From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1391 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, September 3 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1391 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: another brain tan question -       RE: MtMan-List: another brain tan question -       MtMan-List: Thanks Matt -       Re: MtMan-List: Thanks Matt -       Re: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... -       Re: MtMan-List: another brain tan question -       MtMan-List: Brain tan Question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:34:41 -0600 From: Dennis Knapp Subject: MtMan-List: another brain tan question Since we are on the subject of brain tanning, here is another question about stored hides. What about hides that have been in the freezer for 1-2 years. Will they still be good to tan. The hair is still on. I keep thinking about doing brain tanning but have not as yet. No excuses, just haven't. Maybe some of the PRP boys could get together for a weekend and demonstrate brain tanning to the beginner with their own hide. Hint hint!! VBG Regards, Dennis Knapp southern Idaho - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:14:37 -0700 From: "Matt Richards" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: another brain tan question Dennis Knapp & List Frozen hides will keep indefinitely for tanning as buckskin. They won't have the mucus break down that dried out hides have, so they'll behave more like fresh hides. They will be wetscrape nicely though, just like fresh hides. We have an article on storing hides online at http://www.braintan.com/articles/storing.html Matt Richards www.braintan.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Knapp Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 2:35 PM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: MtMan-List: another brain tan question Since we are on the subject of brain tanning, here is another question about stored hides. What about hides that have been in the freezer for 1-2 years. Will they still be good to tan. The hair is still on. I keep thinking about doing brain tanning but have not as yet. No excuses, just haven't. Maybe some of the PRP boys could get together for a weekend and demonstrate brain tanning to the beginner with their own hide. Hint hint!! VBG Regards, Dennis Knapp southern Idaho - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:04:06 -0700 From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: MtMan-List: Thanks Matt - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Matt, I've been seeing you on the list, and just wanted to say 'Thanks' for all of the help you have been to me and so many others. I've tanned about 18 hides (3 of them elk) , and got most of my learning from your book and website. I've ordered tools from you and you were great to do business with. A hide scraper I ordered was back ordered, hey..it happens. You sent a personal note and a free signed copy of your book to appologize....above and beyond the call of duty, and greatly appreciated. If any of you folks haven't checked out Matt's site, do so.... you won't be disappointed. http://braintan.com/ I still have much to learn, but feel confident that practice and the info. that Matt makes available will turn me in to a first rate tanner yet. Thanks again Matt. Yfab, Randy Randal Bublitz rjbublitz@earthlink.net life is short, paddle hard... - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

Hi Matt,          I've been seeing you on the list, and just wanted to say 'Thanks' for all of the help you have been to me and so many others.  I've tanned about 18 hides (3 of them elk) , and got most of my learning from your book and website.  I've ordered tools from you and you were great to do business with.  A hide scraper I ordered was back ordered, hey..it happens.  You sent a personal note and a free signed copy of your book to appologize....above and beyond the call of duty, and greatly appreciated. 
           If any of you folks haven't checked out Matt's site, do so.... you won't be disappointed.  http://braintan.com/    
  I still have much to learn, but feel confident that practice and the info. that Matt makes available will turn me in to a first rate tanner yet.    Thanks again Matt.            Yfab, Randy
 
 
Randal Bublitz
rjbublitz@earthlink.net
life is short, paddle hard...
 

- ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:22:41 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Thanks Matt - -------------------------------1093998161 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/31/2004 5:05:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rjbublitz@earthlink.net writes: 'Thanks' for all of the help you have been to me and so many others. I have to 2nd that, and add that while there are some of us may not have the time, space, neighbors or inclination to do tanning, Matt and his lovely bride Michelle also custom make clothing and bags. IMO their skins, designs and workmanship are something to behold. Matt - Hope all is well with you and yours, Barney (Ralph Rosen) - -------------------------------1093998161 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Matt - Hope all is well with you and yours,   Ba= rney=20 (Ralph Rosen)
 - -------------------------------1093998161-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:41:15 EDT From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mr. Mitchell: a question about brain tan... In a message dated 8/30/04 1:05:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, matt@braintan.com writes: With brain tan buckskin, the only sure sign that there is a problem is if the hide starts falling apart... >> Matt and others, Thanks for the feedback. I am sad to say that the hides did NOT turn out too well today when I took them out of the rinse. I had used Red Devil Lye to make my buck...hair slipped well. I rinsed the hides in water for about 4-5 days...a big RubberMaid container with my hose in it at a low trickle to keep water convection happening...hides weighted with a big rock and turned several times. When I went to scrape off the grain today, the hides got holes VERY easily. I just gave up when my best and biggest hide got its ninth hole right in the middle. My scraper (drawknife) was not too sharp...this I know for sure. I wonder if one or three things occurred...I left them in the lye solution and or water too long an weakened the hide; my buck was too strong (though same solution I have used before with great results) and weakened the hide, I was trying to scrape off too much grain (the last hides I tried the grain came off in a very distinct layer - these did not behave in such a manner. In fact, it looked as if on a very thin gummy buildup was on the scraper and I was just pushing water out of the hides) OR carrying a squirming child all over for the past 20 months has made me stronger than I realized causing me to scrape holes in my hides. Any ideas? Criticisms? Critiques? It seems these hides were possessed or something. The last two were very small and I just dehaired them and let them dry to rawhide for drumheads/containers. Fortunately, deer season here is but a month away and I have a processor who will save hides for me...should even get a summer hide or three what with our weather staying hot till November and deer season opening Oct. 1st. Thanks all for any ideas. - -Christopher - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:08:47 -0600 From: "Michael Powell" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: another brain tan question This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C48FB7.D9E6B860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dennis, You know us PRP boys will be at Bridger this Labor Day weekend and brain = tanning is one of the demos we are planning to do. I know of a couple = of people who need to be doing hides so join and get your hands dirty. Later, Mike Powell AMM #1769 Poison River Party Booshway "Aux Aliment Du Pays" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matt Richards=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 4:14 PM Subject: RE: MtMan-List: another brain tan question Dennis Knapp & List Frozen hides will keep indefinitely for tanning as buckskin. They = won't have the mucus break down that dried out hides have, so they'll behave more = like fresh hides. They will be wetscrape nicely though, just like fresh = hides. We have an article on storing hides online at = http://www.braintan.com/articles/storing.html=20 Matt Richards www.braintan.com -----Original Message----- From: = owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Knapp Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 2:35 PM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: MtMan-List: another brain tan question Since we are on the subject of brain tanning, here is another question = about stored hides. What about hides that have been in the freezer for 1-2 years. = Will they still be good to tan. The hair is still on. I keep thinking about doing = brain tanning but have not as yet. No excuses, just haven't. Maybe some of the PRP boys = could get together for a weekend and demonstrate brain tanning to the beginner = with their own hide. Hint hint!! VBG Regards, Dennis Knapp southern Idaho ---------------------- hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C48FB7.D9E6B860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dennis,
You know us PRP boys will be at Bridger this Labor Day weekend and = brain=20 tanning is one of the demos we are planning to do.  I know of a = couple of=20 people who need to be doing hides so join and get your hands = dirty.
Later,
Mike Powell
AMM #1769  Poison River Party Booshway
"Aux Aliment Du = Pays"
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Subject: RE: MtMan-List: = another brain=20 tan question

Dennis Knapp & List

Frozen hides will keep=20 indefinitely for tanning as buckskin. They won't have
the mucus = break down=20 that dried out hides have, so they'll behave more like
fresh hides. = They=20 will be wetscrape nicely though, just like fresh hides. We
have an = article=20 on storing hides online at
http://www.brainta= n.com/articles/storing.html=20

Matt Richards
www.braintan.com

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Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 2:35 = PM
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Subject:=20 MtMan-List: another brain tan question

Since we are on the = subject of=20 brain tanning, here is another question about
stored
hides. What = about=20 hides that have been in the freezer for 1-2 years. Will
they = still
be=20 good to tan. The hair is still on. I keep thinking about doing=20 brain
tanning but
have not as yet. No excuses, just haven't. = Maybe some=20 of the PRP boys could
get
together for a weekend and demonstrate = brain=20 tanning to the beginner with
their own
hide. Hint hint!!=20 VBG
Regards,
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- ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C48FB7.D9E6B860-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:29:18 -0600 From: "Keith Mitchell" Subject: MtMan-List: Brain tan Question This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C491CA.C7154DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry to hear about the hides and sorry I was unable to answer my emails = for so long I have been swamped with skins to do so let me put in my two = bits first off with salt dried hides you can relax them back and make = them act like a fresh skin not very primitive but effective is to use a = commercial relaxing agent to soak the hides in but tan as normal with = the hides that tore I think that the grain was harder to remove because = their was no swelling of the skin see lye is caustic ph of about 12 to = 16 and that is what makes the hair slip but I prefer lime it is cheaper = and makes the hide swell so you can see the grain layer better however = you can leave a skin in any of these too long what happens is the lye or = lime starts to compress the fibers of the skin and weakens it is easy = to do I will be up to Bridger on sat and would love to answer any = questions. the brain tan demo sounds great I hope to see some of it I = can always lean more. If you need any more help or have any more = questions feel free to ask and do not give the tanning up their is = nothing more fun than busting your butt and then thinking feel this = velvet soft skin I did that. and of course check out matts web site it = was a life saver to me more than one time If you get a chance to buy = his dvd I would highly recommend it great watching I have tanned 100's = of skins watch the movie once in awhile and lean something new almost = every time that is one of the joys of tanning traditionally or = commercially their is always some one that has a new idea or method and = you get to lean it thanks for your time=20 Keith Mitchell P.S. see you at fort Bridger - ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C491CA.C7154DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry to hear about the hides and sorry = I was=20 unable to answer my emails for so long I have been swamped with skins to = do so=20 let me put in my two bits first off with salt dried hides you can relax = them=20 back and make them act like a fresh skin not very primitive but = effective is to=20 use a commercial relaxing agent to soak the hides in but tan as normal = with the=20 hides that tore I think that the grain was harder to remove because = their was no=20 swelling of the skin see lye is caustic ph of about 12 to 16 and that is = what=20 makes the hair slip but I prefer lime it is cheaper and makes the hide = swell so=20 you can see the grain layer better however you can leave a skin in any = of these=20 too long what happens is the lye or lime starts to compress the fibers = of the=20 skin and weakens it is easy to do I will be up to Bridger on sat and = would love=20 to answer any questions. the brain tan demo sounds great I hope to see = some of=20 it I can always lean more. If you need any more help or have any more = questions=20 feel free to ask and do not give the tanning up their is nothing more = fun than=20 busting your butt and then thinking feel this velvet soft skin I did = that. and=20 of course check out matts web site it was a life saver to me more than = one time=20 If you get  a chance to buy his dvd I would highly recommend it = great=20 watching I have tanned 100's of skins watch the movie once in awhile and = lean=20 something new almost every time that is one of the joys of tanning = traditionally=20 or commercially their is always some one that has a new idea or method = and you=20 get to lean it
thanks for your time
Keith Mitchell
P.S. see you at fort=20 Bridger
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