From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #251 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, March 8 1999 Volume 01 : Number 251 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 23:46:14 +1300 From: Duncan Macready Subject: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 >I have been asked to pass on the following message from Gary Howat the President of the New Zealand Black Powder Shooters Federation , > >>In New Zealand we will be the first country to see the sun rise on the >>new milleniumn and to help celebrate it we are holding our eighteenth >>Mountain Man Shoot and rendezvous on the East Coast of the North Island >>at a little place called Wakarara, south east of Napier, the nearest city. >>The NZ Black Powder Shooters Federation is planning to shoot into the >>new milleniumn and we welcome any interested parties from anywere in the >>world who wish to come.It will be a party and celebration not to be >>missed especially as it will be our eighteenth succesful rendezvous. >>If anyone wants more details please email Gary Howat at ghowat@xtra.co.nz > >We will try to have full TV coverage of a volley fire of muzzle loading firearms being fired at a splitsecond past Midnight so that the first shots fired in the new Millennium are ML and not Suppository.[We have a club member who is a producer for 60 Minuets] >YMOS >Cutfinger > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 12:13:09 -0600 From: Bishnow Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas WSmith4100@aol.com wrote: > > I once read in some book or the other, "that everything in Texas, either > stings, sticks or stinks." Hmmmm? > > Lil griz Everything in Texas either bites, sticksor stings. And if you kill one rattlesnake that means you only have about 999,999 left. From the Heart of Texas Snakeshot ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:38:02 EST From: Rkleinx2@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 In a message dated 3/6/99 2:46:59 AM, Duncanm@connected.net.nz writes: <<>new milleniumn >> Which begins on Jan.1,2001 Dick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:51:53 EST From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 Duncan, Don't wanna split hairs or cause a furor, but which millenium are you celebrating? The one CREATED by the advertising/sales media or the real one? Please don't join in the ridiculous hype created and perpetrated by people trying to scam money for cruises, outrageously expensive vacations, bogus souveniers, etc. Even my 8 year old nephew knows that two thousand years from the year 1 is the year 2001. YHS, Barney P. Fife ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:14:44 -0800 From: "Sidney Porter" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 Duncan (and Gary) What a cool idea. Our local blackpowder group is doing the same thing. Wish I could come. Sidney - -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Macready To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 2:46 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 > >>I have been asked to pass on the following message from Gary Howat the >President of the New Zealand Black Powder Shooters Federation , >> >>>In New Zealand we will be the first country to see the sun rise on the >>>new milleniumn and to help celebrate it we are holding our eighteenth >>>Mountain Man Shoot and rendezvous on the East Coast of the North Island >>>at a little place called Wakarara, south east of Napier, the nearest city. >>>The NZ Black Powder Shooters Federation is planning to shoot into the >>>new milleniumn and we welcome any interested parties from anywere in the >>>world who wish to come.It will be a party and celebration not to be >>>missed especially as it will be our eighteenth succesful rendezvous. >>>If anyone wants more details please email Gary Howat at ghowat@xtra.co.nz >> >>We will try to have full TV coverage of a volley fire of muzzle loading >firearms being fired at a splitsecond past Midnight so that the first shots >fired in the new Millennium are ML and not Suppository.[We have a club >member who is a producer for 60 Minuets] >>YMOS >>Cutfinger >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 10:15:08 +1300 From: Duncan Macready Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 At 02:51 PM 3/6/99 -0500, you wrote: >Duncan, Don't wanna split hairs or cause a furor, but which millenium are you >celebrating? The one CREATED by the advertising/sales media or the real one? >Please don't join in the ridiculous hype created and perpetrated by people >trying to scam money for cruises, outrageously expensive vacations, bogus >souveniers, etc. Even my 8 year old nephew knows that two thousand years from >the year 1 is the year 2001. YHS, Barney P. Fife > Dosn't matter , we can do it 2 years in a row ,we allways have a Rondy at that time of year ,[our summer], What ever the semantics of the date are ,we will be the first people in the World to fire a shot, [and it will be black powder ], or any other human activity you can think of, if you arn't here you miss out , it's all hair splitting any way you look at it, and is just a good excuse for a rip roaring party, which it will be,and as what you say is technically correct thats two parties, twice as much to look forward to,double the pleasure double the fun and you get to fire two shots. YMOS Dunc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:47:10 EST From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 wow Duncan. now it sounds too good to miss. shoot out the end of this century, shoot in the new, shoot out the old millenium, shoot in the new, have new years first in the world and jet-boat through the fire-fly caves. WAUGH! on the phone booking those outrageously expensive reservations NOW!!! thanks for the enlightenment. YHS, Barney P. Fife ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:00:49 -0800 From: "John W. Stephens" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 Would it not have been more period-appropriate to send your message via smoke signals, rather than the modern telephone? Not very good AMM material, if'n you ask me ... RR1LA@aol.com wrote: > > wow Duncan. now it sounds too good to miss. shoot out the end of this century, > shoot in the new, shoot out the old millenium, shoot in the new, have new > years first in the world and jet-boat through the fire-fly caves. WAUGH! on > the phone booking those outrageously expensive reservations NOW!!! thanks > for the enlightenment. YHS, Barney P. Fife - -- JW "LRay" Stephens ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 18:51:16 -0500 From: "sean" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 Ok, dumb question.... how do you figure the new millenium starts in the year 2001??? - -----Original Message----- From: Rkleinx2@aol.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 2:41 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 > >In a message dated 3/6/99 2:46:59 AM, Duncanm@connected.net.nz writes: > ><<>new milleniumn >> > >Which begins on Jan.1,2001 > Dick > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 19:37:26 EST From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 WOW, about time. We been needing a good controversy!!! This should start a good one... Here's my take on this issue: There was no calendar year zero (0); the first year AD was the year one (1). That plus 999 more equal a thousand (1000) years (a millenium), which ended in 000. Continuing forward from there, using basic math, it can be deduced that the FIRST year of EVERY millenium will end in 1, (1001, 2001,3001, etc, and the LAST year of every millenium would end in 0. i.e, 2000, 3000, etc. Therefore, the year 2000 is the LAST YEAR of both this century (100 year intervals) and the LAST YEAR of this millenium (thousand year intervals), and the year 2001 is therefore the start of both a new centruy and a new millenium. Maybe it's easier understood with the use of centuries... the 18th Century was from 1701 THROUGH 1800, not 1700 through 1799. Hope this didn't create more confusion.... YHS, Barn. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 18:44:12 -0800 From: Frank Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 Yup! Medicine Bear RR1LA@aol.com wrote: > WOW, about time. We been needing a good controversy!!! This should start a > good one... Here's my take on this issue: There was no calendar year > zero (0); the first year AD was the year one (1). That plus 999 more equal a > thousand (1000) years (a millenium), which ended in 000. Continuing forward > from there, using basic math, it can be deduced that the FIRST year of EVERY > millenium will end in 1, (1001, 2001,3001, etc, and the LAST year of every > millenium would end in 0. i.e, 2000, 3000, etc. > > Therefore, the year 2000 is the LAST YEAR of both this century (100 year > intervals) and the LAST YEAR of this millenium (thousand year intervals), and > the year 2001 is therefore the start of both a new centruy and a new > millenium. Maybe it's easier understood with the use of centuries... the > 18th Century was from 1701 THROUGH 1800, not 1700 through 1799. Hope this > didn't create more confusion.... YHS, Barn. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 19:51:21 -0800 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 sean wrote: > Ok, dumb question.... how do you figure the new millenium starts in the year > 2001??? Sean, No dumb questions and this probably doesn't belong here but after all the passage of time is the passage of history and this is the History List so..... I too, thought the new Millennium started at the end of 1999 and the beginning of the year 2000 at one time. I even went so far as to write a letter to a nationally known "Genius" telling her she was wrong to say it didn't start until Jan. 1, 2001. Then I sat down and tried to prove myself right on paper. Once I had diagrammed it out on paper I realized that I was making a fool of myself by believing next New Year was the start of the New Millennium. (not the first time I have said something foolish) . It becomes much clearer if you put it on paper but........ A millennium is 1000 years long. The first millennium started at "0". To count years we name them when they start not when they are complete. From "0" to the end of that first year was called "1" AD even though it "really wasn't a year gone by" until the end of that first year and only at the stroke of midnight of that first year was it a full "Year One". But at that moment in time it was "Year 2". And so on, and so on, etc. until we arrive at where we are now. Whether you speak of one year or 10 years or 100 years or 1000 years or 2000 years, you have to start at "0" and go until you have Completed the full measure. We won't complete a full measure of 2000 linear years until we get to the end of the year 2000. Another way to think of it is to replace "years" with say, inches or feet or some other linear form of measure, money would be a good medium to use too. One could say they were 'in' inch one at the 1/2" mark but they would not be 'at' inch "one" until they had gone the distance. The same would apply to 2000 inches. You don't really have 2000 inches until you get to the end of the 2000th inch. The same applies to years. You can substitute dollars for years. If you are owed, say 2000 dollars, you surely would not concider that you had been given what you were owed after recieveing only 1999 dollars. You would want that last dollar and you would be entitled to it. Then once you had it in your hand you realy would have 2000 dollars. I probably am not the best at explaining this but it is true. What has happened is simply that we have gotten caught up in the excitement and hype of the milestone of the year 2000. It is a "magic" number and has always felt like it should be a new beginning. But in truth it is really just the end. The end of the 20th Century and a special occasion but not the first year of the New Millennium, just the grand finale to the last Millennium. So like I said, we should have a great time this coming New Years Eve and then we will have a Really Grand Time the following New Years Eve. Sorry for taking up band width on this subject. If any wish to talk of this further, we should probably take it off list. I remain....... YMOS Capt. Lahti' > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rkleinx2@aol.com > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 2:41 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 > > > > >In a message dated 3/6/99 2:46:59 AM, Duncanm@connected.net.nz writes: > > > ><<>new milleniumn >> > > > >Which begins on Jan.1,2001 > > Dick > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 13:40:01 -0500 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 Well, I cannot make the one in Australia, but if you guys want to meet a few of us from Fla/Ga. we hold one near WAycross, Ga. on New years to not shoot but " blow up" the New Year In. Does that make any sense???? Our sight does not allow guns, but we can bring as much fire works and gun powder to welcome in the new year. Also as much food as you can stomach. This last event had over 2 hours of fire works. Home made and bought. It was a wonderful sight. And we are very safety conscience. No one blown up yet. But a great party. Many of us are safety officers in black powder with the National Park service so we are not allowed to blow our selves up. If anyone is interested....let me know. Linda Holley RR1LA@aol.com wrote: > wow Duncan. now it sounds too good to miss. shoot out the end of this century, > shoot in the new, shoot out the old millenium, shoot in the new, have new > years first in the world and jet-boat through the fire-fly caves. WAUGH! on > the phone booking those outrageously expensive reservations NOW!!! thanks > for the enlightenment. YHS, Barney P. Fife ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:17:41 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 There are lots of arguments about this. Some people believe that the = year 2000 is the last year of the 20th century and that the 21st = century, the next millennium, begins on January 1, 2001. Others = disagree, and believe that the next millennium begins on January 1, = 2000. I believe the former but, what the hell, I am going to have a = kick-ass party on Dec 31, 1999 and another on Dec 31, 2000, and maybe = one the NEXT year, too. That seems perfectly sensible to me. Y'all = come.....BYOB. Lanney Ratcliff - -----Original Message----- From: sean To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 5:52 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 >Ok, dumb question.... how do you figure the new millenium starts in the = year >2001??? > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rkleinx2@aol.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 2:41 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 > > >> >>In a message dated 3/6/99 2:46:59 AM, Duncanm@connected.net.nz writes: >> >><<>new milleniumn >> >> >>Which begins on Jan.1,2001 >> Dick >> >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:28:25 -0500 From: "sean" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 You can NEVER have too many parties!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:06:55 EST From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 In a message dated 3/7/99 2:11:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, rat@htcomp.net writes: << Y'all come.....BYOB. Lanney Ratcliff >> YEEEHAWWW Lanney. Best answer yet. You be sure and let us know what time and where. YHS, Barney P. Fife ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:23:58 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 my house, 'bout dark. L - -----Original Message----- From: RR1LA@aol.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 8:13 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 >In a message dated 3/7/99 2:11:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, = rat@htcomp.net >writes: > ><< Y'all come.....BYOB. Lanney Ratcliff >> > > YEEEHAWWW Lanney. Best answer yet. You be sure and let us know what = time and >where. YHS, Barney P. Fife > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 22:26:11 -0500 From: "LEWIS K RAPER" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 How do I get to this 2000 rondy? It sounds like fun!!!-Possumhunter "No man can truly know Christ except he follow him in life" ( Testimony of Anabaptist leader Hans Denk) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Holley To: Sent: Sunday, March 07, 1999 1:40 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 >Well, I cannot make the one in Australia, but if you guys want to meet a few of us >from Fla/Ga. we hold one near WAycross, Ga. on New years to not shoot but " blow >up" the New Year In. Does that make any sense???? Our sight does not allow guns, >but we can bring as much fire works and gun powder to welcome in the new year. >Also as much food as you can stomach. This last event had over 2 hours of fire >works. Home made and bought. It was a wonderful sight. And we are very safety >conscience. No one blown up yet. But a great party. Many of us are safety >officers in black powder with the National Park service so we are not allowed to >blow our selves up. If anyone is interested....let me know. > >Linda Holley ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 23:29:09 -0800 From: "Sidney Porter" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 Be there or be square, Ain't it so LR? Sidney - -----Original Message----- From: Ratcliff To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 6:17 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 my house, 'bout dark. L - -----Original Message----- From: RR1LA@aol.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 8:13 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 >In a message dated 3/7/99 2:11:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, rat@htcomp.net >writes: > ><< Y'all come.....BYOB. Lanney Ratcliff >> > > YEEEHAWWW Lanney. Best answer yet. You be sure and let us know what time and >where. YHS, Barney P. Fife > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 00:44:32 EST From: EmmaPeel2@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000 Gee, I think there should be a momentous rendezvous to celebrate the millenium at Bents Fort or somewhere equally monumental. Could celebrate with a jug of Taos lightening...then NO one would care if it began on 1/1/00 or 1/1/01 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 13:48:53 -0800 From: Mark Robbins Subject: MtMan-List: Wire inlays Im restocking my old CVA Mountian Rifle and I decided to try my hand at putting in some wire inlays. First I'd rather try it with this one (ie: cheap kit), rather thn my next rifle I plan to build which will be much more complex. (call it OJT) Does anyone have any suggestions for a good drawing source online or books, where I can get some ideas on patterns? Thanks Mark Robbins Monroe, WA ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #251 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.