From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1210 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, June 19 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1210 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Bull elk ivory -       Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse -       Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse -       Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse -       MtMan-List: New items ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:36:19 +0000 From: "Michael Powell" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bull elk ivory

Mark,

There is a buckskinner (not an AMM Bro) by the name of "Bear Piss", I'll have to find his Christain name and address for you, who lives in Big Piney, WY who told me he has a couple of jars of elk teeth that he has collected over the years and he would be willing to part with some.  I'm not sure on price.  Are you interested?  I will get you more info on how to contact him.

Later

Mike Powell

AMM #1769
POISON RIVER PARTY
"Ride, Ride, Ride"
"Aux Aliments du Pays"!
>From: MarkLoader@aol.com
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>Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:08:41 EDT
>
>Hello the Camp
>I need some pairs of bull elk ivory for Indian articles anyone have any they
>would part with. Need to be bull not cow and complete with root.
>Thanks Mark Roadkill Loader
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MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:00:02 -0600 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00E6_01C335CB.D291A760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mr Banks I apologize for making you have to look the mule stuff up but I asure = you that they died when I read it. Or at least in my befumbabled memory = anyway. The outfit that Zenas was hooked up with seemed inexperienced = and and poorly led so I assumed they had the wrong type tree. It may = have been some other problem but even if there arn't any around there = now I would still wonder if time has changed the vegitation. There are = many examples where that is the case and I have heard many who believe = that the fauna looked very different back then. =20 Wynn Ormond ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Banks=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 10:37 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse Mr. Ormond, I had to check my source again and I would refer you to the following: page 21 of the journal - Jan. 8th, paraphrasing, "the horses were = dead and the men were figuring to pack their mechandize on the two mules = and themselves" page 40 of the journal - April 20th, again the two mules are alive but = weak and the party stops because they've found sweet cottonwood and are = allowing the mules to "recruit from their suffering". I believe the = mules and men did make it back to the mouth of the Laramie River in = June. The opinion I expressed about the cottonwood trees was that of a = botanist who has spent many years studying the trees of Wyoming. In the = area where Zenas spent the winter, as near as anyone can tell, there is = only one species of cottonwood. And that provides the mystery of why at = the downstream area of the river the tree bark was edible. I don't know = if in the winter of 1831 that there were two species of cottonwood = growing in that area. I have been in that area a number of times, = hunting, fishing etc, and in my limited knowledge of botany, have not = noticed more than one type of cottonwood. In fact there are very few = trees even left!! I have wondered where that trapping party found = enough trees to build what buildings they had. There is know remaining = evidence of their camp, so the mystery remains! Steve Banks=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Wynn Ormond=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse Mr Banks=20 It has been a while since I read Zenas but I believe all the animals = died the mules were just slower about it. The men carried everything = out on their own backs. Secondly, there is nothing mysterious like = chemicals in the trees. There are different types of cottonwoods and = the broad leaf has a sweet inner bark the narrow doesn't.=20 However dispite Zenas's experience and as I posted before there is = plenty of evidnece that this method of wintering horses worked most of = the time. Wynn Ormond =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Banks=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:58 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse Dorothy, Zenas Leonard's account from "Adventures of a Mountain Man:" gives = an answer to your question. They had to stay a winter on the upper = Laramie River and this was their experience. You can read about it = starting on page 19 - 21. The cottonwood bark here had a different = characteristic from the bark they had been feeding lower downstream on = the Laramie River. Unfortunatly the horses starved because they refused = to eat the bark in this winter camp. Only the mules survived. I've = investigated this with a friend of mine and his opinion was that the = bitterness was caused by some mineral that was absorbed in the tree. = There is a lot of a low grade aluminum mineral around the Laramie area = and this might be a possibility. For your interest, I have retraced = Leonard's route from the mouth of the Laramie River to its source at = Chambers Lake at the foot of Cameron Pass in Colorado. Hope this helps = some. Steve Banks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DOROTHY MORRIS=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 12:57 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse Can anyone tell me how a Mountain Man took fed his horse while = up at a trapping camp during a Rocky Mountain Winter? I hear the horses = ate the inner bark of the cottonwood tree, but how was it gathered and = by whom? Did the horses roam at will to eat and risk being food for = wolves? Were there enough cottonwood trees? What else did they eat? = What were the logistics of this situation? Anyone know? Love to hear = from you. DKM - ------=_NextPart_000_00E6_01C335CB.D291A760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mr Banks
I apologize for making you have to look the mule = stuff up=20 but I asure you that they died when I read it.  Or at least in my=20 befumbabled memory anyway.  The outfit that Zenas was hooked up = with seemed=20 inexperienced and and poorly led so I assumed they had the wrong type=20 tree.  It may have been some other problem but even if there = arn't any=20 around there now I would still wonder if time has changed=20 the vegitation.  There are many examples where that is the = case and I=20 have heard many who believe that the fauna looked very different = back=20 then.  
 
Wynn Ormond
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Steve = Banks=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 = 10:37=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Mountain Man's=20 horse

Mr. Ormond,
I had to check my source again and I would = refer you to=20 the following:
page 21 of the journal - Jan. 8th, = paraphrasing, =20 "the horses were dead and the men were figuring to pack their = mechandize on=20 the two mules and themselves"
page 40 of the journal - April 20th, again the = two mules=20 are alive but weak and the party stops because they've found sweet = cottonwood=20 and are allowing the mules to "recruit from their suffering".  I = believe=20 the mules and men did make it back to the mouth of the Laramie River = in=20 June.
The opinion I expressed about the cottonwood = trees was=20 that of a botanist who has spent many years studying the trees of=20 Wyoming.  In the area where Zenas spent the winter, as near as = anyone can=20 tell, there is only one species of cottonwood.  And that provides = the=20 mystery of why at the downstream area of the river the tree bark was=20 edible.  I don't know if in the winter of 1831 that there were = two=20 species of cottonwood growing in that area.  I have been in that = area a=20 number of times, hunting, fishing etc, and in my limited knowledge of = botany,=20 have not noticed more than one type of cottonwood.  In fact there = are=20 very few trees even left!!  I have wondered where that trapping = party=20 found enough trees to build what buildings they had.  There is = know=20 remaining evidence of their camp, so the mystery remains!
Steve Banks 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Wynn = Ormond=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 = 10:26=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Mountain Man's=20 horse

Mr Banks
 
It has been a while since I read Zenas but I = believe=20 all the animals died the mules were just slower about it.  The=20 men carried everything out on their own backs.  Secondly, = there is=20 nothing mysterious like chemicals in the trees.  There are = different=20 types of cottonwoods and the broad leaf has a sweet inner bark = the=20 narrow doesn't. 
 
However dispite Zenas's experience and as I = posted=20 before there is plenty of evidnece that this method of wintering = horses=20 worked most of the time.
Wynn Ormond
  
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Steve=20 Banks
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, = 2003 8:58=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Mountain=20 Man's horse

Dorothy,
Zenas Leonard's account from "Adventures = of a=20 Mountain Man:" gives an answer to your question.  They had to = stay a=20 winter on the upper Laramie River and this was their = experience.  You=20 can read about it starting on page 19 - 21.  The cottonwood = bark here=20 had a different characteristic from the bark they had been feeding = lower=20 downstream on the Laramie River.  Unfortunatly the horses = starved=20 because they refused to eat the bark in this winter camp.  = Only the=20 mules survived.  I've investigated this with a friend of mine = and his=20 opinion was that the bitterness was caused by some mineral that = was=20 absorbed in the tree.  There is a lot of a low grade aluminum = mineral=20 around the Laramie area and this might be a possibility.  For = your=20 interest, I have retraced Leonard's route from the mouth of the = Laramie=20 River to its source at Chambers Lake at the foot of Cameron Pass = in=20 Colorado.  Hope this helps some.
Steve Banks
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 DOROTHY=20 MORRIS
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Sunday, June 08, = 2003 12:57=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: = Mountain Man's=20 horse

Can anyone tell me how a Mountain Man took fed his horse = while up=20 at a trapping camp during a Rocky Mountain Winter?  I hear = the=20 horses ate the inner bark of the cottonwood tree, but how was it = gathered and by whom? Did the horses roam at will to eat and = risk being=20 food for wolves? Were there enough cottonwood = trees? =20 What else did they eat?  What were the logistics of this=20 situation?  Anyone know?  Love to hear from you.
 
=
DKM
= - ------=_NextPart_000_00E6_01C335CB.D291A760-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:07:49 -0600 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01C335CC.E90AB760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ms Morris You have two options. Spend a ton of time and effort and do it right or = just do what most novelists do and don't bother with the details. Just = tell everyone about all the research don't do it. The kind of research = that will make a difference can be had only by reading for thousands of = hours and then applying what you have learned by putting together an = outift like your charactors would have and then getting on the ground = with it. If they have to live a winter feeding horses with cottonwood = bark guess what you have to do next winter? Wynn Ormond =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DOROTHY MORRIS=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 11:36 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse Thank you so much, Jim Hardee, I am a novelist, beginning research on that time and place. My book is = not about the mountain men in general, but about something specific that = happens to one of them. However, I like to be as authentic as possible = and to take no more poetic license than I have to. I will definitely go = to the site you recommend. Much appreciation, Dorothy Morris, Santa Clarita, CA ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Casapy123@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 8:27 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse You will find numerous mention of feeding cottonwood bark to horses. = Besides Leonard, Osbourne Russell also comes to mind. Another good = reference is William Ashley. In his lengthy letter to General Henry = Atkinson (often referred to as Ashley's narrative) you will find several = passages that mention feeding sweet cottonwood bark to horses. Ashley = also differentiates between the sweet and bitter variety of cottonwood. = He describes the bitter bark as the round-leafed tree and the sweet bark = as the narrow leafed tree. This is a contrast between the populus = angustifolia (bitter) and the populus angulata (sweet) cottonwoods. = Ashley claims that the sweet cottonwood is no where to be found in the = mountains and most of his references occur while on the prairie. Harrison Dale's book, "The Ashley/Smith Explorations and the = Discovery of a Central Route to the Pacific, 1822-1829" (published by = Arthur Clark Company, Glendale, CA 1941) has recently been reprinted by = either Oklahoma or Nebraska press. But you can also go on-line to = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/mmarch.html. At this site you will = find Russel, the Ashley narrative and many other reference sources. You = can download them and do a search for "cottonwood" which will bring you = to these citations. Let me know if I can help in any other way. Jim Hardee, AMM #1676 - ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01C335CC.E90AB760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ms Morris
 
You have two options.  Spend a ton of time = and effort=20 and do it right or just do what most novelists do and don't bother with = the=20 details.  Just tell everyone about all the research don't do = it.  The=20 kind of research that will make a difference can be had only by reading = for=20 thousands of hours and then applying what you have learned by = putting=20 together an outift like your charactors would have and then getting on = the=20 ground with it.  If they have to live a winter feeding horses with=20 cottonwood bark guess what you have to do next winter?
 
Wynn Ormond 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DOROTHY = MORRIS=20
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 = 11:36=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Mountain Man's=20 horse

Thank you so much, Jim Hardee,
 
I am a novelist, beginning research on that time and place. My = book is=20 not about the mountain men in general, but about something specific = that=20 happens to one of them. However, I like to be as authentic as possible = and to=20 take no more poetic license than I have to.  I will definitely go = to the=20 site you recommend.
 
Much appreciation,
Dorothy Morris, Santa Clarita, CA
----- Original Message -----
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 = 8:27=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Mountain Man's=20 horse

You will find numerous mention of feeding = cottonwood bark=20 to horses. Besides Leonard, Osbourne Russell also comes to mind. = Another=20 good reference is William Ashley. In his lengthy letter to General = Henry=20 Atkinson (often referred to as Ashley's narrative) you will find = several=20 passages that mention feeding sweet cottonwood bark to horses. = Ashley also=20 differentiates between the sweet and bitter variety of cottonwood. = He=20 describes the bitter bark as the round-leafed tree and the sweet = bark as the=20 narrow leafed tree.  This is a contrast between the populus=20 angustifolia (bitter) and the populus angulata (sweet) cottonwoods. = Ashley=20 claims that the sweet cottonwood is no where to be found in the = mountains=20 and most of his references occur while on the = prairie.

Harrison=20 Dale's book, "The Ashley/Smith Explorations and the Discovery of a = Central=20 Route to the Pacific, 1822-1829" (published by Arthur Clark Company, = Glendale, CA 1941) has recently been reprinted by either Oklahoma or = Nebraska press. But you can also go on-line to http://www.xmis= sion.com/~drudy/mtman/mmarch.html.=20 At this site you will find Russel, the Ashley narrative and many = other=20 reference sources. You can download them and do a search for = "cottonwood"=20 which will bring you to these citations.

Let me know if I can = help in=20 any other way.

Jim Hardee, AMM=20 #1676
- ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01C335CC.E90AB760-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:28:35 -0700 From: "DOROTHY MORRIS" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C335F1.56E84940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mr Ormond, The bits and pieces of information from you generous Mountain Men have = already helped me tremendously. With the pages and pages I have from = other places on the internet, I have enough information to complete my = task. As I said, the book is not about the trapping industry or the = lives of Mountain Men.only one situation; however, I did not want to = write drivel. =20 Thanks to all of you. Dorothy K Morris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Wynn Ormond=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse Ms Morris You have two options. Spend a ton of time and effort and do it right = or just do what most novelists do and don't bother with the details. = Just tell everyone about all the research don't do it. The kind of = research that will make a difference can be had only by reading for = thousands of hours and then applying what you have learned by putting = together an outift like your charactors would have and then getting on = the ground with it. If they have to live a winter feeding horses with = cottonwood bark guess what you have to do next winter? Wynn Ormond =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DOROTHY MORRIS=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 11:36 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse Thank you so much, Jim Hardee, I am a novelist, beginning research on that time and place. My book = is not about the mountain men in general, but about something specific = that happens to one of them. However, I like to be as authentic as = possible and to take no more poetic license than I have to. I will = definitely go to the site you recommend. Much appreciation, Dorothy Morris, Santa Clarita, CA ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Casapy123@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 8:27 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse You will find numerous mention of feeding cottonwood bark to = horses. Besides Leonard, Osbourne Russell also comes to mind. Another = good reference is William Ashley. In his lengthy letter to General Henry = Atkinson (often referred to as Ashley's narrative) you will find several = passages that mention feeding sweet cottonwood bark to horses. Ashley = also differentiates between the sweet and bitter variety of cottonwood. = He describes the bitter bark as the round-leafed tree and the sweet bark = as the narrow leafed tree. This is a contrast between the populus = angustifolia (bitter) and the populus angulata (sweet) cottonwoods. = Ashley claims that the sweet cottonwood is no where to be found in the = mountains and most of his references occur while on the prairie. Harrison Dale's book, "The Ashley/Smith Explorations and the = Discovery of a Central Route to the Pacific, 1822-1829" (published by = Arthur Clark Company, Glendale, CA 1941) has recently been reprinted by = either Oklahoma or Nebraska press. But you can also go on-line to = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/mmarch.html. At this site you will = find Russel, the Ashley narrative and many other reference sources. You = can download them and do a search for "cottonwood" which will bring you = to these citations. Let me know if I can help in any other way. Jim Hardee, AMM #1676 - ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C335F1.56E84940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mr Ormond,
 
The bits and pieces of information from you generous Mountain Men = have=20 already helped me tremendously.  With the pages and pages I have = from other=20 places on the internet, I have enough information to complete my = task.  As=20 I said, the book is not about the trapping industry or the lives of = Mountain=20 Men=85only one situation; however, I did not want to write drivel.  =
 
Thanks to all of you.
 
Dorothy K Morris
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 = 6:07=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Mountain Man's=20 horse

Ms Morris
 
You have two options.  Spend a ton of = time and=20 effort and do it right or just do what most novelists do and don't = bother with=20 the details.  Just tell everyone about all the research don't do=20 it.  The kind of research that will make a difference can be had = only by=20 reading for thousands of hours and then applying what you have = learned by=20 putting together an outift like your charactors would have and then = getting on=20 the ground with it.  If they have to live a winter feeding horses = with=20 cottonwood bark guess what you have to do next winter?
 
Wynn Ormond 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DOROTHY = MORRIS=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 = 11:36=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Mountain Man's=20 horse

Thank you so much, Jim Hardee,
 
I am a novelist, beginning research on that time and place. My = book is=20 not about the mountain men in general, but about something specific = that=20 happens to one of them. However, I like to be as authentic as = possible and=20 to take no more poetic license than I have to.  I will = definitely go to=20 the site you recommend.
 
Much appreciation,
Dorothy Morris, Santa Clarita, CA
----- Original Message ----- =
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 = 8:27=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Mountain=20 Man's horse

You will find numerous mention of feeding = cottonwood=20 bark to horses. Besides Leonard, Osbourne Russell also comes to = mind.=20 Another good reference is William Ashley. In his lengthy letter to = General=20 Henry Atkinson (often referred to as Ashley's narrative) you will = find=20 several passages that mention feeding sweet cottonwood bark to = horses.=20 Ashley also differentiates between the sweet and bitter variety of = cottonwood. He describes the bitter bark as the round-leafed tree = and the=20 sweet bark as the narrow leafed tree.  This is a contrast = between the=20 populus angustifolia (bitter) and the populus angulata (sweet)=20 cottonwoods. Ashley claims that the sweet cottonwood is no where = to be=20 found in the mountains and most of his references occur while on = the=20 prairie.

Harrison Dale's book, "The Ashley/Smith = Explorations and=20 the Discovery of a Central Route to the Pacific, 1822-1829" = (published by=20 Arthur Clark Company, Glendale, CA 1941) has recently been = reprinted by=20 either Oklahoma or Nebraska press. But you can also go on-line to = http://www.xmis= sion.com/~drudy/mtman/mmarch.html.=20 At this site you will find Russel, the Ashley narrative and many = other=20 reference sources. You can download them and do a search for = "cottonwood"=20 which will bring you to these citations.

Let me know if I = can help=20 in any other way.

Jim Hardee, AMM=20 = #1676
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