From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1365 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, June 6 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1365 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition -       Re: MtMan-List: Recipe -       MtMan-List: "Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition" by Ann Nelson -       Re: MtMan-List: "Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition" by Ann Nelson -       MtMan-List: More horse stuff -       Re: MtMan-List: "Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition" by Ann Nelson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:56:58 -0600 From: "Gary" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C44A76.7A0D8800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like a copy and I will help defray the costs. Accurate historic = horse tack info is not the easiest to come by. Thanks. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Bell=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 11:10 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition I contacted the Utah Museum of Natural History about the paper = entitled ""Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition," by Ann = Nelson. They found a copy and are sending it to me. I may get it = today. I did not mention it because I wanted to wait until I got it to = determine its value; nevertheless, a Todd Glover just contacted them = about the same thing. They thought that was quite a coincidence to have = this happen twice in the same week when no one has asked for it = previously. The Museum called me to see if Todd were an associate of = mine. I am trying to find out. If so, they want me to make copies of = the paper and send it rather than having them do it as they have very = limited copies and do not want to incur the expense. I have two = questions: 1. Is one of you Todd Glover? 2. If I find the paper valuable, I would be happy to send copies = along as long as I don't have to send hundred's of them. Those = interested, let me know. Sincerely, Jerry - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C44A76.7A0D8800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would like a copy and I will = help defray=20 the costs. Accurate historic horse tack info is not the easiest to come = by.=20 Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jerry=20 Bell
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 = 11:10=20 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: = Description of=20 Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition

I=20 contacted the Utah Museum of Natural History about the paper entitled=20 =93"Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition," by Ann = Nelson. =20 They found a copy and are sending it to me.  I may get it = today.  I=20 did not mention it because I wanted to wait until I got it to = determine its=20 value; nevertheless, a Todd Glover just contacted them about the same=20 thing.  They thought that was quite a coincidence to have this = happen=20 twice in the same week when no one has asked for it previously.  = The=20 Museum called me to see if Todd were an associate of mine.  I am = trying=20 to find out.  If so, they want me to make copies of the paper and = send it=20 rather than having them do it as they have very limited copies and do = not want=20 to incur the expense.  I have two questions:

1. =20 Is one of you Todd Glover?

2. =20 If I find the paper valuable, I would be happy to send copies along as = long as=20 I don=92t have to send hundred=92s of them.  Those interested, = let me=20 know.

Sincerely,

Jerry

 

 

 

- ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C44A76.7A0D8800-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:42:26 -0400 From: "DOUBLE EDGE FORGE" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Recipe This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C44AE9.CAB03F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Wynn, Great recipe! Hafta try it. Here's one that is an artery clogger, = but good on a cold night in camp..... Read it in a journal and hadda = try it. Take good bear oil and heat with as much maple sugar as it will hold = (saterated) Then take roasted chuncks of venison or bear and dip into = the oil mixture and enjoy. Simple, but will probably turn your blood = into cold molasses if you do it often D - ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C44AE9.CAB03F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Wynn,
 
  Great recipe! Hafta try=20 it.   Here's one that is an artery clogger, but good on a cold = night=20 in camp.....  Read it in a journal and hadda try = it.
 
Take good bear oil and heat = with as much=20 maple sugar as it will hold (saterated) Then  take roasted chuncks = of=20 venison or bear and dip into the oil mixture and enjoy.  Simple, = but will=20 probably turn your blood into cold molasses if you do it=20 often
 
D
 
 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C44AE9.CAB03F00-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 17:34:54 -0600 From: "Jerry Bell" Subject: MtMan-List: "Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition" by Ann Nelson This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C44B23.6AB1EB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been a member of the ALRA for over ten years, but recently = decided it would make more sense to study and participate in an era that was closer = to home. It seemed interesting to me that many of us who live in the West replicate personas from the East and those who live in the East do = Western interpretations. Consequently I decided to move my persona out west and = to a later time frame. In the meantime, I also acquired a horse several = years ago and I wanted to use it as part of my pursuit. However, to remain = part of the ALRA, my time frame had to not extend much beyond 1812. As a = result of all of this, I have been doing quite a bit of research on early = western saddles lately. I discovered that there is not much information out = there. Therefore, when I heard about the paper, "Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition" by Ann Nelson, I was excited about perhaps finding a = new source. Now, I am some what embarrassed by what I am about to say. I = just received a copy of the article and much to my chagrin; I discovered that = it is the last chapter in the book, Man Made Mobile edited by Richard E. Ahlborn. I recently acquired this book, but have only had time to read = the first 3 chapters; therefore, I did not recognize the name of the paper = when I saw it. Perhaps some of you already have the book? When I learned = this, I went to the book and reviewed all of the chapters. I discovered that = the last 3 chapters are probably of more value to me than the first three = that I read. They are entitled, "Western Saddles before the Cowboy" by James = S. Hutchins, "Saddles of the Plains Indians" by John C. Ewers, and = "Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition" by Ann Nelson. I am reading them = now and will report back to you. I am not quite sure how to get the = pertinent information to all of you do not have the book. I went on the internet = in search of other copies and so far I found only 4. They range in price = from $35.00 to $100.00 ea. =20 Finally, I also wanted to mention that in an effort to get a saddle that would fit my persona and time frame, I acquired a replica of a Hussar = saddle that was, according to Randy Steffen in his book The Horse Soldier 1776-1943, Vol I The Revolution, the War of 1812, the Early Frontier 1776-1850, "used..during the Revolutionary War and by some units of U.S. Dragoons during the second war with the British.", p. 49. A drawing of = it is on page 50 of in Steffen's book. Louis Lasater also used a drawing = of Randy Steffen's on page 29 in his great article on Saddles in the = February, 2003, issue of "The Tomahawk and Long Rife", which is similar to my = saddle. In addition, Russel H. Beatie in his book entitled Saddles on page 50 states, "From 1821 to 1844 traders from Missouri, especially from Saint Louis, traded goods to Santa Fe and brought back goods, among which = saddles. Most of the trappers road flat saddles or dragoon saddles, over which = was thrown a buffalo robe, held in place by a surcingle. Though this fact distresses some proponents of the "western cult," it has been documented = by paintings by artists who lived and painted during the early 1800's." Consequently, my rationale for using it was that my persona could have = been a former soldier who had the saddle and took it with him west or he = could have acquired it through "War Surplus" like we do today. However, after = I had purchased the saddle, it has been pointed out to me that all of my sources are secondary or thirdly sources, not one is a primary source. While Beatie states there are paintings which verify his conclusion, I = am unaware of any. Therefore, I am still on the search for primary documentation or another saddle which can be documented. I also = discovered that my saddle is not very good for carrying all the stuff we need on historical treks. =20 =20 By the way, Bob Schmidt made the saddle and I have attached a picture of = it if anyone is interested. =20 Finally, the reason for all of this is that I am eager to share any information I have. I am just not sure the best way to do it. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I am also looking for new primary sources. If anyone has any suggestions, I would appreciate them as = well. I know this is quite a long message and thank you to anyone who had the necessary perseverance to wade through it. =20 Sincerely, Jerry - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C44B23.6AB1EB00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have been a member of the ALRA for over ten years, = but recently decided it would make more sense to study and participate in an = era that was closer to home.  It seemed interesting to me that many of = us who live in the West replicate personas from the East and those who live in = the East do Western interpretations.  Consequently I decided to move my persona out west and to a later time frame.  In the meantime, I = also acquired a horse several years ago and I wanted to use it as part of my pursuit.  However, to remain part of the ALRA, my time frame had to = not extend much beyond 1812.  As a result of all of this, I have been = doing quite a bit of research on early western saddles lately.  I = discovered that there is not much information out there.  Therefore, when I = heard about the paper, "Description of Saddlery in the Renwick = Exhibition" by Ann Nelson, I was excited about perhaps finding a new source.  = Now, I am some what embarrassed by what I am about to say.   I just = received a copy of the article and much to my chagrin; I discovered that it is = the last chapter in the book, Man Made Mobile edited by Richard E. = Ahlborn.  I recently acquired this book, but have only had time to read the first = 3 chapters; therefore, I did not recognize the name of the paper when I = saw it.  Perhaps some of you already have the book?  When I learned this, I went to = the book and reviewed all of the chapters.  I discovered that the last = 3 chapters are probably of more value to me than the first three that I read.  They are entitled, “Western Saddles before the = Cowboy” by James S. Hutchins, “Saddles of the Plains Indians” by = John C. Ewers, and "Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition" = by Ann Nelson.  I am reading them now and will report back to you.  I = am not quite sure how to get the pertinent information to all of you do not = have the book.   I went on the internet in search of other copies and = so far I found only 4.  They range in price from $35.00 to $100.00 = ea.

 

Finally, I also wanted to mention that in an effort = to get a saddle that would fit my persona and time frame, I acquired a replica of = a Hussar saddle that was, according to Randy Steffen in his book = The Horse Soldier 1776-1943, Vol I The = Revolution, the War of 1812, the Early Frontier 1776-1850, = “used….during the Revolutionary War and by some units of U.S. Dragoons during the = second war with the British.”, p. 49.   A drawing of it is on page = 50 of in Steffen’s book.  Louis = Lasater also used a drawing of Randy Steffen’s on page 29 in his great article on = Saddles in the February, 2003, issue of  “The Tomahawk and Long = Rife”, which is similar to my saddle.  In addition, Russel H. Beatie in his book entitled Saddles = on page 50 states, “From 1821 to 1844 traders from Missouri, especially from Saint Louis, traded goods to = Santa Fe and brought back goods, among which saddles.  Most of the trappers road flat = saddles or dragoon saddles, over which was thrown a buffalo robe, held in place = by a surcingle.  Though this fact distresses some proponents of the = “western cult,” it has been documented by paintings by artists who lived = and painted during the early 1800’s.”  Consequently, my = rationale for using it was that my persona could have been a former soldier who = had the saddle and took it with him west or he could have acquired it through = “War Surplus” like we do today.  However, after I had purchased = the saddle, it has been pointed out to me that all of my sources are = secondary or thirdly sources, not one is a primary source.  While Beatie states = there are paintings which verify his conclusion, I am unaware of any.  Therefore, I am still on the search for primary documentation or another = saddle which can be documented.  I also discovered that my saddle is not = very good for carrying all the stuff we need on historical treks.  =

 

By the way, Bob Schmidt = made the saddle and I have attached a picture of it if anyone is = interested.

 

Finally, the reason for all of this is that I am = eager to share any information I have.  I am just not sure the best way to = do it.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.  I am also looking = for new primary sources.  If anyone has any suggestions, I would appreciate = them as well.  I know this is quite a long message and thank you to = anyone who had the necessary perseverance to wade through it.

 

Sincerely,

Jerry

- ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C44B23.6AB1EB00-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 18:03:20 -0600 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition" by Ann Nelson This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C44B27.626BB490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jerry Check out research done by another member of this list Lee Teeter at=20 http://www.leeteter.com/researchTopics.asp?topic=3D3 Pay attention to saddles made by Grimsley (St Louis) for the military. Also on Dean Rudy's site there is a number of pics by Kurtz 1850's = Misouri River, in the one called the Californians or some such there is = a saddled but unridden horse with a military saddle. It might be = familair to you. Before you throw away your saddle look to see if it = could be modified to add ties to it etc. Spending some time looking at = Millers paintings can be enlightening. Sometimes there is more to see = there than we give credit for. Good luck on your search. Wynn Ormond ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Bell=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 5:34 PM Subject: MtMan-List: "Description of Saddlery in the Renwick = Exhibition" by Ann Nelson - ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C44B27.626BB490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jerry
 
Check out research done by another = member of this=20 list Lee Teeter at
 
http://www.= leeteter.com/researchTopics.asp?topic=3D3
 
Pay attention to saddles made by = Grimsley (St=20 Louis) for the military.
 
Also on Dean Rudy's site there is a = number of pics=20 by Kurtz 1850's Misouri River, in the one called the Californians or = some such=20 there is a saddled but unridden horse with a military saddle.  It = might be=20 familair to you.  Before you throw away your saddle look to see if = it could=20 be modified to add ties to it etc.  Spending some time looking at = Millers=20 paintings can be enlightening.  Sometimes there is more to see = there than=20 we give credit for.
 
Good luck on your search.
Wynn Ormond
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jerry=20 Bell
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 = 5:34=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: = "Description of=20 Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition" by Ann Nelson
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C44B27.626BB490-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 18:08:39 -0600 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: More horse stuff This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C44B28.20F35710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a referance I would like to have a copy of it is: in a forward to "Edward Warren by Sir William Drummond=20 Stewart. If I recall correctly he was in Baltimore, or Washington, = anyhow,=20 some back-east city...and he said (paraphrased to beat hell) "I have yet = to=20 see an American that can ride" Something about sacks of wheat or some = such." Does anyone have this in Stewarts words that could fax or mail me a copy = of it? Wynn Ormond =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C44B28.20F35710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a referance I would like to have = a copy of=20 it is:
 
in a forward to "Edward Warren by Sir William Drummond =
Stewart.  If I=20 recall correctly he was in Baltimore, or Washington, anyhow,
some = back-east=20 city...and he said (paraphrased to beat hell) "I have yet to
see an = American=20 that can ride"  Something about sacks of wheat or some=20 such."
 
Does anyone=20 have this in Stewarts words that could fax or mail me a copy = of=20 it?
 
Wynn=20 Ormond
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C44B28.20F35710-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:08:20 -0600 From: "Gene Hickman" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition" by Ann Nelson This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C44C0A.655EC4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks of info here Jerry. I did I miss something in a previous post? = Where are you located in the West? As Always,=20 Your Obedient Servant,=20 =20 Gene Hickman ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Bell=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 5:34 PM Subject: MtMan-List: "Description of Saddlery in the Renwick = Exhibition" by Ann Nelson I have been a member of the ALRA for over ten years, but recently = decided it would make more sense to study and participate in an era that = was closer to home. It seemed interesting to me that many of us who = live in the West replicate personas from the East and those who live in = the East do Western interpretations. Consequently I decided to move my = persona out west and to a later time frame. In the meantime, I also = acquired a horse several years ago and I wanted to use it as part of my = pursuit. However, to remain part of the ALRA, my time frame had to not = extend much beyond 1812. As a result of all of this, I have been doing = quite a bit of research on early western saddles lately. I discovered = that there is not much information out there. Therefore, when I heard = about the paper, "Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition" by = Ann Nelson, I was excited about perhaps finding a new source. Now, I am = some what embarrassed by what I am about to say. I just received a = copy of the article and much to my chagrin; I discovered that it is the = last chapter in the book, Man Made Mobile edited by Richard E. Ahlborn. = I recently acquired this book, but have only had time to read the first = 3 chapters; therefore, I did not recognize the name of the paper when I = saw it. Perhaps some of you already have the book? When I learned = this, I went to the book and reviewed all of the chapters. I discovered = that the last 3 chapters are probably of more value to me than the first = three that I read. They are entitled, "Western Saddles before the = Cowboy" by James S. Hutchins, "Saddles of the Plains Indians" by John C. = Ewers, and "Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition" by Ann = Nelson. I am reading them now and will report back to you. I am not = quite sure how to get the pertinent information to all of you do not = have the book. I went on the internet in search of other copies and so = far I found only 4. They range in price from $35.00 to $100.00 ea. Finally, I also wanted to mention that in an effort to get a saddle = that would fit my persona and time frame, I acquired a replica of a = Hussar saddle that was, according to Randy Steffen in his book The Horse = Soldier 1776-1943, Vol I The Revolution, the War of 1812, the Early = Frontier 1776-1850, "used..during the Revolutionary War and by some = units of U.S. Dragoons during the second war with the British.", p. 49. = A drawing of it is on page 50 of in Steffen's book. Louis Lasater also = used a drawing of Randy Steffen's on page 29 in his great article on = Saddles in the February, 2003, issue of "The Tomahawk and Long Rife", = which is similar to my saddle. In addition, Russel H. Beatie in his = book entitled Saddles on page 50 states, "From 1821 to 1844 traders from = Missouri, especially from Saint Louis, traded goods to Santa Fe and = brought back goods, among which saddles. Most of the trappers road flat = saddles or dragoon saddles, over which was thrown a buffalo robe, held = in place by a surcingle. Though this fact distresses some proponents of = the "western cult," it has been documented by paintings by artists who = lived and painted during the early 1800's." Consequently, my rationale = for using it was that my persona could have been a former soldier who = had the saddle and took it with him west or he could have acquired it = through "War Surplus" like we do today. However, after I had purchased = the saddle, it has been pointed out to me that all of my sources are = secondary or thirdly sources, not one is a primary source. While Beatie = states there are paintings which verify his conclusion, I am unaware of = any. Therefore, I am still on the search for primary documentation or = another saddle which can be documented. I also discovered that my = saddle is not very good for carrying all the stuff we need on historical = treks. =20 By the way, Bob Schmidt made the saddle and I have attached a picture = of it if anyone is interested. Finally, the reason for all of this is that I am eager to share any = information I have. I am just not sure the best way to do it. Any = suggestions would be appreciated. I am also looking for new primary = sources. If anyone has any suggestions, I would appreciate them as = well. I know this is quite a long message and thank you to anyone who = had the necessary perseverance to wade through it. 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Looks of info here Jerry. I did I miss something in a previous = post? Where=20 are you located in the West?
 
As Always,
Your Obedient Servant,
 
Gene = Hickman
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jerry=20 Bell
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 = 5:34=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: = "Description of=20 Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition" by Ann Nelson

I have been a member of = the ALRA=20 for over ten years, but recently decided it would make more sense to = study and=20 participate in an era that was closer to home.  It seemed = interesting to=20 me that many of us who live in the West replicate personas from the = East and=20 those who live in the East do Western interpretations.  = Consequently I=20 decided to move my persona out west and to a later time frame.  = In the=20 meantime, I also acquired a horse several years ago and I wanted to = use it as=20 part of my pursuit.  However, to remain part of the ALRA, my time = frame=20 had to not extend much beyond 1812.  As a result of all of this, = I have=20 been doing quite a bit of research on early western saddles = lately.  I=20 discovered that there is not much information out there.  = Therefore, when=20 I heard about the paper, "Description of Saddlery in the Renwick = Exhibition"=20 by Ann Nelson, I was excited about perhaps finding a new source.  = Now, I=20 am some what embarrassed by what I am about to say.   I just = received a copy of the article and much to my chagrin; I discovered = that it is=20 the last chapter in the book, Man Made Mobile edited by Richard = E.=20 Ahlborn.  I recently acquired this book, but have only had time = to read=20 the first 3 chapters; therefore, I did not recognize the name of the = paper=20 when I saw it.  Perhaps some of you already have the book?  = When I=20 learned this, I went to the book and reviewed all of the = chapters.  I=20 discovered that the last 3 chapters are probably of more value to me = than the=20 first three that I read.  They are entitled, =93Western Saddles = before the=20 Cowboy=94 by James S. Hutchins, =93Saddles of the Plains Indians=94 by = John C.=20 Ewers, and "Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition" by Ann = Nelson.=20  I am reading them now and will report back to you.  I am = not quite=20 sure how to get the pertinent information to all of you do not have = the=20 book.   I went on the internet in search of other copies and = so far=20 I found only 4.  They range in price from $35.00 to $100.00=20 ea.

 

Finally, I also wanted = to mention=20 that in an effort to get a saddle that would fit my persona and time = frame, I=20 acquired a replica of a Hussar saddle that was, according to Randy = Steffen in=20 his book The Horse Soldier = 1776-1943,=20 Vol I The Revolution, the War of 1812, the Early Frontier=20 1776-1850, =93used=85.during the Revolutionary War and = by some=20 units of U.S. Dragoons during the second war with the British.=94, p.=20 49.   A drawing of it is on page 50 of in Steffen=92s = book. =20 Louis = Lasater also used=20 a drawing of Randy Steffen=92s on page 29 in his great article on = Saddles in the=20 February, 2003, issue of  =93The Tomahawk and Long Rife=94, which = is similar=20 to my saddle.  In addition, Russel H. Beatie in his book entitled = Saddles on page = 50=20 states, =93From 1821 to 1844 traders from Missouri,=20 especially from Saint = Louis, traded=20 goods to Santa = Fe and=20 brought back goods, among which saddles.  Most of the trappers = road flat=20 saddles or dragoon saddles, over which was thrown a buffalo robe, held = in=20 place by a surcingle.  Though this fact distresses some = proponents of the=20 =93western cult,=94 it has been documented by paintings by artists who = lived and=20 painted during the early 1800=92s.=94  Consequently, my rationale = for using=20 it was that my persona could have been a former soldier who had the = saddle and=20 took it with him west or he could have acquired it through =93War = Surplus=94 like=20 we do today.  However, after I had purchased the saddle, it has = been=20 pointed out to me that all of my sources are secondary or thirdly = sources, not=20 one is a primary source.  While Beatie states there are paintings = which=20 verify his conclusion, I am unaware of any.  Therefore, I am = still on the=20 search for primary documentation or another saddle which can be=20 documented.  I also discovered that my saddle is not very good = for=20 carrying all the stuff we need on historical treks.  =

 

By the way, = Bob Schmidt = made the=20 saddle and I have attached a picture of it if anyone is=20 interested.

 

Finally, the reason for = all of=20 this is that I am eager to share any information I have.  I am = just not=20 sure the best way to do it.  Any suggestions would be = appreciated. =20 I am also looking for new primary sources.  If anyone has any=20 suggestions, I would appreciate them as well.  I know this is = quite a=20 long message and thank you to anyone who had the necessary = perseverance to=20 wade through it.

 

Sincerely,

Jerry

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