From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1192 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Saturday, May 3 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1192 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: Trade Gun? -       MtMan-List:History Channel -       MtMan-List: TL&R Question -       MtMan-List: Straighting Antler -       Re: MtMan-List:History Channel -       Re: MtMan-List:History Channel -       Re: MtMan-List: Straighting Antler -       Re: MtMan-List:History Channel -       Re: MtMan-List: TL&R Question -       RE: MtMan-List: Trade Gun? -       RE: MtMan-List: Trade Gun & Nanook -       MtMan-List: Jim Bridger ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:18:25 -0600 (MDT) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: MtMan-List: Trade Gun? Dear List, I was at the Gun Show today and one merchant had a trade gun of sorts for sale. Perhaps someone knows more about it. It seem to be about .20 ga with a 52" barrel. It had no markings other than two very small barrel proof marks, which I couldn't even make out. The barrel was octagon to round, very slender at the breech with one very weak wedding band. The stock was very slender, more so than any other trade gun I've ever seen. It also had no serpent side plate but a simple brass plate. Another gun trader there said it was a Belgian made trade gun for the African natives. He said these were made or at least sold up until the 1950's out of a catalog called Stokers. He didn't want much for it but I would have been afraid to load it too hot as the barrel was soon thin at the breech. Does anyone know more about this type of gun? bb - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 15:01:04 EDT From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List:History Channel Hello the camp Here are a few programs that might be of interest Monday on the History Channel. 12 AM to 4 PM Mountain time also earlier starting at 6 AM Frontier Legends 12 Noon Rogers Rangers 1 PM Pontiac's Rebellion 2 PM Long Knifes 3 PM Tecumseh Louisiana Purchase 7 PM Technology of Lewis and Clark 8 PM Thanks Mark "Roadkill" Loader - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 15:11:33 -0400 From: "Jim Zeigler" Subject: MtMan-List: TL&R Question Hello the camp: I have been an associate member of the AMM for abour 15 yrs now. Somehow I left my membership lapse and am now missing the last two issues (nov. 02, and feb. 03 ) of the TL&R. I have saved all the issues since joining and would really appreciate any help in getting these back issues....Thank you in advance..jim kodiak@ptd.net ps: Please respond off list as I fully understand this is off topic.... - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:22:26 -0400 (EDT) From: TheGreyWolfe@webtv.net (The Grey Wolfe) Subject: MtMan-List: Straighting Antler Ho the List! I've got a nice piece of crown end antler that I what to rehaft and old knife blade with,my question to the group is can I boil and soften like bone so I can straighten it for a better fit ? Your Servant, Michael A. Smith http://community.webtv.net/TheGreyWolfe/THELONGHUNTERSCAMP - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 16:41:39 -0600 (MDT) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List:History Channel Mark, The "Technology of L&C" special features members of the group I belong to, the Lewis & Clark Honor Guard of Great Falls, Montana. They'll be the ones pulling around the dugout on a cart. Thought you might like to know. Beaverboy > Hello the camp > Here are a few programs that might be of interest Monday on the History > Channel. > 12 AM to 4 PM Mountain time also earlier starting at 6 AM > Frontier Legends > 12 Noon Rogers Rangers > 1 PM Pontiac's Rebellion > 2 PM Long Knifes > 3 PM Tecumseh > > Louisiana Purchase 7 PM > > Technology of Lewis and Clark 8 PM > > Thanks Mark "Roadkill" Loader > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:26:32 EDT From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List:History Channel Beaver boy which one are you and who else? Thanks for the info Mark - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:29:01 EDT From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Straighting Antler Michael I did not know you could boil and soften bone Mark "Roadkill" Loader - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:16:12 -0600 (MDT) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List:History Channel Mark, I'm not in it. I was there bright and early with the rest of the crew but had to leave. I didn't mind. I've been with the group on lots of other shoots and most of them really are a pain. Lots of takes after takes. I'm not sure how much they are going to use but they were mostly interested in our dugout, tools and having some of our youngest members filmed for the show. So don't be surprised if all you see of most of the guys are their feet and legs as they pull the dugout. I don't have the History Channel but will see a tape sooner or later. We did a shoot for the BBC several years ago were we pulled one of our dugouts again. Since they already had British actors for the roles they only filmed our hands, feet and legs and long shots. So our feet,and legs are up for acting awards! We did the show Extreme Cuisine, on the food channel, a few years ago where we cooked a bunch of dead critters. I cooked a beaver. I really don't care if I ever look in a camera again. We, as a group, are more concerned about educating and inspiring the public about this incredibly era in American history. I did find myself on the enternet the other day. Go to Altavista, Images and type in Beaver Skinner. Thats me. I remember that guy taking that picture. It's a posed photo but I was in the process of skinning a beaver for the crowd. One photographer asked me to remove my brass wedding ring and I told him,"No! I bought this brass ring here at the fort, take your picture quick as I have a beaver to skin". He took it quick. You got to love them journalist! bb I hope the History Channel does justice for the boys. They really work hard and know their stuff. They are the greatest bunch of guys I've had the honor of being associated with. > Beaver boy which one are you and who else? > Thanks for the info > Mark > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 07:27:39 -0600 From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TL&R Question Answered off list. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:22:59 -0700 From: Pat Quilter Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Trade Gun? For what it's worth The man who made the silent-movie documentary "Nanook of the North" also made one called "Grass" in about 1923-4, that records the annual migration of a nomadic tribe across a large mountain range, I think in Asia, before this event was lost to encroaching civilization. Highlights include swimming the tribe's animals across a raging river using large bladders for flotation. amd chopping a path across the snow-bound pass. The first part of the film records the filming expedition making the first motorized trek across 1000 miles of trackless desert, a feat in itself. Anyway, their native guide and hunter uses a long trade gun similar to the Belgian one described below. They filmed a kill (obviously staged for the camera) but he is described as a deadly shot despite the crudeness of the weapon. So this corroborates in a general way that these trade guns continued to be sold into undeveloped regions that needed an extremely low-tech weapon. This film was released on laser disc some years ago, it may now be available on more popular formats. Was the trade gun for sale a flinter or percussion? Pat Quilter - -----Original Message----- From: beaverboy@sofast.net [mailto:beaverboy@sofast.net] Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 11:18 PM To: hist_text@xmission.com Subject: MtMan-List: Trade Gun? Dear List, I was at the Gun Show today and one merchant had a trade gun of sorts for sale. Perhaps someone knows more about it. It seem to be about .20 ga with a 52" barrel. It had no markings other than two very small barrel proof marks, which I couldn't even make out. The barrel was octagon to round, very slender at the breech with one very weak wedding band. The stock was very slender, more so than any other trade gun I've ever seen. It also had no serpent side plate but a simple brass plate. Another gun trader there said it was a Belgian made trade gun for the African natives. He said these were made or at least sold up until the 1950's out of a catalog called Stokers. He didn't want much for it but I would have been afraid to load it too hot as the barrel was soon thin at the breech. Does anyone know more about this type of gun? bb - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:14:03 -0600 (MDT) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Trade Gun & Nanook It was a flinter. The lock was in almost new condition. The gun as a whole was in fair condition but the furniture fit poorly etc. He was asking only $150 for it and was firm. It would have made an interesting piece to carry around the woods but I'm not sure I would have wanted to load it up good like I do with my North Star. There were 3 other guys interested in it and I figured they needed it more than me. I swore I would not buy another gun when I walked in there. I bought only 2 books and a first-aid kit. The one book is The Plainsmen of the Yellowstone by Mark Brown and is a very good read. The other book is a reprint of an old trapping book originally printed in 1881, Camp Life in the Woods and tricks of trapping by W.Hamilton Gibson isbn 1-58574-482-4 It has some very interesting and now illegal traps illustrated in it. One thing that instantly caught my eye was a drawing of a "Bird whistle" but it is clearly a diaphragm call! This is an 1881 book too! These diaphragm calls have been around for a long time evidently! I saw "Nanook of the North" a year ago on the Turner Classic channel and it is an excellent film! I thought Johnny Carson was always kidding when he'd mention Nanook of the North. If any get the chance to see "Nanook" watch it. It is a classic documentary! I still recall the scene were Nanook catches a artic fox in a trap and simply hog tied it until they built a snow igloo. It was the only way he could keep it from freezing solid before he could skin it out. Very interesting. bb > For what it's worth > The man who made the silent-movie documentary "Nanook of the North" also > made one called "Grass" in about 1923-4, that records the annual migration > of a nomadic tribe across a large mountain range, I think in Asia, before > this event was lost to encroaching civilization. Highlights include > swimming > the tribe's animals across a raging river using large bladders for > flotation. amd chopping a path across the snow-bound pass. The first part > of > the film records the filming expedition making the first motorized trek > across 1000 miles of trackless desert, a feat in itself. Anyway, their > native guide and hunter uses a long trade gun similar to the Belgian one > described below. They filmed a kill (obviously staged for the camera) but > he > is described as a deadly shot despite the crudeness of the weapon. So this > corroborates in a general way that these trade guns continued to be sold > into undeveloped regions that needed an extremely low-tech weapon. This > film - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 08:07:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald Schrotter Subject: MtMan-List: Jim Bridger Hi Tom! Hope all is well with you and yours. A friend of mine from Kentucky is planning a trip west, and is passing through Kansas City. He was wondering exactly where Jim Bridger was buried, and I couldn't remember. I know it is in one of the suburbs, and used to know the cemetery name, but it has escaped me. Can you help me out? Thanks, Ron __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. 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