the other day=20 and she found a couple of duplicates. Both are paperbacks in new condition: =20 1. Personal narrative of James O. Pattie edited by Richard Batman, Classics of the fur trade series, Mountain Press Publishing....list price: 14.00 2. Edward Warren by William Drummond Stewart also by=20 Mountain Press Publishing.... list price: 15.00 =20 I would like to get at least 7.00 per book. =20 Monies received will be donated to the AMM land Fund.=20 Anyone that is interested can contact me off list to arrange shipping. - ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C2C93A.1BEF50F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My lovely wife was re-arranging the bookcases the other day
and she found a couple of duplicates. Both are paperbacks
in new condition:
    
1. Personal narrative of James O. Pattie edited by Richard = Batman,
    Classics of the fur trade series,
    Mountain Press Publishing....list price: = 14.00
2. Edward Warren by William Drummond Stewart also by
    Mountain Press Publishing.... list price:=20 15.00
   
I would like to get at least 7.00 per book. 
Monies received will be donated to the AMM land Fund.
Anyone that is interested can contact me off list
to arrange shipping.
- ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C2C93A.1BEF50F0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:17:24 -0800 From: John Kramer Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Kevin, My name is John Kramer I hold the rank of Hiveranno in The American Mountain Men and serve as their Historian. Many years ago I enjoyed 14 days during the rainiest year Philmont had ever known, the following year I added palms to my Eagle. Now I've got a couple of nephews working on their Eagle that I hope get to enjoy Philmont someday. Are you intending full fur trade adventures or hike-on-thru camps like the old mine where for a day the Scouts would experience how to dig & pan for gold? There is a broad range of information and perhaps people available that can provide everything from how-to-build-a-fire, trap-a-beaver, or pack-a-mule, up to doctoral level history course. A large number of the AMM have been and/or are active in Scouting. Some have started fur trade specific Explorer Posts in the past. There are a lot questions I would need answered to know how best I could help; I would need to understand some of the parameters which you are working under and the end goal of the program. It might be more productive for you to forward a phone number and best times to call; I will call so you don't need to worry about how long we talk. I will help in any way I can with resources and contacts. John... At 08:19 PM 1/30/03, you wrote: >I am a backcountry manager at Philmont Scout Ranch in Cimarron, NM. >Philmont is currently developing new and more accurate living history >programs for many of its camps. Two of those camps are Fur Trade >interpretive. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or research >topics on this matter. > >Thanks, >Kevin > ========================================== John Adams, Second President of the United States: "You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator of the Universe." These rights are enshrined in our precious Bill of Rights. Without them we are essentially slaves - powerless property of the state. ============================================= - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:57:34 -0700 (MST) From: amm1616@earthlink.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:16:01 -0600 - ------=_Part_5828_4584526.1044061057080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul, I would try Donna at Trails West. She specializes in western amerciana and would be a good place to start. I use her and i think some others on the list, like jim Hardee. Let me know if you need her telephone number. mike. Original message attached. - ------=_Part_5828_4584526.1044061057080 Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; name=MESSAGE.HTML; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=MESSAGE.HTML
For reasons of health, I am beginning to liquidate my library.  Part of my collection is great to fair material relating to the French and Indian War through the revolution.  Can anyone recommend a dealer who might either be interested in paying a fair price for the lot or the better items therein, or even doing a deal on a split of the successful sales?
 
I most sincerely appreciate your time.
 
Regards,
 
Paul
 
P.S.  I also have an extensive fur trade library, trapping and survival collection, fly tying and fishing volumes with many first editions, etc.  Any suggestions as to book dealers with that interest?
 
- ------=_Part_5828_4584526.1044061057080-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:59:28 -0700 (MST) From: Subject: MtMan-List: Kevin's (no subject) >I was just curious. Did everyone else receive Kevin's post without the MtMan-List prefix? And also without a subject? If so I bet a lot of them got deleted. I usually delete unknown post but just happen to open his. bb > I am a backcountry manager at Philmont Scout Ranch in Cimarron, NM. > Philmont is currently developing new and more accurate living history > programs for many of its camps. Two of those camps are Fur Trade > interpretive. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or research > topics on this matter. > > Thanks, > Kevin > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:33:41 -0800 From: "kc16" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Kevin's (no subject) Yes....same happened to me. Hmmm...I wonder how that happened? Blood - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Kevin's (no subject) > >I was just curious. Did everyone else receive Kevin's post without the > MtMan-List prefix? And also without a subject? If so I bet a lot of them > got deleted. I usually delete unknown post but just happen to open his. > bb > > > > > I am a backcountry manager at Philmont Scout Ranch in Cimarron, NM. > > Philmont is currently developing new and more accurate living history > > programs for many of its camps. Two of those camps are Fur Trade > > interpretive. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or research > > topics on this matter. > > > > Thanks, > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 02:07:58 +0000 From: "Michael Powell" Subject: MtMan-List: Attention: Kevin At Philmont

Kevin,

Please e-mail me off list!  Have I got a deal for you that may prove to be mutually advantageous.  amm1769@hotmail.com

Thanks,

Mike Powell 


AMM #1769
POISON RIVER PARTY
"Ride, Ride, Ride"
"Aux Aliments du Pays"!

Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:12:05 -0700 (MST) From: Subject: MtMan-List: Pecatonica Kits and .54 twists Dear List, I sold my beaver pelts and did better than I expected thus I am able to move up in the world from fusee to rifle! Or at least move out in range. Does anyone have any comments concerning Pecatonica River flintlock rifle kits? Or any other high quality kits. I'm looking for a good .54 swamped barrel rifle kit. Pecatonica River looks pretty good to me. I've also heard that a 1-72" or 1-80" twist is the best for the .54 with heavy powder loads (100-120grs). Any comments about that? I'm a poor trapper so this will be my one and only flintlock rifle so I need to make the right choice. I appreciate your advice and knowledge and thank you in advance. beaverboy - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 02:11:34 +0000 From: "Michael Powell" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re:

Kevin,

Likewise, I would love to help you out.

Mike Powell #AMM 1769




AMM #1769
POISON RIVER PARTY
"Ride, Ride, Ride"
"Aux Aliments du Pays"!
>From: John Kramer
>Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: MtMan-List: Re:
>Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:17:24 -0800
>
>Kevin,
>
>My name is John Kramer I hold the rank of Hiveranno in The American
>Mountain Men and serve as their Historian. Many years ago I enjoyed
>14 days during the rainiest year Philmont had ever known, the
>following year I added palms to my Eagle. Now I've got a couple of
>nephews working on their Eagle that I hope get to enjoy Philmont
>someday.
>
>Are you intending full fur trade adventures or hike-on-thru camps
>like the old mine where for a day the Scouts would experience how to
>dig & pan for gold? There is a broad range of information and
>perhaps people available that can provide everything from
>how-to-build-a-fire, trap-a-beaver, or pack-a-mule, up to doctoral
>level history course. A large number of the AMM have been and/or
>are active in Scouting. Some have started fur trade specific
>Explorer Posts in the past.
>
>There are a lot questions I would need answered to know how best I
>could help; I would need to understand some of the parameters which
>you are working under and the end goal of the program. It might be
>more productive for you to forward a phone number and best times to
>call; I will call so you don't need to worry about how long we talk.
> I will help in any way I can with resources and contacts.
>
>John...
>
>At 08:19 PM 1/30/03, you wrote:
>
>>I am a backcountry manager at Philmont Scout Ranch in Cimarron, NM.
>>Philmont is currently developing new and more accurate living
>>history programs for many of its camps. Two of those camps are Fur
>>Trade interpretive. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or
>>research topics on this matter.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Kevin
>>
>
>
>==========================================
>John Adams, Second President of the United States: "You have rights
>antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot be
>repealed or
>restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator
>of the
>Universe." These rights are enshrined in our precious Bill of
>Rights.
>Without them we are essentially slaves - powerless property of the
>state.
>=============================================
>
>
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>hist_text list info:
>http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html

Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 22:49:52 EST From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:16:01 -0600 - --part1_39.333ea832.2b6c9de0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/2003 11:19:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, pwjones@myexcel.com writes: > volumes with many first editions, etc. Pablo, I have a buddy who collects 1st Editions of all types. Contact me offlist and I'll give you his info. Barney - --part1_39.333ea832.2b6c9de0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/2003 11:19:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, pwjones@myexcel.com writes:


volumes with many first editions, etc.


Pablo, I have a buddy who collects 1st Editions of all types. Contact me offlist and I'll give you his info.   Barney - --part1_39.333ea832.2b6c9de0_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:03:38 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Branson Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pecatonica Kits and .54 twists - --0-232686832-1044072218=:68606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii beaverboy@sofast.net wrote:Dear List, I sold my beaver pelts and did better than I expected thus I am able to move up in the world from fusee to rifle! Or at least move out in range. Does anyone have any comments concerning Pecatonica River flintlock rifle kits? Or any other high quality kits. I'm looking for a good .54 swamped barrel rifle kit. Pecatonica River looks pretty good to me. I've also heard that a 1-72" or 1-80" twist is the best for the .54 with heavy powder loads (100-120grs). Any comments about that? I'm a poor trapper so this will be my one and only flintlock rifle so I need to make the right choice. I appreciate your advice and knowledge and thank you in advance. beaverboy - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.htmlSir: I don't know what you want to spend. I will just talk quality. I would really seriously suggest you buy one of the Chambers rifle kits. Pecatonica usually uses a softer grade of red maple. Chambers kits are made from the best components money can buy : hard rock maple pre-turned stocks, siler or chambers locks, good brass hardware, Getz swamped barrels 42" long .54 cal, c-weight guns. They balance well when assembled. They come pre-shaped and partially inletted. If you are a little handy with tools you can turn it into a fine plain ky style rifle. You can make the lancaster kit look like the contract rifle of 1792. Those were all built in Lancaster county by several different top quality builders: Dickert, Gumpf, etc. The 1792 contract rifles also look very similiar to the type B late pattern lancaster english trade rifles. Many of these were in the western territories. I hope this helps you. I would also suggest you buy: William buchele's book re-creating the Penn. long rifle. - --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now - --0-232686832-1044072218=:68606 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

 

 beaverboy@sofast.net wrote:

Dear List,
I sold my beaver pelts and did better than I expected thus I am able
to move up in the world from fusee to rifle! Or at least move out in range.
Does anyone have any comments concerning Pecatonica River flintlock
rifle kits? Or any other high quality kits. I'm looking for a good .54
swamped barrel rifle kit. Pecatonica River looks pretty good to me.
I've also heard that a 1-72" or 1-80" twist is the best for the .54
with heavy powder loads (100-120grs). Any comments about that?
I'm a poor trapper so this will be my one and only flintlock rifle so
I need to make the right choice.
I appreciate your advice and knowledge and thank you in advance.
beaverboy



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Sir: I don't know what you want to spend. I will just talk quality. I would really seriously suggest you buy one of the Chambers rifle kits. Pecatonica usually uses a softer grade of red maple. Chambers kits are made from the best components money can buy : hard rock maple pre-turned stocks, siler or chambers locks, good brass hardware, Getz swamped barrels 42" long .54 cal, c-weight guns. They balance well when assembled. They come pre-shaped and partially inletted. If you are a little handy with tools you can turn it into a fine plain ky style rifle. You can make the lancaster kit  look like the contract rifle of 1792. Those were all built in Lancaster county by several different top quality builders: Dickert, Gumpf, etc. The 1792 contract rifles also look very similiar to the type B late pattern lancaster english trade rifles. Many of these were in the western territories. I hope this helps you. I would also suggest you buy: William buchele's book re-creating the Penn. long rifle.  


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Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now - --0-232686832-1044072218=:68606-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 03:02:32 EST From: Mandan1727@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pecatonica Kits and .54 twists - --part1_c9.2f6421de.2b6cd918_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beaverboy, cabin creek muzzleloading makes some nice guns and accouterments you might give them a try. They also have a catalog you can get for a price. Heres there website Cabin Creek Muzzleloading About barrel twists usually the bigger the bore the straighter the twist, and smaller the bore the twist can be tighter...........but i'm not totally certain on this. For a .54 cal the twist can be 1:48" to a 1:70" range for round ball i'd chose 1:70" Sincerely, Daniel "Mandan" Duncan AMM#1727 Missouri Valley Party Missouri/Iowa Brigade - --part1_c9.2f6421de.2b6cd918_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
   Beaverboy,            cabin creek  muzzleloading makes some nice guns and accouterments you might give them a try.  They also have a catalog you can get for a price.      Heres there website         Cabin Creek Muzzleloading
About barrel twists usually the bigger the bore the straighter the twist, and smaller the bore  the twist can be tighter...........but i'm not totally certain on this.     For a .54 cal the twist can  be 1:48"  to a 1:70" range  for round ball i'd chose 1:70"
                                                                                                                                          Sincerely,

Daniel "Mandan" Duncan
AMM#1727
Missouri Valley Party
Missouri/Iowa Brigade - --part1_c9.2f6421de.2b6cd918_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 06:27:10 -0700 (MST) From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pecatonica Kits and .54 twists >Daniel, That is what I'm hearing on twist as well. The bigger the bore the slower the twist. Chambers does have some nice kits and I will check out the Cabin Creek web page too. Thankyou, bb > Beaverboy, cabin creek muzzleloading makes some nice > guns and > accouterments you might give them a try. They also have a catalog you > can get for a price. Heres there website HREF="http://www.cabincreek.net/index.html">Cabin Creek > Muzzleloading About barrel twists usually the bigger the bore the > straighter the twist, and smaller the bore the twist can be > tighter...........but i'm not totally certain on this. For a .54 > cal the twist can be 1:48" to a 1:70" range for round ball i'd > chose 1:70" > > Sincerely, > > Daniel "Mandan" Duncan > AMM#1727 > Missouri Valley Party > Missouri/Iowa Brigade - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 11:37:26 -0800 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pecatonica Kits and .54 twists http://www.cybercom.net/~bconner/rndball.html If you would care to go to the above link you will come to a neat little math program that will calculate any number of items related to round balls including the minimum rate of twist for a particular round ball shot at a certain velocity. My opinion, but for a .54 even though you might get away with it I would not use a twist rate as slow as 1-48. I think you will get much better performance from rates starting at 1-56 and slower. 1-48 seems to be a rate of twist that T/C adopted with their first "Hawkens" to accommodate both round ball and conicals. It does both poorly compared to a barrel rifled for a particular projectile. YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 13:22:34 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pecatonica Kits and .54 twists beaver boy they have good kits and furnish most of the other suppliers----IE track and golden age and mountain state --they also furnish all the parts and do what they call 95% inletting for a slight charge---if you have not built several guns then this will help and give you a finished gun in the shortest time---still some work required like breaching the barrel cutting sights and installing underlugs and drilling pins and screws. inletting is minimimal but will require some cleanup --- tell mr dick greenside i said hello and give you some good wood--- i buy a lot of wood from him---also danny caywood gets uncut blanks from him as well as others---he has good uncut wood blanks--- as far as the twist I like a faster twist than a 1-70-like a 1-66 is what i normally use and it has a accuracy load from 78 gr fffg to 120 gr fffg ao you see it is not real powser critical with the faster twist---a 1-48 on the other hand has a accuracy loak of 55gr fffg to about 88 gr of fffg and the slow twist of 1-70 seems to like 2f more than it likes 3f and powder charges are between 95gr ffg to 150 gr of ffg---personally i would go with the round bottom rifleings not the sq ones as it seems to not be as critical to the patch and ball combination and is easier to clean and easy to load hawk-- ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 16:41:45 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pecatonica Kits and .54 twists Mike, Gotta take exception to a couple of things. Remember, BeaverBoy is a poor mountaineer and price is probably a consideration. > I would really seriously suggest you buy one of the Chambers rifle kits. Top Quality....probably the best on the market and the price reflects it. Also, Chambers only supplies the parts. Lepley supplies the stock, and the barrel comes directly from Getz. This means you get your gun piecemeal from 3 different people who have varying production schedules. Sometimes getting a barrel from Getz takes months. > Pecatonica usually uses a softer grade of red maple. All of Dick's wood is selected by him from a local mill. Red maple don't grow in northern Illinois. Some of his lower grade wood is sapwood, which is softer, but it is all still sugar/hard maple. Also, some of it comes from trees removed from suburban settings and prairie. It has looser growth rings than that cut from dense wooded areas. He also offers a variety of grades of wood. You get what you pay for. He also uses Green Mountain barrels in straight configuration. He will inlet a gun for a swamped barrel if the customer wants. For the first timer, Pecatonica is the best way to go. > I would also suggest you buy: William buchele's book re- > creating the Penn. long rifle. It was co-authored by Shumway and Alexander as well. Alexander's new book, "The Gunsmith of Grenville Co." is a more complete and concise book. It's now the one to buy. Dave Kanger - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:30:29 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pecatonica Kits and .54 twists On Sat, 1 Feb 2003 16:41:45 EST ThisOldFox@aol.com writes: > > I would also suggest you buy: William buchele's book re- > > creating the Penn. long rifle. > > It was co-authored by Shumway and Alexander as well. Alexander's > new book, > "The Gunsmith of Grenville Co." is a more complete and concise book. > It's > now the one to buy. > > Dave Kanger it was my thoughts that you didnt like alexanders methods of doing things---I thank his book is a darn good primer for a new builder and even an old fox can learn new tricks--- to me he is a good writer and i liked his explination of sear and tumbler engagement and lock geometry---i have used the same type of gage he did for years and learned that trick from kieth knewbeyer---in the 60's makes it easy to stone a sear correctly and at the right angle hawk--- ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! 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