From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1289 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, December 28 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1289 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help -       Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help -       Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help -       Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help -       Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help -       MtMan-List: Reward forTobaccy -       Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help -       Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help -       Re: MtMan-List: Tobaccy saves trappers -       Re: MtMan-List: Reward forTobaccy -       Re: MtMan-List: Tobaccy saves trappers -       Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help -       Re: MtMan-List: Reward forTobaccy -       Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:57:19 -0600 From: John Dearing Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help The good Captain gives good advice, but there is more. 1 Take your time. 2 Decide what time period and geographic area you want to portray. 3 Read everything you can get your hands on about that time period. 4 Ask more questions of KNOWLEDGEABLE people. 5 DO NOT take peoples advice at rendezvous for what you need. Most don't know beans about history, but are more than willing to sell you some item, or another, that you WON'T need. 6 Don't believe what anyone tells you about "common knowledge history". 99.99% of it is wrong. Ask for a source of that item or information, and then RESEARCH that item before you buy. Researching an item before you buy will save money in the long run. Especially big ticket items. 7 Avoid the gottahaves. For the most part, you don't gottahave nothing, other than basic clothing and camp equipment. 8 learn to sew, both leather and cloth. 9 buy GOOD patterns for complicated items, pants, knee britches, etc. Simple things like shirts or hunting pouches don't require patterns...usually. Depending on your knowledge of sewing. 10 Beg, borrow, or buy GOOD books on making clothing and equipment. Making your own gear is allot less expensive than buying those items, and you will probably come to appreciate good hand made items. Not to mention time and fabric saved by using GOOD patterns and instructions. 11 DO NOT mix clothing from different time periods. It looks hokey, and identifies the wearer as someone who either doesn't know their history, or doesn't care. 12 search the Internet for instructions for making clothing, moccasins, camp gear, guns etc. Here are a few sites to get you started. I like the colonial period,can you tell? ;-) http://members.aol.com/liv18thc/index.html http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pitttext http://www.aspecialplace.net/MariesCookbook/18th_century_recipes.htm http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award99/icuhtml/fawhome.html http://www.nativetech.org/ http://www.liming.org/alra/ This last page has an outstanding reading list, but don't let my emphasis on research deter you from getting involved in the sport. Not everyone has to become an amateur historian to participate, but it does increase the enjoyment of the rendezvous/re-enactment experience to know the history surrounding your chosen time period. By adhering to the advice given by the good Captain, myself, and a few others on this list, you will gather good items that you will need without spending lots of hard earned cash. And get what you need on the first purchase as opposed to buying something you don't need and having to trade that item off to acquire a more proper one. J.D. >I see that several others have posted on your question and given some good >advice. I like to recommend "The Book Of Buckskinning" series put out by the >publishers of Muzzle Loader magazine. I think it is up to about 8 volumes >now. A new volume came out every few years over the past couple decades with >the idea to answer questions such as yours. While they are not cheap in >their total, going for somewhere around $16 per volume give or take a couple >bucks, they are just jam packed with good useful info on virtually any topic >you might be interested in concerning this hobby. > >I would also direct your attention to the work of Rex Allen Norman who has >added to the Mt. Man Sketch Book series (a less expensive series of magazine >sized books that deal with virtually every type of Persona from the >matchlock era to the Mt. Man era). Rex has come up with a fairly well >researched "sketch book" on specifically the Mt. Man, what his gear was >like, what he wore, what he shot, on and on. It's probably the cheapest bit >of info you could come up with right off. > >Most of the suttlers that you would find at Rendezvous or on line will sell >such books and more. I'll add that one in your position might do some >reading before doing any buying or making. Though you can make most of your >gear, you can also make gear that is not correct to the period by copying >what you see at most rendezvous/shoots. A lot of new information has come >out in recent years on what it really was like way back but many already >have spent much time, effort and not a little money on their gear and are >loath to throw it out and make new. You won't hurt yourself by going slow. > >YMOS >Capt. Lahti' > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:48:20 -0500 From: "DOUBLE EDGE FORGE" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Damned fine advice John.... Wish I would have had all those many Winters ago... D Double Edge Forge www.bright.net/~deforge1 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Dearing" To: Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 11:57 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help > The good Captain gives good advice, but there is more. > > 1 Take your time. > 2 Decide what time period and geographic area you want to portray. > 3 Read everything you can get your hands on about that time period. > 4 Ask more questions of KNOWLEDGEABLE people. > 5 DO NOT take peoples advice at rendezvous for what you need. Most don't > know beans about history, but are more than willing to sell you some > item, or another, that you WON'T need. > 6 Don't believe what anyone tells you about "common knowledge history". > 99.99% of it is wrong. Ask for a source of that item or information, and > then RESEARCH that item before you buy. Researching an item before you buy > will save money in the long run. Especially big ticket items. > 7 Avoid the gottahaves. For the most part, you don't gottahave nothing, > other than basic clothing and camp equipment. > 8 learn to sew, both leather and cloth. > 9 buy GOOD patterns for complicated items, pants, knee britches, etc. > Simple things like shirts or hunting pouches don't require > patterns...usually. Depending on your knowledge of sewing. > 10 Beg, borrow, or buy GOOD books on making clothing and equipment. Making > your own gear is allot less expensive than buying those items, and you will > probably come to appreciate good hand made items. Not to mention time and > fabric saved by using GOOD patterns and instructions. > 11 DO NOT mix clothing from different time periods. It looks hokey, and > identifies the wearer as someone who either doesn't know their history, or > doesn't care. > 12 search the Internet for instructions for making clothing, moccasins, > camp gear, guns etc. > > Here are a few sites to get you started. I like the colonial period,can you > tell? ;-) > > http://members.aol.com/liv18thc/index.html > > http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pitttext > > http://www.aspecialplace.net/MariesCookbook/18th_century_recipes.htm > > http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award99/icuhtml/fawhome.html > > http://www.nativetech.org/ > > http://www.liming.org/alra/ > > This last page has an outstanding reading list, but don't let my emphasis > on research deter you from getting involved in the sport. Not everyone has > to become an amateur historian to participate, but it does increase the > enjoyment of the rendezvous/re-enactment experience to know the history > surrounding your chosen time period. > > By adhering to the advice given by the good Captain, myself, and a few > others on this list, you will gather good items that you will need without > spending lots of hard earned cash. And get what you need on the first > purchase as opposed to buying something you don't need and having to trade > that item off to acquire a more proper one. > > J.D. > > > >I see that several others have posted on your question and given some good > >advice. I like to recommend "The Book Of Buckskinning" series put out by the > >publishers of Muzzle Loader magazine. I think it is up to about 8 volumes > >now. A new volume came out every few years over the past couple decades with > >the idea to answer questions such as yours. While they are not cheap in > >their total, going for somewhere around $16 per volume give or take a couple > >bucks, they are just jam packed with good useful info on virtually any topic > >you might be interested in concerning this hobby. > > > >I would also direct your attention to the work of Rex Allen Norman who has > >added to the Mt. Man Sketch Book series (a less expensive series of magazine > >sized books that deal with virtually every type of Persona from the > >matchlock era to the Mt. Man era). Rex has come up with a fairly well > >researched "sketch book" on specifically the Mt. Man, what his gear was > >like, what he wore, what he shot, on and on. It's probably the cheapest bit > >of info you could come up with right off. > > > >Most of the suttlers that you would find at Rendezvous or on line will sell > >such books and more. I'll add that one in your position might do some > >reading before doing any buying or making. Though you can make most of your > >gear, you can also make gear that is not correct to the period by copying > >what you see at most rendezvous/shoots. A lot of new information has come > >out in recent years on what it really was like way back but many already > >have spent much time, effort and not a little money on their gear and are > >loath to throw it out and make new. You won't hurt yourself by going slow. > > > >YMOS > >Capt. Lahti' > > > > > >---------------------- > >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:01:56 -0600 From: John Dearing Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help - --=====================_18542526==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Two more web pages of the western mountain man persuasion. ;-) http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm http://members.tripod.com/womenofthefurtrade/index.htm >Here are a few sites to get you started. I like the colonial period,can >you tell? ;-) > >http://members.aol.com/liv18thc/index.html > >http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pitttext > >http://www.aspecialplace.net/MariesCookbook/18th_century_recipes.htm > >http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award99/icuhtml/fawhome.html > >http://www.nativetech.org/ > >http://www.liming.org/alra/ > >This last page has an outstanding reading list, but don't let my emphasis >on research deter you from getting involved in the sport. Not everyone has >to become an amateur historian to participate, but it does increase the >enjoyment of the rendezvous/re-enactment experience to know the history >surrounding your chosen time period. > >By adhering to the advice given by the good Captain, myself, and a few >others on this list, you will gather good items that you will need without >spending lots of hard earned cash. And get what you need on the first >purchase as opposed to buying something you don't need and having to trade >that item off to acquire a more proper one. > >J.D. > > >>I see that several others have posted on your question and given some good >>advice. I like to recommend "The Book Of Buckskinning" series put out by the >>publishers of Muzzle Loader magazine. I think it is up to about 8 volumes >>now. A new volume came out every few years over the past couple decades with >>the idea to answer questions such as yours. While they are not cheap in >>their total, going for somewhere around $16 per volume give or take a couple >>bucks, they are just jam packed with good useful info on virtually any topic >>you might be interested in concerning this hobby. >> >>I would also direct your attention to the work of Rex Allen Norman who has >>added to the Mt. Man Sketch Book series (a less expensive series of magazine >>sized books that deal with virtually every type of Persona from the >>matchlock era to the Mt. Man era). Rex has come up with a fairly well >>researched "sketch book" on specifically the Mt. Man, what his gear was >>like, what he wore, what he shot, on and on. It's probably the cheapest bit >>of info you could come up with right off. >> >>Most of the suttlers that you would find at Rendezvous or on line will sell >>such books and more. I'll add that one in your position might do some >>reading before doing any buying or making. Though you can make most of your >>gear, you can also make gear that is not correct to the period by copying >>what you see at most rendezvous/shoots. A lot of new information has come >>out in recent years on what it really was like way back but many already >>have spent much time, effort and not a little money on their gear and are >>loath to throw it out and make new. You won't hurt yourself by going slow. >> >>YMOS >>Capt. Lahti' >> >> >>---------------------- >>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - --=====================_18542526==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Two more  web pages of the western mountain man persuasion. ;-)

http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm

http://members.tripod.com/womenofthefurtrade/index.htm

Here are a few sites to get you started. I like the colonial period,can you tell? ;-)

http://members.aol.com/liv18thc/index.html

http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pitttext

http://www.aspecialplace.net/MariesCookbook/18th_century_recipes.htm

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award99/icuhtml/fawhome.html

http://www.nativetech.org/

http://www.liming.org/alra/

This last page has an outstanding reading list, but don't let my emphasis on research deter you from getting involved in the sport. Not everyone has to become an amateur historian to participate, but it does increase the enjoyment of the rendezvous/re-enactment experience to know the history surrounding your chosen time period.

By adhering to the advice given by the good Captain, myself, and a few others on this list, you will gather good items that you will need without spending lots of hard earned cash. And get what you need on the first purchase as opposed to buying something you don't need and having to trade that item off to acquire a more proper one.

J.D.


I see that several others have posted on your question and given some good
advice. I like to recommend "The Book Of Buckskinning" series put out by the
publishers of Muzzle Loader magazine. I think it is up to about 8 volumes
now. A new volume came out every few years over the past couple decades with
the idea to answer questions such as yours. While they are not cheap in
their total, going for somewhere around $16 per volume give or take a couple
bucks, they are just jam packed with good useful info on virtually any topic
you might be interested in concerning this hobby.

I would also direct your attention to the work of Rex Allen Norman who has
added to the Mt. Man Sketch Book series (a less expensive series of magazine
sized books that deal with virtually every type of Persona from the
matchlock era to the Mt. Man era). Rex has come up with a fairly well
researched "sketch book" on specifically the Mt. Man, what his gear was
like, what he wore, what he shot, on and on. It's probably the cheapest bit
of info you could come up with right off.

Most of the suttlers that you would find at Rendezvous or on line will sell
such books and more. I'll add that one in your position might do some
reading before doing any buying or making. Though you can make most of your
gear, you can also make gear that is not correct to the period by copying
what you see at most rendezvous/shoots. A lot of new information has come
out in recent years on what it really was like way back but many already
have spent much time, effort and not a little money on their gear and are
loath to throw it out and make new. You won't hurt yourself by going slow.

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'


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- --=====================_18542526==.ALT-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:12:00 -0700 (MST) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help J.D. Yes, that is great advice if you want to be in an outfit in a couple of years and you were not a boy. His boy won't care about the era by time he does all that research. Go to a rendezvous, get a cheap outfit, have fun and get more serious from there if you want to. Strike while the iron is hot. The boy has the rest of his life to argue over what is authentic and what is not with everyone. I used to get real serious with beginners on primitive trekking and trapping now I just want them to have fun. They will get more into it if they enjoy it first. The boy needs to have fun and he is on a budget. just my opinion, bb > The good Captain gives good advice, but there is more. > > 1 Take your time. > 2 Decide what time period and geographic area you want to portray. > 3 Read everything you can get your hands on about that time period. > 4 Ask more questions of KNOWLEDGEABLE people. > 5 DO NOT take peoples advice at rendezvous for what you need. Most don't > know beans about history, but are more than willing to sell you some > item, or another, that you WON'T need. > 6 Don't believe what anyone tells you about "common knowledge history". > 99.99% of it is wrong. Ask for a source of that item or information, and > then RESEARCH that item before you buy. Researching an item before you buy > will save money in the long run. Especially big ticket items. > 7 Avoid the gottahaves. For the most part, you don't gottahave nothing, > other than basic clothing and camp equipment. > 8 learn to sew, both leather and cloth. > 9 buy GOOD patterns for complicated items, pants, knee britches, etc. > Simple things like shirts or hunting pouches don't require > patterns...usually. Depending on your knowledge of sewing. > 10 Beg, borrow, or buy GOOD books on making clothing and equipment. Making > your own gear is allot less expensive than buying those items, and you > will > probably come to appreciate good hand made items. Not to mention time and > fabric saved by using GOOD patterns and instructions. > 11 DO NOT mix clothing from different time periods. It looks hokey, and > identifies the wearer as someone who either doesn't know their history, or > doesn't care. > 12 search the Internet for instructions for making clothing, moccasins, > camp gear, guns etc. > > Here are a few sites to get you started. I like the colonial period,can > you > tell? ;-) > > http://members.aol.com/liv18thc/index.html > > http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pitttext > > http://www.aspecialplace.net/MariesCookbook/18th_century_recipes.htm > > http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award99/icuhtml/fawhome.html > > http://www.nativetech.org/ > > http://www.liming.org/alra/ > > This last page has an outstanding reading list, but don't let my emphasis > on research deter you from getting involved in the sport. Not everyone has > to become an amateur historian to participate, but it does increase the > enjoyment of the rendezvous/re-enactment experience to know the history > surrounding your chosen time period. > > By adhering to the advice given by the good Captain, myself, and a few > others on this list, you will gather good items that you will need without > spending lots of hard earned cash. And get what you need on the first > purchase as opposed to buying something you don't need and having to trade > that item off to acquire a more proper one. > > J.D. > > >>I see that several others have posted on your question and given some >> good >>advice. I like to recommend "The Book Of Buckskinning" series put out by >> the >>publishers of Muzzle Loader magazine. I think it is up to about 8 volumes >>now. A new volume came out every few years over the past couple decades >> with >>the idea to answer questions such as yours. While they are not cheap in >>their total, going for somewhere around $16 per volume give or take a >> couple >>bucks, they are just jam packed with good useful info on virtually any >> topic >>you might be interested in concerning this hobby. >> >>I would also direct your attention to the work of Rex Allen Norman who >> has >>added to the Mt. Man Sketch Book series (a less expensive series of >> magazine >>sized books that deal with virtually every type of Persona from the >>matchlock era to the Mt. Man era). Rex has come up with a fairly well >>researched "sketch book" on specifically the Mt. Man, what his gear was >>like, what he wore, what he shot, on and on. It's probably the cheapest >> bit >>of info you could come up with right off. >> >>Most of the suttlers that you would find at Rendezvous or on line will >> sell >>such books and more. I'll add that one in your position might do some >>reading before doing any buying or making. Though you can make most of >> your >>gear, you can also make gear that is not correct to the period by copying >>what you see at most rendezvous/shoots. A lot of new information has come >>out in recent years on what it really was like way back but many already >>have spent much time, effort and not a little money on their gear and are >>loath to throw it out and make new. You won't hurt yourself by going >> slow. >> >>YMOS >>Capt. Lahti' >> >> >>---------------------- >>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:44:10 -0500 From: "Ikon" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help ED, Alot of great informative advice here. As we use to say in the USMC, there's a lot of salt here. I picked up a nice small lean to canvas from home depot for 15 bucks, that works great. I have also made coats out of them as they are heavy duc. Yardsales - I have found great blankets, one was a 3.5 pt Whitney for 5 bucks. Ugliest thing my wife said she ever saw. Washed it, dryed it and showed her a pic of the cost of new ones. Good find. Also came upon old tin cups and very old style silver ware. Wal-mart carries wool for leggins and wool shirts along with a variety of muslins for light weight shirts. Go over to historicaltrekking.com and if you need something, post what you need. I got a great buy on a GPR a few years ago, 50 bucks. Ahh, had to refinish it but it was worth every penny. If you are like me and ya just don't like spending casholla, offer trades. Alot of us here have trunks of stuff that we do not use anymore that may be had for a trade or a gift. Matter of fact, if'n you want to make yourself a powder horn (real easy) let me know and I'll send you an old green horn. I prefer to make everything or trade for it. Trades offer equipment with history and stories. I can tell ya all day about some knives, hawks, and other goodies that came with stories. These are kept treasures that I will never part with from gents with mucho granda salt. Like most here, if I can be of any help. Just Yell. Frank V. Rago - ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart Family To: Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 12:29 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help > Greetings, > > A good friend of mine has introduced my son and I to the world of the > mountain men this past summer and we really enjoyed. In fact is has come to > be something special between my son and I along with helping him with his > reading problem as we read everything we can get our hands on...even started > our own collection of stories that really enjoy. > > Anyway, he and I want to get starting in gear & clothing but with so much to > do and so many things to get, I don't know where to start. Money doesn't > grow on tress in our camp. I have wanted to start with some of the fun > items (rifles, hawks, knives, etc.) but I know that the clothing makes a > difference as well. > > Where should we start? > > ED > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:04:23 -0700 (MST) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: MtMan-List: Reward forTobaccy If I said I was writing a book would it help on this subject? Someone must have seen this story somewhere like I did. I need to read it again for an article I'm writing. I'll send whoever gets me the info first a check for $2 (two dollars)!! Thanks again, bb > Dear List, > Does anyone know where the I read about some trappers thinking that > smoking their pipe kept them alive during a blizzard? > The title heading read something like "Smoking pipe keeps trappers > alive". I can't find it. Any help out there? > Thanks for any help in advance, > bb > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:40:21 -0800 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help bb, Ya know it's hard to do some times but I'm thinking that your take on "advice" is more on the money than the way most of us go about it. I'm guilty too. I liked JD's list and advice, don't get me wrong. But throwing too much at a newcomer right off is probably not the best way to make them a life long participant. Not, at least, unless they ask for it. Capt. Lahti' llist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:24:36 -0700 (MST) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Capt., Your right, JD's post is great, I saved it for my own use. New comers can't be overwhelmed with things like thread counts, brain tanned etc... especially young kids. They want to have fun with guns, leggings, throwing axes and sleeping with just a few blankets under the stars! Now that is living for a boy!!! That's adventure! I remember going to my Grandmothers farm as a child in the Missouri woods. We would hike to the back field at night and see the darkest, biggest sky I ever saw! And stars like I never saw in my life!! I was hooked on the great outdoors! His boy will outgrow any outfit he makes him before he is done with it anyway! It's fun just exploring a rendezvous too! I love seeing them kids running pell mell through camp tripping on tent ropes and shooting them stupid pop guns. They are the future of this great era. Go out, have fun and worry about types of buttons, small details, etc... latter. And anyone of us "old timers" that meet a young boy or girl at a rendezvous that shows real promise, give them something that they won't out-grow like a haversack, throwing axe, candle lantern or something like that. bb > bb, > > Ya know it's hard to do some times but I'm thinking that your take on > "advice" is more on the money than the way most of us go about it. I'm > guilty too. I liked JD's list and advice, don't get me wrong. But throwing > too much at a newcomer right off is probably not the best way to make them > a > life long participant. > > Not, at least, unless they ask for it. > > Capt. Lahti' > > llist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:32:14 +0000 From: amm1616@comcast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobaccy saves trappers George Ruxton tells about a time like that in one of his books. He was caught out east of what is now Mantiou Springs, CO. He covers himself up with a blanket and ends up smoking his wooden pipe to nothing during the night. If I remember right, he is covered up with the snow and doesn't see light untill he knocks through with his fist. > Dear List, > Does anyone know where the I read about some trappers thinking that > smoking their pipe kept them alive during a blizzard? > The title heading read something like "Smoking pipe keeps trappers > alive". I can't find it. Any help out there? > Thanks for any help in advance, > bb > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:49:07 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Reward forTobaccy - --part1_196.242de451.2d209bc3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/28/03 10:04:51 AM, beaverboy@sofast.net writes: > I'll send whoever gets me the info first a check for $2 (two dollars)!! > Beaver..... you send me the $2, and I'll make up a story! Magpie - --part1_196.242de451.2d209bc3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 12/28/03 10:04:51 AM, beaverboy@sofast.net writes:


I'll send whoever get= s me the info first a check for $2 (two dollars)!!


Beaver..... you send me the $2, and I'll make up a story!

Magpie - --part1_196.242de451.2d209bc3_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:19:38 -0700 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobaccy saves trappers bb does this help? AJ Miller pg 27 The west of Alfred Jacob Miller Under privation of all kinds, the universal resort of the Trapper was the pipe of tabacco; this is suspended in a gage d'amour from his neck;- he carries also tinder and flint, with which to strike a lightin a moment;- with this solaces every affliction and gives him stamina (one would suppose) to combat any trouble;- it is his universal "medicine." Keep the 2$ but be more patient with these old rusty minds. It takes a while to remember here we read such and such. Wynn - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 9:22 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Tobaccy saves trappers > Dear List, > Does anyone know where the I read about some trappers thinking that > smoking their pipe kept them alive during a blizzard? > The title heading read something like "Smoking pipe keeps trappers > alive". I can't find it. Any help out there? > Thanks for any help in advance, > bb > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:36:05 -0700 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help bb I wont agrue the point of having fun, but I spent $75.00 for a coat that I never wear because I found out how bad it was after I bought it. We all have a sense of pride and don't want to look too foolish. If you can do it more nearly right for the same money do it. If you can get a kid to spend a couple hours reading a journal or other historical book even better. I know one feller who was certainly learned how to write and maybe even read thanks to this damned internet group. There is a lot of fun to had in the crafting and study too. Still you should see the pride in my 7 year olds eyes when folk watch him light a flint and steel fire, or ride a somewhat larger than period correct horse. We will see you on trail some day Wynn - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 1:24 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help > Capt., > Your right, JD's post is great, I saved it for my own use. > New comers can't be overwhelmed with things like thread counts, brain > tanned etc... especially young kids. They want to have fun with guns, > leggings, throwing axes and sleeping with just a few blankets under the > stars! Now that is living for a boy!!! That's adventure! > I remember going to my Grandmothers farm as a child in the Missouri > woods. We would hike to the back field at night and see the darkest, > biggest sky I ever saw! And stars like I never saw in my life!! I was > hooked on the great outdoors! > His boy will outgrow any outfit he makes him before he is done with it > anyway! It's fun just exploring a rendezvous too! I love seeing them > kids running pell mell through camp tripping on tent ropes and shooting > them stupid pop guns. They are the future of this great era. > Go out, have fun and worry about types of buttons, small details, etc... > latter. > And anyone of us "old timers" that meet a young boy or girl at a > rendezvous that shows real promise, give them something that they won't > out-grow like a haversack, throwing axe, candle lantern or something > like that. > bb > > > bb, > > > > Ya know it's hard to do some times but I'm thinking that your take on > > "advice" is more on the money than the way most of us go about it. I'm > > guilty too. I liked JD's list and advice, don't get me wrong. But throwing > > too much at a newcomer right off is probably not the best way to make them > > a > > life long participant. > > > > Not, at least, unless they ask for it. > > > > Capt. Lahti' > > > > llist.html > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:37:01 -0700 (MST) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Reward forTobaccy No deal. I can make up my own BS. Thanks anyway. bb > > In a message dated 12/28/03 10:04:51 AM, beaverboy@sofast.net writes: > > >> I'll send whoever gets me the info first a check for $2 (two dollars)!! >> > > Beaver..... you send me the $2, and I'll make up a story! > > Magpie > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:28:44 -0600 From: John Dearing Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Well bb and list, The point I tried to make, maybe not as well as I would have liked, was for him to decide what time period and area he wanted to recreate BEFORE he spent allot of money on clothing and equipment that he might later find that can't use. It doesn't take years to do some basic research and acquire some knowledge of history before jumping into the sport. Yes, the details can wait for a while, but how many of us have spent allot of time, effort, and money on incorrect clothing and equipment before we decided to recreate a specific time period, only to re outfit ourselves once we settled on a time period and geographic area? The area where one lives might affect what time period and persona they want to recreate. Someone living east of the Mississippi might want to do eastern longhunter, militiaman, scout, or ranger of the F&I period, while someone living in the west might want to do western mountain man. And yes, yard sales, flea markets and Salvation Army stores can be a good source of camp items and raw materials for clothing and equipment. Nothing wrong with that. Most rendezvous in MO/Ill allow new folks to compete while wearing street clothes. Nothing wrong with that either. There are also modern camping areas, at most events, to allow newcomers to participate in local events as they put their clothing and gear together. My advice stands, though slightly modified. 1 Decide what time period and area you want to recreate. 2 Do some basic research. 3 Get your hands on some GOOD books. 4 Get some GOOD patterns. 5 Learn to sew. 6 Ask questions of knowledgeable people. Just because someone looks good at rondy doesn't mean they know anything about correct clothing and equipment for any given time period. Ask for sources. 7 Beware of friendly traders trying to sell you something you may not want. 8 Avoid the gottahaves, also known as impulse buying 9 Go have fun. J.D. > Yes, that is great advice if you want to be in an outfit in a couple of >years and you were not a boy. > His boy won't care about the era by time he does all that research. > Go to a rendezvous, get a cheap outfit, have fun and get more serious >from there if you want to. > Strike while the iron is hot. The boy has the rest of his life to argue >over what is authentic and what is not with everyone. > I used to get real serious with beginners on primitive trekking and >trapping now I just want them to have fun. They will get more into it >if they enjoy it first. The boy needs to have fun and he is on a >budget. > just my opinion, > bb > > > > > > The good Captain gives good advice, but there is more. > > > > 1 Take your time. > > 2 Decide what time period and geographic area you want to portray. > > 3 Read everything you can get your hands on about that time period. > > 4 Ask more questions of KNOWLEDGEABLE people. > > 5 DO NOT take peoples advice at rendezvous for what you need. Most don't > > know beans about history, but are more than willing to sell you some > > item, or another, that you WON'T need. > > 6 Don't believe what anyone tells you about "common knowledge history". > > 99.99% of it is wrong. Ask for a source of that item or information, and > > then RESEARCH that item before you buy. Researching an item before you buy > > will save money in the long run. Especially big ticket items. > > 7 Avoid the gottahaves. For the most part, you don't gottahave nothing, > > other than basic clothing and camp equipment. > > 8 learn to sew, both leather and cloth. > > 9 buy GOOD patterns for complicated items, pants, knee britches, etc. > > Simple things like shirts or hunting pouches don't require > > patterns...usually. Depending on your knowledge of sewing. > > 10 Beg, borrow, or buy GOOD books on making clothing and equipment. Making > > your own gear is allot less expensive than buying those items, and you > > will > > probably come to appreciate good hand made items. Not to mention time and > > fabric saved by using GOOD patterns and instructions. > > 11 DO NOT mix clothing from different time periods. It looks hokey, and > > identifies the wearer as someone who either doesn't know their history, or > > doesn't care. > > 12 search the Internet for instructions for making clothing, moccasins, > > camp gear, guns etc. > > > > Here are a few sites to get you started. I like the colonial period,can > > you > > tell? ;-) > > > > http://members.aol.com/liv18thc/index.html > > > > http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pitttext > > > > http://www.aspecialplace.net/MariesCookbook/18th_century_recipes.htm > > > > http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award99/icuhtml/fawhome.html > > > > http://www.nativetech.org/ > > > > http://www.liming.org/alra/ > > > > This last page has an outstanding reading list, but don't let my emphasis > > on research deter you from getting involved in the sport. Not everyone has > > to become an amateur historian to participate, but it does increase the > > enjoyment of the rendezvous/re-enactment experience to know the history > > surrounding your chosen time period. > > > > By adhering to the advice given by the good Captain, myself, and a few > > others on this list, you will gather good items that you will need without > > spending lots of hard earned cash. And get what you need on the first > > purchase as opposed to buying something you don't need and having to trade > > that item off to acquire a more proper one. > > > > J.D. > > > > > >>I see that several others have posted on your question and given some > >> good > >>advice. I like to recommend "The Book Of Buckskinning" series put out by > >> the > >>publishers of Muzzle Loader magazine. I think it is up to about 8 volumes > >>now. A new volume came out every few years over the past couple decades > >> with > >>the idea to answer questions such as yours. While they are not cheap in > >>their total, going for somewhere around $16 per volume give or take a > >> couple > >>bucks, they are just jam packed with good useful info on virtually any > >> topic > >>you might be interested in concerning this hobby. > >> > >>I would also direct your attention to the work of Rex Allen Norman who > >> has > >>added to the Mt. Man Sketch Book series (a less expensive series of > >> magazine > >>sized books that deal with virtually every type of Persona from the > >>matchlock era to the Mt. Man era). Rex has come up with a fairly well > >>researched "sketch book" on specifically the Mt. Man, what his gear was > >>like, what he wore, what he shot, on and on. It's probably the cheapest > >> bit > >>of info you could come up with right off. > >> > >>Most of the suttlers that you would find at Rendezvous or on line will > >> sell > >>such books and more. I'll add that one in your position might do some > >>reading before doing any buying or making. Though you can make most of > >> your > >>gear, you can also make gear that is not correct to the period by copying > >>what you see at most rendezvous/shoots. A lot of new information has come > >>out in recent years on what it really was like way back but many already > >>have spent much time, effort and not a little money on their gear and are > >>loath to throw it out and make new. You won't hurt yourself by going > >> slow. > >> > >>YMOS > >>Capt. 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