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hist_text-digest      Friday, November 14 2003      Volume 01 : Number 1267



In this issue:

-       Re: MtMan-List: EARLY RUSTIC ARMS
-       Re: MtMan-List: EARLY RUSTIC ARMS
-       Re: MtMan-List: Beaver Skinning
-       Re: MtMan-List: bedding
-       Re: MtMan-List: Beaver Skinning
-       MtMan-List: X Question
-       Re: MtMan-List: X Question
-       Re: MtMan-List: X Question
-       Re: MtMan-List: X Question
-       Re: MtMan-List: Beaver Skinning
-       Re: MtMan-List: X Question
-       MtMan-List: Cleaning a water bottle
-       Re: MtMan-List: X Question
-       Re: MtMan-List: Cleaning a water bottle
-       Re: MtMan-List: Beaver Skinning

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:47:42 -0500
From: "bruce chamberlain" <swettfoot@msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: EARLY RUSTIC ARMS

My friend ordered a Militia Musket Kit  last November from them. He didn't 
receive it until this August. Phone calls to them were either not answered 
or he felt he was getting excuses from them. When the kit arrived the stock 
was too thin for a true musket and the metal parts needed a whole lot of 
work. He felt some of the castings were made from The Rifle Shop parts and 
were therefor smaller
than if he had ordered the parts directly from The Rifle Shop. He is going 
to make a New England fowler out of it and some other parts in his shop. 
It's too bad, as he was planning on doing more business with them if 
everything turned out O.K. The guns on their web site look nice and maybe 
they concentrate more on their custom orders...I don't know.
Bruce

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>To: "amm lists" <ammlist@lists.xmission.com>
>Subject: MtMan-List: EARLY RUSTIC ARMS
>Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:32:05 -0600
>
>Has anyone heard anything good or bad about this outfit in Kentucky ?
>
>Pendleton
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:01:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Schrivener <farseer@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: EARLY RUSTIC ARMS

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A friend of mine just got a 1st model brown bess from them.   He was very pleased with the service, and the musket is a nice piece of work.   BIG darn gun though, I will tell you that, weighs as much as I do.   :)
 
Todd/Missouri Territory

larry pendleton <yellowroseforge@vzinet.com> wrote:
Has anyone heard anything good or bad about this outfit in Kentucky ?

Pendleton

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<DIV>A friend of mine just got a 1st model brown bess from them.&nbsp;&nbsp; He was very pleased with the service, and the musket is a nice piece of work.&nbsp;&nbsp; BIG darn gun though, I will tell you that, weighs as much as I do.&nbsp;&nbsp; :)</DIV>
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<DIV>Todd/Missouri Territory<BR><BR><B><I>larry pendleton &lt;yellowroseforge@vzinet.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:59:49 +0000
From: "Sean Boushie" <flintlocknfur@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver Skinning

I have to agree. Clean skinning is nice if you have the patience for it,..I 
don't.  Problem is beaver don't have that "extra" membrane that most mammals 
do that allows you to pull the hide from the body. Its the same membrane you 
have to get off before you brain tan. They store most of their fat reserves 
under the skin for insulation and/or protection, therefore you have to cut 
it off. You can either flesh the way you mentioned, but that leaves marks or 
scores on the hide if your not perfect at it. Those may downgrade the hide 
to a lower price depending on who you sell to and what they are going to do 
with it. Try just using a five foot piece of 6" pvc pipe tucked into you 
belly with the hide pinched between you and it, and the other end butt 
against a wall or stump, and a "knife" made out of 2"x 14"ish 1/4" flat 
stock. Wrap tape on the handles and square the 1/4" edge with a grinder so 
it has no roundness and push down and away from yourself. I think you'll 
find that a bit easier. One trick I use is after I get it fleshed and 
streched, pour boiling hot water on the flesh side and scrub it as hard as 
you can with a rough (notwire) brush. that will make the hide come out very 
white and clean. I usually get a better price at auction that way.

SMB


>From: beaverboy@sofast.net
>Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver Skinning
>Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:55:13 -0700 (MST)
>
>Wynn,
>    I think the method you are suggesting would be tough. You must be
>refering to clean skinning of beaver too. Most clean skinners lay them
>on a table or in a small trough (? did I spell that right?) Some I have
>seen use bungee cords in the aid of pulling off the hide as they skin
>it. There really is no easy way to skin a beaver.
>    Rough skinning is much easier but then as you know, it has to be
>fleshed. Either way you do it, practice makes perfect. I can rough
>skin, flesh, and tack on boards 3 little beaver in an hour and two
>blankets beaver in an hour.
>    The hide must be fairly clean when done. If there is too much left on
>it will show when the hide is dried. You will see white spots of fat,
>these can be scraped off afterwards but the hide will be much better
>looking if done right before it dries. Hides that have too much fat on
>them will not dry properly and be soft in those spots. You'll see what
>I mean.
>    Lots of the thinner membrane (the same as on rats) will simple dry up
>or melt away. This grease can be wiped away with paper towels.
>    Good luck,
>       bb
>
>
>
>
> > I know this has been talked about before but now I have gotten my hands
> > dirty I want to talk it again.  First of all I can't remember anyone
> > suggesting skinning out the hind legs then hanging the critter by the
> > holes in the fur and postioning the animal so its weight help pull the
> > hide off.  To try to explain it better.  The holes for the hind legs are
> > at the top tied up to whatever, the hair is inward, the body is at the
> > bottom tail down the hide just peels off as you go around it with your
> > knife.
> >
> > Secondly, you are all right fleshing is a b--------- .  The guy who was
> > showing me doesn't claim to be any expert but he used a slicing sideward
> > movement with a sharp blade, sharpened on one side only.  It was a move
> > that I would never do on a deer hide for fear of cutting the hell out of
> > it.  But it worked on the beaver.  The only question left that neither 
>of
> > us knew was how much do you need to take off.  We left it pretty clean 
>but
> > it still had a little slime to it.  It would remind me of not getting 
>all
> > the epedermis off a deer hide.  Is that good enough?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> > Wynn Ormond
> >
>
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Date: 13 Nov 2003 16:49:29 -0600
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bedding

Ahhh  -  the comforts of home.

On Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:21 PM, Ole Jensen <olebjensen@earthlink.=
net> wrote:
>Paul,
>I have all day and can make more than one trip.
>During the fur trade I would have probably had 3 mules or horses so I=20
>could haul my plews to Rendezvous or the nearest Fort. In the summer I=20
>would only have 2 blankets for the trip which I could carry on my mount.
>In the fall the party I was with would either head back to there last=20
>trapping area and set up for the trapping season or find a new area and=20
>do the same.
>I might even purchase an Iron pot at Rendezvous and bring it back to=20
>our trapping area , along with my Indian woman and her two pack=20
>annimals.
>Ole
>On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 08:31 AM, Paul Jones wrote:
>
>> Ole,
>>
>> What do you estimate the total weight to be of 1 Hudson bay, 1=20
>> Whitney, 2
>> Barron 5 point blankets wrapped with canvas, together with the=20
>> addition of 3
>> Hudson bay's and 1 Whitney as a ground pad wrapped with Russian=20
>> sheeting?
>> Can you carry this or does it require some other means of=20
>> transportation?
>> It will surely keep you warm and dry, but the bulk and weight seem=20
>> somewhat
>> intimidating in my view, and I would assume that this set-up is not=20
>> for a
>> walk-in situation, or am I mistaken?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ole Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
>> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bedding
>>
>>
>>> Don,
>>> For years I have used 1 hudson bay, 1 whitney, and 2 Barron 5 point
>>> blankets wraped with canvas.
>>> In the future I will use the same with the addition of 3 hudson bay's
>>> and 1 whitney as a ground pad wraped with russian sheating.
>>> Ole
>>> On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 07:00 PM, Phyllis and Don Keas=20
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wool blankets have always done me very well.  The coldest I have=20
>>>> slept
>>>> is 12 below and two Witneys.  I did all right, but now I am older and
>>>> plan on carrying three in the winter.  Old age you know.  Don
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, November 10, 2003 11:42 AM, roger lahti
>>>> <amm1719@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>> I got to agree with bb on bison robes being a pain if they get wet.
>>>>> But I
>>>>> suspect that, well I know my robe is warmer than an equivalent=20
>>>>> weight
>>>>> of
>>>>> wool blanket. To make the blankets warm at all you still need some
>>>>> sort of
>>>>> air barrier like a canvas bed roll to cut the air movement by the
>>>>> blanket.
>>>>> The robe comes with it's own barrier but it's not water repellent at
>>>>> all.
>>>>> Brain tan is very light though when done right with plenty of hide
>>>>> shaving
>>>>> to get it thin as possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> I still have good use for my wool blankets.
>>>>>
>>>>> Capt. Lahti
>>>>>
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:44:54 -0700 (MST)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver Skinning

 One trick I use is after I get it fleshed and
> streched, pour boiling hot water on the flesh side and scrub it as hard as
> you can with a rough (notwire) brush. that will make the hide come out
> very
> white and clean. I usually get a better price at auction that way.

  Sean,
     That could only cook the hide which is why it turns white! I thought
I heard and saw it all but never heard of this method!? I don't
recommend it. Freezing half wet hides I heard turn them white too.
Thats better than pouring boiling water on them anyway.
    Some things just cannot be properly discussed in type. It's just too
hard to explain how to put up pelts in print, it has to be seen first
hand to learn how to do. But I don't recommend pouring boiling water
on any hide. Sorry Sean. Remeber the old rule of thumb on braining
hides- "If it's too hot to stick your hand in, it's too hot for a
hide".
   bb


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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:55:30 -0700
From: "Wynn Ormond" <cheyenne@pcu.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: X Question

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Real quick. =20

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you have any better ones.  Need it tonight if possible.

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:53:00 -0700 (MST)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: X Question

X-wife


> Real quick.
>
> A young friend of mine has been asked by his teacher for a mountain man
> word that starts with X.  I have a couple of ideas but I want to see if
> you have any better ones.  Need it tonight if possible.
>
> Wynn Ormond
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:53:00 -0700 (MST)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: X Question

X-wife


> Real quick.
>
> A young friend of mine has been asked by his teacher for a mountain man
> word that starts with X.  I have a couple of ideas but I want to see if
> you have any better ones.  Need it tonight if possible.
>
> Wynn Ormond
>


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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:56:44 -0500
From: "Jason Chasse" <jchasse@gwi.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: X Question

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  ABSAROKA: Crow Territory. The Crow word means "Land of the =
Sparrow-Hawk People."=20
  APISHEMORE: Saddle Pad=20

  ARWERDENTY: Liquor. A corruption of the Spanish.=20

  BLACK YOUR FACE AGAINST (TO): To be at war with. From the Indian =
custom of blacking the face to show the tribe is on the warpath.=20

  BOUDINS: Buffalo guts, a treat for the mountain gourmet.=20

  BUG'S BOYS: Children of Satan; the familiar name for the Blackfeet.=20

  BULLTHROWER: Rifle, usually of Hawken make.=20

  CACHE: To hide or conceal; applicable either to one's self or one's =
goods. Also used as a noun: the hidden goods; from the French. (See =
Naming the Cache la Poudre River )=20

  CHILD, COON, CRITTUR, BEAVER, NIGGUR: Interchangeable terms for =
person, either one's self or someone else. They did not necessarily =
carry a charge of denigration; the term nuggur was applied freely to =
white, red, and black men.=20

  COME (TO MAKE SOMEONE); To kill a person or animal, as in "I made two =
of the varmints come that day."=20

  COUNT COUP (TO): To execute a coup (to do a brave deed such as killing =
someone, scalping him, or striking him with a coup-stick):or to relate =
one's brave deeds in a formal manner.=20

  DUPONT: Gunpowder. From the name of the manufacturer.=20

  ENGAG=C9: A hired hand, sometimes French-Canadian. Of lower social =
status than a free trapper or a trapper contracted for part of his take; =
from the French.=20

  FOOFURAW: Trinkets, doodads, decorative trivia fancied by women, =
especially Indian women. By extension, the quality of having a fancy for =
the same, as in, "She was a deal too foofuraw to suit me."=20

  GALENA: Lead for balls.=20

  GO UNDER (TO): To die or be killed, usually the latter. Gone beaver =
was used in the same sense, but only in that past participle form.=20

  GREEN RIVER: A knife. From the name of the manufacturer, not the name =
of the river. To shove it in to the Green River meant to shove the knife =
in to the hilt, where the trademark of the manufacturer was engraved. By =
extension, to do anything up to the Green River meant to do it to the =
full.=20

  HA'R OF THE B'AR: To say that a man had the ha'r of the b'ar in him =
was a supreme form of praise. The expression probably came from the =
Indian belief that a man could become more brave by eating the hair of =
the grizzly bear.=20

  HAWKEN: A rifle. The most valued rifle in the mountains was the =
flintlock model made by the Hawken brothers.=20

  HUMPRIBS: The small ribs that support the hump of the buffalo. See =
also meatbag.=20

  LEV=C9, LECH=C9 LEGO; wake up, turn out. Usually used in combination =
(Possibly a corruption of the French.)=20

  MANGEUR DE LARD: Literally, eater of pork in French. Figuratively, an =
inexperienced man. Said of a man who is used to the diet of the =
settlements (which would include pork) and not of the mountains (almost =
exclusively buffalo meat) Always a term of denigration.=20

  MEATBAG: Stomach, or an animal or human being. The trappers frequently =
applied the terms they used for buffalo anatomy (fleece, humpribs, =
boudins) to human beings.=20

  OLD EPHRAIM: Grizzly bear.=20

  ON THE PERAIRA: Free. As in "He gave me a rifle on the peraira." =
Peraira is a dialectical version of prairie.=20

  PLEW: Beaver pelt. A corruption of the French plus.=20

  POOL BULL, FAT COW: Figuratively, poor eating, living, or times, as =
opposed to good eating, living or times. A trapper might mention that he =
was forced to eat crickets and comment, "That was poor bull, sure." To =
know poor bull from fat cow was to know what was what, what was bad and =
what was good, to understand mountain ways. Derived from the fact that, =
except as calving time, the meat of the bull would be more muscular and =
less fatty than the meat of a cow, therefore tougher and less enjoyable. =


  POSSIBLES, POSSIBLE SACK: Equipment; sack for carrying equipment.=20

  SHINE (TO): To suffice, to be suitable or good. As in, "Red blood =
don't shine." Shinin' suggested fine or splendid, as in, "Them was =
shinin' times."=20

  SHOT IN THE LIGHTS (TO BE): To be shot in the vitals.=20

  SOME: Remarkable, admirable. "That Jed was some, now. He had the ha'r =
of the b'ar in him. Wagh!"=20

  TAOS LIGHTNING: A potent liquor.=20

  VIDE-POCHE: Literally, empty-pocket. Usually said of French-Canadians, =
French speakers of Indian-white descent, etc. Figuratively, the =
equivalent of worthless no-good.=20

  VOYAGEUR: Boatman, usually French-Canadian. Voyageurs did the hard =
pulling (cordeling) to get a keelboat upriver. They were widely thought =
to be cowards and therefore held in contempt by the trappers.=20

  WAGH: An exclamation of surprise, admiration, etc. Sounded like a =
grunt.=20

  THE WAY THE STICK FLOATS: To know the way the stick floats was to know =
what's up, what's what. Only an experienced mountain man would be said =
to know the way the stick floats. The expression came from the use of a =
float stick attached to a beaver trap to indicate where the trap was if =
the beaver swam away with it. Its meaning was extended to suggest =
knowing the ways of the mountain.=20



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<UL><STRONG>ABSAROKA: Crow Territory. The Crow word means "Land of the=20
  Sparrow-Hawk People." </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>APISHEMORE: Saddle Pad </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>ARWERDENTY: Liquor. A corruption of the Spanish. </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>BLACK YOUR FACE AGAINST (TO): To be at war with. From the =
Indian=20
  custom of blacking the face to show the tribe is on the warpath. =
</STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>BOUDINS: Buffalo guts, a treat for the mountain gourmet. =
</STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>BUG'S BOYS: Children of Satan; the familiar name for the =
Blackfeet.=20
  </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>BULLTHROWER: Rifle, usually of Hawken make. </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>CACHE: To hide or conceal; applicable either to one's self =
or one's=20
  goods. Also used as a noun: the hidden goods; from the French. (See <A =

  href=3D"http://www.over-land.com/cache.html">Naming the Cache la =
Poudre River=20
  </A>) </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>CHILD, COON, CRITTUR, BEAVER, NIGGUR: Interchangeable terms =
for=20
  person, either one's self or someone else. They did not necessarily =
carry a=20
  charge of denigration; the term <I>nuggur </I>was applied freely to =
white,=20
  red, and black men. </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>COME (TO MAKE SOMEONE); To kill a person or animal, as in =
"I made=20
  two of the varmints come that day." </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>COUNT COUP (TO): To execute a coup (to do a brave deed such =
as=20
  killing someone, scalping him, or striking him with a coup-stick):or =
to relate=20
  one's brave deeds in a formal manner. </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>DUPONT: Gunpowder. From the name of the manufacturer. =
</STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>ENGAG=C9: A hired hand, sometimes French-Canadian. Of lower =
social=20
  status than a free trapper or a trapper contracted for part of his =
take; from=20
  the French. </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>FOOFURAW: Trinkets, doodads, decorative trivia fancied by =
women,=20
  especially Indian women. By extension, the quality of having a fancy =
for the=20
  same, as in, "She was a deal too foofuraw to suit me." </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>GALENA: Lead for balls. </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>GO UNDER (TO): To die or be killed, usually the latter. =
Gone beaver=20
  was used in the same sense, but only in that past participle form. =
</STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>GREEN RIVER: A knife. From the name of the manufacturer, =
not the=20
  name of the river. To <I>shove it in to the Green River </I>meant to =
shove the=20
  knife in to the hilt, where the trademark of the manufacturer was =
engraved. By=20
  extension, to do anything <I>up to the Green River</I> meant to do it =
to the=20
  full. </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>HA'R OF THE B'AR: To say that a man had the ha'r of the =
b'ar in him=20
  was a supreme form of praise. The expression probably came from the =
Indian=20
  belief that a man could become more brave by eating the hair of the =
grizzly=20
  bear. </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>HAWKEN: A rifle. The most valued rifle in the mountains was =
the=20
  flintlock model made by the Hawken brothers. </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>HUMPRIBS: The small ribs that support the hump of the =
buffalo. See=20
  also <I>meatbag. </I></STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>LEV=C9, LECH=C9 LEGO; wake up, turn out. Usually used in =
combination=20
  (Possibly a corruption of the French.) </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>MANGEUR DE LARD: Literally, <I>eater of pork </I>in French. =

  Figuratively, an inexperienced man. Said of a man who is used to the =
diet of=20
  the settlements (which would include pork) and not of the mountains =
(almost=20
  exclusively buffalo meat) Always a term of denigration. </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>MEATBAG: Stomach, or an animal or human being. The trappers =

  frequently applied the terms they used for buffalo anatomy (fleece, =
humpribs,=20
  boudins) to human beings. </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>OLD EPHRAIM: Grizzly bear. </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>ON THE PERAIRA: Free. As in "He gave me a rifle on the =
peraira."=20
  <I>Peraira </I>is a dialectical version of <I>prairie. </I></STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>PLEW: Beaver pelt. A corruption of the French <I>plus.=20
</I></STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>POOL BULL, FAT COW: Figuratively, poor eating, living, or =
times, as=20
  opposed to good eating, living or times. A trapper might mention that =
he was=20
  forced to eat crickets and comment, "That was poor bull, sure." To =
<I>know=20
  poor bull from fat cow </I>was to know what was what, what was bad and =
what=20
  was good, to understand mountain ways. Derived from the fact that, =
except as=20
  calving time, the meat of the bull would be more muscular and less =
fatty than=20
  the meat of a cow, therefore tougher and less enjoyable. </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>POSSIBLES, POSSIBLE SACK: Equipment; sack for carrying =
equipment.=20
  </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>SHINE (TO): To suffice, to be suitable or good. As in, "Red =
blood=20
  don't shine." <I>Shinin'</I> suggested fine or splendid, as in, "Them =
was=20
  shinin' times." </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>SHOT IN THE LIGHTS (TO BE): To be shot in the vitals. =
</STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>SOME: Remarkable, admirable. "That Jed was some, now. He =
had the=20
  ha'r of the b'ar in him. Wagh!" </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>TAOS LIGHTNING: A potent liquor. </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>VIDE-POCHE: Literally, empty-pocket. Usually said of=20
  French-Canadians, French speakers of Indian-white descent, etc. =
Figuratively,=20
  the equivalent of worthless no-good. </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>VOYAGEUR: Boatman, usually French-Canadian. Voyageurs did =
the hard=20
  pulling (cordeling) to get a keelboat upriver. They were widely =
thought to be=20
  cowards and therefore held in contempt by the trappers. </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>WAGH: An exclamation of surprise, admiration, etc. Sounded =
like a=20
  grunt. </STRONG>
  <P><STRONG>THE WAY THE STICK FLOATS: To know the way the stick floats =
was to=20
  know what's up, what's what. Only an experienced mountain man would be =
said to=20
  know the way the stick floats. The expression came from the use of a =
float=20
  stick attached to a beaver trap to indicate where the trap was if the =
beaver=20
  swam away with it. Its meaning was extended to suggest knowing the =
ways of the=20
  mountain. </STRONG></P>
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href=3D"http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/amm/gloss.html"><STRONG>http://www=
.xmission.com/~drudy/amm/gloss.html</STRONG></A></P>
  <P>&nbsp;</P>
  <P>Try these pard</P>
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 05:12:45 +0000
From: "Sean Boushie" <flintlocknfur@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver Skinning

Oh yes I agree this is one thing ya just gotta learn by doin.  I learned 
that water thing from Fuzzy Barton himself years ago, no I would never do 
that to a deer hide, but I always got a better price. I'd agree even more if 
the pelt was going for fur instead of to the hatter.  Its definately 
something NOT to try on any other animal. Didn't we discuss this before??


>From: beaverboy@sofast.net
>Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver Skinning
>Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:44:54 -0700 (MST)
>
>  One trick I use is after I get it fleshed and
> > streched, pour boiling hot water on the flesh side and scrub it as hard 
>as
> > you can with a rough (notwire) brush. that will make the hide come out
> > very
> > white and clean. I usually get a better price at auction that way.
>
>   Sean,
>      That could only cook the hide which is why it turns white! I thought
>I heard and saw it all but never heard of this method!? I don't
>recommend it. Freezing half wet hides I heard turn them white too.
>Thats better than pouring boiling water on them anyway.
>     Some things just cannot be properly discussed in type. It's just too
>hard to explain how to put up pelts in print, it has to be seen first
>hand to learn how to do. But I don't recommend pouring boiling water
>on any hide. Sorry Sean. Remeber the old rule of thumb on braining
>hides- "If it's too hot to stick your hand in, it's too hot for a
>hide".
>    bb
>
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:27:00 -0800
From: "roger lahti" <amm1719@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: X Question

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Wonderful post Kit but which one of these words starts with an X? <G>

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:04:55 +1300
From: Dunc <duncanm@ihug.co.nz>
Subject: MtMan-List: Cleaning a water bottle

If you have a water bottle ( plastic or metal) or maybe a coffee pot which 
has been forgotten and got a bit stinky,stained or mouldy,or even a crusty 
old cup, a good way to clean it is to use the sterilizer tablets used to 
clean baby bottles, I have found one to two tablets in hot water will clean 
a water bottle spotless in a couple of days soaking.These tablets are 
obviously non toxic but the do have a slight bleach smell which  may need 
to be rinsed out of a coffee or tea pot.

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:03:21 +0000
From: amm1616@comcast.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: X Question

Wynn,
   One I can think of off the top of my head is
"X" Beidler. He is found associated with the John
Johnson story. But you can always look through the 1700+
names in the data base I did a few years ago for Dean's web
site and look through all the mountain men's names and 
see if find any. 
                  mike.
 P.s. I will be updating the list in about 6 months- I
think I can add about 200 more names to the list. With 
many more references to the men.
> X-wife
> 
> 
> > Real quick.
> >
> > A young friend of mine has been asked by his teacher for a mountain man
> > word that starts with X.  I have a couple of ideas but I want to see if
> > you have any better ones.  Need it tonight if possible.
> >
> > Wynn Ormond
> >
> 
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 06:28:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Samuel Keller <wolftalk_98@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cleaning a water bottle

Clean out my Coffee Pot???? It took me 20 years to get
it where it would make dood coffee.

- --- Dunc <duncanm@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> If you have a water bottle ( plastic or metal) or
> maybe a coffee pot which 
> has been forgotten and got a bit stinky,stained or
> mouldy,or even a crusty 
> old cup, a good way to clean it is to use the
> sterilizer tablets used to 
> clean baby bottles, I have found one to two tablets
> in hot water will clean 
> a water bottle spotless in a couple of days
> soaking.These tablets are 
> obviously non toxic but the do have a slight bleach
> smell which  may need 
> to be rinsed out of a coffee or tea pot.
> 
> Cheers Dunc 
> 
> 
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:19:56 EST
From: TrapRJoe@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver Skinning

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I read what you all have said about skinning and fleshing beaver. While I am 
sure many of you can clean skin a beaver, I can't.  Sam Greasel was the best I 
ever saw. He could clean skin a beaver in just a little over 10 min.  He 
bragged it and I timed him. He did it without getting in a rush.  As for fleshing 
the best way I have found was shown to me by a man working for what used to be 
the Hudson Bay Co., Now called the North American Fur Exchange, it think.  
You simply lay the hide over your leg and flesh with a razor sharp knife, 
pushing the fat and meat away from you.  The extra feel you get with your leg keep 
you from going to deep.  Also notice I said push the fat and meat away from 
you, if you slice, you will cut the hide. Your knife must be razor sharp, usually 
requiring the use of the hone many times and about one knife per hide if you 
have a good knife, before resharpening. It help if the knife is thin 
thickness, and wide width and with a little flexion in the blade.

                                            TrapRJoe

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