From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #136 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, September 11 1998 Volume 01 : Number 136 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:32:36 EDT From: Casapy123@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nicholas Pointe "Wilderness Kingdom" was translated and introduced by Joseph P. Donnelly, Sr. and published by Holt, Rinehart and Winston in 1967. There was a simultaneous printing by Loyola University Press in Chicago. You can gnerally find it anywhere from $40 to $80 through an out-of-print bookdealer. Jim Hardee, AMM#1676 P.O. Box 1228 Quincy, CA 95971 (530)283-4566 (H) (530)283-3330 (W) (530)283-5171 FAX Casapy123@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:47:22 -0700 From: Corey Tretteen Subject: MtMan-List: Total newbee I am a total pilgrim in this area. I have read a few books (real ones, not fiction) and talked to a few people, but that's about it. What I need to know is is there anyone in the Walla Walla, WA area that I can get together with who can help me get started? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 02:23:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Total newbee On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Corey Tretteen wrote: > I am a total pilgrim in this area. I have read a few books > (real ones, not fiction) and talked to a few people, but that's > about it. What I need to know is is there anyone in the > Walla Walla, WA area that I can get together with who can > help me get started? Corey On the weekend of Oct 3, all sorts of folks will descend on Old Fort Walla Walla, that would be an excellent time to wander through, talk with folks, and see whats up. Both military and trappers will be represented, from 1800 through the indian wars. There will be both local folks and folks from distant parts, so you should be able to rub elbows with someone that can help. Additionally, what are you interested in... American Mountain Man, or Northwest Company? The NWC was very active and was the actual founder of the original Fort Nez Perce, now known as Fort Walla Walla. Regards Lee Newbill Viola, Idaho email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:09:10 -0700 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Total newbee Corey: Lee gave you some sound advice. I live in Kennewick and would be willing to share my "wisdom" with you on how to get started and etc.whether you find a mentor in WW or not. Most of the guys in Walla Walla are target shooters and real nice guys in any case but if you want to get into reinacting they may not bee that much help. That of couse depends on how authentic you are looking to get. Feel free to e-mail me off list with your questions and when you get ready to get on the ground and play the serious game I'll put you on to some serious get-togethers. I remain...... YMOS Capt. Lahti' Lee Newbill wrote: > On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Corey Tretteen wrote: > > I am a total pilgrim in this area. I have read a few books > > (real ones, not fiction) and talked to a few people, but that's > > about it. What I need to know is is there anyone in the > > Walla Walla, WA area that I can get together with who can > > help me get started? > > Corey > > On the weekend of Oct 3, all sorts of folks will descend on Old Fort Walla > Walla, that would be an excellent time to wander through, talk with folks, > and see whats up. Both military and trappers will be represented, from > 1800 through the indian wars. > > There will be both local folks and folks from distant parts, so you > should be able to rub elbows with someone that can help. > > Additionally, what are you interested in... American Mountain Man, > or Northwest Company? The NWC was very active and was the actual founder > of the original Fort Nez Perce, now known as Fort Walla Walla. > > Regards > > Lee Newbill > Viola, Idaho > email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu > Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage > http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:25:15 -0500 From: Jim Colburn Subject: MtMan-List: Sale of books, etc Washtahay- am selling off a number of books and misc. If anyone is interested, please contact me directly. Thank you LongWalker c. du B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:26:39 -0700 From: "Michael Naples" Subject: MtMan-List: Mountain Men Greetings all Mountain Men Buffs! I am interested in getting information a mountain man by the name of Francisco Laforet. He was a French fur trapper from Montreal Canada who in the 1840's came with a group of other mountain men who eventually settled in a place called San Antonio del Rio Colorado when it was part of Mexican Territory. Today it is called Questa. If anyone has any information about this man or his ancestry, I would love to here from you. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:35:48 -0700 From: David & Evelyn Mullen Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Francisco Laforet Mr. Naples, Francisco Laforet was included in -The Mountain Men and Fur Trade of the Far West- By LeRoy Hafen, ed., (Glendale, Ca. : Arthur H. Clark Company, 1965-72). His biographical sketch is in Vol. 6, pages 213-218, & was written by David Weber. Regards, David Mullen - -- David & Evelyn Mullen 202 Mesa Verde Jemez Springs, NM 87025 505.829.3212 email:dmullen@jemez.com Michael Naples wrote: > > Greetings all Mountain Men Buffs! > I am interested in getting information a mountain man by the name of > Francisco Laforet. He was a French fur trapper from Montreal Canada who in > the 1840's came with a group of other mountain men who eventually settled in > a place called San Antonio del Rio Colorado when it was part of Mexican > Territory. > Today it is called Questa. If anyone has any information about this man or > his ancestry, I would love to here from you. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:47:27 -0600 From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Menard In 1804, Joseph Menard of Montreal was listed as a North West Company "voyageur contremaitre" (voyageur supervisor?) in the Athabasca River department (Masson 1:396). There's a book by W. Raymond Wood and Thomas D. Thiessen called _Early Fur Trade on the Northern Plains_ (University of Oklahoma Press, 1985) which has a wealth of information on the trade to the Mandans in the late 1700's and early 1800's. It might have some information to help answer your question. Sorry, I haven't got my copy with me right now. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:04:28 PDT From: "Chance Tiffie" Subject: MtMan-List: Looking for Poor Devil Trader's I'm trying to locat the new address or contact information for Poor Devil Trader's, the business was once in Virginia and operated by a woman named Deborah. Last I heard, she had relocated to Montana. She has made clothes for me in the past, and I would like to contact her about making some more. Please return mail to bossloper@hotmail.com Thanks in advance, Chance Tiffie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:05:52 -0700 From: Gary Bell Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Location List? Washtahay, I think I floated this notion before, but here goes again. Would enough of you folks be interested in some sort of registry where those of us willing to coach newbies or to meet traveling list-mates could list enough info about our location that we could be contacted online when somebody has a question? I am no expert in such things, but I can imagine a list somewhere on the 'net where we could go to find out if one of our friends online lives near us, or near somewhere we are travelling, or near some site of research interest. Most of us have revealed our town at some time or another online, and I expect that a list with just names, email addresses, location, and whether we are interested in coaching, research help or socializing would serve our needs without unduly intruding on list member's privacy. My notion includes the idea that members would volunteer to be listed, so the folks not interested would not be imposed upon. I'll wager that most of us have online friends who live nearer than we ever suspected. Also recall how much of our message traffic covers these newbie, research or travelling topics already. Feel free to reply online or privately if you like, and I would be willing to invest time and effort in making such a thing happen if the group wants it. I also would like to solicit ideas on how such a thing would work, you folks probably have a bunch of good ideas about that as well. Dean, I particularly would like to learn your views on this! I would also like to see more correspondence with local events indicated, but I think a separate message thread is appropriate for that, given the different set of concerns involved. I will presently launch such a discussion here, perhaps after the flame war of this message thread dies down a little. Let me know (putting on my fireproof 'skins and topping off my powderhorn), Gary Bell, aka Heron Roger Lahti wrote: > Corey: > > Lee gave you some sound advice. I live in Kennewick and would be willing to > share my "wisdom" with you on how to get started and etc.whether you find a > mentor in WW or not. > Lee Newbill wrote: > > > On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Corey Tretteen wrote: > > > I am a total pilgrim in this area. > What I need to know is is there anyone in the > > > Walla Walla, WA area that I can get together with who can > > > help me get started? > > > > Corey > > > > On the weekend of Oct 3, all sorts of folks will descend on Old Fort Walla > > Walla, that would be an excellent time to wander through, talk with folks, > > and see whats up. > > There will be both local folks and folks from distant parts, so you > > should be able to rub elbows with someone that can help. > > > > Additionally, what are you interested in... American Mountain Man, > > or Northwest Company? The NWC was very active and was the actual founder > > of the original Fort Nez Perce, now known as Fort Walla Walla. > > > > Regards > > > > Lee Newbill > > Viola, Idaho > > email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu > > Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage > > http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186 > On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Corey Tretteen wrote: > > I am a total pilgrim in this area. I have read a few books > > (real ones, not fiction) and talked to a few people, but that's > > about it. What I need to know is is there anyone in the > > Walla Walla, WA area that I can get together with who can > > help me get started? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:26:21 -0500 From: "K. Carpenter" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nicholas Pointe Wayne Mumford wrote: > Allen, > > How long ago was it at the Museum of the Rockies- I'm not to far away, > maybe it's still there? > Where is the Museum of the Rockies? Carp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:50:43 EDT From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Location List? Gary, Count me in. I'm in the West Los Angeles area, and would gladly give any info needed. I think your idea is a great one. Feel free to contact me direct at rr1la@aol.com. PJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:55:27 +0100 From: Allen Chronister Subject: [none] The Museum of the Rockies is located on the campus of Montana State University in Bozeman. Allen Chronister ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:59:29 +0100 From: Allen Chronister Subject: MtMan-List: Nicholas Pointe/Sacred Encounters The exhibit catalog for the "Sacred Encounters" exhibit, which contains a lot of the Pointe pencil sketches, along with some other good stuff (some very early Indian material, a hide coat attributed to Robt. Campbell) is also available from the museum store at the Montana Historical Society in Helena. toll free 800-243-9900 Allen Chronister ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:00:44 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Location List? Gary That is a good idea. I would gladly share my meager knowledge with anyone. My name is Lanney Ratcliff and I live in Cleburne, Texas, 76031, about 28 miles south of Ft Worth. My e-mail address is rat@htcomp.net You might find it helpful to ask for and to include zip codes. YMOS Lanney - -----Original Message----- From: Gary Bell To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 2:08 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Location List? >Washtahay, > >I think I floated this notion before, but here goes again. Would enough of you >folks be interested in some sort of registry where those of us willing to coach >newbies or to meet traveling list-mates could list enough info about our location >that we could be contacted online when somebody has a question? > >I am no expert in such things, but I can imagine a list somewhere on the 'net >where we could go to find out if one of our friends online lives near us, or near >somewhere we are travelling, or near some site of research interest. Most of us >have revealed our town at some time or another online, and I expect that a list >with just names, email addresses, location, and whether we are interested in >coaching, research help or socializing would serve our needs without unduly >intruding on list member's privacy. My notion includes the idea that members >would volunteer to be listed, so the folks not interested would not be imposed >upon. > >I'll wager that most of us have online friends who live nearer than we ever >suspected. Also recall how much of our message traffic covers these newbie, >research or travelling topics already. > >Feel free to reply online or privately if you like, and I would be willing to >invest time and effort in making such a thing happen if the group wants it. I >also would like to solicit ideas on how such a thing would work, you folks >probably have a bunch of good ideas about that as well. Dean, I particularly >would like to learn your views on this! > >I would also like to see more correspondence with local events indicated, but I >think a separate message thread is appropriate for that, given the different set >of concerns involved. I will presently launch such a discussion here, perhaps >after the flame war of this message thread dies down a little. > >Let me know (putting on my fireproof 'skins and topping off my powderhorn), > >Gary Bell, aka Heron > > >Roger Lahti wrote: > >> Corey: >> >> Lee gave you some sound advice. I live in Kennewick and would be willing to >> share my "wisdom" with you on how to get started and etc.whether you find a >> mentor in WW or not. > > > >> Lee Newbill wrote: >> >> > On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Corey Tretteen wrote: >> > > I am a total pilgrim in this area. > > > >> What I need to know is is there anyone in the >> > > Walla Walla, WA area that I can get together with who can >> > > help me get started? >> > >> > Corey >> > >> > On the weekend of Oct 3, all sorts of folks will descend on Old Fort Walla >> > Walla, that would be an excellent time to wander through, talk with folks, >> > and see whats up. > > > >> > There will be both local folks and folks from distant parts, so you >> > should be able to rub elbows with someone that can help. >> > >> > Additionally, what are you interested in... American Mountain Man, >> > or Northwest Company? The NWC was very active and was the actual founder >> > of the original Fort Nez Perce, now known as Fort Walla Walla. >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Lee Newbill >> > Viola, Idaho >> > email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu >> > Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage >> > http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186 > > > On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Corey Tretteen wrote: >> > I am a total pilgrim in this area. I have read a few books >> > (real ones, not fiction) and talked to a few people, but that's >> > about it. What I need to know is is there anyone in the >> > Walla Walla, WA area that I can get together with who can >> > help me get started? > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:51:39 -0600 From: "WILLIAM P. GARRISON" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Location List? - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDDD9C.139C77E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a virtual Chat Site that can be utilized by the list if you like. = I also have a Rendezvous room set up on it. The Program is called The = Palace and can be downloaded at: www.thepalace.com My site is = called Sportsmans Paradise and the Address for that is 206.80.121.152 = :9998. I run this program most every day from 9am to 6 pm Mtn Time. I = use this site to talk to customers but The Mountain Man era is one close = to my heart and has been for a long time. Anyway , Your all welcome to use my site for real time chat if you like. = If you would like more info contact me at grizstp@micron.net or ICQ = 1316205. I also will be putting up a room in the near future for = Trappers. YHAOS Griz Garrison - ---------- From: Gary Bell[SMTP:micropt@gte.net] Sent: Friday, September 11, 1998 1:05 PM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Location List? Washtahay, I think I floated this notion before, but here goes again. Would enough = of you folks be interested in some sort of registry where those of us willing = to coach newbies or to meet traveling list-mates could list enough info about our = location that we could be contacted online when somebody has a question? I am no expert in such things, but I can imagine a list somewhere on the = 'net where we could go to find out if one of our friends online lives near = us, or near somewhere we are travelling, or near some site of research interest. = Most of us have revealed our town at some time or another online, and I expect that = a list with just names, email addresses, location, and whether we are = interested in coaching, research help or socializing would serve our needs without = unduly intruding on list member's privacy. My notion includes the idea that = members would volunteer to be listed, so the folks not interested would not be = imposed upon. I'll wager that most of us have online friends who live nearer than we = ever suspected. Also recall how much of our message traffic covers these = newbie, research or travelling topics already. Feel free to reply online or privately if you like, and I would be = willing to invest time and effort in making such a thing happen if the group wants = it. I also would like to solicit ideas on how such a thing would work, you = folks probably have a bunch of good ideas about that as well. Dean, I = particularly would like to learn your views on this! I would also like to see more correspondence with local events = indicated, but I think a separate message thread is appropriate for that, given the = different set of concerns involved. I will presently launch such a discussion here, = perhaps after the flame war of this message thread dies down a little. Let me know (putting on my fireproof 'skins and topping off my = powderhorn), Gary Bell, aka Heron Roger Lahti wrote: > Corey: > > Lee gave you some sound advice. I live in Kennewick and would be = willing to > share my "wisdom" with you on how to get started and etc.whether you = find a > mentor in WW or not. > Lee Newbill wrote: > > > On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Corey Tretteen wrote: > > > I am a total pilgrim in this area. > What I need to know is is there anyone in the > > > Walla Walla, WA area that I can get together with who can > > > help me get started? > > > > Corey > > > > On the weekend of Oct 3, all sorts of folks will descend on Old Fort = Walla > > Walla, that would be an excellent time to wander through, talk with = folks, > > and see whats up. > > There will be both local folks and folks from distant parts, so you > > should be able to rub elbows with someone that can help. > > > > Additionally, what are you interested in... American Mountain Man, > > or Northwest Company? The NWC was very active and was the actual = founder > > of the original Fort Nez Perce, now known as Fort Walla Walla. > > > > Regards > > > > Lee Newbill > > Viola, Idaho > > email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu > > Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage > > http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186 > On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Corey Tretteen wrote: > > I am a total pilgrim in this area. I have read a few books > > (real ones, not fiction) and talked to a few people, but that's > > about it. 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Lanney, Zip codes, that would really help! See, you guys have a bunch of great ideas to make this work well! Thanks!!!! I'm stashing all the messages responding on this topic, and will update the list membership as soon as things settle out. Keep the ideas rolling in! Gary ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:11:24 -0700 From: tigrbo1 Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Total newbee Greetings Corey, Welcome to the List. Unfortunately Seattle is a little far from Walla Walla, but if we can be of any help don't hesitate to ask. Best regards, Terry & Judith Smith Corey Tretteen wrote: > I am a total pilgrim in this area. I have read a few books > (real ones, not fiction) and talked to a few people, but that's > about it. What I need to know is is there anyone in the > Walla Walla, WA area that I can get together with who can > help me get started? > > Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:27:41 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: pilgrim outfit Corey This is an open letter to newcomers that I have used for a while. I hope some part of it helps you. YMOS Lanney Ratcliff - -----Original Message----- From: Lanney Ratcliff To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 6:03 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pilgrim outfit >I have given the same advice to numerous pilgrims. DO NOT SPEND A BUNCH OF >MONEY TO GO TO YOUR FIRST RENDEZVOUS!! A weekend pre-1840 club rendezvous >will have a multitude of different styles of dress, accoutrements, shelters, >guns --- everything---for you to see. Call a club member (preferably an >officer) and ask that person to put you in contact with a club member (s) >near your home. Visit with that person and find out more particulars about >that club. Ask him to help you outfit yourself in a "generic", lowcost set >of clothes. Find out if a pair of boots or moccasins you might already own >is acceptable at that club's doin's. That sort of thing. You might spend >$12 on Book of Buckskinning Vol.1 and read it. It will give you a >reasonably useable overview of buckskinning. However, don't make the >mistake of treating it as holy writ...just a guide. Contact Scurlock >Publishing Co. Inc, Dept B7, Rt 5, Box 347-M, Texarkana, Texas 75501, >800-228-6389. Most clubs are pretty forgiving of newcomers and visitors so >long as they display the right spirit and show up in a reasonably acceptable >outfit. Some clubs have a supply of clothes to loan to a pilgrim, although >you might find most of the loaners to be outgrown kids' stuff. At any rate, >a first timer's clothes should be as non-specific as possible---something >just about anyone would have worn in the time from about 1840 back to the >turn of the eighteenth century...cloth trousers, cotton pullover, >dropshoulder shirt, wide leather belt with a simple buckle and (at most >rendezvous) round or square toe, low heel leather boots with the tops kept >under the trouser bottoms, or moccasins. Get a natural colored canvas >haversack to carry a spoon, a tin pie plate and a tin (or plain crockery) >cup. Avoid blue, green, red or any other color speckled enamel ware. >Period. People will darn near compete to feed you (if you're not a jerk or >something), but it is considered good manners to provide your own place >setting, as it were. Ask your club contact his advice on a bedroll and to >help you find someone you can camp with. A good wool blanket rolled into an >8X8 or 10X10 square of white canvas with a smaller canvas ground cloth is a >good start. Find out how to set a diamond shelter with the square of canvas >or stretch it over a rope or wooden ridgepole to make a simple "A" frame >tent. Most clubs allow very nearly anything in a camp so long as it is kept >covered--completely-- and will permit a car in camp for a short time to >unload on Friday (or even early Saturday). So don't be shy about bringing a >cooler with drinks and fresh food and a sleeping pad of some sort. Bring >food that doesn't need to be cooked or that can be cooked simply (on a >stick) over a fire. Wander around camp and observe the various cooks in >action, and come better equipped next time. >Don't buy a gun before going to rendezvous for the first time. If you must >carry somethig, carry a walking staff. It will make you look a little like >Moses and costs essentially nothing. There will be guns there of every >description and if you let it be known that you would like to talk about >guns, you will find people falling all over themselves to talk about guns, >to show you theirs and to let you shoot them. Talk with these same people >about their clothes and why they dress the way they do. You will soon see >the various times and places that are represented. If one particular style >appeals to you do, find out all you can about that style...is it actually >period and, if so, specifically when and where that style of dress was >common. If you are certain that you have found a suitable style of dress, >find out what gun would be appropriate to carry. Don't make this decision >in haste. Take your time...your generic stuff will always be correct. When >you are resonably certain about a particular style, do the research >necessary to get yourself a good, sturdy, not too showey outfit. Then >concern yourself about a gun. If you decide , for instance, that the French >& Indian War period (1756) is where your interest lies, you don't want to >suddenly remember that you already spent a small fortune on a top quality >percussion mountain rifle suitable for the Rocky Mountains in the1830's. >Then you will have to once again explain to She Who Must Be Obeyed how >important it is for you to spend $1200 on a gun that only shoots once. >Waugh!! (you CAN buy excellent guns for a lot less than $1200, by the way). However, when you have decided...for sure...where your interest >lies, then buy the best gun you purse will allow. In fact, strain it a >little. Avoid cheap goods---always. Ask the people with the best guns where they got theirs and if the >same gunmaker's name keeps coming up go find that gunmaker. Even then, don't rush to buy a gun. Look at a pile of them before buying one--find out what a good gun is and buy the best you can afford. If someone tries really hard to sell you a particular gun be aware that he probably is more interested in selling you what he is trying to get rid of rather than trying to sell you what you need. Make yourself acquainted with longtime members and ask each of them about their buckskinner library. Get a list of commonly recommended books (get the title, author and ISBN number---you bookseller will thank you) and build a quality library. Don't let anybody tell you that the complete set of Book of Buckskinning is all you need. Get them, for sure, but don't stop there. >Pardon my long winded reply to your query. I hope you find some good >guidance in your pursuit of this truly wonderful hobby---that's what it is, >you know. However,if you are lucky you find will yourself making >buckskinning an integral part of you lifestyle, your daily conduct, even >your home's decor. You will find that you will have greater confidence and >pride in yourself and your abilities. Most people are too timid to do what >you will soon be able to do without thinking twice. >Good Luck >Lanney Ratcliff >rat@htcomp.com > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mill, Kirk >To: ML MAILING LIST >Cc: history mailing list >Date: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 1:30 PM >Subject: MtMan-List: pilgrim outfit > > >>I have been discussing this question with some people off-line and I >decided >>the best way to get the definitive answer would be to post it. >>What would you folks consider to be the minimum outfit (clothing, shelter, >>cookware, etc.) that a pilgrim like myself needs for a weekend rendezvous >>that advertises as "pre-1840's"? Thanks in advance for your help. >> >> >>Kirk Mill >> > ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #136 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. 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