From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #244 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, February 21 1999 Volume 01 : Number 244 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 20:21:59 -0500 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wes Housler His books and tapes are sold through Crazy Crow Trading post. Also advertised in the NMLRA mag. and The one out of Texas. Linda Holley sean wrote: > Check with Amazon.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Hepner > To: Mtn Man Discussion Group > Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 11:06 PM > Subject: MtMan-List: Wes Housler > > > Does anyone know where I may aquire "Dress and Equipage of the Mountain > >Men" by Wes Housler? > > > >"Dull Hawk" > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:00:23 -0600 From: "Jody Carlson" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wes Housler Dull Hawk & other readers; Wes Housler's book can be obtained from Rocky Mt College Productions 22 Bell Canyon Rd. Cloudcroft, NM 88317 or call at 505-687-3267 price for book is $19.95 + 4.50 S&H book and video for $32.95 + 4.50 S&H I hope that helps. Yr Mst Obt Servt, Scott Carlson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 04:06:37 EST From: NaugaMok@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Barrel Liner? In a message dated 99-02-18 00:49:41 EST, you write: << The most common practice was to "fresh out" the barrel. This usually involved polishing the bore and recutting the riflings. This would restore a worn out barrel. In really bad cases the barrel was redrilled to a larger caliber and new riflings cut. I would do the same today with my rifle when it reaches that point. >> Very true, however, to the best of my knowledge, there's only one guy still doing that kind of work. He's expensive, & has about a 2 yr back log. Like relining, I'd only do it to a barrel on an origional in it's restoration -- IF it's a good solid barrel & will stand a fresh out. I read somewhere that Bill Wiliams' rifle had been freshed out so many times the muzzle looked like a cave! If you need to re-do a reproduction rifle, it'd be much cheaper just to replace the barrel. HOWEVER ------ IF you want to tackle the job yourself, instructions are in "Foxfire 5". Think I'd expirament on a junk barrel before I tried it on a barrel I cared about. NM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 09:35:09 -0700 From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Gum The gum on the 1803 York boat list is almost certainly the pine pitch/charcoal mixture used for gumming canoes and, presumably, York boats. I very much doubt that it was wrapped in paper--I suspect that the term "parchment", meaning rawhide, has been mistranslated. Gum is frequently mentioned in English fur trade journals of this period. Gathering & making gum was frequently the job of fur traders' country wives. It is quite unusual that this York boat bill of lading was originally in French; York boats were used by the HBC, whose clerks were almost entirely English-speaking. York boats were significantly different from canoes in almost every way--materials, construction, navigation, portaging, and capacity being the most significant differences. In haste, Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 08:55:28 -0700 From: "Charlie P. Webb" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Winter Convention Linda, The Colorado State Muzzle Loading Associations Winter Convention was born many years ago as a method of treating "Cabin Fever". Many of us Buckskinners, Mountaineers, renactors and such needed a way to break the daily monotony and doldrums of winter camp. I don't know who first came up with the idea of holding a Winter Convention on a State level, could have been the original founders of the CSMLA (The Out House Gang ) anyway it was and is a great fun time. My wife and I have attended every one since the beginning, it's a great way to get together with old friends and meet new ones. Our main goal is to interest new folks in the use of primitive firearms with safety stressed from the gitgo, to Living History, Buckskinning, Long Hunters or what ever your cup of tea might be. It is also a part of our goal to "kick the hivernants" in the pants and rekindle their enthusiasm for our sport. We invite qualified instructors do classes (much like our Rocky Mountain College Rendezvous August 8-15) on subjects of their choice pertaining to their period of interest. We simply say pre-1840, actually we have folks involved from the early 1750's thru the F&I to the Revolution and on up through the America's involvement in Fur hunting and trading. We also have a growing number of folks interested in as I choose to call it, The War of The Northern Invasion, even though this event began in 1860 they are also welcome. We turn no one away from our door, we try to include and offer things of interest to all of the Muzzle Loading Community, not just one facet of the sport. Since we are attempting to interest new people in what we do, we are not "clothes police" we speak of authenticity, but are not going to criticize or chastise any one who is trying, but hasn't quite done enough research to create the perfect outfit or persona. Shucks, I began playing this living history thing back in 1947 and am still trying to get it right. Some of us are just a bit slower than others. <> We have a good traders room and attempt to showcase only period wares, however as in all things, something sometimes falls through a crack. We also have a Banquet and awards ceremony Saturday evening, then for me the most fun, an auction of goods donated by traders or any one that has something neat pertaining to muzzle loading. Items are from canvas goods, leather bags and such, Damascus knives, carved antler handled knives, trade silver, fire irons, (we have several excellent blacksmiths in CSMLA) you name it, it will probably be on the auction block. In 1999 we have four class rooms with hourly selections for the learning experience. Everything from basic flint lock to a class I do on the etiquette of photography and camera use at rendezvous and living history events. This year at 10:00 AM all class rooms will be closed so all that can will attend the Wildlife meeting. It is critical that we have as much input from the members as possible so that a plan can be developed to hopefully preserve our Muzzle Loading Season. One need not be a member to attend, but naturally the more members we can acquire the stronger our bargaining platform with the DOW will be. Linda our Winter Convention is a fun thing, perhaps not as authentic as some would like, but we are trying cover a large block of time as best we can. The Rocky Mountain College and the Winter Convention was designed to be learning experiences for pilgrims, however it has grown into much more that. We also hold the associations business meeting and the election of new officers and board members at the Winter Con. It is my personal opinion based on reading your past posts that you might enjoy the Rocky Mountain College a bit more than the Winter Con. The College runs for 8 days, and the Winter Con. for 2 days. The RM College is not totally primitive, we try to acomodate as many folks as we can. We offer a Tin Tipi camp, Handicap camp, and long term primitive and short term primitive camps. Since the event is held in Bayou Salado a favorite hang out for Bridger, Carson, Beckwith and Jim Baker the flavor is definitely western Mountaineer or Mountain Man. Didn't intend for this to turn into a book, but if you need or want more information you may feel free to contact my wife or myself. Thank you for your interest. Respectfully, C Webb AKA Old Coyote CC CO >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Phyllis and Don Keas >> To: History Text >> Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 10:08 PM >> Subject: MtMan-List: Winter Convention >> >> >How many of us on this list will be at the CSMLRA Winter Convention >in >> >Denver in March? >> > >> >DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants >> > >> > >> > >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:50:38 -0700 From: "Barry Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Winter Convention Charlie, You did yourself proud, we just need to get the numbers for another DOW fight. Buck ____________________- - -----Original Message----- From: Charlie P. Webb To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 12:30 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Winter Convention >Linda, >The Colorado State Muzzle Loading Associations Winter >Convention was born many years ago as a method of >treating "Cabin Fever". Many of us Buckskinners, >Mountaineers, renactors and such needed a way to break >the daily monotony and doldrums of winter camp. I don't >know who first came up with the idea of holding a Winter >Convention on a State level, could have been the original >founders of the CSMLA (The Out House Gang ) anyway >it was and is a great fun time. My wife and I have attended >every one since the beginning, it's a great way to get together >with old friends and meet new ones. Our main goal is to >interest new folks in the use of primitive firearms with safety >stressed from the gitgo, to Living History, Buckskinning, >Long Hunters or what ever your cup of tea might be. It is also >a part of our goal to "kick the hivernants" in the pants and >rekindle their enthusiasm for our sport. We invite qualified >instructors do classes (much like our Rocky Mountain College Rendezvous >August 8-15) on subjects of their choice pertaining >to their period of interest. We simply say pre-1840, actually >we have folks involved from the early 1750's thru the F&I to the >Revolution and on up through the America's involvement in Fur >hunting and trading. We also have a growing number of folks >interested in as I choose to call it, The War of The Northern >Invasion, even though this event began in 1860 they are also >welcome. We turn no one away from our door, we try to include >and offer things of interest to all of the Muzzle Loading >Community, not just one facet of the sport. Since we are >attempting to interest new people in what we do, we are not >"clothes police" we speak of authenticity, but are not going >to criticize or chastise any one who is trying, but hasn't quite >done enough research to create the perfect outfit or persona. >Shucks, I began playing this living history thing back in 1947 >and am still trying to get it right. Some of us are just a bit >slower than others. <> We have a good traders room >and attempt to showcase only period wares, however as in >all things, something sometimes falls through a crack. We also >have a Banquet and awards ceremony Saturday evening, then >for me the most fun, an auction of goods donated by traders >or any one that has something neat pertaining to muzzle >loading. Items are from canvas goods, leather bags and such, >Damascus knives, carved antler handled knives, trade silver, >fire irons, (we have several excellent blacksmiths in CSMLA) >you name it, it will probably be on the auction block. In 1999 >we have four class rooms with hourly selections for the learning >experience. Everything from basic flint lock to a class I do >on the etiquette of photography and camera use at rendezvous >and living history events. This year at 10:00 AM all class rooms >will be closed so all that can will attend the Wildlife meeting. It >is critical that we have as much input from the members as >possible so that a plan can be developed to hopefully preserve >our Muzzle Loading Season. One need not be a member to >attend, but naturally the more members we can acquire the >stronger our bargaining platform with the DOW will be. Linda >our Winter Convention is a fun thing, perhaps not as authentic >as some would like, but we are trying cover a large block of >time as best we can. The Rocky Mountain College and the >Winter Convention was designed to be learning experiences >for pilgrims, however it has grown into much more that. >We also hold the associations business meeting and the >election of new officers and board members at the Winter >Con. It is my personal opinion based on reading your past >posts that you might enjoy the Rocky Mountain College >a bit more than the Winter Con. The College runs for 8 days, >and the Winter Con. for 2 days. The RM College is not >totally primitive, we try to acomodate as many folks as we >can. We offer a Tin Tipi camp, Handicap camp, and long term >primitive and short term primitive camps. Since the event is >held in Bayou Salado a favorite hang out for Bridger, Carson, >Beckwith and Jim Baker the flavor is definitely western >Mountaineer or Mountain Man. Didn't intend for this to turn >into a book, but if you need or want more information you >may feel free to contact my wife or myself. Thank you for >your interest. > >Respectfully, >C Webb >AKA Old Coyote >CC CO > >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Phyllis and Don Keas >>> To: History Text >>> Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 10:08 PM >>> Subject: MtMan-List: Winter Convention >>> >>> >How many of us on this list will be at the CSMLRA Winter Convention >>in >>> >Denver in March? >>> > >>> >DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> >> > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:52:37 -0700 From: "Barry Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Gum You beat me to the reply Angela, what is shown is what I have found. Buck _________________ - -----Original Message----- From: Angela Gottfred To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 12:29 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Gum >The gum on the 1803 York boat list is almost certainly the pine >pitch/charcoal mixture used for gumming canoes and, presumably, York boats. >I very much doubt that it was wrapped in paper--I suspect that the term >"parchment", meaning rawhide, has been mistranslated. Gum is frequently >mentioned in English fur trade journals of this period. Gathering & making >gum was frequently the job of fur traders' country wives. > > It is quite unusual that this York boat bill of lading was originally in >French; York boats were used by the HBC, whose clerks were almost entirely >English-speaking. York boats were significantly different from canoes in >almost every way--materials, construction, navigation, portaging, and >capacity being the most significant differences. > >In haste, >Your humble & obedient servant, >Angela Gottfred >agottfre@telusplanet.net > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:20:28 -0500 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Winter Convention Thanks for the INFORMATION. It definitely explained everything. I cannot go in the summer anymore because they have changed my job starting to the 1st. of August. But I am interested in the March doings. Linda "Charlie P. Webb" wrote: > Linda, > The Colorado State Muzzle Loading Associations Winter > Convention was born many years ago as a method of > treating "Cabin Fever". Many of us Buckskinners, > Mountaineers, renactors and such needed a way to break > the daily monotony and doldrums of winter camp. I don't > know who first came up with the idea of holding a Winter > Convention on a State level, could have been the original > founders of the CSMLA (The Out House Gang ) anyway > it was and is a great fun time. My wife and I have attended > every one since the beginning, it's a great way to get together > with old friends and meet new ones. Our main goal is to > interest new folks in the use of primitive firearms with safety > stressed from the gitgo, to Living History, Buckskinning, > Long Hunters or what ever your cup of tea might be. It is also > a part of our goal to "kick the hivernants" in the pants and > rekindle their enthusiasm for our sport. We invite qualified > instructors do classes (much like our Rocky Mountain College Rendezvous > August 8-15) on subjects of their choice pertaining > to their period of interest. We simply say pre-1840, actually > we have folks involved from the early 1750's thru the F&I to the > Revolution and on up through the America's involvement in Fur > hunting and trading. We also have a growing number of folks > interested in as I choose to call it, The War of The Northern > Invasion, even though this event began in 1860 they are also > welcome. We turn no one away from our door, we try to include > and offer things of interest to all of the Muzzle Loading > Community, not just one facet of the sport. Since we are > attempting to interest new people in what we do, we are not > "clothes police" we speak of authenticity, but are not going > to criticize or chastise any one who is trying, but hasn't quite > done enough research to create the perfect outfit or persona. > Shucks, I began playing this living history thing back in 1947 > and am still trying to get it right. Some of us are just a bit > slower than others. <> We have a good traders room > and attempt to showcase only period wares, however as in > all things, something sometimes falls through a crack. We also > have a Banquet and awards ceremony Saturday evening, then > for me the most fun, an auction of goods donated by traders > or any one that has something neat pertaining to muzzle > loading. Items are from canvas goods, leather bags and such, > Damascus knives, carved antler handled knives, trade silver, > fire irons, (we have several excellent blacksmiths in CSMLA) > you name it, it will probably be on the auction block. In 1999 > we have four class rooms with hourly selections for the learning > experience. Everything from basic flint lock to a class I do > on the etiquette of photography and camera use at rendezvous > and living history events. This year at 10:00 AM all class rooms > will be closed so all that can will attend the Wildlife meeting. It > is critical that we have as much input from the members as > possible so that a plan can be developed to hopefully preserve > our Muzzle Loading Season. One need not be a member to > attend, but naturally the more members we can acquire the > stronger our bargaining platform with the DOW will be. Linda > our Winter Convention is a fun thing, perhaps not as authentic > as some would like, but we are trying cover a large block of > time as best we can. The Rocky Mountain College and the > Winter Convention was designed to be learning experiences > for pilgrims, however it has grown into much more that. > We also hold the associations business meeting and the > election of new officers and board members at the Winter > Con. It is my personal opinion based on reading your past > posts that you might enjoy the Rocky Mountain College > a bit more than the Winter Con. The College runs for 8 days, > and the Winter Con. for 2 days. The RM College is not > totally primitive, we try to acomodate as many folks as we > can. We offer a Tin Tipi camp, Handicap camp, and long term > primitive and short term primitive camps. Since the event is > held in Bayou Salado a favorite hang out for Bridger, Carson, > Beckwith and Jim Baker the flavor is definitely western > Mountaineer or Mountain Man. Didn't intend for this to turn > into a book, but if you need or want more information you > may feel free to contact my wife or myself. Thank you for > your interest. > > Respectfully, > C Webb > AKA Old Coyote > CC CO > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Phyllis and Don Keas > >> To: History Text > >> Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 10:08 PM > >> Subject: MtMan-List: Winter Convention > >> > >> >How many of us on this list will be at the CSMLRA Winter Convention > >in > >> >Denver in March? > >> > > >> >DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:36:56 -0800 From: "Sidney Porter" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Winter Convention Charlie, Don't know that I'll be able to go, but when in March is the convention and where is it held? You have made me want to go. It sounds interesting, informative, and fun. Sidney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:21:17 EST From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Web Searches General Note to the List: When searching for items to buy on the web, try = the NEWEST way to search; using BOTS. Find the "BOT" you want (books, for instance) and let it search. It will return a list of all the sites it fi= nds selling the book you are looking for, ALONG WITH THE PRICES CHARGED BY THA= T SELLER. This is an incredibly powerful tool for saving both time and money= . BotSpot =AE : Search : Th= e Spot for all Bots & Intelligent Agents yhs, Barney Fife ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:09:01 -0600 From: "Ron and Gayle Harris" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty is that per pound?!!! - -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Miles To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 10:05 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty >Ron, > I figger he's worth $5. American....Mebby... >D > > "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" > DOUBLE EDGE FORGE > Period Knives & Iron Accouterments > http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 >-----Original Message----- >From: Ron and Gayle Harris >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:20 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty > > >>: Re: MtMan-List: bounty >> >>>Lanney, >>> You are GOOD at one of a kind items from craftsmen, you are lucky there >>>isn't a warning flyer out about you.. If you weren't so damned cuddly, >>there >>>would be a bounty on your ass... >>>Love, >>>D >>>> >>>GEEEZ, How vmuch bounty??? >>(per each or.............?) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:52:07 -0500 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty Lord, Son.... Do you KNOW how much I would have to charge for knives if that were the case?? D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accouterments http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 - -----Original Message----- From: Ron and Gayle Harris To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 6:27 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty >is that per pound?!!! >-----Original Message----- >From: Dennis Miles >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 10:05 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty > > >>Ron, >> I figger he's worth $5. American....Mebby... >>D >> >> "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" >> DOUBLE EDGE FORGE >> Period Knives & Iron Accouterments >> http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:06:27 -0800 From: terry l landis Subject: MtMan-List: new gun ho the list. i have a new gun with a colerian swamped barrel in .58 cal. here's the problem, in trying to work up a load i found that the patches I'm using a being torn up pretty bad sometimes. I'm loading a 570 rb with a .20 patch and 70 gr.bp. some of the balls i have are snugger than others and some of the patches have been perforated at the edges ( you can see where the lands in the barrel were). could some of you trow out some options to correct this problem. i plan to start to pour my own balls as soon as i can find a proper mould. ant suggestions would be a great help. thanks. YMHS, Terry L Landis ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:17:38 -0600 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty Ya'll ought to quit picking on little Lanney Rue. Pendleton - ---------- > From: Dennis Miles > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty > Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 6:52 PM > > Lord, Son.... Do you KNOW how much I would have to charge for knives if that > were the case?? > > D > > "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" > DOUBLE EDGE FORGE > Period Knives & Iron Accouterments > http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron and Gayle Harris > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty > > > >is that per pound?!!! > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Dennis Miles > >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > >Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 10:05 PM > >Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty > > > > > >>Ron, > >> I figger he's worth $5. American....Mebby... > >>D > >> > >> "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" > >> DOUBLE EDGE FORGE > >> Period Knives & Iron Accouterments > >> http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:36:15 -0800 From: "Sidney Porter" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty Larry, Quit picking on him...Why? Can you think of anyone who deserves it more? Sidney >Ya'll ought to quit picking on little Lanney Rue. >Pendleton > >> >> Lord, Son.... Do you KNOW how much I would have to charge for knives if >that >> were the case?? >> >> D >> >> >> >is that per pound?!!! >> > >> > >> >>Ron, >> >> I figger he's worth $5. American....Mebby... >> >>D >> >> > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:38:17 -0600 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new gun Terry, Your probably on the right track in planning to pour your own balls. I started pouring my own sometime ago when I discovered the rd. balls that I had been buying were not consistently round nor of the size they were supposed to be.[ i.e. some were .528 to .525 when they were supposed to be .530] I shoot a Colerain C weight 54 Cal. barrel, and for sure, when working up a load for any barrel with really deep rifling if your rd. balls are slightly undersized you'll have the exact problem you are describing. Keep in touch. I'll be glad to help if I can. Pendleton - ---------- > From: terry l landis > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: MtMan-List: new gun > Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 7:06 PM > > ho the list. > i have a new gun with a colerian swamped barrel in .58 cal. > here's the problem, in trying to work up a load i found that the patches > I'm using a being torn up pretty bad sometimes. I'm loading a 570 rb with > a .20 patch and 70 gr.bp. > some of the balls i have are snugger than others and some of the patches > have been perforated at the edges ( you can see where the lands in the > barrel were). > could some of you trow out some options to correct this problem. i plan > to start to pour my own balls as soon as i can find a proper mould. > ant suggestions would be a great help. > thanks. > YMHS, Terry L Landis > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:53:18 -0500 From: "Fred A. Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new gun terry l landis wrote: > > ho the list. > i have a new gun with a colerian swamped barrel in .58 cal. > here's the problem, in trying to work up a load i found that the patches > I'm using a being torn up pretty bad sometimes. I'm loading a 570 rb with > a .20 patch and 70 gr.bp. > some of the balls i have are snugger than others and some of the patches > have been perforated at the edges ( you can see where the lands in the > barrel were). > could some of you trow out some options to correct this problem. i plan > to start to pour my own balls as soon as i can find a proper mould. > ant suggestions would be a great help. > thanks. Terry, the barrel needs to be shot in. It make take 200+ ball to do that. To assist in this, however, you can wrap a jag with 0000 steel wool, and work the barrel EVENLY from one end to the other. This will help remove the sharp edges. Give it about 200 strokes with the steel wool. Then, flush with water and dry. Follow this up with polishing with Never Dull (available from any good hardware store), which will polish and clean the bore. N.D. SHOULD be included in your cleaning regime anyway. I'd finish clean up with Ballistol, leaving a wet coat in the bore. Also, make sure you use pillow ticking patches and a GOOD lube. Fred - -- "Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some! http://www.best.com/~capn/thunder/willy.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:02:17 -0500 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty Pendleton... Either join in, or we will shift our attention to you.... Soooo...???? D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accouterments http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 - -----Original Message----- From: larry pendleton To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 8:37 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty >Ya'll ought to quit picking on little Lanney Rue. >Pendleton > >---------- >> From: Dennis Miles >> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty >> Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 6:52 PM >> >> Lord, Son.... Do you KNOW how much I would have to charge for knives if >that >> were the case?? >> >> D >> >> "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" >> DOUBLE EDGE FORGE >> Period Knives & Iron Accouterments >> http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ron and Gayle Harris >> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 6:27 PM >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty >> >> >> >is that per pound?!!! >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Dennis Miles >> >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> >Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 10:05 PM >> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty >> > >> > >> >>Ron, >> >> I figger he's worth $5. American....Mebby... >> >>D >> >> >> >> "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" >> >> DOUBLE EDGE FORGE >> >> Period Knives & Iron Accouterments >> >> http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 >> >> > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:06:42 -0800 (PST) From: linda lawyer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Winter Convention I too have to return to work on the 4th. of August. Many school districts begin around the first of August. Could you consider moving the date of the Rocky Mountain College up a little....maybe mid June or late July. Just a thought, Linda Lawyer - ---Linda Holley wrote: > > Thanks for the INFORMATION. It definitely explained everything. I cannot > go in the summer anymore because they have changed my job starting to the > 1st. of August. But I am interested in the March doings. > > > Linda > > "Charlie P. Webb" wrote: > > > Linda, > > The Colorado State Muzzle Loading Associations Winter > > Convention was born many years ago as a method of > > treating "Cabin Fever". Many of us Buckskinners, > > Mountaineers, renactors and such needed a way to break > > the daily monotony and doldrums of winter camp. I don't > > know who first came up with the idea of holding a Winter > > Convention on a State level, could have been the original > > founders of the CSMLA (The Out House Gang ) anyway > > it was and is a great fun time. My wife and I have attended > > every one since the beginning, it's a great way to get together > > with old friends and meet new ones. Our main goal is to > > interest new folks in the use of primitive firearms with safety > > stressed from the gitgo, to Living History, Buckskinning, > > Long Hunters or what ever your cup of tea might be. It is also > > a part of our goal to "kick the hivernants" in the pants and > > rekindle their enthusiasm for our sport. We invite qualified > > instructors do classes (much like our Rocky Mountain College Rendezvous > > August 8-15) on subjects of their choice pertaining > > to their period of interest. We simply say pre-1840, actually > > we have folks involved from the early 1750's thru the F&I to the > > Revolution and on up through the America's involvement in Fur > > hunting and trading. We also have a growing number of folks > > interested in as I choose to call it, The War of The Northern > > Invasion, even though this event began in 1860 they are also > > welcome. We turn no one away from our door, we try to include > > and offer things of interest to all of the Muzzle Loading > > Community, not just one facet of the sport. Since we are > > attempting to interest new people in what we do, we are not > > "clothes police" we speak of authenticity, but are not going > > to criticize or chastise any one who is trying, but hasn't quite > > done enough research to create the perfect outfit or persona. > > Shucks, I began playing this living history thing back in 1947 > > and am still trying to get it right. Some of us are just a bit > > slower than others. <> We have a good traders room > > and attempt to showcase only period wares, however as in > > all things, something sometimes falls through a crack. We also > > have a Banquet and awards ceremony Saturday evening, then > > for me the most fun, an auction of goods donated by traders > > or any one that has something neat pertaining to muzzle > > loading. Items are from canvas goods, leather bags and such, > > Damascus knives, carved antler handled knives, trade silver, > > fire irons, (we have several excellent blacksmiths in CSMLA) > > you name it, it will probably be on the auction block. In 1999 > > we have four class rooms with hourly selections for the learning > > experience. Everything from basic flint lock to a class I do > > on the etiquette of photography and camera use at rendezvous > > and living history events. This year at 10:00 AM all class rooms > > will be closed so all that can will attend the Wildlife meeting. It > > is critical that we have as much input from the members as > > possible so that a plan can be developed to hopefully preserve > > our Muzzle Loading Season. One need not be a member to > > attend, but naturally the more members we can acquire the > > stronger our bargaining platform with the DOW will be. Linda > > our Winter Convention is a fun thing, perhaps not as authentic > > as some would like, but we are trying cover a large block of > > time as best we can. The Rocky Mountain College and the > > Winter Convention was designed to be learning experiences > > for pilgrims, however it has grown into much more that. > > We also hold the associations business meeting and the > > election of new officers and board members at the Winter > > Con. It is my personal opinion based on reading your past > > posts that you might enjoy the Rocky Mountain College > > a bit more than the Winter Con. The College runs for 8 days, > > and the Winter Con. for 2 days. The RM College is not > > totally primitive, we try to acomodate as many folks as we > > can. We offer a Tin Tipi camp, Handicap camp, and long term > > primitive and short term primitive camps. Since the event is > > held in Bayou Salado a favorite hang out for Bridger, Carson, > > Beckwith and Jim Baker the flavor is definitely western > > Mountaineer or Mountain Man. Didn't intend for this to turn > > into a book, but if you need or want more information you > > may feel free to contact my wife or myself. Thank you for > > your interest. > > > > Respectfully, > > C Webb > > AKA Old Coyote > > CC CO > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Phyllis and Don Keas > > >> To: History Text > > >> Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 10:08 PM > > >> Subject: MtMan-List: Winter Convention > > >> > > >> >How many of us on this list will be at the CSMLRA Winter Convention > > >in > > >> >Denver in March? > > >> > > > >> >DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > == Keith and Linda Lawyer lmlawyer@denisonisd.net _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? 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