From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #262 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Saturday, March 20 1999 Volume 01 : Number 262 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:00:20 -0600 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discussions Sean, Well said. We don't do this stuff for a living. It's supposed to be fun, and when it ceases to be I'm through with it. Pendleton - ---------- > From: sean > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discussions > Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 7:17 PM > > > > > Dennis said: > >> Gentlemen, I don't know about y'all,( especially those that would prefer > a > >>technically dry, humorless, impersonal list) but I prefer this to be like > a > >>large campfire.... With folks from different locals, skill levels, and > walks > >>of life's paths to get together and discuss and , God forbid, joke among > >>themselves.. Mebby share some and learn some things... > > > I have to add my 2 beaver worth here.... darn it.. I tried to keep quiet... > honest I did. > > Even after 9 years of skinnin, I still feel like a Tenderfoot... done > gradiated from Greenhorn... and I thoroughly do enjoy the topics here. > Butthe banter and jokes and asides are great too. Its called HUMOR... and > we need a little of this in our lives. I own a Real Estate company in > southwest Florida, and deal with jerks and idiots constantly. Buckskinnin > is our sanity bteaks. My wife is the Director of Marketing. I enjoy the > humor and banter here... and after all, if someone doesn't like to read > it... there is alwats a DELETE button... I look on this List as an extended > family and it truly upsets me to see bickering going on. > > Now... y'all kiss and make up, and play nice, or I'll tie ya to tha pole in > the middle of the camp!!! > > Addison Miller > aka SeanBear > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:11:16 -0700 (MST) From: delis@aztec.asu.edu (BRUCE S. DE LIS) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TYPE C FRENCH TRADE GUN Danny Caywood does Type C's as aprt of his Smoothebores. If you would like his telephone number. Contact me off list. he has a brochure on his Smoothebores, Finished Gun, Kits, and IN THE WHITES B > >When and where was the Type C French Trade Gun manufactured? I am planning >to buy or build one later on this year. Also were they trade by the >British traders as well? >Pendleton > > > - -- "The Price Of Freedom Is Not Free" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:31:00 -0700 From: "Barry Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discussions Well put Jim, Thanks Buck - -----Original Message----- From: Casapy123@aol.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 10:50 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discussions >The delete button is not the best answer. It would be easy to just delete >post from those we know are always adding in the chit chat part some of us >would like to avoid. The problem is those folks are typically the most vocal >and often add items of varying degree of interest, even if not always >documented. It gives us a place to start our own research. If we just >"delete" we don't solve the problem. > >Here's a suggestion, although it requires a bit of effort on the part of the >"chatters." Add an asterisk to the thread line. That way, we'll know there >is nothing really pertaining to the thread in the post, just "chatter." > >Another suggestion was made a while back that also makes some sense. If the >post is to an individual, make it direct to that person rather than through >the list. This suggestion apparetnly wasn't well received then, so probably >won't be now. Maybe becasue it takes even more effort than adding a code to >the thread line. > >Jim Hardee, AMM#1676 > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:40:26 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Finally...a start Gentlemen, I have had to put this on the back burner since October, but have finally gotten around to getting some coding and photograpy done. I have tons more stuff to put up, but it will be slow going. Many of the links are just placeholders for now to let you know of coming things. http://oldfoxtraders.com I hope we can do some business in the future. Thanks for your consideration. Dave Kanger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:49:15 -0600 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TYPE C FRENCH TRADE GUN Thanks, Caywood is at the top of the list. What I should have asked is, when and where were they first manufactured? In other words where in France? Pendleton - ---------- > From: BRUCE S. DE LIS > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TYPE C FRENCH TRADE GUN > Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 8:11 PM > > > > > Danny Caywood does Type C's as aprt of his > Smoothebores. If you would like his > telephone number. Contact me off list. > he has a brochure on his Smoothebores, Finished > Gun, Kits, and IN THE WHITES > > B > > > >When and where was the Type C French Trade Gun manufactured? I am planning > >to buy or build one later on this year. Also were they trade by the > >British traders as well? > >Pendleton > > > > > > > > -- > "The Price Of Freedom > Is Not Free" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:53:02 -0700 From: "Barry Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TYPE C FRENCH TRADE GUN For this information see: http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html Buck _______________ - -----Original Message----- From: larry pendleton To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 7:51 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TYPE C FRENCH TRADE GUN >Thanks, Caywood is at the top of the list. What I should have asked is, >when and where were they first manufactured? In other words where in >France? >Pendleton > >---------- >> From: BRUCE S. DE LIS >> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TYPE C FRENCH TRADE GUN >> Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 8:11 PM >> >> >> >> >> Danny Caywood does Type C's as aprt of his >> Smoothebores. If you would like his >> telephone number. Contact me off list. >> he has a brochure on his Smoothebores, Finished >> Gun, Kits, and IN THE WHITES >> >> B >> > >> >When and where was the Type C French Trade Gun manufactured? I am >planning >> >to buy or build one later on this year. Also were they trade by the >> >British traders as well? >> >Pendleton >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> "The Price Of Freedom >> Is Not Free" > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:10:13 -0600 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TYPE C FRENCH TRADE GUN Thanks Buck ! Pendleton - ---------- > From: Barry Conner > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TYPE C FRENCH TRADE GUN > Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 8:53 PM > > For this information see: > http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html > > Buck > _______________ > -----Original Message----- > From: larry pendleton > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 7:51 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TYPE C FRENCH TRADE GUN > > > >Thanks, Caywood is at the top of the list. What I should have asked is, > >when and where were they first manufactured? In other words where in > >France? > >Pendleton > > > >---------- > >> From: BRUCE S. DE LIS > >> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TYPE C FRENCH TRADE GUN > >> Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 8:11 PM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Danny Caywood does Type C's as aprt of his > >> Smoothebores. If you would like his > >> telephone number. Contact me off list. > >> he has a brochure on his Smoothebores, Finished > >> Gun, Kits, and IN THE WHITES > >> > >> B > >> > > >> >When and where was the Type C French Trade Gun manufactured? I am > >planning > >> >to buy or build one later on this year. Also were they trade by the > >> >British traders as well? > >> >Pendleton > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> "The Price Of Freedom > >> Is Not Free" > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:00:12 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RIFLING MACHINE Check out the books "The Muzzleloading Caplock Rifle" and "The Kentucky Rifle" for photos of rifling/rouph boring machines. In the Muzzleloading Caplock Rifle there are photographs of an old time riflesmith using an existing rifle barrel to rifle a newly made barrel. He used the existing barrel to get the twist from that barrel. I have a jig that I made myself. I didn't use any plans, except for the ones in my head. They are relatively simple in construction. The screw and the indexing block are the most difficult parts to make. The Jig I made is patterned off of one in a local museum. From the northwoods, Tony clark - -----Original Message----- From: larry pendleton To: mountain lists Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 7:32 PM Subject: MtMan-List: RIFLING MACHINE >Where can I get detailed drawings of a rifling machine? Some of us have a >wild hair to build our own gun barrels. Might want to sell one someday you >can't ever tell. >Pendleton > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:01:37 -0500 From: "Fred A. Miller" Subject: MtMan-List: A Matter of Training A Matter of Training An old man who'd lived all his life back up in the hills came to visit a childhood friend. Now he'd never laid eyes on a train or the iron rails on which they run. Standing in the middle of the tracks one day, he heard a distant whistle... WOOOO-ooo---OOOOO! but didn't have a clue as to what it meant or his impending danger. Predictably, the old boy is hit-fortunately it's just a side swipe, and he's thrown, head over heels off the tracks, get's off with minor internal injuries, a few broken bones, and some bruises. After weeks in the hospital recovering, he's at a friend's place for dinner one evening Standing in the kitchen, he hears the rising whistle of the family tea kettle wooOOO.... Springing into action, he grabs a rolling pin and mercilessly bashes and smashes the once merry kettle into a useless, shapeless hunk of copper. His friend, hearing the fuss, rushes into the kitchen, sees what's happened and asks his friend, "Why'd you wreck our lovely tea kettle?" The mountain man replies: "Man, you gotta kill these things when they're small." - -- "Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some! http://www.cap-n-ball.com/thunder/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:01:28 -0800 From: Dennis Fisher Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lube I have been shooting black powder since 1963 and have never bought any patch lube ever. I mostly use spit patches but have made my own patch lube so I could prelube patched balls in my loading block. I use a mixture of beeswax, parafin, and lard. You can try different proportions to suit yourself. It works quite well during warm weather but tends to be a little stiff in the winter. I use bear oil when it gets below freezing. Anyway, I put the combined and melted ingrediants in a 2 pound coffee can and dip strips of patching material in it while it is melted. I pull the soaked patching between two tightly held pieces of an old broken ramrod to squeege off the excess lube and lay it aside to cool. Once cool I roll the patching up and put it away. On hot days when you just seem to run low on spit, this prelubed patching works out real well. I have never tried to see how many shots I could do without swabing the bore but I will give it a try the next time I'm out. Based on what I have heard on the list lately, I may try a batch without parafin and see how that works. Dennis Fisher ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:42:01 -0600 From: "Richard W. Fones" Subject: MtMan-List: Old Mines This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6FDC.ADEF9340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am looking for the dates for the rendezvous in Old Mines MO. I know = it`s in May but I don`t know what weekend. Can you help me? 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Press Services - -/____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ fm@cupserv.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:06:21 EST From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Matter of Training ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:31:29 -0500 From: "Fred A. Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: lube hawknest4@juno.com wrote: > > fred you didn't give any details except that you had worked for two years > on it--what is it's base and what makes it so good and easy to load and > shoot with---send more info and what do you get for a sample of > it---always looking for a better mouse trap---"my grizzley snot" or "ol > grizz" is very similar to the old black solve that was sold back in the > 60's except that I use burning silica--a disbursing agent for systems to > keep oils and other liquids from frothing when areated--it also uses all > bio-degradable stuff so that there is no residue in the barrel---I add > some alcahol so that it wont freeze in the winter. > > what makes your lube so good and wonderful--I dont put anything in the > barrel of my gun that I dont know what it is and what it will do---will > be glad to send you a sample of mine for a sample of yours--- Mike, send me your smail-mail address and we'll send off a sample....don't need your's, thanks. A number of folks would like to know what's in it. ALL ingredients were available in the 1700's, and nothing in it will harm a firearm. Fred - -- "Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some! http://www.cap-n-ball.com/thunder/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:11:48 EST From: DNoggler@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: H&R Springfield Stalker 58 Cal. Dear Sir, I stumbled across you while surfing for information about the above mentioned gun. I bought it sight un seen off the internet (ebay) and am very happy with it. Only catch is there was no spec with it. So I tried to determine the rate of twist and determined that the rate was about one in forty inches. This rate seems strange in a production gun. My question is, Do you or anyone you know have any information or expierience with this gun. Iwould appreciate any help. thank you D.Pancho Noggler DNoggler@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:42:11 EST From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Old Mines old mines is may 14 thru 16. phone number to call for more infor.is 573-438-7712. i'm pretty sure of the date you may went to call. traphand ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:50:10 -0500 From: "Fred A. Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Message Protocol Pat Quilter wrote: [snip] > 2. Fred's reminder about "plain text" caused me to look for the first time > in my MS Outlook Format menu, and there WAS a check box for plain text, but > only during "Reply". I can't find it during "New Message". I would value > comments about the appearance of my postings. Pat, with all due respect, Outlook and Outlook Express share a number of common problems. If you can get your Sys. Admin. there to install Netscape Communicator 4.51, you'll have a better application for all uses on the Net, including sending out plain text messages. [snip] > 4. Reading the objections about long banter threads reminds me that I'm > spoiled by having a full-function Email system here at my office. We have > Microsoft Outlook (which is no more bloated and unreliable than other MS > products) which does have some helpful features. The main one is, my > internet Email arrives on my screen just like interoffice Email, and I can > arrange my settings so that once I've started to read a long string of new > postings, a single click will either close or delete the current message and > open the next. This way, I can "delete" my way through a backup of postings > as fast as I can skim their contents. Therefore, I am not greatly bothered > by the long strings of friendly chat. HOWEVER: I remember the days of having > to log onto Compuserve, "you've got mail", having to wait for interminable > downloads, and finally being able to read messages. If I was still getting > my postings this way, I would be a lot more bothered by numerous, short > comments, especially without good Subject lines. I share your concerns, and I think we're all guilty of not watching the sub. lines as we should. I'm on a number of list, and news groups, some because of professional necessity, and the lack of proper subject line(s) is a problem at times. I just set up my dept. at Cornell with 24x7 service at up to 7Mbit speeds (XDLS), and I have 24x7 here as well, but not quit as fast. 'Have to be able to monitor systems remotely from here and take care of mail as well. Thanks, Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:18:00 +1300 From: Duncan Macready Subject: MtMan-List: Native American Dogs I assume that the dogs used by the Native Americans there before the Europeans ,unlike the horse.Are there any pure breeds left if so what type of dog are they? what do they look like? is there a web site I can access? YMOS Cutfinger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:54:34 -0500 From: "sean" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Matter of Training Hey Trap... exactly what is it you're tryin to say??? *grin*.... smoke signal fire done went out... SeanBear - -----Original Message----- From: Traphand@aol.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com ; David Bennett ; FentonLLL@aol.com ; Tannbak@aol.com ; david.Graybill@mosby.com ; bates@i1.net ; harris4t@rollanet.org ; Hawknest4@juno.com ; diana.thomson@mosby.com ; petz ; Jlpretzel@aol.com ; RSchne1030@aol.com Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 12:30 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Matter of Training > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:05:02 EST From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Matter of Training sorry joke maybe going to wrong site hit wrong key. trap ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:13:48 -0500 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Matter of Training Why be sorry...?? I laughed my ass off.. D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accouterments http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 - -----Original Message----- From: Traphand@aol.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 9:05 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Matter of Training >sorry joke maybe going to wrong site hit wrong key. > > > trap > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:09:22 -0700 From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: OT: MtMan-List: Re: Message Protocol Pat Quilter's comments are excellent. I'd like to add a couple more tips; I hope they will be received in the spirit in which they are offered. This is 'netiquette' I have learned from other lists. - --If you want to post "chit-chat" (jokes or other stuff not directly relevant to the Rocky Mountain fur trade from 1800 to 1850), put "OT" at the beginning of your subject line (like I did with this message). It stands for "off topic", and is a warning to certain list members to delete without reading. - --Don't leave the message you're replying to stuck at the end of your reply; if you want to refresh other folks as to what you're responding to, quote the part you are responding to (and only that part) at the beginning or end of your message. Otherwise you will be posting messages like "I agree" plus the entire original message that you agree with, plus the responses from other folks who did the same thing. This is called 'wasting bandwidth', and can put an undue strain on Internet e-mail resources, as well as the patience of other folks on the list, who have to spend precious minutes with antique computers (386's!) waiting for it all to download. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:09:11 -0700 From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canadian Cap & rabbit fur References on mittens, lined with rabbit fur & otherwise: "of all furrs the furr of the hare is the warmest, we place pieces of it in our mittens, the skin is too thin for any other purpose." c. 1800, Hudson's Bay (David Thompson, _Narrative_, 31) "...in the intense cold, the shot is no sooner fired than our hands are in our large mittens; we walk and pick up the bird, then get the powder in, and walk again, at length [put in] the shot, and the gun is loaded; it is needless to say, exposed to such bitter cold, with no shelter, we cannot fire many shots in a single day. Gloves are found to be worse than useless." c. 1800, Hudson's Bay (David Thompson, _Narrative_, 31) (Remember the "mittened hand" that the large trigger guard on the NW trade gun is supposed to be for? Well, Thompson is clearly _taking his mittens off_ to shoot.) "I fortunately escaped [frostbite], by the aid and assistance of a pair of rabbit skin gloves with which I kept constantly chafing the places affected..." Dec 9, 1820, Fort Providence on N. shore of Great Slave Lake (George Back, _Arctic Artist, 103) "We employed ourselves in making mittens of old deer [caribou] skin that was found lying about--I made a pair also..." October 10, 1821, Obstruction Rapids of Coppermine R (about halfway between Great Slave Lake and Coronation Gulf on the Arctic Ocean). (Back, 184) Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:44:16 -0500 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Kinjano I use to belong to the Hyu Eenyas in the EARLY 80's. It was a great fellowship of ladies who wanted to get together. Still have all the old news letters and keep "somewhat" in touch with the escaped leader. Have been looking for women in the southeast with the same interest and would like to get together and do some "lady" camping. The summer is too hot, but there are other times. Have been looking for a place to hold the event. Any one interested?? Linda Holley-Jax., Fla. Barbara Smith wrote: > Gads! You're a GIRL? Sorry, I just heard the tail of some > conversations 'bout Ohio, and scaring the boy, and assumed you were > male! (Gotta show those assets...) > > Anyway, I'm off to see your website, and I'm very interested in what > you're doing. This doins' I've been describing was put on by two women > who used to belong to "Hyu Eenas" (Many Beavers), a group which > appeared to go belly up after it's ringleader high-tailed it to > Wyoming. They had a great newsletter with all sorts of fabulous > information, and a slogan "Keep yer flour dry!" which always makes me > grin. I got into this hobby after they'd died off, but a friend gave me > copies of their newsletters for the good information. I BELIEVE they > were all women associated with AMM brothers in one way or another. I'd > be interested in any women's association, but I'm not married to a > Brother, so please tell me that's not a criteria! > > Also, does your group have any ties to similar women's groups elsewhere > in the country, like say, North Carolina? > > Many thanks, dear lady, and sorry about the misassumption: What giggle > I had opening the list today! :-) > > Yer Most Disobedient Servant, > Tassee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:49:47 -0500 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur The blankets were strips of fine rabbit woven like you would make an old blanket. There are warp and weft. Mostly popular with the Southwest Indians. I have made 4 of these and they are very comfortable and warm. Also very durable compared to just sewing large pieces of rabbit fur together. Linda Holley Butch wrote: > Austin, Tim wrote: > > > > Good information on the rabbit fur for the moccasins. What is the source? > > I know several of the mountain men used buffalo fur to make moccasins, and a > > trip of Indians in the west that made blankets of rabbit hides with fur > > still on. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Tim Austin > > Rabbit skin blankets are very warm, but I'd recommend you put the blanket > inside an envelope of cloth, etc. Rabbit skin with the fur on sheds > something awful. Good way to wake up with a big old mouthful of rabbit > fur. > > These were used as baby blankets,too, IIRC. > > Butch ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:07:46 GMT From: rparker7@ix.netcom.com (Roy Parker) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Matter of Training On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:13:48 -0500, you wrote: >Why be sorry...?? I laughed my ass off.. >D > > "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" > DOUBLE EDGE FORGE > Period Knives & Iron Accouterments > http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 >-----Original Message----- >From: Traphand@aol.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 9:05 AM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Matter of Training > > >>sorry joke maybe going to wrong site hit wrong key. >> >> >> trap >> > > Hey you guys, quit laughing about this or the anti-humorist party will get mad again. As for Fred's initial joke, well, all I can say is ROTHFLMAO. Roy Parker, Buckskinner, Brewer, Blacksmith and other "B"'s, including = "BS". 1999 SW Rendezvous info available at http://www.sat.net/~robenhaus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:25:10 EST From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: offline-Re: MtMan-List: H&R Springfield Stalker 58 Cal. the springfield stalker came in various barrel configerations so i will sum up what i know about them---early ones were 1-48 twist so that they could shoot minnies and round ball with a low powder charge-- IE: 60 gr of 2 or 3f as you increase the powder charge you will find that the groop dia will increase and your accurcy will decrease---have seen some that will shoot good at 70 to 80 gr of black but would only hold a groop of about 6 in at 50 yds---start with 50 gr of 3 f and shoot 5 shots for groop only then increase in 5 gr increments and watch your groop then pick the charge that gives you the best groop---the bore diameters of the barrels are two differnt ones and will shoot a .562 round ball and the other shoots a .575 round ball with .o15 pillow ticking patches---I like the tight fit as possible and still have fairly easy loading---the stalkers also came in a 1-22 twist which was for minnies or solid bullets or sabots--never saw one of them that shot well at all --groop size varried from day to day ---the last twist was 1-72 which was a slow twist for round ball primarily but the rifleing was cut shallow for minnies---these were the most accurate and consistant but required the tight fitting patch and ball combination but they were not as powder critical for accurcy---would shoot good with 60 to 120 gr black---the only difference is with the increased powder charge the impact of the bullet would rise most of these had a accurcy load of about 90 gr of 2 or 3 f powder---I prefer the 3 f because it burns cleaner and less powder is required to get the higher velosity--- the stalker was intended to be used as a cheep deer hunting gun and work well with that when you work up your accurcy load---feel free to contact me offline or give me a call and we can go into depth about your gun--- hope i have been of assistance to you on your question--- =+= "HAWK" Michael pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor Florida 34684 E-mail: Hawknest4@Juno.com On Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:11:48 EST DNoggler@aol.com writes: >Dear Sir, >I stumbled across you while surfing for information about the above >mentioned >gun. I bought it sight un seen off the internet (ebay) and am very >happy with >it. Only catch is there was no spec with it. So I tried to determine >the rate >of twist and determined that the rate was about one in forty inches. >This rate >seems strange in a production gun. My question is, Do you or anyone >you know >have any information or expierience with this gun. Iwould appreciate >any help. >thank you >D.Pancho Noggler >DNoggler@aol.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #262 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. 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