From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1288 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Saturday, December 27 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1288 In this issue: -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: tin marking -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Beginner needs help -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: CVA Pistol Assembly -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: marking tin -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help -牋牋牋 RE: MtMan-List: CVA Pistol Assembly -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help -牋牋牋 RE: MtMan-List: Gresham M/L Show... -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Tobaccy saves trappers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 18:23:37 -0600 From: John Dearing Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tin marking - --=====================_2563558==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Tin cups are notorious for burning the lips off your face when attempting >to drink hot liquids, so get rid of the tin and get each person thier own >distictively colored stonewear mug. I have one without a handle that fits >perfectly inside of my boiler, so space is not a problem, and the extra >weight is worth preventing burned lips when I'm out. ` J.D. >In a message dated 12/24/2003 5:37:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, >cheyenne@pcu.net writes: >How do you mark tin? > >Wynn, Another method I forgot to mention is wrapping the handle with trade >wool or leather..... Barney I have a big tin cup with a leather wrapped handle not for identification so much as insulation when cooking in the cup. I tied a couple of unusual beads to the handle for ID. Lanney - --=====================_2563558==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

Tin cups are notorious for burning the lips off your face when attempting to drink hot liquids, so get rid of the tin and get each person thier own distictively colored stonewear mug. I have one without a handle that fits perfectly inside of my boiler, so space is not a problem, and the extra weight is worth preventing burned lips when I'm out.

` J.D.

In a message dated 12/24/2003 5:37:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, cheyenne@pcu.net writes:

How do you mark tin?

Wynn, Another method I forgot to mention is wrapping the handle with trade wool or leather..... Barney

I have a big tin cup with a leather wrapped handle not for identification so much as insulation when cooking in the cup. I tied a couple of unusual beads to the handle for ID.
Lanney

- --=====================_2563558==.ALT-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 22:29:59 -0700 From: "Stuart Family" Subject: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Greetings, A good friend of mine has introduced my son and I to the world of the mountain men this past summer and we really enjoyed. In fact is has come to be something special between my son and I along with helping him with his reading problem as we read everything we can get our hands on...even started our own collection of stories that really enjoy. Anyway, he and I want to get starting in gear & clothing but with so much to do and so many things to get, I don't know where to start. Money doesn't grow on tress in our camp. I have wanted to start with some of the fun items (rifles, hawks, knives, etc.) but I know that the clothing makes a difference as well. Where should we start? ED - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 22:30:01 -0700 From: "Stuart Family" Subject: MtMan-List: CVA Pistol Assembly My son just got a CVA pistol for Christmas and I was wondering if anyone had any good tips on the assembly process that won't show up in the instructions. ED - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 23:10:05 -0700 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: marking tin Dog With a name like that I bet you don't refuse a cup to often. ;-) However, when you have three boys as well as yourself to keep track of stuff it is nice to know which cup is missing. You know that "Your responcible for your own stuff" type thing. On top of that when you think you have got your lid and then find out you have got someone elses you now have no idea where you even lost yours. Been there done that. Wynn - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Schrotter" To: "hist list" Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 7:05 AM Subject: MtMan-List: marking tin > A man what can't tell his own cup ain't spent enough > time on the trail! Besides which, if yer thirsty > enough, what difference does it make? A man offers a > cup, it's rude to refuse! Best of the season to all, > and may your camps be warm and the coffee hot. Cheers, Dog > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 23:37:57 -0700 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Dear Ed You came to a good place to ask and I bet we will warm up some keyboards answering your request. First of all it doesn't hurt to go where you interests lie, so don't put off the fun stuff to long. Second, a good mountaineer told me early on that there are few things in this game that can not be made yourself if money is a problem. Indeed there is a money/time and skill trade off. So here is my advise for what its worth. Decide what you want to start with. Like maybe an outfit, then refine and say I need pants. Then start asking around and studying everything you can get your hands on and start making some choices as to what you want to end up like. Maybe breach clout and leggings will be your thing or maybe you will make drop front trousers out of brain tanned leather you tanned yourself or maybe a pair of purchased cloth trousers also well researched and documented. If you go to a fair sized rendezvous you will see some sad looking feller headed West with holes in his stuff, a filthy hat, dirty leggings over wore out mocs. And walking the other direction you will see a feller that really takes pride in his outfit he has a fine animal skin headress, neat bright leathers and fancy factory mocs. This can be really fun and your excitement can make you equal to some old veterns although that may be hard for you to see. You will have to decide which way you want to go. But keep in mind, most of what you will get here will come from the feller headed West. You would be wise to heed his advise. Wynn Ormond - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Family" To: Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 10:29 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help > Greetings, > > A good friend of mine has introduced my son and I to the world of the > mountain men this past summer and we really enjoyed. In fact is has come to > be something special between my son and I along with helping him with his > reading problem as we read everything we can get our hands on...even started > our own collection of stories that really enjoy. > > Anyway, he and I want to get starting in gear & clothing but with so much to > do and so many things to get, I don't know where to start. Money doesn't > grow on tress in our camp. I have wanted to start with some of the fun > items (rifles, hawks, knives, etc.) but I know that the clothing makes a > difference as well. > > Where should we start? > > ED > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 23:56:12 -0700 (MST) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help > Greetings, > > A good friend of mine has introduced my son and I to the world of the > mountain men this past summer and we really enjoyed. In fact is has come > to > be something special between my son and I along with helping him with his > reading problem as we read everything we can get our hands on...even > started > our own collection of stories that really enjoy. > > Anyway, he and I want to get starting in gear & clothing but with so much > to > do and so many things to get, I don't know where to start. Money doesn't > grow on tress in our camp. I have wanted to start with some of the fun > items (rifles, hawks, knives, etc.) but I know that the clothing makes a > difference as well. > > Where should we start? > > ED > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 00:12:36 -0700 (MST) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Ed and All, Sorry for that false reply. Ed, didn't you say once you lived in Montana? If that is correct, there are some fun rendezvous on both sides of the hill that you should go to that will have everything you need or at least give you ideas. Good luck, bb > Greetings, > > A good friend of mine has introduced my son and I to the world of the > mountain men this past summer and we really enjoyed. In fact is has come > to > be something special between my son and I along with helping him with his > reading problem as we read everything we can get our hands on...even > started > our own collection of stories that really enjoy. > > Anyway, he and I want to get starting in gear & clothing but with so much > to > do and so many things to get, I don't know where to start. Money doesn't > grow on tress in our camp. I have wanted to start with some of the fun > items (rifles, hawks, knives, etc.) but I know that the clothing makes a > difference as well. > > Where should we start? > > ED > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 08:23:40 -0700 From: Ole Jensen Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Ed, You picked a great time to get started. There are so many things to choose from then when I started. What period of time are you interested in? You can get a nice pair of drop front pants and a drop sleved shirt from Jas Townsend and Son. A tent from Track of the Wolf. or Tent Smith. A hat from clear Water hat co. Get a blanket to make a Capote from the Army Navy store or the Blanket Brigade. Get a pair of Fugawne Brogans as well as sox from them. and your off. Make sure your wife come a long There are also paterns fabric suppliers Look at the links page for the AMM web site. There are so many ways and other ideas and I am sure others will give you moors choices. Ole On Thursday, December 25, 2003, at 10:29 PM, Stuart Family wrote: > Greetings, > > A good friend of mine has introduced my son and I to the world of the > mountain men this past summer and we really enjoyed. In fact is has > come to > be something special between my son and I along with helping him with > his > reading problem as we read everything we can get our hands on...even > started > our own collection of stories that really enjoy. > > Anyway, he and I want to get starting in gear & clothing but with so > much to > do and so many things to get, I don't know where to start. Money > doesn't > grow on tress in our camp. I have wanted to start with some of the fun > items (rifles, hawks, knives, etc.) but I know that the clothing makes > a > difference as well. > > Where should we start? > > ED > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:10:49 -0800 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Ed, I see that several others have posted on your question and given some good advice. I like to recommend "The Book Of Buckskinning" series put out by the publishers of Muzzle Loader magazine. I think it is up to about 8 volumes now. A new volume came out every few years over the past couple decades with the idea to answer questions such as yours. While they are not cheap in their total, going for somewhere around $16 per volume give or take a couple bucks, they are just jam packed with good useful info on virtually any topic you might be interested in concerning this hobby. I would also direct your attention to the work of Rex Allen Norman who has added to the Mt. Man Sketch Book series (a less expensive series of magazine sized books that deal with virtually every type of Persona from the matchlock era to the Mt. Man era). Rex has come up with a fairly well researched "sketch book" on specifically the Mt. Man, what his gear was like, what he wore, what he shot, on and on. It's probably the cheapest bit of info you could come up with right off. Most of the suttlers that you would find at Rendezvous or on line will sell such books and more. I'll add that one in your position might do some reading before doing any buying or making. Though you can make most of your gear, you can also make gear that is not correct to the period by copying what you see at most rendezvous/shoots. A lot of new information has come out in recent years on what it really was like way back but many already have spent much time, effort and not a little money on their gear and are loath to throw it out and make new. You won't hurt yourself by going slow. YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:22:07 -0600 From: "Thom Frazier" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: CVA Pistol Assembly Ed, The instructions should do well. Don't try to remove the breech plug. If you have any problems e-mail me, I'd be glad to help. Weeping Heart Gunn Shoppe Thom Frazier 36732 Oak Point Rd. New York Mills MN 56567 218-385-2074 mnthom@arvig.net - -----Original Message----- From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Family Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 11:30 PM To: hist_text@xmission.com Subject: MtMan-List: CVA Pistol Assembly My son just got a CVA pistol for Christmas and I was wondering if anyone had any good tips on the assembly process that won't show up in the instructions. ED - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 16:07:25 -0600 From: "John McKee" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Ed, You didn't say whether you have been to any rendezvous in your area. Have your friend point you towards a good 'primitive' one and then take a camera with you and not a lot $$$. Most folks that camp for the duration in the primitive area of any good rendezvous will talk yer ear off if given half a chance. Take the time to figure out what you want to wander into the wilderness AS and that will help you decide on your overall outfit. Don't jump in until you test the water. Just my two cents. John The Stitchin' Scotsman 100% Handsewn Elkhide garments and moccasins Manu Forti www.stitchinscotsman.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Family" To: Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 11:29 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help > Greetings, > > A good friend of mine has introduced my son and I to the world of the > mountain men this past summer and we really enjoyed. In fact is has come to > be something special between my son and I along with helping him with his > reading problem as we read everything we can get our hands on...even started > our own collection of stories that really enjoy. > > Anyway, he and I want to get starting in gear & clothing but with so much to > do and so many things to get, I don't know where to start. Money doesn't > grow on tress in our camp. I have wanted to start with some of the fun > items (rifles, hawks, knives, etc.) but I know that the clothing makes a > difference as well. > > Where should we start? > > ED > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:01:51 -0700 From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help - --------------020703020505050700030808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And know that not only can you make "way out off period correct," there is also a lot of it at rondezvous. Although this isn't merchandise, I will tell you I have seen an Army of Northern Virginia Battle Flag flying from a teepee in a pre-1840 event...reminds me of the time someone tried to sell me a "pre Civil War" GAR button. GAR being the Grand Army of the Republic, a fraternal organization for Union veterans of the Civil War. In short, watch what you buy! Sparks John McKee wrote: >Ed, > You didn't say whether you have been to any rendezvous in your area. >Have your friend point you towards a good 'primitive' one and then take a >camera with you and not a lot $$$. Most folks that camp for the duration in >the primitive area of any good rendezvous will talk yer ear off if given >half a chance. Take the time to figure out what you want to wander into the >wilderness AS and that will help you decide on your overall outfit. > Don't jump in until you test the water. Just my two cents. John > > > > >The Stitchin' Scotsman >100% Handsewn Elkhide garments >and moccasins >Manu Forti >www.stitchinscotsman.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Stuart Family" >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 11:29 PM >Subject: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help > > > > >>Greetings, >> >>A good friend of mine has introduced my son and I to the world of the >>mountain men this past summer and we really enjoyed. In fact is has come >> >> >to > > >>be something special between my son and I along with helping him with his >>reading problem as we read everything we can get our hands on...even >> >> >started > > >>our own collection of stories that really enjoy. >> >>Anyway, he and I want to get starting in gear & clothing but with so much >> >> >to > > >>do and so many things to get, I don't know where to start. Money doesn't >>grow on tress in our camp. I have wanted to start with some of the fun >>items (rifles, hawks, knives, etc.) but I know that the clothing makes a >>difference as well. >> >>Where should we start? >> >>ED >> >> >>---------------------- >>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> >> > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > - --------------020703020505050700030808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And know that not only can you make "way out off period correct," there is also a lot of it at rondezvous. Although this isn't merchandise, I will tell you I have seen an Army of Northern Virginia Battle Flag flying from a teepee in a pre-1840 event...reminds me of the time someone tried to sell me a "pre Civil War" GAR button. GAR being the Grand Army of the Republic, a fraternal organization for Union veterans of the Civil War. In short, watch what you buy!
Sparks

John McKee wrote:

Ed,
    You didn't say whether you have been to any rendezvous in your area.
Have your friend point you towards a good 'primitive' one and then take a
camera with you and not a lot $$$. Most folks that camp for the duration in
the primitive area of any good rendezvous will talk yer ear off if given
half a chance. Take the time to figure out what you want to wander into the
wilderness AS and that will help you decide on your overall outfit.
    Don't jump in until you test the water.  Just my two cents.    John




The Stitchin' Scotsman
100% Handsewn Elkhide garments
and moccasins
Manu Forti
www.stitchinscotsman.com

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From: "Stuart Family" <EJSRB@worldnet.att.net>
To: <hist_text@xmission.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 11:29 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help

Greetings,

A good friend of mine has introduced my son and I to the world of the
mountain men this past summer and we really enjoyed.  In fact is has come

to

be something special between my son and I along with helping him with his
reading problem as we read everything we can get our hands on...even

started

our own collection of stories that really enjoy.

Anyway, he and I want to get starting in gear & clothing but with so much

to

do and so many things to get, I don't know where to start.  Money doesn't
grow on tress in our camp.  I have wanted to start with some of the fun
items (rifles, hawks, knives, etc.) but I know that the clothing makes a
difference as well.

Where should we start?

ED


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- --------------020703020505050700030808-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:30:36 -0800 From: "De Santis, Nick" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Gresham M/L Show... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3CC19.0776697C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy, =20 I picked up a flyer that says January 17 & 18, 2004. The contact name is Gerry and Trudy Lane (503) 661-2159. =20 Travler =20 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of SWcushing@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 9:43 PM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: MtMan-List: Gresham M/L Show... =20 Howdy Boys, Anyone know the dates for the Gresham, OR, M/L show? Usualy held in January sometime.... Thanks, Magpie - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3CC19.0776697C Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Howdy,

I picked up a flyer that says = January 17 & 18, 2004. The contact name is Gerry and Trudy Lane (503) = 661-2159.

Travler

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Howdy Boys,
Anyone know the dates for the Gresham, OR, M/L show? Usualy held in = January sometime....

Thanks,
Magpie

=00 - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3CC19.0776697C-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 21:22:25 -0800 From: "RICK TABOR" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Ed, Another good source is the Goodwill. A wool blanket is a wool blanket. They generally sell fabric for $1 a yard. I have even picked up Dyer moccasins there. Talk to the manager, tell them you will give a bounty for any striped wool blanket. I have picked up 3 Hudson Bay and numerous no name that way.I give the manager$5 and have never paid over $20 for a blanket. You can pick up tin plates, cups and even period silverware. Stay away from the enamel ware. It screams pilgrim. If you are looking for guns run an ad in the money saver or nickel ads. You'll be amazed how many guns were bought during the bi-centennial and gathering dust.Buy them cheap. You can always trade. Good luck, Rick _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy a special introductory offer for dial-up Internet access � limited time only! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:22:18 -0700 (MST) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: MtMan-List: Tobaccy saves trappers Dear List, Does anyone know where the I read about some trappers thinking that smoking their pipe kept them alive during a blizzard? The title heading read something like "Smoking pipe keeps trappers alive". I can't find it. Any help out there? Thanks for any help in advance, bb - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1288 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.