From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #167 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Saturday, November 7 1998 Volume 01 : Number 167 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 23:16:50 -0600 From: Don Neighbors Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Platte River Would like all the infor I can get. I am planning a trip on the Platte in two years. If there are any books out thier let me know. I am interested on sites that early trappers wre at on the river, rendezvoos, trails,etc. Ol Buck thank you ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 10:21:02 -0600 From: Jim Lindberg Subject: MtMan-List: intro letter I'm looking for a copy of the intro letter you get when you subscribe to the list, I'm doing a workshop on voyageurs and the internet at the North American Voyageur Council gathering this weekend. Please email me privately with this. Thanks, Jim - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ /`-_ Jim Lindberg |Les Voyageurs du Val du Chippewa { . }/ 724 East Grand Avenue |Flambeau Rivere Voyageurs \ / Chippewa Falls, WI 54729 USA |Sweete water and light laughter, |___| http://reality.sgi.com/jal/ |Until we next meete. Go Gentle. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:59:06 -0500 From: "John L. Allen" Subject: MtMan-List: Rubber goods This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01BE08B3.B0AF4FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ho the list, A question was raised a few days ago about whether or not Lewis and = Clark had a rubber boat. This question came out of the thread relating = to rubber ponchos, etc. Lewis and Clark did not have a rubber boat. They carried an iron frame = (made in Pittsburgh) for a "portable boat" up the Missouri as far as = Great Falls where they abandoned (or cached) it. This iron frame was = intended to be covered with hides and/or bark. Although we have no good = description of it, it was probably something like an Irish curragh--or = even like a Mandan bullboat. John C. Fremont, in 1842-44, used rubber boats on his first two = expeditions into the West. He refers to them as "India rubber" boats and = mentions them in his journals as being used on both the North Platte and = the Great Salt Lake. His rubber boat worked well on the Platte in 1842. = The next year, on Salt Lake, he noted that the rubber boat didn't work = as well since it wasn't "as well stitched together" as the one used on = his first expedition. This suggests a boat made from several pieces of = material sewn in some fashion. These rubber boats were 20 feet long and = 5 feet wide and could carry a wagon. They were apparently inflatable (he = mentions several places "filling our India rubber boat with air"). Best = source for Fremont is Donald Jackson and Mary Spence (eds.), THE = EXPEDITIONS OF JOHN CHARLES FREMONT, 3 vols. Univ. of Illinois Press. If Fremont, in 1842-44, was using an inflatable rubber boat, then = obviously the technology was in place to make serviceable ponchos, etc. = out of rubber or rubber-coated cloth during at least the tail end of the = Rocky Mountain fur trade era. Keep your powder dry. John =20 Dr. John L. Allen 21 Thomas Drive Storrs, CT 06268 860/487-1346 jlallen@snet.net - ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01BE08B3.B0AF4FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ho the list,
 
A question was raised a few days ago about whether = or not=20 Lewis and Clark had a rubber boat. This question came out of the thread = relating=20 to rubber ponchos, etc.
 
Lewis and Clark did not have a rubber boat. They = carried an=20 iron frame (made in Pittsburgh) for a "portable boat" up the = Missouri=20 as far as Great Falls where they abandoned (or cached) it. This iron = frame was=20 intended to be covered with hides and/or bark. Although we have no good=20 description of it, it was probably something like an Irish curragh--or = even like=20 a Mandan bullboat.
 
John C. Fremont, in 1842-44, used rubber boats on = his first=20 two expeditions into the West. He refers to them as "India = rubber"=20 boats and mentions them in his journals as being used on both the North = Platte=20 and the Great Salt Lake. His rubber boat worked well on the Platte in = 1842. The=20 next year, on Salt Lake, he noted that the rubber boat didn't work as = well since=20 it wasn't "as well stitched together" as the one used on his = first=20 expedition. This suggests a boat made from several pieces of material = sewn in=20 some fashion. These rubber boats were 20 feet long and 5 feet wide and = could=20 carry a wagon. They were apparently inflatable (he  mentions = several places=20 "filling our India rubber boat with air"). Best source for = Fremont is=20 Donald Jackson and Mary Spence (eds.), THE EXPEDITIONS OF JOHN CHARLES = FREMONT,=20 3 vols. Univ. of Illinois Press.
 
If Fremont, in 1842-44, was using an inflatable = rubber boat,=20 then obviously the technology was in place to make serviceable ponchos, = etc. out=20 of rubber or rubber-coated cloth during at least the tail end of the = Rocky=20 Mountain fur trade era.
 
Keep your powder dry.
 
John
 
Dr. John L. Allen
21 Thomas = Drive
Storrs,=20 CT 06268
860/487-1346
jlallen@snet.net
 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01BE08B3.B0AF4FC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:41:26 -0500 From: "John L. Allen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Platte River Don, Whereabouts on the Platte? North Platte in Wyoming? South Platte in Colorado? Platte below the junction in Nebraska? If you'll give me some idea of where you're trying to get to (or from), I'll try to help. If you're thinking of traveling on the river itself, you have a task before you. Depending on time of year and how much water is being let out of reservoirs, water levels can get really low and there's a lot more sand bar than river in many areas--not enough draft for even an 18' foot canoe. I've done some canoe trips on both the North and South Platte but only above (upstream) from the last dams. Best boat for most of the Platte is a rubber raft. I'm not aware of any books on boating the Platte specifically (there is some information on floating the Platte in Wyoming for fishing) but I'll look through some of my sources to see what I can find for you. John Dr. John L. Allen 21 Thomas Drive Storrs, CT 06268 860/487-1346 jlallen@snet.net - -----Original Message----- From: Don Neighbors To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 11:13 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Platte River >Would like all the infor I can get. I am planning a trip on the Platte >in two years. If there are any books out thier let me know. I am >interested on sites that early trappers wre at on the river, rendezvoos, >trails,etc. Ol Buck thank you > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 11:04:06 +0000 From: Joseph Miller Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Platte River Dear Don, Re: Your inquiry on the Platte river--I can help on the South Platte in Colorado. Actually the North Platte head waters originate in Colorado and flows north into Wyoming and then southeast to meet the South Platte at North Platte, Nebraska. On the South Platte in Colorado there were several trapper forts in Weld County near Greeley. Only one is reconstructed and has a visitors Center. It is Fort Vasquez at Platteville, CO which is about 30 miles down stream from Denver and 20 miles up stream from Greeley. It was started by Louis Vasquez. - -------- Another researcher(Elizabeth Larson) states: Six miles upstream and just south of the present town of Platteville was a famous center for fur trading built in 1837 by Louis Vasquez and Andrew Sublette who named it Fort Vasquez. It was subsequently destroyed by Indians around 1842. With the 1859 gold rush to Colorado, traders and settlers restored part of the fort, using it for living quarters. The Overland Mail Express stages stopped there only if there was a passenger or shipment to be left off. ============ Another one is Fort St. Vrain about 6-8 miles down stream where the St Vrain and So, Platte rivers merge. Nothing remains of it except a marker(Elizabeth Larson)historical writer states: A wooden sign is posted which tells of a 1967 archaeological survey conducted by the Colorado State Historical Society. About 50 feet beyond the wooden sign is a big concrete slab with three steps up onto it. A big granite square slab about 6 feet tall stands on top of the concrete slab. It says: The plaque reads: FORT ST. VRAIN BUILT ABOUT 1837 BY COL. CERAN ST. VRAIN. GENERAL FREMONT REORGANIZED HIS HISTORIC EXPLORING EXPEDITION HERE JULY 23, 1848. THIS FORT WAS ALSO VISITED BY FRANCIS PARKMAN AND KIT CARSON. ERECTED BY CENTENNIAL STATE CHAPTER DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION 1911 The writer further states: Fort St. Vrain was established in 1837 by Ceran St. Vrain, a French fur trader and trapper, and his friends, the Bent Brothers. St. Vrain and the Bents also established a fort in 1833 on the Santa Fe Trail near La Junta, Colorado called Bent's Old Fort. ====== Eventually maybe by the time you get ready to float down So. Platte(lol) I should have in Historical Section under Forts will have the many forts here in Colorado, so check in at my web site from time to time. Sincerely, Joseph Miller - -- Friends of Bill W. and Dr. Bob, Welcome! To be Happy, Joyous and Free Joseph Miller, Webmaster http://www.Colorado-Mall.com For information on leasing mall space E-mail: leasing@Colorado-Mall.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 15:52:25 -0800 From: Dale Nelson Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rubber goods John C Funk wrote: > > My thanks to John, Phyllis, Don and Jim for the interesting treatise on > "vulcanization" of cotton cloth with natural rubber. The more I think about it I tend such items were rather > scarce. > > Any further thoughts???????? "Arms and Equipment of the Union," Time Life Books, ISBN 0-7370-3158-1 has pictures on page 215 of a rubber blanket 45'x79', fitted with brass grommets, issued to the infantry Nov. 1861, and a rubberized poncho first issued to mounted troops in Nov 1861. Also fitted with brass grommets and a buttoned slit. On page 167 there is a photo of a rubberized Sou'wester hat worn by sailors in foul weather. When I was a kid I had a Sou'wester hat that looked just like this one. Actually we might be very surprised if we knew how common the use of rubber blankets etc. was. Sometimes the stuff that was used the most was mentioned least, because everyone knew about it, and it didn't need mentioning. DN ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 19:50:29 -0800 From: Dale Nelson Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Mt man-List: rubber ponchos John C Funk wrote: > > My thanks to John, Phyllis, Don and Jim for the interesting treatise on > "vulcanization" of cotton cloth with natural rubber. The more I think about it I tend such items were rather > scarce. > > Any further thoughts???????? "Arms and Equipment of the Union," Time Life Books, ISBN 0-7370-3158-1 has pictures on page 215 of a rubber blanket 45'x79', fitted with brass grommets, issued to the infantry Nov. 1861, and a rubberized poncho first issued to mounted troops in Nov 1861. Also fitted with brass grommets and a buttoned slit. On page 167 there is a photo of a rubberized Sou'wester hat worn by sailors in foul weather. When I was a kid I had a Sou'wester hat that looked just like this one. Actually we might be very surprised if we knew how common the use of rubber blankets etc. was. Sometimes the stuff that was used the most was mentioned least, because everyone knew about it, and it didn't need mentioning. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 20:27:54 EST From: Grantd9@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: New Knife I just got my new knife today that a fellow list member, Dennis over at the double edge forge made up for me. I just had to write and brag! What an awesome knife! It is a copy of a knife in Madison Grants book "The Knife in Home Spun America." It is HK-3 on page 92. Dennis did an incredibly good job of recreating this knife and for a great price too. There is a picture of it on his home page if anyone is interested. I listed the URL below. I guess I finally own my first truely authentic accoutrement! Thanks Dennis! Grant http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1/wi.GIF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 19:48:11 -0600 From: Jim Colburn Subject: MtMan-List: On-Line Trade Blanket Washtahay- the final edition of my on-line trade blanket will go out Friday AM. if you want a copy let me know-OFF LIST. LongWalker c. du B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 19:28:34 -0700 From: "Barry Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Platte River Hello Camp, I have done the North Platte from Scotts Bluff NE and the South Platte from Ft. Morgan CO going to Ft. DeChartre IL, apprx 1260 river miles - figure a month of hard work and worth the effort - every inch of the way. Good detailed maps are available from the Coast Guard for both sections of this river, including the irr.damns and man made lakes. North Platte; You can expect several portages a day that take close to an hour per portage to move a 1/4 mile depending on equipage on the North Platte. This will last for several hundred miles and you will have to watch the water line in front of you there are two lakes with hydro plant damns, (one did not have floats or ropes to warn you of a three hundred foot down ride into the hydro plant shoot, lucky seeing the level condition of the river tipped us to go look at see why it was different, before getting to far with no return). You will have anything from sandy beaches to poison ivy patches to camp on until you hit the Missouri river. Thats not as bad as it sounds if careful. South Platte; You can expect at least one portage a day that again will take close to an hour per portage depending on equipage as on the North Platte. Only good thing going this way is the river banks are not as steep on most of the portages. You'll encounter more wire fences on this section of the Platte. Camps are a little further apart, and not as much drainage projects as in NE going this way, but less shelter from the wind, which can slow you down to a crawl at times, even to walking the canoes. Saw more snakes on this route also and had more visitors at night, locals that saw our small camp fires. Less game was seen on the South Platte probably do to less trees and the flatness. I think the North Platte is prettier and more interesting landscapes, plus the folks we met seemed friendlier and willing to help with any problems, one example was they helped us with a 4 mile portage around one hydro plant. Seemed the Fish & Game people were nicer too, had a warden chase us for several miles, as his wife had seen us on local TV the night before and made us punch and cookies, said he had to deliever or forget going home. You will work hardier than you have for a while at making the distance you figure, (shoot for 25-30 a day), some days you'll get lucky and do 35-40, then turn around the next day an be lucky to make 15. You should contact some of the sporting good stores in the towns going by just before starting you trip, they are great on knowing what water conditions are like for their area. We found this out on one adventure, went to the South Platte and the river was not passable, then had to drive half a day to the North Platte for water. If you wish I can probably give you distances and other information on the North Platte and will try and get my information back on the South Platte too. Buck Conner Baker Party CO ___________________________________________ - -----Original Message----- From: John L. Allen To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 10:25 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Platte River >Don, > >Whereabouts on the Platte? North Platte in Wyoming? South Platte in >Colorado? Platte below the junction in Nebraska? If you'll give me some idea >of where you're trying to get to (or from), I'll try to help. If you're >thinking of traveling on the river itself, you have a task before you. >Depending on time of year and how much water is being let out of reservoirs, >water levels can get really low and there's a lot more sand bar than river >in many areas--not enough draft for even an 18' foot canoe. I've done some >canoe trips on both the North and South Platte but only above (upstream) >from the last dams. Best boat for most of the Platte is a rubber raft. > >I'm not aware of any books on boating the Platte specifically (there is some >information on floating the Platte in Wyoming for fishing) but I'll look >through some of my sources to see what I can find for you. > >John > >Dr. John L. Allen >21 Thomas Drive >Storrs, CT 06268 >860/487-1346 >jlallen@snet.net > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Don Neighbors >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 11:13 AM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Platte River > > >>Would like all the infor I can get. I am planning a trip on the Platte >>in two years. If there are any books out thier let me know. I am >>interested on sites that early trappers wre at on the river, rendezvoos, >>trails,etc. Ol Buck thank you >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 98 23:19:29 PST From: "Paul W. Jones" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rubber goods Also consider that Sir William Drumond Stewart used an inflatable rubber = boat in the 1840's on a lake in the Wind River Range. I will get the cite for anyone interested. Paul W. Jones - ---------- > Ho the list, > > A question was raised a few days ago about whether or not Lewis and Cla= rk had > a rubber boat. This question came out of the thread relating to rubber > ponchos, etc. > > Lewis and Clark did not have a rubber boat. They carried an iron frame = (made > in Pittsburgh) for a "portable boat" up the Missouri as far as Great = Falls > where they abandoned (or cached) it. This iron frame was intended to = be > covered with hides and/or bark. Although we have no good description = of it, it > was probably something like an Irish curragh--or even like a Mandan bul= lboat. > > John C. Fremont, in 1842-44, used rubber boats on his first two expedit= ions > into the West. He refers to them as "India rubber" boats and mentions = them in > his journals as being used on both the North Platte and the Great Salt = Lake. > His rubber boat worked well on the Platte in 1842. The next year, on = Salt > Lake, he noted that the rubber boat didn't work as well since it wasn't= "as > well stitched together" as the one used on his first expedition. This = suggests > a boat made from several pieces of material sewn in some fashion. These= rubber > boats were 20 feet long and 5 feet wide and could carry a wagon. They = were > apparently inflatable (he mentions several places "filling our India = rubber > boat with air"). Best source for Fremont is Donald Jackson and Mary Spe= nce > (eds.), THE EXPEDITIONS OF JOHN CHARLES FREMONT, 3 vols. Univ. of Illin= ois > Press. > > If Fremont, in 1842-44, was using an inflatable rubber boat, then obvio= usly > the technology was in place to make serviceable ponchos, etc. out of = rubber or > rubber-coated cloth during at least the tail end of the Rocky Mountain = fur > trade era. > > Keep your powder dry. > > John > > Dr. John L. Allen > 21 Thomas Drive > Storrs, CT 06268 > 860/487-1346 > jlallen@snet.net > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 02:49:15 -0500 From: "Fred A. Miller" Subject: MtMan-List: GOEX "up in smoke." Just in..... Fred _________________________________ November 5, 1998 Web posted at: 7:59 p.m. EST (0059 GMT) MINDEN, Louisiana (AP) -- An explosion and flash fire tore through a building at an ammunition plant Thursday, killing one employee. The plant, operated by Goex Inc. in a remote wooded area of Webster parish in northwestern Louisiana, produces black powder ammunition. Until 1994, it was the site of the now-closed Louisiana Army Ammunition Plant. The explosion happened during the initial manufacturing process of the powder, said Goex president Mick Fahringer. The loose powder quickly burned itself out, he said. The dead employee was identified as Paul Van Luvender, of Haughton. No one else was hurt, Fahringer said. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 07:29:23 -0700 From: Gary Farabee Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rubber goods Paul W. Jones wrote: > > Also consider that Sir William Drumond Stewart used an inflatable rubber boat in the 1840's on a lake in the Wind River Range. > > I will get the cite for anyone interested. Paul W. Jones > > ---------- > > Ho the list, > > > > A question was raised a few days ago about whether or not Lewis and Clark had > > a rubber boat. This question came out of the thread relating to rubber > > ponchos, etc. > > > > Lewis and Clark did not have a rubber boat. They carried an iron frame (made > > in Pittsburgh) for a "portable boat" up the Missouri as far as Great Falls > > where they abandoned (or cached) it. This iron frame was intended to be > > covered with hides and/or bark. Although we have no good description of it, it > > was probably something like an Irish curragh--or even like a Mandan bullboat. > > > > John C. Fremont, in 1842-44, used rubber boats on his first two expeditions > > into the West. He refers to them as "India rubber" boats and mentions them in > > his journals as being used on both the North Platte and the Great Salt Lake. > > His rubber boat worked well on the Platte in 1842. The next year, on Salt > > Lake, he noted that the rubber boat didn't work as well since it wasn't "as > > well stitched together" as the one used on his first expedition. This suggests > > a boat made from several pieces of material sewn in some fashion. These rubber > > boats were 20 feet long and 5 feet wide and could carry a wagon. They were > > apparently inflatable (he mentions several places "filling our India rubber > > boat with air"). Best source for Fremont is Donald Jackson and Mary Spence > > (eds.), THE EXPEDITIONS OF JOHN CHARLES FREMONT, 3 vols. Univ. of Illinois > > Press. > > > > If Fremont, in 1842-44, was using an inflatable rubber boat, then obviously > > the technology was in place to make serviceable ponchos, etc. out of rubber or > > rubber-coated cloth during at least the tail end of the Rocky Mountain fur > > trade era. > > > > Keep your powder dry. > > > > John > > > > Dr. John L. Allen > > 21 Thomas Drive > > Storrs, CT 06268 > > 860/487-1346 > > jlallen@snet.net > > > >The rubber boat used by Stewart was on the Lake at Pinedale, Wyo. They calles it Stewart Lake but it is now called Fremont Lake. The Ole Gray Bear ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:43:24 -0500 From: "Pearce Gardner" Subject: MtMan-List: why dry raw meat For sometime now, I have heard that it is bad to allow meat to cook or get too hot if one plans to dry the meat. I posted this information on another mail list I subscribe to and have been challenged on it. Can some one write to me and explain why it is bad to dry cooked meat? Thanks for your help. Pearce gpromo@access.digex.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:19:19 -0500 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why dry raw meat Hi, I don't really know the techincal reasons on the subject, but I do know that when I make pemmican, when you mix the fat with the rest of ingredients, you want the fat cool enough that it will not cook the dried meat the mixture contains. If it does cook the meat, it will go rancid. If then you eat it, you will die, or WISH you would. Dennis Miles "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accouterments http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 - -----Original Message----- From: Pearce Gardner To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, November 06, 1998 10:20 AM Subject: MtMan-List: why dry raw meat >For sometime now, I have heard that it is bad to allow meat to cook or get >too hot if one plans to dry the meat. I posted this information on another >mail list I subscribe to and have been challenged on it. Can some one write >to me and explain why it is bad to dry cooked meat? Thanks for your help. > >Pearce gpromo@access.digex.net > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 09:58:07 -0600 From: Jim Colburn Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why dry raw meat Washtahay- At 07:43 PM 11/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >For sometime now, I have heard that it is bad to allow meat to cook or get >too hot if one plans to dry the meat. I posted this information on another >mail list I subscribe to and have been challenged on it. Can some one write >to me and explain why it is bad to dry cooked meat? Thanks for your help. It tastes bad. LongWalker c. du B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 08:26:54 -0500 From: "Carpenter's" Subject: MtMan-List: Native seeds Dear list: Try this web site for native seeds, related items and other good stuff for those of the interests we have. http://desert.net/seeds/home.htm I got this from Pipe Springs National Monument, an old Mormon fort, in Arizona. They grow traditional plants in the garden there and this is one place they get their seeds. Carp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 21:35:04 EST From: GHickman@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why dry raw meat In a message dated 11/6/98 8:10:30 AM Mountain Standard Time, bwana@inna.net writes: << Can some one write to me and explain why it is bad to dry cooked meat? >> I can't tell you but you might try: http://www.greatjerky.com/index.html. These are professional jerky "people" and I bet they could tell you. Ghosting Wolf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 22:21:52 -0800 From: Chris Sega Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why dry raw meat Jim Colburn wrote: > >For sometime now, I have heard that it is bad to allow meat to cook or get > >too hot if one plans to dry the meat. I posted this information on another > >mail list I subscribe to and have been challenged on it. Can some one write > >to me and explain why it is bad to dry cooked meat? Thanks for your help. > I've made the mistake of drying meat at too high a temperature and it cooked as it dried. What happened to me was that the meat dried out so much that it was crumbly and turned into dust in the haversack.Your most onry' and disobedient hivernant Sega ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 08:00:00 -0600 From: Jim Colburn Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why dry raw meat Washtahay- At 10:21 PM 11/6/98 -0800, you wrote: > > >Jim Colburn wrote: > >> >For sometime now, I have heard that it is bad to allow meat to cook or get The hell I did! I was answering the original poster, who made that comment. Please be careful of your attributions. Some folks get a might peeved when made to say things they didn't say. LongWalker c. du B. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:07:23 EST From: Mtnman1449@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Platte River Don-- Try "The Great Platte river Road" by Merrill J. Mattes, Bison Books. Long since out of print in hard back, and generally goes for $100 when found. But Bison Books , University of Nebraska Press,has a paperback edition out for $16.95 Pat Surrena #1449 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:34:00 EST From: Rkleinx2@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Flathead Post Hello the list, Dale Morgan in his 'Jedediah Smith' wrote that " The Hudson's Bay Company's advance base, Flathead Post, was situated.... at present Eddy, Montana". I know generally where the Post was but since I can't find Eddy on Montana's map, would someone please pinpoint the location for me? Thanks. Dick ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #167 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.