From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1276 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, November 30 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1276 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: New Artifact Find! -       MtMan-List: N.W. Trade Gun Question -       RE: MtMan-List: N.W. Trade Gun Question -       Re: MtMan-List: N.W. Trade Gun Question -       Re: MtMan-List: N.W. Trade Gun Question -       MtMan-List: Frock coat? -       Re: MtMan-List: N.W. Trade Gun Question -       MtMan-List: waterproffing -       Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing -       RE: MtMan-List: Frock coat? -       Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing -       Re: MtMan-List: Frock coat? -       Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing -       Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing -       Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 12:55:49 -0700 (MST) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: MtMan-List: New Artifact Find! My friend Mike Morris has told my about Sgt. Patrick Gass's ax head located in a Interpretive center in Washington state on the north side of the Columbia river looking over the beautiful Pacific Ocean. I've been there and have seen the ax. It's wonderful to see actual artifacts of the expedition instead of reproductions. According to Mike, this is a Gass Ax so he felt it was OK now to use a chainsaw on his primitive campouts as Gassaxe's can be documented! I thought you might get a chuckle out of that. bb - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 18:27:37 -0500 From: "Jim Zeigler" Subject: MtMan-List: N.W. Trade Gun Question This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3B76F.A1B34880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello List: Can anyone tell me a site where I might be able to sell my = N.W. Trade Gun....thanks in advance for any help...jim - ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3B76F.A1B34880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 


Hello List: Can anyone tell me a = site where I=20 might be able to sell my
N.W. Trade Gun....thanks in advance = for any=20 help...jim
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Hi Jim,  try http://www.historicaltrekking.com/blanket.shtml for selling items.  Randy
 
 
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Hello List: Can anyone tell me a site where I might be able to sell my
N.W. Trade Gun....thanks in advance for any help...jim
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Try www.auctionarms.com, or a list=20 :)
 
Regards,
 
Ad
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Would it happen to be a lefty?

Frank Sablan
Midland,Texas - --part1_8f.35845e7e.2cfbf724_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:09:16 EST From: Mdrougas@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Frock coat? - --part1_b0.41e90a90.2cfbfccc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To the list, I wrote in about a year age for help on some brain tan pantaloons I was going to make. Your advise worked out great. there very comfortable and warm. Thanks much. My next project is a brain tan frock. I've seen many, I check out Crazy's site alot and saw the picture of his. I get the tomahawk and long rifle mag , on the trail and muzzleloader. saw plenty in there. What advise can you give? I thinking of a no frills type. pretty basic. I don't want to use a pattern, I think. Or should I? How would you start if not using a pattern? Thanks in advance and thanks again for the help with the pantaloons. My wife really likes these rather than my old "diaper bottom" trousers:). Michael (Mike) J. Drougas Yakima County, Wa. - --part1_b0.41e90a90.2cfbfccc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To the list,
       I wrote in about a year age for help on= some brain tan pantaloons I was going to make. Your advise worked out great= . there very comfortable and warm. Thanks much.
       My next project is a brain tan frock. I= 've seen many, I check out Crazy's site alot and saw the picture of his. I g= et the tomahawk and long rifle mag , on the trail and muzzleloader. saw plen= ty in there. What advise can you give? I thinking of a no frills type. prett= y basic. I don't want to use a pattern, I think. Or should I? How would you=20= start if not using a pattern?
       Thanks in advance and thanks again for=20= the help with the pantaloons. My wife really likes these rather than my old=20= "diaper bottom" trousers:).
             =20=               =20=               =20= Michael (Mike) J. Drougas
             =20=               =20=               =20= Yakima County, Wa. - --part1_b0.41e90a90.2cfbfccc_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:42:45 -0500 From: "Jim Zeigler" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: N.W. Trade Gun Question This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3B78A.E42B03E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Frank: I'm sorry it's a righty...jim Jim, Would it happen to be a lefty? Frank Sablan Midland,Texas - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3B78A.E42B03E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Frank: I'm sorry it's a=20 righty...jim
 

Jim,
Would it happen to be a = lefty?

Frank=20 Sablan
Midland,Texas - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3B78A.E42B03E0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:22:13 -0700 From: James and Sue Stone Subject: MtMan-List: waterproffing Looking to waterproof a cows knee. I have some pure mink oil (no silicon) and some real beeswax. What proportions of each should I use? Sparks - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:23:28 -0500 From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing try 50/50 D - ----- Original Message ----- From: "James and Sue Stone" To: Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:22 PM Subject: MtMan-List: waterproffing > Looking to waterproof a cows knee. I have some pure mink oil (no > silicon) and some real beeswax. What proportions of each should I use? > > Sparks > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:35:35 -0800 From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Frock coat? - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Mike, I made a new brain tanned coat this spring. I pondered and worried and etc..., about how to make, what pattern, etc.... I finally decided my old commercial tan coat (which I was replacing) had always worked great, so I took it apart and used for a pattern. I am happy with it. It is simple and practicle, which I think is a safe bet when making old timey clothing. I can send you a pic if you wish. Let me know. Randy - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: hist_text@xmission.com Cc: Mdrougas@aol.com Sent: 11/30/03 6:09:17 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Frock coat? To the list, I wrote in about a year age for help on some brain tan pantaloons I was going to make. Your advise worked out great. there very comfortable and warm. Thanks much. My next project is a brain tan frock. I've seen many, I check out Crazy's site alot and saw the picture of his. I get the tomahawk and long rifle mag , on the trail and muzzleloader. saw plenty in there. What advise can you give? I thinking of a no frills type. pretty basic. I don't want to use a pattern, I think. Or should I? How would you start if not using a pattern? Thanks in advance and thanks again for the help with the pantaloons. My wife really likes these rather than my old "diaper bottom" trousers:). Michael (Mike) J. Drougas Yakima County, Wa. - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Mike, I made a new brain tanned coat this spring.  I pondered and worried and etc..., about how to make, what pattern, etc....  I finally decided my old commercial tan coat (which I was replacing) had always worked great, so I took it apart and used for a pattern.  I am happy with it.  It is simple and practicle, which I think is a safe bet when making old timey clothing.  I can send you a pic if you wish.  Let me know.  Randy
 
 
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To the list,
       I wrote in about a year age for help on some brain tan pantaloons I was going to make. Your advise worked out great. there very comfortable and warm. Thanks much.
       My next project is a brain tan frock. I've seen many, I check out Crazy's site alot and saw the picture of his. I get the tomahawk and long rifle mag , on the trail and muzzleloader. saw plenty in there. What advise can you give? I thinking of a no frills type. pretty basic. I don't want to use a pattern, I think. Or should I? How would you start if not using a pattern?
       Thanks in advance and thanks again for the help with the pantaloons. My wife really likes these rather than my old "diaper bottom" trousers:).
                                         Michael (Mike) J. Drougas
                                         Yakima County, Wa.
- ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:39:30 -0800 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing Or a mix that works for your conditions. 50/50 is a good place to start. If it's too hard then increase the oil, if too soft, increase the wax. Capt. Lahti' - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Double Edge Forge" To: Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:23 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing > try 50/50 > > D > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James and Sue Stone" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:22 PM > Subject: MtMan-List: waterproffing > > > > Looking to waterproof a cows knee. I have some pure mink oil (no > > silicon) and some real beeswax. What proportions of each should I use? > > > > Sparks > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:37:29 -0800 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Frock coat? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3B781.C6084200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, Not that I am an expert on making brain tan frocks but I did make a long = coat from a couple of elk size hides and a couple deer hides a few years = back. I agonized over that project for quite a while because of the = material I was going to cut into. Well I finally took a pattern, actually a basic hunting frock coat to = use so I knew what I might end up with. I think the coat came out quite = nice with some non critical special touches I incorporated on my own. = Flap pockets like on a Great Coat. A standup collar like on a military = coat. Short fringe at most seams for esthetics. Trimmed with green wool = blanket trimming from Pendleton. Nice bone buttons I had accumulated = over the years. But the most important thing I did was use a pattern of some kind. There = are quite a few coat/frock patterns around and I would encourage you to = find one you like and use it to decide how to best lay out and cut your = hides. Any questions or help needed, I'm just down the road a few miles. YMOS Capt. Lahti' Kennewick WA. - ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3B781.C6084200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mike,
 
Not that I am an = expert on making=20 brain tan frocks but I did make a long coat from a couple of elk size = hides and=20 a couple deer hides a few years back. I agonized over that project for = quite a=20 while because of the material I was going to cut into.
 
Well I finally took a = pattern,=20 actually a basic hunting frock coat to use so I knew what I might end up = with. I=20 think the coat came out quite nice with some non critical special = touches I=20 incorporated on my own. Flap pockets like on a Great Coat. A standup = collar like=20 on a military coat. Short fringe at most seams for esthetics. Trimmed = with green=20 wool blanket trimming from Pendleton. Nice bone buttons I had = accumulated over=20 the years.
 
But the most important = thing I did=20 was use a pattern of some kind. There are quite a few coat/frock = patterns around=20 and I would encourage you to find one you like and use it to decide how = to best=20 lay out and cut your hides.
 
Any questions or help = needed, I'm=20 just down the road a few miles.
 
YMOS
Capt. = Lahti'
 
Kennewick = WA.
  - ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3B781.C6084200-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:42:45 -0700 From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing - --------------040701080801080508070900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Dennis. Do I waterproof the inside as well as the outside of the cows knee? Just wondering. I ordered a couple pounds of beeswax. I'm sure I'll have enough left for the rest of the cow after I finish with the knee! ;-) Sparks Double Edge Forge wrote: >try 50/50 > >D > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "James and Sue Stone" >To: >Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:22 PM >Subject: MtMan-List: waterproffing > > > > >>Looking to waterproof a cows knee. I have some pure mink oil (no >>silicon) and some real beeswax. What proportions of each should I use? >> >>Sparks >> >> >>---------------------- >>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> >> > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > - --------------040701080801080508070900 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Dennis.
Do I waterproof the inside as well as the outside of the cows knee?  Just wondering.  I ordered a couple pounds of beeswax.  I'm sure I'll have enough left for the rest of the cow after I finish with the knee! ;-)
Sparks

Double Edge Forge wrote:
try 50/50

D



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Looking to waterproof a cows knee.  I have some pure mink oil (no 
silicon) and some real beeswax.  What proportions of each should I use?

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- --------------040701080801080508070900-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:00:33 -0700 From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing - --------------020405030408050208030004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Captain, I'll take that into consideration, sir. I suppose if the preparation crackles and peels off, it's too heavy to wax. Sparks roger lahti wrote: >Or a mix that works for your conditions. 50/50 is a good place to start. If >it's too hard then increase the oil, if too soft, increase the wax. > >Capt. Lahti' > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Double Edge Forge" >To: >Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:23 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing > > > > >>try 50/50 >> >>D >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "James and Sue Stone" >>To: >>Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:22 PM >>Subject: MtMan-List: waterproffing >> >> >> >> >>>Looking to waterproof a cows knee. I have some pure mink oil (no >>>silicon) and some real beeswax. What proportions of each should I use? >>> >>>Sparks >>> >>> >>>---------------------- >>>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >>> >>> >>> >> >>---------------------- >>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > - --------------020405030408050208030004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Captain,
I'll take that into consideration, sir.
I suppose if the preparation crackles and peels off, it's too heavy to wax.
Sparks

roger lahti wrote:
Or a mix that works for your conditions. 50/50 is a good place to start. If
it's too hard then increase the oil, if too soft, increase the wax.

Capt. Lahti'


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try 50/50

D



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Looking to waterproof a cows knee.  I have some pure mink oil (no
silicon) and some real beeswax.  What proportions of each should I use?

Sparks


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- --------------020405030408050208030004-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:41:35 -0800 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3B78A.BA0BA100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sparks, I suppose you could do without the wax all together. Probably the mike = oil will do an adequate job. It's not like it needs to be submersible. = On the other hand, a nice mix of bee's wax and some oil like olive or = etc. makes a nice water proofing an patch lube. Makes a nice lip balm = too. Just adjust the thickness or hardness so it's workable in the cold = and not runny in the heat. I'm not sure what the regular use of a "cows knee" was way back though I = have seen a picture of an original or at least original to the 19th = century at some time. What I use is an old wool sock with about half the = foot cut off. Works great. Keeps the snow off the lock, keeps the rain = off it too for a while, quite a while actually. And when you need to = shoot you just pull it back past the wrist a short ways and that exposes = the lock and trigger for your use. I'm also in the habit of not bothering with even the sock if I am = wearing my great coat. I keep the lock area under the skirts of the coat = grasping the coat edge and the gun at the normal balance point and let = the lock and butt stay under cover. And I keep the muzzle down. Anyway, the best deer hunting is in the rain right after a wet snow has = laid a lot of snow in the trees to plop out onto the deer. They don't = like that so they come out in the open. They don't mind the rain as much = as they mind being plopped on.=20 Have fun and keep your powder dry. Capt. Lahti' - ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3B78A.BA0BA100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sparks,
 
I suppose you could do = without the=20 wax all together. Probably the mike oil will do an adequate job. It's = not like=20 it needs to be submersible. On the other hand, a nice mix of bee's wax = and some=20 oil like olive or etc. makes a nice water proofing an patch lube. Makes = a nice=20 lip balm too. Just adjust the thickness or hardness so it's workable in = the cold=20 and not runny in the heat.
 
I'm not sure what the = regular use=20 of a "cows knee" was way back though I have seen a picture of an = original or at=20 least original to the 19th century at some time. What I use is an old = wool sock=20 with about half the foot cut off. Works great. Keeps the snow off the = lock,=20 keeps the rain off it too for a while, quite a while actually. And when = you need=20 to shoot you just pull it back past the wrist a short ways and that = exposes the=20 lock and trigger for your use.
 
I'm also in the habit = of not=20 bothering with even the sock if I am wearing my great coat. I keep the = lock area=20 under the skirts of the coat grasping the coat edge and the gun at the = normal=20 balance point and let the lock and butt stay under cover. And I keep the = muzzle=20 down.
 
Anyway, the best deer = hunting is=20 in the rain right after a wet snow has laid a lot of snow in the trees = to plop=20 out onto the deer. They don't like that so they come out in the open. = They don't=20 mind the rain as much as they mind being plopped on.
 
Have fun and keep your = powder=20 dry.
 
Capt. = Lahti'
 
 
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