From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #268 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, March 25 1999 Volume 01 : Number 268 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:16:06 EST From: TrapRJoe@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 1st beaver skinn`in To beaver skin with any kind of ease at all, you must start with and keep you knife razor sharp. Go to your state trappers conventions and they can assist you more. If you don't know how to contact them, let me know, and I will give you someone to contact in your state. TrapRJoe@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:28:33 -0800 From: terry l landis Subject: MtMan-List: jerky could some one share with me a period recipe for jerky/dried meat? i got some bear to jerk for a trip. thanks YMHS, Terry L Landis ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:27:40 -0600 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky Build a rack in the blazing sun, cut meat into long thin strips and hang = to dry, (optional) build a smoky fire under the meat. Wait. John... At 06:28 PM 3/24/99 -0800, you wrote: >could some one share with me a period recipe for jerky/dried meat? i got >some bear to jerk for a trip.=20 >thanks >YMHS, >=A0 Terry L Landis > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >=20 Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:25:36 -0800 From: "JON P TOWNS" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky >could some one share with me a period recipe for jerky/dried meat? i got >some bear to jerk for a trip. >thanks >YMHS, > Terry L Landis > They say back home in(Michigan) to treat bear like pork because to the chance of trichinosis. Has anyone heard the same thing???? Now if you want a good way is a cup of salt, a cup of brown sugar and couple of qts.. of water I add a box of crab or shrimp boil it has a lot of spices. Soak over night and dry with a towel. I use a smoker. Works good for me. Later Jon T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:43:47 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky > >could some one share with me a period recipe for jerky/dried meat? i got > >some bear to jerk for a trip. On Wed, 24 Mar 1999, JON P TOWNS wrote: > They say back home in(Michigan) to treat bear like pork because to the > chance of trichinosis. Exactly correct. Bears, being wild critters unhampered by fences and feedlots, and tending to eat any and everything, tend to be heavy carriers of trichinosis. A gentleman up here in the Pacific Northwest made jerky out of cougar a while back, and managed to infect a lot of folks with this. They figgered the cougar found and ate a dead bear. If'n it was me, I'd find some other meat (say, a herbivore) for your jerky. And John Kramer's recipe is about as period as you can get... except he left out the flies and snapping dogs. Regards Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho NMLRA member 058863 email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:47:02 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky Terry I would have thought that bear meat would be too fatty for jerky with = any expectation that it wouldn't get rancid after a while, but I have no = experience jerking bear. I have boiled bear and roasted bear over = coals, and both times lots of grease cooked out of meat that had no = discernible fat showing. =20 I know a fellow up in the northwest who will cook a pork roast then = shred it and dry it. It rehydreates readily and cooks up really good. = Do you suppose that would work with bear meat? Please post a report of the results. I think lots of folks would be = interested in how it turns out. Good luck. Lanney Ratcliff - -----Original Message----- From: terry l landis To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 8:36 PM Subject: MtMan-List: jerky >could some one share with me a period recipe for jerky/dried meat? i = got >some bear to jerk for a trip.=20 >thanks >YMHS, > Terry L Landis > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at = http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:37:30 EST From: Tomactor@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re:history channel--the mountain man (long) Don't be shy, Larry. tell us how you really feel. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:07:07 -0800 From: terry l landis Subject: MtMan-List: towels o.k. one more quick one. what if any materal was ysed for towels back in them days? sack cloth come's to mind. anyone know of any other ? thanks YMHS, Terry L Landis ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:05:03 -0800 From: terry l landis Subject: MtMan-List: re:jerky its true about bear being like pork , but i have made jerk out of this one several times and no one's dead yet. this bear was shot in aug. last year (my first beasty with a muzzle loader), so no fat on it lanney. i was just looking for a period recipe. you can only eat so much teriyaki jerk ya know. john thanks for the tip i'll try it . thanks all, YMHS, Terry L Landis ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:30:49 -0800 From: Frank Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re:jerky Terry, I smoked some deer once, cut the meat in to strips, made a rack and had some good coals going under it. I walked around the woods where we were camped and started tasting leaves on the trees till I found one that was kinda sweet. I put both branches and some of the green leaves on the coals and smoked the meat for the entire day. I wish I knew what tree that was 'cause the meat was sooooooo good we couldn't stop eating it! I imagine that wasn't too far from the way it might have been done in our period of interest. Hope that helps some, Medicine Bear ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:53:25 -0500 (EST) From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI) Subject: MtMan-List: History Channel's The Mountain Men Covering approximately 40 years of fur trade history (c.1805-1845) should have been done on PBS. Maybe 20 hours worth of programming - 2 hours Mon-Fri for two weeks. Or go to a continuing series format on History Channel (similar to their Civil War series). Sounds like a 1000 yard shot either way. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:02:25 -0800 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky terry l landis wrote: > could some one share with me a period recipe for jerky/dried meat? i got > some bear to jerk for a trip. > thanks > YMHS, > Terry L Landis Terry, If you must make jerky out of your bear meat, my recommendation is to just cut it in thin strips and shake a bit of salt and pepper on it like you were seasoning it and let it dry. It probably wouldn't hurt to smoke cure it as though it were bacon or ham. The last bear I got had some of the meat treated that way and it made good ham, etc. But I am a firm believer that to be safe, bear meat needs to be cooked just like pork. Lanneys idea of cooking it, shredding it and then drying it is a good one. If you do decide to make jerky out of it be advised that you can haul it in my bateau this weekend but I ain't gona eat any of it unless you cooked it first! On another note, we don't need no stinking towels! They's for city folk. That's what your breech clout is for amongst other uses. See ya on the lake mate. I remain...... YMOS Capt. Lahti' > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:07:55 +1200 From: "The Brooks" Subject: MtMan-List: Goex/ Elephant Rumours are circulating here that advice has been received that Goex have sold out to Elephant lock stock and barrel. Apparently all equipment is heading south to Brazil wherever Elephant comes from. From now on all will be one or so the story goes. Anybody on the list able to confirm or deny??? Kia Ora Big Bear In cool hazy Marlborough New Zealand. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:35:06 -0800 From: Butch Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky > They say back home in(Michigan) to treat bear like pork because to the > chance of trichinosis. Has anyone heard the same thing???? > > Bears who raid human garbage are prone to picking up trichinosis, on account of infected beef and pork in the garbage. Bears taken far away from human settlements are less likely to have it. Just in case, it can't hurt to cook it thoroughly, just in case. Butch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:48:05 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re:jerky You are right about Teriyaki. Some of the best jerky I ever made was = simply peppered meat dried over a tiny little smoky fire.......lot of = smoke, no fire. Used green mesquite wood. Probably not much of that = where you are, though. Just about any hardwood would do nicely. Lanney Ratcliff - -----Original Message----- From: terry l landis To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 10:11 PM Subject: MtMan-List: re:jerky >its true about bear being like pork , but i have made jerk out of this >one several times and no one's dead yet. this bear was shot in aug. = last >year (my first beasty with a muzzle loader), so no fat on it lanney. i >was just looking for a period recipe. you can only eat so much teriyaki >jerk ya know. >john thanks for the tip i'll try it . >thanks all, >YMHS, > Terry L Landis > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at = http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:44:49 -0700 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: MtMan-List: Trade goods George Morgan, partners of a Philadelphia firm who were interested in starting colonies in 1768 in Illinois, listed some goods to be ordered, some I am not sure of or have a general idea of what it is but no knowledge of where the goods were made. What is Loaf sugar, Muscovado, Hyson tea, Bohea tea, Pewter basons & c, Spike Gimblets, tap bores, Worsted or Cruels, Blotting Cloaths, Chintz, Black Cravats, Cutteaus, wrist bands? These items and many others were ordered and floated down the Ohio from Fort Pitt to Kaskaskia Thanks Joe Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Write for custom tanning prices We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and hair on robes Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:48:40 -0700 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: MtMan-List: Horses and Long rifles Given the long rifles carried by some Long Hunters, How were they carried horseback? Did Long hunters use horses extensively or were boats or walking perferred? Thanks Joe Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Write for custom tanning prices We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and hair on robes Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:15:49 -0800 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Horses and Long rifles Joe Brandl wrote: > Given the long rifles carried by some Long Hunters, How were they carried > horseback? Did Long hunters use horses extensively or were boats or walking > perferred? > Thanks > Joe Joe, IMHO, The "long Hunter" carried their long rifles the same way the "Mt. Men" carried their long rifles, across the body in front of them or held alongside on a narrow trail, or over the back, upside down on a sling. I can't think of any other ways to do it except a saddle scabbard and I don't know how widespread their use was if they were used at all. It seems that long hunters traveled by horse, boat and on foot. Boat transportation might be preferred and a lot of foot travel was done but they did have and did use horses too. It seems to have depended on local conditions and resources. Not a definitive answer, I admit but it's short and simple and close to the truth. I remain...... YMOS Capt. Lahti' > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:36:12 -0700 From: "Sickler, Louis L" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: The Old Gunsmith Pendelton, I'm sure Jerry will come back with some more specific info, but just to get you started this series ran in 8 installments from the Sept/Oct 1991 issue to the Nov/Dec-1992 issue. It was (and is) one of my favorite series published in this and other mags on the sport. I'm at work and do not have any specifics about the rifling machine described, but if you have any of those mags you can look it up. Hope this helps some, Red Coyote > ---------- > From: zaslow > Reply To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 23:09 > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RIFLING MACHINE > > Pendelton, > > Back a few years ago there was an excellent series in the Muzzleloader > Magazine about an early gunmaker. When I get a chance I'll try and locate > it for you, but it went into great detail about how the guns were made by > hand. I think it described the barrel making machine. > > Give me about a week and I'll see what I can find. > > Best Regards, > > Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488 > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:43:37 -0700 (MST) From: delis@aztec.asu.edu (BRUCE S. DE LIS) Subject: MtMan-List: Question About Barrel Length Well I need some serious answers as I am trying to do battle with my neighbor wh o is a retired engineer, and just starting into Black Powder shooting, as too bad for me, I got him interested in the hobby, he is driving me nuts with questions, and a lot of whys that I can't answer. He analyzes everything. Beside now my neighbor has taken control of most of my good catalog collection th at he forgot I lent him. Sure I will get them back someday? So the latest question he keep hitting me with is Barrel Length verses Accuracy, and I keep saying that if a barrel is over 35 inches long, and up to 44 inches lo ng the only reason for the different length has to do with Original Styles of Rif le, and Smoothbores. That is why the difference in barrel lengths and the accura cy thing is not effected by barrel lengths. I think when he finally decide to take the plunge, and buy his first good flintlo ck he is planning on buying a Caywood with the interchangeable barrel system so h e can do both the rifled, and smoothbore shooting. I keep saying to myself to be nice to him as maybe when the neighbors dies he wil l will me his collection of Black Powder stuff, as he has 20 years on me. Am I right when I saying, if a barrel is over 35 inches long, and up to 44 inches long the only reason for the different length has to do with Original Styles of Rifle, and Smoothbores??? B - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:42:00 -0800 From: "landis" Subject: MtMan-List: re: jerky This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BE76D6.06495260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've had his jerky ,even made some myself with deer.smokin it works = real well.just need some new seasonins to make it taste different. 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Later >Jon T > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:57:48 -0500 From: "sean" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky YES!!! Bear definately can give you Trichinosis just like pork... Sean - -----Original Message----- From: JON P TOWNS To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 10:30 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky > > > >>could some one share with me a period recipe for jerky/dried meat? i got >>some bear to jerk for a trip. >>thanks >>YMHS, >> Terry L Landis >> >They say back home in(Michigan) to treat bear like pork because to the >chance of trichinosis. Has anyone heard the same thing???? Now if you want >a good way is a cup of salt, a cup of brown sugar and couple of qts.. of >water I add a box of crab or shrimp boil it has a lot of spices. Soak over >night and dry with a towel. I use a smoker. Works good for me. Later >Jon T > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:00:14 EST From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade goods working in the same area as you are.would like to know were you got your list from Morgans store if you can help me out i would be greatful.I hit the archives in st.louis about once a month,if you need something looked up. rick petzoldt traphand@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:13:55 -0600 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question About Barrel Length Bruce, The only advantage to the longer barrel length is you have a longer site plane. [the distance between the rear and front sight] Technically there should be little difference in accuracy between long and short barrels. Pendleton - ---------- > From: BRUCE S. DE LIS > To: hist_text@xmission.com > Subject: MtMan-List: Question About Barrel Length > Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 4:43 PM > > > > Well I need some serious answers as I am trying to do battle with my neighbor wh > o is a retired engineer, and just starting into Black Powder shooting, as too bad > for me, I got him interested in the hobby, he is driving me nuts with questions, > and a lot of whys that I can't answer. He analyzes everything. > > Beside now my neighbor has taken control of most of my good catalog collection th > at he forgot I lent him. Sure I will get them back someday? > > So the latest question he keep hitting me with is Barrel Length verses Accuracy, > and I keep saying that if a barrel is over 35 inches long, and up to 44 inches lo > ng the only reason for the different length has to do with Original Styles of Rif > le, and Smoothbores. That is why the difference in barrel lengths and the accura > cy thing is not effected by barrel lengths. > > I think when he finally decide to take the plunge, and buy his first good flintlo > ck he is planning on buying a Caywood with the interchangeable barrel system so h > e can do both the rifled, and smoothbore shooting. > > I keep saying to myself to be nice to him as maybe when the neighbors dies he wil > l will me his collection of Black Powder stuff, as he has 20 years on me. > > Am I right when I saying, if a barrel is over 35 inches long, and up to 44 inches > long the only reason for the different length has to do with Original Styles of > Rifle, and Smoothbores??? > > B > > -- > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:30:28 -0600 From: "Glenn Darilek" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: towels Since no one responded, I will give my opinion: Towels, what towels? We don't need no stinkin towels. ;-) I have never seen any documentation on towels used by the mountaineer. Glenn Darilek Iron Burner - -----Original Message----- From: terry l landis To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 10:10 PM Subject: MtMan-List: towels >o.k. one more quick one. what if any materal was ysed for towels back in >them days? sack cloth come's to mind. anyone know of any other ? >thanks >YMHS, > Terry L Landis > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:40:48 -0700 (MST) From: delis@aztec.asu.edu (BRUCE S. DE LIS) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question About Barrel Length Larry you have given me some ammunition to shoot at "Mr. Slide Rule" with, like I said the guy is a retired engineer, and elderly. One very bad combination to d eal with when trying to make sense. Will try that "the distance between the rear and front sight" thing and hope he is satisfied with your expert answer. B "The only advantage to the longer barrel length is you have a longer site plane. [the distance between the rear and front sight] Technically there should be little difference in accuracy between long and short barrels. Pendleton" - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:00:39 -0600 From: "Douglas Hepner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade goods Joe, Jas. Townsend and Son lists a black cotton cravat in their online catalog. They even have a picture of a man wearing one. It is a kind of loose black tie made of fine cotton. I hope this microscopic info helps. "Dull Hawk" - ---------- > From: Joe Brandl > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: MtMan-List: Trade goods > Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 8:44 AM > > George Morgan, partners of a Philadelphia firm who were interested in > starting colonies in 1768 in Illinois, listed some goods to be ordered, > some I am not sure of or have a general idea of what it is but no knowledge > of where the goods were made. > What is Loaf sugar, Muscovado, Hyson tea, Bohea tea, Pewter basons & c, > Spike Gimblets, tap bores, Worsted or Cruels, Blotting Cloaths, Chintz, > Black Cravats, Cutteaus, wrist bands? These items and many others were > ordered and floated down the Ohio from Fort Pitt to Kaskaskia > Thanks > Joe > > Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery > Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 > Write for custom tanning prices > We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and > hair on robes > Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets > check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:30:49 -0500 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re:wabbit fur It takes that and more. Be prepared to wear a mask because of all the fur that flies. It gets in every orifice you might have and you look like a hairy something or other. I had a great deal of trouble with the nose, thinking there were all these little hairs tickling my face. But the finished product was worth it. WILL NEVER make another one again. The 4 I did was enough. Still have one left and it is very warm on a cold night. Still tickles. The LITTle strips of long fur are twisted like you make wool thread and woven in the warp. These blanket are very strong and the last one I did make was 30 years or so ago and it is just as good as the day it was made. Linda Holley Pat Quilter wrote: > I heard that it takes about 100 rabbit skins to make a woven-strip blanket. > Given that the strips of fur curl over themselves and therefore cover less > area than flat-sewn skins, and you would want them fairly tightly woven to > keep out the wind, this seems reasonable (a patchwork quilt of 1-foot skins > would require 49 skins to cover 7 x 7 feet). > YMOS > Pat Quilter > -----Original Message----- > From: John Dearing [mailto:jdearing@mail.theriver.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 1999 8:23 PM > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: MtMan-List: Re:wabbit fur > > > > > > > > > >The blankets were strips of fine rabbit woven like you would make an old > blanket. > > >There are warp and weft. Mostly popular with the Southwest Indians. I > have made 4 > > >of these and they are very comfortable and warm. Also very durable > compared to just > > >sewing large pieces of rabbit fur together. > > These rabbit skin robes were also popular in the Northeast...anywhere it got > cold, as a > matter of fact. I understand that skins taken in the middle of the winter > won't shed > nearly > as bad as those taken in late winter, or so I'm told. I'm also told that > rabbit robes > are too > warm to use above 20 degrees F. > > Any truth to this? Also, how many skins are needed to make a three point > size robe, and > do you make them for sale? Thanks J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:24:21 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade goods Joe writes: > Spike Gimblets, ---an instrument used for starting holes (as in screw holes). A kind of T-handled affair with a corkscrew on the end. >tap bores, --probably a tapered reamer used to bore the tapered holes in barrels for fitting bungs. Both this and the gimlet would be used by coopers. >Worsted or Cruels, Chintz,--all types of cloth >Blotting Cloaths---could be linen blotters used to blot ink after writing, as was the custom. > Cutteaus,---pocket knives aka cuttoes. > wrist bands?---no idea, maybe they knew the medicinal effects of copper wrist bands for soothing arthritis. Dave Kanger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 02:38:41 GMT From: rparker7@ix.netcom.com (Roy Parker) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question About Barrel Length I want to play too.... On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:40:48 -0700 (MST), you wrote: >Larry you have given me some ammunition to shoot at "Mr. Slide Rule" = with, like=20 >I said the guy is a retired engineer, and elderly. One very bad = combination to d >eal with when trying to make sense. =20 As an unretired, elderly engineer, I can only say I resemble that remark. >Will try that "the distance between the rear > and front sight" thing = and=20 >hope he is satisfied with your expert answer. > One thing not yet mentioned as I type this is the fact that a longer barrel gives "more residence time" (engineer talk) to complete combustion of the powder charge. In my reading over the years I've come across many references stating that long barrel lengths were used at least in part due to the perception that there was more "oomph" behind the ball for a given powder charge. Ballistics tests bear that out, but somewhere there is a point of deminishing return. IIRC, Lyman gives various velocities vs barrel length for some charges. I don't have a copy of Lymans BP, but I'd be surprized if there was more than 1-200fps difference between 36 and 42 inch barrels. Probably quite a bit of difference between 26-28 inch barrels vs 36 inch though. Someone with a copy care to confirm/deny? Roy Parker, Buckskinner, Brewer, Blacksmith and other "B"'s, including = "BS". 1999 SW Rendezvous info available at http://www.sat.net/~robenhaus ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #268 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.