From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1303 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, January 29 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1303 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: Smoking brain tan -       RE: MtMan-List: Smoking brain tan -       Re: MtMan-List: Smoking brain tan -       Re: MtMan-List: Smoking brain tan -       MtMan-List: Researchers pinpoint Lewis & Clark campsite near Missoula, Montana -       MtMan-List: Avalanches! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:48:29 -0700 From: Dennis Knapp Subject: MtMan-List: Smoking brain tan I'm am in need of some info on smoking brain tan elk hides. I've had my wall tent up since mid November for the boys to camp out whenever they want this winter. Since the tent is up my plan is to put the wood stove in the middle of the tent with the chimney section that is dampered. Build a fire in it, then shut it down and let it smoke away. The elk hides would be hanging from the ridge pole. Is this an effective enough way to smoke the hides? I need to have one pair of new drop front britches for my eldest son done by mid February. Thanks for the replys. Regards, Dennis Knapp aka Sticher southern Idaho - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:53:34 +0000 From: "Sean Boushie" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Smoking brain tan Go to www.braintan.com >From: Dennis Knapp >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: MtMan-List: Smoking brain tan >Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:48:29 -0700 > >I'm am in need of some info on smoking brain tan elk hides. I've had my >wall tent >up since mid November for the boys to camp out whenever they want this >winter. >Since the tent is up my plan is to put the wood stove in the middle of the >tent >with the chimney section that is dampered. Build a fire in it, then shut it >down >and let it smoke away. The elk hides would be hanging from the ridge pole. >Is >this an effective enough way to smoke the hides? I need to have one pair of >new >drop front britches for my eldest son done by mid February. Thanks for the >replys. >Regards, >Dennis Knapp aka Sticher >southern Idaho > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up — fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:02:30 -0700 (MST) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Smoking brain tan Dennis don't do it!!!! Not unless you want a wall tent that lets next to no daylight through the canvas. My old tent is so smokey from just a puff now and then coming out of the stove when loading wood or when just lighting the stove that it is very dark inside it now. In comparson my newer tent is bright and nice inside for reading or doing chores, the other is like a cave. I imagine I can clean it somehow but I can't see getting your canvas dark and dirty on purpose. I use my Little Chief Jerky smoker to smoke leather. I put the wood chips directly on the heating element and it smokes so much I think the neighbors will call the fire department. I then watch it constantly and squirt the smoking chips with water when they flare up into a fire. I attach the leather being smoked to the open top, sewed in a circle or tube shape, and sometimes use a piece of cloth to get it higher from the heat. This rig smokes like crazy and does the job quickly. I then just unplug it when done. I do this when I got an afternoon to kill and have the chips, squirt bottle, extra water and a six pack within arms reach. It works good. But I wouldn't smoke your tent on purpose. Good luck, bb > I'm am in need of some info on smoking brain tan elk hides. I've had my > wall tent > up since mid November for the boys to camp out whenever they want this > winter. > Since the tent is up my plan is to put the wood stove in the middle of the > tent > with the chimney section that is dampered. Build a fire in it, then shut > it down > and let it smoke away. The elk hides would be hanging from the ridge pole. > Is > this an effective enough way to smoke the hides? I need to have one pair > of new > drop front britches for my eldest son done by mid February. Thanks for the > replys. > Regards, > Dennis Knapp aka Sticher > southern Idaho > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:07:00 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Smoking brain tan - --part1_191.2488c4ff.2d493824_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/27/2004 11:50:33 AM Mountain Standard Time, dennis@clearsprings.com writes: > Since the tent is up my plan is to put the wood stove in the middle of the > tent > with the chimney section that is dampered. Build a fire in it, Stitcher The best way is to stitch it back together to form a bag. The Shoshone today stitch a little skirt around the bottom of canvas. Then suspend it over the smoker (5 gallon can with a smokey fire) and attach ties to the botom of the skirt so you can stretch it out like a tipi. Keep the fire smothered with green willows or rotten wood (I use cottonwood logs gone bad) so it will smoke good. Keep an eye on it and a squirt bottle of water handy in case you get a flame. It is interesting to know how a hide will catch fire and burn like cardboard. Some Indians just do one side - i prefer both. Wallace Zundell - Northwest Band Shoshone, would be a hundred if he were still alive - used to set up out under a weeping willow tree with the hide suspended from a branch and his 5 gallon bucket in place underneath. His instructions were to make a wad of grass and stuff in all the bullet holes so the smoke couldn't escape, but he would pull the plug from time to time to peek and and inspect his progress. It is important that the smoked hide be rolled up and kept in a cover (plastic not period, but works well) and let the smoke percolate through the fibers for several days. Then turn it inside out and repeat the process. I did smoking inside my tipi one time, but it was a big pig I had raised. I closed the flaps with the meat hung up high near the closed smoke hole, and built the fire in the normal place. I used mostly damp hardwood chips and kept the smoke going for a week. At the end of that time that tipi smelled so good I was ready to eat it as well./ Good luck Richard James - --part1_191.2488c4ff.2d493824_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 01/27/2= 004 11:50:33 AM Mountain Standard Time, dennis@clearsprings.com writes:


Since the tent is up my plan is= to put the wood stove in the middle of the tent
with the chimney section that is dampered. Build a fire in it,
=

Stitcher
The best way is to stitch it back together to form a bag.  The Shoshone= today stitch a little skirt around the bottom of canvas.  Then suspend= it over the smoker (5 gallon can with a smokey fire) and attach ties to the= botom of the skirt so you can stretch it out like a tipi.  Keep the fi= re smothered with green willows or rotten wood (I use cottonwood logs gone b= ad) so it will smoke good.  Keep an eye on it and a squirt bottle of wa= ter handy in case you get a flame.  It is interesting to know how a hid= e will catch fire and burn like cardboard.  Some Indians just do one si= de  - i prefer both.  Wallace Zundell - Northwest Band Shoshone, w= ould be a hundred if he were still alive - used to set up out under a weepin= g willow tree with the hide suspended from a branch and his 5 gallon bucket=20= in place underneath.  His instructions were to make a wad of grass and=20= stuff in all the bullet holes so the smoke couldn't escape, but he would pul= l the plug from time to time to peek and and inspect his progress.  It=20= is important that the smoked hide be rolled up and kept in a cover (plastic=20= not period, but works well) and let the smoke percolate through the fibers f= or several days.  Then turn it inside out and repeat the process.

I did smoking inside my tipi one time, but it was a big pig I had raised.&nb= sp; I closed the flaps with the meat hung up high near the closed smoke hole= , and built the fire in the normal place.  I used mostly damp hardwood=20= chips and kept the smoke going for a week.  At the end of that time tha= t tipi smelled so good I was ready to eat it as well./

Good luck
Richard James - --part1_191.2488c4ff.2d493824_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:00:24 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: Researchers pinpoint Lewis & Clark campsite near Missoula, Montana This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3E63D.F32FDE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Researchers pinpoint Lewis & Clark campsite near Missoula, Montana The Bismark Tribune (AP), 27 January 2004 Historians and scientists have found physical evidence that pinpoints = the campsite that Meriwether Lewis dubbed Travelers' Rest in 1805. The five-year study may persuade the National Park Service to correct = the location it listed years ago -- off by a mile and a half -- in the = national register of historic places. The national register locates the campsite at the confluence of Lolo = Creek and the Bitterroot River. The new evidence puts the site a mile and a = half up the creek from the river. "This is now accepted as the true campsite," said Dale Dufour, vice president of the Travelers' Rest Chapter of the Lewis and Clark Trail Heritage Foundation. Missoula archaeologist Dan Hall will detail the findings at a news conference on Feb. 5. The site joins a very small list of locations along the 8,000-mile = length of the Lewis and Clark Trail where physical evidence of the expedition = has been found. At Pompeys Pillar near Billings, William Clark carved his = name in the sandstone pillar in 1806 as the expedition returned from the = Pacific Ocean. In 1989, archaeologists used magnetometry, radio carbon dating and other techniques to locate another campsite near Great Falls at what's known = as the Lower Portage site. That site contained several fire rings and = evidence that the expedition had camped there for some time. Travelers' Rest is now designated a state park. Indians had camped there for untold years. An Indian guide called Toby brought Lewis and Clark to the site in September 1805 to prepare for crossing the Bitterroot Mountains. The Corps of Discovery spent three days at Travelers' Rest before = beginning the near-fatal, 11-day crossing of the Bitterroots. They returned to = spend June 30 and July 1, 2 and 3, 1806, to rest before heading home. Historians and scientists used a variety of methods to prove the exact location of Travelers' Rest. Aerial infrared photography showed evidence of tepee rings. Historical research matched coordinates of latitude and longitude recorded by Lewis and Clark. Archaeological digs turned up a latrine, a late-18th century button and lead. Vapor analysis verified the presence of mercury beneath the old latrine. Mercury, which does not decompose, was the major ingredient in a = powerful laxative carried on the expedition. Surrounded by a rapidly developing residential area, the campsite was designated one of the nation's most endangered historic places in 1999. That helped attract a grant from the Richard King Mellon Foundation, allowing the Conservation Fund to buy 15 acres believed to be the heart = of the campsite. The Conservation Fund immediately donated the site to the Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks for use as a state park. - ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3E63D.F32FDE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 




Researchers pinpoint Lewis & Clark = campsite=20 near Missoula, Montana

The Bismark Tribune (AP), 27 January=20 2004

Historians and scientists have found physical evidence that=20 pinpoints the
campsite that Meriwether Lewis dubbed Travelers' Rest = in=20 1805.


The five-year study may persuade the National Park = Service to=20 correct the
location it listed years ago -- off by a mile and a half = - -- in=20 the national
register of historic places.


The national = register=20 locates the campsite at the confluence of Lolo Creek
and the = Bitterroot=20 River. The new evidence puts the site a mile and a half
up the creek = from the=20 river.


"This is now accepted as the true campsite," said Dale = Dufour,=20 vice
president of the Travelers' Rest Chapter of the Lewis and Clark=20 Trail
Heritage Foundation.


Missoula archaeologist Dan Hall = will=20 detail the findings at a news
conference on Feb. 5.


The = site joins=20 a very small list of locations along the 8,000-mile length
of the = Lewis and=20 Clark Trail where physical evidence of the expedition has
been found. = At=20 Pompeys Pillar near Billings, William Clark carved his name
in the = sandstone=20 pillar in 1806 as the expedition returned from the=20 Pacific
Ocean.


In 1989, archaeologists used magnetometry, = radio=20 carbon dating and other
techniques to locate another campsite near = Great=20 Falls at what's known as
the Lower Portage site. That site contained = several=20 fire rings and evidence
that the expedition had camped there for some = time.


Travelers' Rest is now designated a state=20 park.


Indians had camped there for untold years. An Indian = guide=20 called Toby
brought Lewis and Clark to the site in September 1805 to = prepare=20 for
crossing the Bitterroot Mountains.


The Corps of = Discovery=20 spent three days at Travelers' Rest before beginning
the near-fatal, = 11-day=20 crossing of the Bitterroots. They returned to spend
June 30 and July = 1, 2 and=20 3, 1806, to rest before heading home.


Historians and = scientists used=20 a variety of methods to prove the exact
location of Travelers'=20 Rest.


Aerial infrared photography showed evidence of tepee = rings.=20 Historical
research matched coordinates of latitude and longitude = recorded by=20 Lewis
and Clark. Archaeological digs turned up a latrine, a late-18th = century
button and lead.


Vapor analysis verified the = presence of=20 mercury beneath the old latrine.
Mercury, which does not decompose, = was the=20 major ingredient in a powerful
laxative carried on the=20 expedition.


Surrounded by a rapidly developing residential = area, the=20 campsite was
designated one of the nation's most endangered historic = places=20 in 1999.
That helped attract a grant from the Richard King Mellon=20 Foundation,
allowing the Conservation Fund to buy 15 acres believed = to be the=20 heart of
the campsite.


The Conservation Fund immediately = donated=20 the site to the Montana
Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks for = use as a=20 state park.

 - ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3E63D.F32FDE60-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:24:13 -0700 (MST) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: MtMan-List: Avalanches! Dear List, If you ever wondered about the force of an avalanche consider the headline in today's Tribune. An avalanche near Essex Montana hit a frieght train and derailed it! It's amazing humans ever survive avalanches! Stay warm! bb http://www.greatfallstribune.com/news/stories/20040129/localnews/312391.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1303 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.