From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #271 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, March 28 1999 Volume 01 : Number 271 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:20:45 -0600 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade Goods Not that cozy ! Pendleton - ---------- > From: Dennis Miles > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade Goods > Date: Saturday, March 27, 1999 11:01 AM > > Lanney, > > You're the one that sleeps right close to him, 'Ol buddy... Matter of fact > you two were right cozy in Mo last year... > > D > > "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" > DOUBLE EDGE FORGE > Period Knives & Iron Accouterments > http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ratcliff > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Date: Saturday, March 27, 1999 9:58 AM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade Goods > > > I think that too many people on this list have an unhealthy fascination with > my behind. You should seek counseling from highly qualified professionals > to explore these latent tendencies before it's too late. If you don't, > you may develop the urge to move to San Francisco or even the Oak Lawn > section of Dallas......the fern bar capital of north Texas. > Lanney Ratcliff > -----Original Message----- > From: larry pendleton > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Date: Saturday, March 27, 1999 8:42 AM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade Goods > > > >I'm talking HIINNEY BO [ASS] for days. Somehow this plate of ham and eggs > >just don't shine no more. > >Pendleton > > > >---------- > >> From: Ratcliff > >> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade Goods > >> Date: Saturday, March 27, 1999 7:43 AM > >> > >> Buck, there are people trying to eat breakfast now. The thought of me in > >a clout will doubtless cause many of them to set down their Cheerios and > >go lay down for a spell......maybe with a damp cloth on their forehead. > >Have some compassion, man. > >> Lanney > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Barry Conner > >> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > >> Date: Saturday, March 27, 1999 7:38 AM > >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade Goods > >> > >> > >> >No, he would have gotten blown over with the cross winds from your > >clout. > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: Ratcliff > >> >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > >> >Date: Friday, March 26, 1999 8:15 PM > >> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade Goods > >> > > >> > > >> >I'm not commenting about my dainty size except to say that if > >Christopher > >> >Colombus had used one of my shirts for a sail he would have gotten to > >San > >> >Salvador in 1491. > >> >Lanney > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: Barry Conner > >> >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > >> >Date: Friday, March 26, 1999 6:53 PM > >> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade Goods > >> > > >> >>Oh I found out how big Lanney was on a > >> >>trip to the parking area one day, wasn't sure if I had brought enough > >> >>supplies after looking him over, right Lanney. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:25:17 -0700 From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: towels I haven't found any explicit mentions of towels in the fur trade, but back in Upper Canada before 1840, linen was used for towels. It was usually plain woven (one threads over, threads under), but could be twill woven (two threads over, two threads under) or woven in the huckabuck pattern, which looks sort of like this: | |=====| |======| | ===| |======| |=== | |=====| |======| | So buy plain white linen tea towelling and you'll be using what they'd have used, had they decided to bother at all. (This info comes from Dorothy K. Burnham, _Keep Me Warm One Night_.) Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:35:52 -0600 From: kestrel@ticon.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: walnut dye ><< until >its as dark as you want. remove it from the dye rinse,then work it >like any other brain-tan until dry. >jeff..... another question...... do i have to use some kind of >mordant to set the dye after i get it to the right color.... if not, >will it leach, bleach or otherwise come back out of the leather.... >like all over my trade shirt, chemise, etc.???? >mary WELL......,I haven't had that problem yet. And I sweat like a pig! As for a mordant I've never used one with walnut hulls. If you want to use a mordant that will darken the dye to nearly black throw a handful of iron nails in a coffee can full of water and let soak until there is a nasty mess of rusty water then add it to your dye. I generally accept some leaching as a natural part of the experience along with some uneven dying (sort of like 60's tye dye). But I don't have the 18th century(my favorite period) european nit picking for perfection,I portray a Seneca warrior(semi-retired due to old age) who's major concern is that it looks good to me! Now quill-work and bead-work have to be pleasing to the eye and is an area for close scrutiny! (VBG) When I'm talking about the hulls I mean the green pulpy outer skin on the walnut,MAKE SURE TO WEAR RUBBER GLOVESwhen hulling walnuts, the first time I hulled about 3 bushels without them (I did this in late Oct.)I still had black to brown colored hands at Christmas! Jeff Powers,A mind like a steel trap:Rusty and illegal in 37 states! "They make no scruple to break wind publickly" Fr.Louis Hennepin 1698 Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Test Drive ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:23:19 EST From: Pulakabayo@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: claw question OK, I've pulled a half dozen claws out of the hide, now I'm not sure what I to do with them. I'd like to dry them and string them into a neckless, but I'd appreciate some advice on how to get the excess meat off them and how to preserve them to they will last a while. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:43:39 -0500 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re:history channel--the mountain man (long) Thanks for the memories. You are right. All we saw were the credits before the screen went. I do miss the old days of Crazy Bear and the CAt soldiers. And the sweats. Linda Barry Conner wrote: > Linda, > > That was a special showing at the Western Nationals at La Veta Colorado in > 1980, but all we saw were the credits, then the wind blew down the > make-shiff screen and ended the show. The best part of the whole evening was > Heston stepping up, held his hands to the sky and said "How soon they > forget", like he was in the "Ten Commandments". > > Have been in a half dozen Hollywood movies and as far as what they did in > the "Mountainmen" was average. "Black Robe" was a completely different > story, there are some directors that have a better grasp on what's happening > than others that may have been mislead. Overall things seem to keep > improving as more knowledgable folks get involved. > > As far as Heston goes he's an actor and prides himself in that, Keith was > the one we hung out with at night and he brought the booze, and told us all > the old war stories. The next day he couldn't remember his lines, and that > went on for the three and half weeks we were there. > > As far as the cash lady, think it was "Big Step" and "Crazy Bear" that got > blamed for that. > > Buck > __________________ > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Holley > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Date: Friday, March 26, 1999 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re:history channel--the mountain man (long) > > >I thought the world premier was at La Junta, Colorado???? 1980??? or was > that > >just a special showing for the Mountain men, and ladies, camped out at the > Western > >Rend.???? And we didn't have to pay. > >But then we never got to see it either. The wind came down and torn the > screen in > >half. Now there was something Heston could not stop. Then they moved the > movie > >down to the drive-in > >theater and bussed us "campers" into town to see the thing. BTW...the town > mayor > >is still looking for the cashier. Seems she ran off with some wily > buckskinners. > >And then there was something about damaging the speakers by counting coup > on the > >things???? Were any of you guys on the bus??? > > > >Linda Holley > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:19:20 -0700 From: "Barry Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade Goods OT Heck think about me as a trader, trying to hawk edibles at that event, old friend it was an experience. Buck - -----Original Message----- From: Ratcliff To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Saturday, March 27, 1999 6:42 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade Goods Buck, there are people trying to eat breakfast now. The thought of me in a clout will doubtless cause many of them to set down their Cheerios and go lay down for a spell...... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:52:09 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Pickert Subject: MtMan-List: claws I use a lot of different claws in my craft work and I like to soak them in (tanol) aluminum solfate. for a day or two> do not soak them too long as the will come apart. this is available at most tanning and taxidermy supply houses. good luck Walks in the Night _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:47:47 -0800 From: Carpenters Subject: Re: MtMan-List: claw question Pulakabayo@aol.com wrote: > > OK, I've pulled a half dozen claws out of the hide, now I'm not sure what I to > do with them. > > I'd like to dry them and string them into a neckless, but I'd appreciate some > advice on how to get the excess meat off them and how to preserve them to they > will last a while. The way I get all the flesh off a scull, is to bury it about four inches under ground and let the worms and whatever else eat it off. It has to be good active soil, i.e., not sand or rocky dirt. I'll bet this will work with claws also. It takes a couple months. Carp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:55:07 -0600 (CST) From: "Susan Gilbert" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dye list address correction Oopps! Sorry. The address for the Natural Dye List is http://www47.pair.com/lindo/dyelist.htm I got one dot too many in there, very sorry. Old Hands Sue Gilbert sgilbert@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 01:04:02 EST From: EmmaPeel2@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re:history channel--the mountain man --The last word? From a Hollywood Producer Friend: The truth is almost NONE of the History Channel (or their parent, A&E Biographies) are worth a damn content-wise. Almost no money goes into research. However they DO pay the talking heads. Actually it's the talking head interviews that serve as the primary research. The narration is merely a device to string together the soundbites and photos, and usually paraphrases something the talking head just said or will say again shortly. Ken Burns does an admirable job of research. However with his grossly inflated budgets, he ought to be able to raise Lincoln from the dead and get an exclusive interview. However his visual style is repetetive and I wish he'd find some new ways to fill the screen besides yet another babbling brook at sunset! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 06:59:37 -0800 From: "john c. funk,jr" Subject: MtMan-List: On horse "wild" horse training. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE78E8.8AF1C9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello the camp, Since the mode of travel, in those better days, was done mostly on horse = back and there seems to be little information regarding the capturing, = gentling and training of wild horses, I am wondering if anyone on the = list has had experience in training a wild horse; more specifically one = of the BLM wild mustang breeds. I've got a bee in my bonnet and want to = take the "bit", as it were, and "run with it." There can't be too many = ways left to replicate the horse culture of the plains as it related to = the mountain men and this is something I'm seriously considering. So, if any of you'll have trained one of these wild critters I'd sure = like to pick your brain(s). Yr Mst Humbl....... John Funk - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE78E8.8AF1C9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello the camp,
 
Since the mode of travel, in those = better days,=20 was done mostly on horse back and there seems to be little information = regarding=20 the capturing, gentling and training of wild horses, I am wondering if = anyone on=20 the list has had experience in training a wild horse; more specifically = one of=20 the BLM wild mustang breeds.  I've got a bee in my bonnet and want = to take=20 the "bit", as it were, and "run with it."  = There can't=20 be too many ways left to replicate the horse culture of the plains as it = related=20 to the mountain men and this is something I'm seriously=20 considering.
 
So, if any of you'll have trained = one of these=20 wild critters I'd sure like to pick your brain(s).
 
Yr Mst Humbl.......
 
John Funk
- ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE78E8.8AF1C9C0-- ------------------------------ Date: 28 Mar 1999 08:21:45 -0800 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On horse "wild" horse training. Brother, My wife got a bright idea about 20 years ago to pickup one of these animals (wild mustang), we already had 8 good horses at the time. Anyway we go get him with the stock trailer ("open slots in side so our new boy can see out and this will make loading a little easier"), brother is that the dumbest statement my wife ever made. This was an animal about 14 1/2 hands in height, maybe 750 lbs. and "dune" colored, like the horse in the "Range Rider" series. Anyway the vet says after his exam he pretty old according to his teeth and will need to be cut - that's fine. We go to load the little bastard (no other word to describe him than that), the fight goes on for 3/4 of an hour with the usual methods, finally 3 of us just pick the little guy up and throw his butt in the trailer, funny when everyone is mad how strong you get. Now we should have seen what the game plan was going to be !!! We get him home and call the college at CSU to have a vet and the students come out for the grand cutting. Turns out after closer inspection, he's younger than first thought, his teeth are wore down from eating off poor range and the sand wore his teeth, like the Asian folks eating rice with fine sand - poor teeth. After being broke which was a chore and some good schooling, "Nugget" turned out to be the hardest working of all the horses, couldn't wear him down, even took him to a friend for the winter months to be worked in the stock yards with some pretty rank steers, he just never quit. Plus being a character, had a real funny personality, could do little pranks that made you mad at the time but later made you laugh. Best damn horse we ever had (of the 30 plus in 15 years), even with some hard fights at first. Have talked to several people that have gotten these little "wild mustangs", seems we all have like stories with them, and would take another one in a heart beat. Good luck and just take your time, he'll come around. Buck Conner _________________________ I am wondering if anyone on the list has had experience in training a wild horse; more specifically one of the BLM wild mustang breeds. I've got a bee in my bonnet and want to take the "bit", as it were, and "run with it." There can't be too many ways left to replicate the horse culture of the plains as it related to the mountain men and this is something I'm seriously Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: 28 Mar 1999 08:21:45 -0800 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On horse "wild" horse training. Brother, My wife got a bright idea about 20 years ago to pickup one of these animals (wild mustang), we already had 8 good horses at the time. Anyway we go get him with the stock trailer ("open slots in side so our new boy can see out and this will make loading a little easier"), brother is that the dumbest statement my wife ever made. This was an animal about 14 1/2 hands in height, maybe 750 lbs. and "dune" colored, like the horse in the "Range Rider" series. Anyway the vet says after his exam he pretty old according to his teeth and will need to be cut - that's fine. We go to load the little bastard (no other word to describe him than that), the fight goes on for 3/4 of an hour with the usual methods, finally 3 of us just pick the little guy up and throw his butt in the trailer, funny when everyone is mad how strong you get. Now we should have seen what the game plan was going to be !!! We get him home and call the college at CSU to have a vet and the students come out for the grand cutting. Turns out after closer inspection, he's younger than first thought, his teeth are wore down from eating off poor range and the sand wore his teeth, like the Asian folks eating rice with fine sand - poor teeth. After being broke which was a chore and some good schooling, "Nugget" turned out to be the hardest working of all the horses, couldn't wear him down, even took him to a friend for the winter months to be worked in the stock yards with some pretty rank steers, he just never quit. Plus being a character, had a real funny personality, could do little pranks that made you mad at the time but later made you laugh. Best damn horse we ever had (of the 30 plus in 15 years), even with some hard fights at first. Have talked to several people that have gotten these little "wild mustangs", seems we all have like stories with them, and would take another one in a heart beat. Good luck and just take your time, he'll come around. Buck Conner _________________________ I am wondering if anyone on the list has had experience in training a wild horse; more specifically one of the BLM wild mustang breeds. I've got a bee in my bonnet and want to take the "bit", as it were, and "run with it." There can't be too many ways left to replicate the horse culture of the plains as it related to the mountain men and this is something I'm seriously Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: 28 Mar 1999 09:09:01 -0800 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re:history channel--the mountain man (long) Linda, Think Buck and myself talked to you at this movie and again at La Veta, what Buck said brought back some good memories. Brian Keith, Big Step & Crazy Bear were at our camp in Hoback Junction just about every night, what a group, sad that Brian and John have gone to the other side now. I missed the American Sportsman Shoot for the "John Wayne Memorial" at Jackson Hole, Buck was the Range Officer, Keith and Heston showed up for the egg shoot, Keith shot in the ground then eat his egg, Heston tried to lay down over a log. Buck turned around and headed over there with the TV camera's following, he told Heston to stand up and shoot like a man. Hear Heston didn't care for that remark, but stood up and shot and missed his egg. Then started to walk away, but Buck went and got the egg and took it to him, TV camera's got it all. Heston ate his egg, looked a little quezzy after. Powderhawk _____________________ On Sat, 27 March 1999, Linda Holley wrote: > > Thanks for the memories. You are right. All we saw were the credits before > the screen went. I do miss the old days of Crazy Bear and the CAt soldiers. > And the sweats. > > Linda Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: 28 Mar 1999 09:20:53 -0800 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade Goods Check out Clark & Sons Mercantile, Goose Bay Workshops is now starting to handle some stuff also, both are on Dean's AMM list for URL's. Powderhawk On Fri, 26 March 1999, "Austin, Tim" wrote: > > Loaf sugar: Good explanation has been given for this type sugar........ > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: 28 Mar 1999 09:20:53 -0800 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade Goods Check out Clark & Sons Mercantile, Goose Bay Workshops is now starting to handle some stuff also, both are on Dean's AMM list for URL's. Powderhawk On Fri, 26 March 1999, "Austin, Tim" wrote: > > Loaf sugar: Good explanation has been given for this type sugar........ > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 10:52:39 -0700 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On horse "wild" horse training. John, The honor farm in Riverton Wyo breaks and trains wild horses. They had 85 of them and only 23 were broke to ride. I believe it is a waste of time when so many good horses are around. They are not that close to the spanish barbs. Many mtn men and buffalo hunters perfered the larger eastern bred horse to the Indian ponies. I can find the source for this if you want. Joe Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Write for custom tanning prices We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and hair on robes Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:41:34 -0500 From: "sean" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On horse "wild" horse training. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE7920.B2986A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My neighbor has such a horse, and he is GREAT!!! His names is Ash... He = is Dunn color mostly, and the rest of him looks like he has been rolling = in an ash pile... He had to be taught what apples were... loved carrots = but would spit out apples. He plays with our 2 dogs who think he is = nothing more than a big "dog"... They haven't figured out yet why he = whinnies instead of barks, but hey... the world is full of mysteries. The lady who has him tamed him the "Indian way"... For 3 days she left = him in the corral... no food or water... then on the third day, brought = him cold spring water and grain and hay, then talked soothingly to him = and stroked his neck while he ate. She has done that every day since. = She proably saddle broke him via the way we do today... not sure. He is = a kind and gentle horse, and FULL of love for everyone. He keeps = trying, no matter what the task you give him, and doesn't know the = meaning of tired, I don't think. He sees us by our pool and will = whinney until we go bring him some carrots or apples... Then just = nuzzles us and rubs against us like a cat... *LOL*... almost knocked = Mouse down... She is 5'2", 120#... Ash is about 15 hands and near 1000#. I have just over an acre that hasn't been cleared (house sits on 3 = acres) and I am contemplating doing the same thing next year possibly. = Being in South Florida, you don't have to wory about the cold, so a = nice, open pole barn will work great for the horse. I wrote via the web = to BLM(?) regarding their wild horse program, etc... and got a great = brochure about the horses, what kind of accomodations were required for = them (they even inspect your place), what my responsibilities were, = etc... Addison Miller aka SeanBear - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE7920.B2986A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My neighbor has such a horse, and he = is=20 GREAT!!!  His names is Ash... He is Dunn color mostly, and the rest = of him=20 looks like he has been rolling in an ash pile...  He had to be = taught what=20 apples were... loved carrots but would spit out apples.  He plays = with our=20 2 dogs who think he is nothing more than a big "dog"... They = haven't=20 figured out yet why he whinnies instead of barks, but hey... the world = is full=20 of mysteries.
 
The lady who has him tamed him the "Indian = way"...=20 For 3 days she left him in the corral... no food or water... then on the = third=20 day, brought him cold spring water and grain and hay, then talked = soothingly to=20 him and stroked his neck while he ate.  She has done that every day = since.  She proably saddle broke him via the way we do today... not = sure.  He is a kind and gentle horse, and FULL of love for = everyone. =20 He keeps trying, no matter what the task you give him, and doesn't know = the=20 meaning of tired, I don't think.  He sees us by our pool and will = whinney=20 until we go bring him some carrots or apples... Then just nuzzles us and = rubs=20 against us like a cat... *LOL*... almost knocked Mouse down... She is = 5'2",=20 120#... Ash is about 15 hands and near 1000#.
 
I have just over an acre that hasn't been cleared = (house sits=20 on 3 acres) and I am contemplating doing the same thing next year=20 possibly.  Being in South Florida, you don't have to wory about the = cold,=20 so a nice, open pole barn will work great for the horse. I wrote via the = web to=20 BLM(?) regarding their wild horse program, etc... and got a great = brochure about=20 the horses, what kind of accomodations were required for them (they even = inspect=20 your place), what my responsibilities were, etc...
 
Addison Miller
aka SeanBear
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE7920.B2986A00-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:45:05 -0500 From: "sean" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On horse "wild" horse training. > I believe it is a waste of time when so many good horses are around....< Sorry to disagree, but as long as you are keeping them from going to a dog food plant, or from being otherwise destroyed, it's not a waste of time, IMHO... No, I am not one of those animal rights nuts... love hunting, etc... I just have to see good animals destroyed when they can be made "useful" and others can enjoy them... Addison Miller ------------------------------ Date: 28 Mar 1999 12:01:18 -0800 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On horse "wild" horse training. Brothers, I helped break and work with the horse Buck referred to, he turned out to be a strong little man, but the amount of effort to get him there was qusetionable to me. Like others have said, there's many good broke animals needing a home that are better than some of the wild ones. You may want to give this some thought before jumping into something more than wanting to deal with for a long period. Bones take a long time healing, ask Buck, he left that part out. Later Powderhawk ____________________________ On Sun, 28 March 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote: > After being broke which was a chore and some good schooling, "Nugget" turned out to be the hardest working of all the horses, couldn't wear him down, even took him to a friend for the winter months to be worked in the stock yards with some pretty rank steers, he just never quit. Plus being a character, had a real funny personality........... > > Buck Conner > _________________________ > I am wondering if anyone on the list has had experience in training a wild horse; more specifically one of the BLM wild mustang breeds. I've got a bee in my bonnet and want to take the "bit", as it were, and "run with it." There can't be too many ways left to replicate the horse culture of the plains as it related to the mountain men and this is something I'm seriously........... > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: 28 Mar 1999 12:01:18 -0800 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On horse "wild" horse training. Brothers, I helped break and work with the horse Buck referred to, he turned out to be a strong little man, but the amount of effort to get him there was qusetionable to me. Like others have said, there's many good broke animals needing a home that are better than some of the wild ones. You may want to give this some thought before jumping into something more than wanting to deal with for a long period. Bones take a long time healing, ask Buck, he left that part out. Later Powderhawk ____________________________ On Sun, 28 March 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote: > After being broke which was a chore and some good schooling, "Nugget" turned out to be the hardest working of all the horses, couldn't wear him down, even took him to a friend for the winter months to be worked in the stock yards with some pretty rank steers, he just never quit. Plus being a character, had a real funny personality........... > > Buck Conner > _________________________ > I am wondering if anyone on the list has had experience in training a wild horse; more specifically one of the BLM wild mustang breeds. I've got a bee in my bonnet and want to take the "bit", as it were, and "run with it." There can't be too many ways left to replicate the horse culture of the plains as it related to the mountain men and this is something I'm seriously........... > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: 28 Mar 1999 12:01:18 -0800 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On horse "wild" horse training. Brothers, I helped break and work with the horse Buck referred to, he turned out to be a strong little man, but the amount of effort to get him there was qusetionable to me. Like others have said, there's many good broke animals needing a home that are better than some of the wild ones. You may want to give this some thought before jumping into something more than wanting to deal with for a long period. Bones take a long time healing, ask Buck, he left that part out. Later Powderhawk ____________________________ On Sun, 28 March 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote: > After being broke which was a chore and some good schooling, "Nugget" turned out to be the hardest working of all the horses, couldn't wear him down, even took him to a friend for the winter months to be worked in the stock yards with some pretty rank steers, he just never quit. Plus being a character, had a real funny personality........... > > Buck Conner > _________________________ > I am wondering if anyone on the list has had experience in training a wild horse; more specifically one of the BLM wild mustang breeds. I've got a bee in my bonnet and want to take the "bit", as it were, and "run with it." There can't be too many ways left to replicate the horse culture of the plains as it related to the mountain men and this is something I'm seriously........... > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 15:58:41 +0000 From: Laura Rugel Glise Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade Goods Lanney Roux in a clout? Doesn't scare me. Maybe you menfolk ought not to go on and on and ON about things of which you have no experience. A woman ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 19:25:20 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: MtMan-List: On horse "wild" horse training. >>>Hello the camp, Since the mode of travel, in those better days, was done mostly on horse back and there seems to be little information regarding the capturing, gentling and training of wild horses, I am wondering if anyone on the list has had experience in training a wild horse; more specifically one of the BLM wild mustang breeds. I've got a bee in my bonnet and want to take the "bit", as it were, and "run with it." There can't be too many ways left to replicate the horse culture of the plains as it related to the mountain men and this is something I'm seriously considering. So, if any of you'll have trained one of these wild critters I'd sure like to pick your brain(s). Yr Mst Humbl....... John Funk<<< This reminds me of a time several years back I was driving to work,( I am in the logging business and this particular job was a ways back in the bush, on federal land, not near any habitations of any kind) anyway it was a November morning with about 2" of fresh snowcover and I was the first one in, and I came across the strangest set of tracks I have ever seen , so I pulled my truck over and followed it into the woods a ways to see what it was. They where moose sized and it looled like it was dragging something which partially obliterated the tracks and made them hard to read. Really had me scratchin my head there for a while. Well, to make a long story short, one of the locals who lived a dozen or so miles off had decided he needed to get a couple mustangs, which he did, then brought em' home and put em' in his pasture figuring his regular fence would be adequate, except he left a lead on them to make them easier to catch, boy was that a bad idea since they where gone in no time. I know he caught one several months later, don't know if he ever got the other one. I would spot one occasionally on my way in and out of work, couldn't get close to it though, it was really nervous. If your familiar with breaking horses and have worked with horses in general than a mustang isn't an impossible thing to get working for you. Your just trying to teach an old dog new tricks, except this dog can do worse than bite you if it has a mind to. the last book I read on the subject was by Monty Roberts called "The Man Who Listens to Horses" I think that is the title. The movie "The Horse Whisperer" was based on this guys life. Really enjoyed this book. He breaks a mustang IN THE WILD without ever having restrained the horse whatsoever. Read the book and you'll find out how. From the northwoods, Tony Clark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 19:29:19 -0800 From: "john c. funk,jr" Subject: MtMan-List: Horse training (and such) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE7951.463D7FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gang, My most grateful thanks to those who responded to my quire regarding = their "horse training" experiences. I know this may be a bit off the = historical link but it's all in an effort in helping this follower of = the fur trade finding his niche therein. Tony: BLM (in Calif.) now wants a minimum of 400 sq. ft. pin and = strongly recommends that the new adoptees not be let out to pasture till = thoroughly "trained." Sounds like sound advise even it they hadn't = suggested it. I have followed Monty Roberts for several years and = thoroughly subscribe to his training methods. His, I think, methods = have similarities to the old Native American ways. Gentile = training....not beating into submission. "Beating" may be too harsh, = but I think you know what I mean. Powderhawk: I wholeheartedly agree that a good home with good and = loving care is far better than a bitter and sparse existence on the open = range. I kind of look at it this way; he's giving up his freedom ....to = give me mine. Sean: I too have read of the "Indian" way of breaking and = training.....several days alone ..then water, food, gentile coaxing and = familiarization with human contact. The principals are sound and hold = much validity. I would be happy to keep in contact with you to let you know how it goes = with my "critter." And, would be greatly interested how you do. Be = happy to exchange information.....and any help. I'll take all I can = get!!! Joe: I think that things that are "a waste of time" can be considered = ....relative by nature. What is a waste of time for one can be an = extremely rewarding thing to another. No offense intended, just my = observation and I respect yours. Buck: Nugget sounded like a heck of a horse and no doubt held in great = pride by "his owner." I had the opportunity to watch a gal work with = one of these horses yesterday and within TWO hours this wild animal that = was only 90 +/- days off the range allowed her top place her hands = anywhere. She even brought in a white plastic tied to a 5 ft. fishing = rod and slowly moved it about the 20 ft. ring. The horse watched it = intently never taking his eyes off it. He'd shiver, move back yet all = the while wanting to move closer to inspect it; smell it. Was it = dangerous? Would it hurt him? He truly wanted to know. His front feet = moved backward while his rear wanted to move foreword to complete the = investigation.. A true picture of "flight or fight." Well, I've rambled on enough. Guess you can tell I'm hooked and will = very likely move on with this adventure. I tend to look at it this way. = I'm at a point in life where I've decided I not going to my grave = wishing I'd done something that I could have done if I had = only..................... If anyone would like updates on my progress I'd be happy to keep you = posted. And, any other input will be gratefully accepted. Yr Mst Humbl........ John Funk - ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE7951.463D7FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gang,
 
My most grateful thanks to those who = responded=20 to my quire regarding their "horse training" = experiences.  I know=20 this may be a bit off the historical link but it's all in an effort in = helping=20 this follower of the fur trade finding his niche therein.
Tony: BLM (in Calif.) now wants a = minimum of 400=20 sq. ft. pin and strongly recommends that the new adoptees not be let out = to=20 pasture till thoroughly "trained."  Sounds like sound = advise even=20 it they hadn't suggested it.  I have followed Monty Roberts for = several=20 years and thoroughly subscribe to his training methods.  His, I = think,=20 methods have similarities to the old Native American ways.  Gentile = training....not beating into submission.  "Beating" may = be too=20 harsh, but I think you know what I mean.
Powderhawk:  I wholeheartedly agree that a good = home with=20 good  and loving care is far better than a bitter and sparse = existence on=20 the open range.  I kind of look at it this way; he's giving up his = freedom=20 ....to give me mine.
Sean:  I too have read of the = "Indian" way of=20 breaking and training.....several days alone ..then water, food, gentile = coaxing=20 and familiarization with human contact.  The principals are sound = and hold=20 much validity.
I would be happy to keep in contact with you to let = you know=20 how it goes with my "critter."  And,  would be = greatly=20 interested how you do.  Be happy to exchange information.....and = any=20 help.  I'll take all I can get!!!
Joe:  I think that things that are "a = waste of=20 time" can be considered ....relative by nature.  What is a = waste of=20 time for one can be an extremely rewarding thing to another.  No = offense=20 intended, just my observation and I respect yours.
Buck:  Nugget sounded like a heck of a horse = and no doubt=20 held in great pride by "his owner."  I had the = opportunity to=20 watch a gal work with one of these horses yesterday and within TWO hours = this=20 wild animal that was only 90 +/- days off the range allowed her top = place her=20 hands anywhere.  She even brought in a white plastic tied = to a 5=20 ft. fishing rod and slowly moved it about the 20 ft. ring.  The = horse=20 watched it intently never taking his eyes off it.  He'd shiver, = move back=20 yet all the while wanting to move closer to inspect it; smell it.  = Was it=20 dangerous?  Would it hurt him?  He truly wanted to know.  = His=20 front feet moved backward while his rear wanted to move foreword to = complete the=20 investigation.. A true picture of "flight or = fight."
 
Well, I've rambled on enough.  Guess you can = tell I'm=20 hooked and will very likely move on with this adventure.  I tend to = look at=20 it this way.  I'm at a point in life where I've decided I not going = to my=20 grave wishing I'd done something that I could have done if I had=20 only.....................
 
If anyone would like updates on my progress I'd be = happy to=20 keep you posted.  And, any other input will be gratefully=20 accepted.
 
Yr Mst=20 Humbl........
John Funk
- ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE7951.463D7FE0-- ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #271 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.