From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #198 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, December 17 1998 Volume 01 : Number 198 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:19:15 -0500 From: "Fred A. Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: HAPPY HOLIDAYS.... Addison Miller wrote: > > Leaving on Monday for the COLD midwest... Omaha, Nebraska... to spend > Christmas with my inlaws. > > Wanted to wish everyone out there a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS, and a wonderful > and prosperous 1999. Thanks! The same from us to you and yours! Best, Fred __ "Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:04:26 EST From: Casapy123@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More on early tanneries The following citations all come from "The Fur Trade," Vol. II, written by Paul C. Phillips, University of Oklahoma Press, 1961. While not as detailed as one might like, these references establish that there was a lot of "manufacturing" of leather products in America in its early years. I'll keep looking. p. 120 - "During the early years of the republice, the fabrication of pelts was an important industry. Imports from Europe were scarce, and hats, shoes, and clothing were produced almost entirely within the United States. Textile manufactures had not yet developed, and the chief raw material was the pelts of animals. Tanneries used deerskins for the manufacture of leather, and these skins came from the South as well as from the country along the northern Alleghenies." p. 120 - The furriers and tanners of the day operated individually, on a small scale. But there were many of them - enough to supply the needs of the country - and the aggregate of their business was large. Their names have mostly been forgotten, although the biographer of Astor has resurrected a number of them who were associated with the great fur merchant in the early years of his career. These include Robert Browne, the Quaker merchant, Hayman Levy, a Mr. Wilson, and Cornelius Heyer and Cornelius Heeney, who may have been the same person." p. 152 - "Philadelphia was second in importance to New York, in both trading and manufacture of pelts. It was the center of a long established tanning industry, and used many deerskins." p. - 161 - "Self-sufficiency had been forced on the country by a long period of commercial restriction [due to the War of 1812]. As a result, manufactures had developed, and among the important were manufactures from furs and skins. Leather-tanning had expanded to a value of more than $12,000,000 a year and used all the deerskins available." Jim Hardee, AMM#1676 P.O. Box 1228 Quincy, CA 95971 (530)283-4566 (H) (530)283-3330 (W) (530)283-5171 FAX Casapy123@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:30:58 EST From: TrapRJoe@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Some questions You can buy seed for broom straw. That's how it's sold. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:41:46 -0500 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Releif, gratitude, thanks OOOOOOoohhhhhh.... sorry.. D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accouterments http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 - -----Original Message----- From: Barry Conner To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 7:44 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Releif, gratitude, thanks >That's "Etiquette" Dennis, not "you ett somethim." > >Buck >___________________ >-----Original Message----- >From: Dennis Miles >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 2:45 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Releif, gratitude, thanks > > >>So THAT'S why I haven't been tossed off the list yet.. Well I'll be didilly >>damned!! >> >>Dennis >> >> "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" >> DOUBLE EDGE FORGE >> Period Knives & Iron Accouterments >> http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Linda Holley >>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >>Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 4:35 PM >>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Releif, gratitude, thanks >> >> >>>Etiquette??? what etiquette? I didn't know we had any. Thought this >sight >>was >>>guided by freedoms of speech, who had knowledge, big brass ones, choices >>to >>>stick your foot in your mouth and who could run the fastest after throwing >>the >>>first punch. >>> >>>Linda Holley >>> >>>"Marion D. Watts" wrote: >>> >>>> My apologies to all for showing individual gratitude on the list. I'm a >>>> new comer, thus not aware of proper etiquette. Your understanding is >>>> appreciated. >>>> Your most humble and obedient servant, >>>> mdwatts@naxs.com >>>> HolstonRiverRat@yahoo.com >>>> M. D. Watts >>>> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:45:11 -0700 From: "Barry Conner" Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Pennsylvania Gazette's Bob, Could you give us the URL for the Pennsylvania Gazette, for one I would be interested in looking at this information as I have (3) original Pennsylvania Gazette's that fall in the time frame you have stated. Would be fun to compare what someone has put on the internet compared to the originals. Thanks Buck ___________________ - -----Original Message----- From: Bob Spencer To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 5:02 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: period tanning / Alans comments >John, I have run across many references concerning leather, whether offered >for sale, taxed, whatever, in my browsing through the on-line archive of >the Pennyslvania Gazette from 1728 to 1800. I've included some exerpts .... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:56:24 -0600 From: "Austin, Tim" Subject: MtMan-List: Broom Straw Have never seen any, but all the people around where I live, scenic, sunny, Southwestern Oklahoma, talk about growing it for commercial purposes. Many that are my age said it was their job when they were in high school to go out and cut it. From what they say, it is grown specifically for broom straw, it is not a by product of something else. I will check and post it tomorrow. Tim Austin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:03:48 -0700 From: "Barry Conner" Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Bodmer material Ladies & Gentlemen, For your information there is a good article on "Karl Bodmer's Journey" in the Feb. 1999 issue of "Early American Homes" on page 52 to page 59. Shows some pictures that we normally do not see from the east, like "Mauch Chunk" Pennsylvania 1832, the Industrial Revolution in America, "Niagara Falls" 1833 or "Fox River" shown at the confluence with the Wabash in1833. An interesting landscape of Bethlehem Pennsylvania, when Bodmer made his visit, there were 1,000 people located in the area. The article tells about his eastern experience, but best of all lets us know that the Joslyn Museum in Omaha has his books and prints available and can be ordered over the phone with a credit card. (402) 342-3300 phone / open from 10 am to 4 pm Mon. - Fri. "Karl Bodmer's America" (2nd printing) list for $110 on sale for $100 "Karl Bodmer's Eastern Views" is $29.95 They charge $10.00 postage for 2nd day del. and that's how long it took for mine to arrive. When ordering ask for "Karl Bodmer Mail Order Opportunties", this is a listing of available prints for sale starting at $5 and going to $30, plus a color flyer with small pictures of the prints. Tell the wife it would make a good Christmas present and she still has time to get it. Later Buck ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:08:22 -0400 From: bspen@aye.net (Bob Spencer) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Pennsylvania Gazette's >Could you give us the URL for the Pennsylvania Gazette, Sure, Buck, glad to. This database has become my very favorite site on the internet. The URL is: http://204.170.102.11/cgi-bin/accessible/verify.pl In case anyone else is interested, here is the description of the database from the blurb at the site: THE PENNSYLVANIA GAZETTE, 1728-1800 (100,000 records; more than 40 MILLION words) Published in Philadelphia from 1728 through 1800, The Pennsylvania Gazette is considered The New York Times of the 18th century. It provides the reader with a first hand view of colonial America, the American Revolution and the New Republic, and offers important social, political and cultural perspectives of each of the periods. Thousands of articles, editorials, letters, news items and advertisements cover the Western Hemisphere, from the Canadian Maritime Provinces, through the West Indies and North and South America, giving a detailed glimpse of issues and lifestyles of the times. Also included is the full-text of such important writings such as: the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, Letters from a Farmer, Thomas Payne's Common Sense, The Federalist Papers, etc. These include: Folio I - (1728 - 1750) "Benjamin Franklin's Newspaper" Folio II - (1751 - 1765) "The French & Indian War" Folio III - (1766 - 1783) "The American Revolution" Folio IV - (1784 - 1800) "The New Republic" ********************* Bob Bob Spencer http://members.aye.net/~bspen/index.html non illegitimi carborundum est ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:09:55 -0700 From: "Barry Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Pennsylvania Gazette's Bob, I see what you mean, this is a good site, thank you. Buck ___________________ - -----Original Message----- From: Bob Spencer To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 8:07 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Pennsylvania Gazette's >>Could you give us the URL for the Pennsylvania Gazette, > >Sure, Buck, glad to. This database has become my very favorite site on the >internet. The URL is: > >http://204.170.102.11/cgi-bin/accessible/verify.pl > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:27:18 -0600 From: Jim Colburn Subject: Re: MtMan-List: period tanning / Alans comments Washtahay- At 02:45 PM 12/17/98 -0700, you wrote: >As far as arsenic and acid (besides tannic) tans go, these are modern >methods as far as I know. Do you know of any references to these being done >during or before the period we are talking about? I've made no particular study of it, but I recall mention of some tanners using various acids in England. Unfortunately, I can't recall a time period, so I don't even know which century's references I should start checking. Also, FWIW, many county histories published back east make references to what seems to be a LOT of tanneries. Census records will also show many, as will searches of deeds and wills. LongWalker c. du B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:39:03 -0800 From: j2hearts@juno.com (John C Funk) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: period tanning / Alans comments At the risk of getting a little "kinky", I've read on a couple of occasion that the trade of the "Tinker" involved he collection of urine (especially female due to it's supposed higher urea content) for the production of gunpowder in early colonial times. Perhaps "tanning" was also involved....???? OK..rake me over the coals!!!! And lets not get pissy over this. John Funk (or maybe I should stay anonymous on this one) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:49:19 EST From: Casapy123@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: California trapping brigades This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_913956612_boundary Content-ID: <0_913956612@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Several of you have asked for further info regarding the trapping brigades entering California. I have attached a file, written in WordPerfect, that provides a very brief outline of each brigade. While it was compiled for another purpose, it does not have good documentation. Thus, I have added a list of books that have good info on these same men and brigades to help you continue your own research. Let me know if I can help you in any way. Jim Hardee, AMM#1676 P.O. 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------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:29:39 -0700 From: "Matt Richards" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: thanks ralph Ralph, Definitely helps, can easily see how hide glue-ing the layers would help make it work, thanks for the detail Matt Richards www.braintan.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:45:09 -0500 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Pennsylvania Gazette's I also thank you. This is a great sight for some of the American History in my classroom. Linda Holley Barry Conner wrote: > Bob, > I see what you mean, this is a good site, thank you. > > Buck > ___________________ > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Spencer > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 8:07 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Pennsylvania Gazette's > > >>Could you give us the URL for the Pennsylvania Gazette, > > > >Sure, Buck, glad to. This database has become my very favorite site on the > >internet. The URL is: > > > >http://204.170.102.11/cgi-bin/accessible/verify.pl > > ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #198 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.