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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:20:38 -0400
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: MtMan-List: Rememberin' Day.(off topic)

This isn't Fur trade by any means, but, we shuld remember..
D




Well,

 All ye Hielanders and the true of heart should pause this day and remember,
but for a minute of the Gallant Lads slaughtered on the fields of Culloden
this dreary day some 253 years past.. And if ye ha' a moment, stop and raise
a fine drap of gud Scots whiskey to their memory... And don't forget the wee
Claan and Lasses that were murdered for sport, during and after the battle
and the helpless prisoners burnt and hacked to death as well, by the
murderous bastards. And know that somewhere in the fiery bowels of eternal
Hell, they they are paying for their butchery on tha' day. Is it any wonder
that no unit sports a "Culloden" battle honor to this day....

Dennis Miles
Hiv 1622

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Date: 16 Apr 1999 06:27:32 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rememberin' Day.(off topic)

Good Morning Kid,
Are we looking at swords and long bows too.
Buck


>  All ye Hielanders and the true of heart should pause this day and remember,
> but for a minute of the Gallant Lads slaughtered on the fields of Culloden
> this dreary day some 253 years past.. And if ye ha' a moment, stop and raise
> a fine drap of gud Scots whiskey to their memory... And don't forget the wee
> Claan and Lasses that were murdered for sport, during and after the battle
> and the helpless prisoners burnt and hacked to death as well, by the
> murderous bastards. And know that somewhere in the fiery bowels of eternal
> Hell, they they are paying for their butchery on tha' day. Is it any wonder
> that no unit sports a "Culloden" battle honor to this day....
> 
> Dennis Miles
> Hiv 1622
> 
>    "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>           DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>   Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>     http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1


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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:29:42 -0400
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rememberin' Day.(off topic)

Buck,

  I ha' both...<G> And enjoy them immensley!! The long bow is a shooter...

D

P.S. Did you get my message of yesterday?

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Date: 16 Apr 1999 06:55:28 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:air guns

Hawk,
   I talked to a gentleman at Beeman Prec. Air Rifles, they have some Italian and German Air Rifles that date in the 1770-1870 range. He said there was a German air rifle in pieces at Smithsonian that had a 1768 date, one of a kind, and probably not produced in any large numbers.
   I have kicked myself for years over an 1850's air rifle that Muley Carr had at the Colorado Antique Gun Collectors Show back in the 70's. Looked like a fine sporting rifle, precussion half stock, with a brass 4-5 inch ball in front of the trigger guard that was the air chamber. It was in NRA Good condition, and best part it was a 38 cal.   Muley wanted cash, $2500 and wouldn't take a trade, before I could sell what I had at the show, he sold the air rifle.
   Would still like to have one, or if could figure out a system with parts and have one built. Any ideas on this.

Buck
_________________________________
> On 14 Apr 1999 18:42:14 -0700 <buck.conner@uswestmail.net> writes:
> >Yes, Lewis & Clark had an air rifle with them that wowed the local 
> >Native Americans.
> >
> >Air guns were around long before this period, and I remember reading 
> >some of the best ones came from Germany,
> 
> air guns have been around since the late 1700 and were invented in
> germany if my memory serves me well.  cant find my book on them so will
> have to quote info from memory---  looked thru some of my books but didnt
> find what i wanted---louis and clark took a air gun on their trip and to
> a pump up this airgun ---  it wad pumped up with a lever and the butt
> stock was the air chamber---if you go to smithsonian there is one of the
> same models as louis and clark took with them if i am not wrong it is
> dated 1780  or around that time period---it was by a german maker and
> shot lead bb's size shot but they made them that went up to about 60 gage
> or around 30 something caliber if i am not mistaken-.
> 
> american rifleman did a article on the airguns and dated them and all
> several years ago---so if you do some digging you will find out about
> them the one that they discuss is the one in smithsonian.  I believe the
> davis museum in clarimore okla had one also that is very early but later
> than the louis and clark gun---very interesting piece and made later than
> the one in smithsonian---
> 
> best date i can put on them off my head is about 1780.  plus or minus 10
> years. all the early air guns were made in germany and i know of only 2
> makers and if i remember correctly they lived quite close to each other
> in their villages so it leads me to thank that they probly were either
> kin to each other or had a friendly match going with each other---they
> were highly accurate up to about 50 yds most were smooth bore and the
> shot or ball dia was almost bore dia and was drop shot ---I usto own a
> gameing rifle that shot bb's but it was powered by a precussion cap---I
> would patch the lead bb's with paper towels and could shoot half way thru
> a 1" pine board across the living roon---got into a lot of trouble with
> it with the better half---it was stolen when i got broken into---it was
> made by the german maker with the same name as the air rifles in
> smithsonian---I thank they made a lot of these type of guns---called them
> saloon guns for the guys in the bars to use to test their marksmanship
> skills---
> 
> bout all I can remember --best advice is go to the nra and look thru
> their back issues and you will find the smithsonian gun which is the same
> as the louis and clark gun---
> 
> 
> "HAWK"
> Michael pierce
> 854 Glenfield Dr.
> Palm Harbor Florida  34684
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> 
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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:04:42 PDT
From: "Bill Jackson" <billjackson@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rememberin' Day.(off topic)

Aye, drinking a good Scottish drink to honor our fallen.
MadJack


>From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
>Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>Subject: MtMan-List: Rememberin' Day.(off topic)
>Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:20:38 -0400
>
>This isn't Fur trade by any means, but, we shuld remember..
>D
>
>
>
>
>Well,
>
> All ye Hielanders and the true of heart should pause this day and 
remember,
>but for a minute of the Gallant Lads slaughtered on the fields of 
Culloden
>this dreary day some 253 years past.. And if ye ha' a moment, stop 
and raise
>a fine drap of gud Scots whiskey to their memory... And don't forget 
the wee
>Claan and Lasses that were murdered for sport, during and after the 
battle
>and the helpless prisoners burnt and hacked to death as well, by the
>murderous bastards. And know that somewhere in the fiery bowels of 
eternal
>Hell, they they are paying for their butchery on tha' day. Is it any 
wonder
>that no unit sports a "Culloden" battle honor to this day....
>
>Dennis Miles
>Hiv 1622
>
>   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>
>


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Date: 16 Apr 99 16:31:12 -0600
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: First Rendezvous

         Reply to:   RE: MtMan-List: First Rendezvous
Apple Pie - 1 gallon apple cider, 1 quart of Vodka or Everclear and
cinnomon oil to taste.

DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants

Brian McNutt wrote:
>Hello the list!
>Just wanted to drop a short note on my first rendezvous at Comanche
Peak.
>That was the best time I've had in ages, and met nothing but good
people. I
>want to thank Lodgepole, Shirt, and 5 Squaws for showing me the ropes.
>I am horrible with names, but I did meet a lister from Midland who is a
>trekker, and would like to get in touch with him.
>BTW, does anyone have a good recipe for "apple pie"????
>
>Brian
>
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Date: 16 Apr 99 16:31:16 -0600
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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:06:16 -0600
From: "Bob Lienemann" <buffbob@gateway.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List:air guns

i've seen one air rifle, also referred to in translation from the original
German as a "wind gun", in the inventory of both the Christian's Spring
(pennsylvania) and Salem (n carolina) shops of the Moravian communities'
locksmiths and gunstockmakers.  from the 1770's and 1780's.  not much more
detail, but the church fathers at salem were concerned about the mischief
that was caused with the wind gun - evidently quiet mischief.  there's two
in this country, in scattered locations, early.  i think they were earlier
and more common that understood.

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On 14 Apr 1999 18:42:14 -0700 <buck.conner@uswestmail.net> writes:
>Yes, Lewis & Clark had an air rifle with them that wowed the local
>Native Americans.
>
>Air guns were around long before this period, and I remember reading
>some of the best ones came from Germany,

air guns have been around since the late 1700 and were invented in
germany if my memory serves me well.  cant find my book on them so will
have to quote info from memory---  looked thru some of my books but didnt
find what i wanted---louis and clark took a air gun on their trip and to
a pump up this airgun ---  it wad pumped up with a lever and the butt
stock was the air chamber---if you go to smithsonian there is one of the
same models as louis and clark took with them if i am not wrong it is
dated 1780  or around that time period---it was by a german maker and
shot lead bb's size shot but they made them that went up to about 60 gage
or around 30 something caliber if i am not mistaken-.

american rifleman did a article on the airguns and dated them and all
several years ago---so if you do some digging you will find out about
them the one that they discuss is the one in smithsonian.  I believe the
davis museum in clarimore okla had one also that is very early but later
than the louis and clark gun---very interesting piece and made later than
the one in smithsonian---

best date i can put on them off my head is about 1780.  plus or minus 10
years. all the early air guns were made in germany and i know of only 2
makers and if i remember correctly they lived quite close to each other
in their villages so it leads me to thank that they probly were either
kin to each other or had a friendly match going with each other---they
were highly accurate up to about 50 yds most were smooth bore and the
shot or ball dia was almost bore dia and was drop shot ---I usto own a
gameing rifle that shot bb's but it was powered by a precussion cap---I
would patch the lead bb's with paper towels and could shoot half way thru
a 1" pine board across the living roon---got into a lot of trouble with
it with the better half---it was stolen when i got broken into---it was
made by the german maker with the same name as the air rifles in
smithsonian---I thank they made a lot of these type of guns---called them
saloon guns for the guys in the bars to use to test their marksmanship
skills---

bout all I can remember --best advice is go to the nra and look thru
their back issues and you will find the smithsonian gun which is the same
as the louis and clark gun---


"HAWK"
Michael pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor Florida  34684
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:30:57 GMT
From: rparker7@ix.netcom.com (Roy Parker)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: First Rendezvous

On Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:20:24 -0500, you wrote:

>Hello the list!
>Just wanted to drop a short note on my first rendezvous at Comanche =
Peak.
>That was the best time I've had in ages, and met nothing but good =
people. I
>want to thank Lodgepole, Shirt, and 5 Squaws for showing me the ropes.
>I am horrible with names, but I did meet a lister from Midland who is a
>trekker, and would like to get in touch with him.
>BTW, does anyone have a good recipe for "apple pie"????
>
>Brian
>
>"Muzzle Loaders Have a Lot of Balls"
>
>
>
>
Apple Pie:

1 Apple
4 Quarts Tequila
Mix well.
Roy Parker, Buckskinner, Brewer, Blacksmith, Woodworker, and Collector.  =
My job gets in the way of my hobbies.
=20

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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:48:07 +0000
From: Laura Rugel Glise <lglise@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: First Rendezvous

Mr. Parker:

I don't believe we have been properly introduced, but let me say your
recipe for apple pie sparked my imagination.  One apple and copious
amounts of tequilla.

My compliments, Sir.  I believe you win the prize.  

Impressed in Atlanta

Laura Jean

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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:46:05 -0600 
From: "john c. funk,jr" <j2hearts@shasta.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:17:50 -0700

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OK, list........

Here's a question for the ironmongers and the horse riders amoung'st ya. =
 I need a source for either wrought iron (forged, I suspect) clips or =
fasteners which might have been used on halter ropes .....and...which =
clipped to halters.  Obviously, the current brass and chrome designs =
were not in use 196 years ago, but what was....or was anything.  I have =
been reminded that Millers paintings show loops (apparently) tied around =
horses necks but I have to believe some sort of clip was/might have been =
used....
Any thoughts from the "brumby" crowd?

John Funk

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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:01:48 -0700
From: Barbara Smith <barbsmth@portland.quik.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Apple Pie Recipe

Klahowya Tillicum,

This recipe came to me from Barefoot Woman, Crazy George Passon's wife
(bourgeois of the Department of the Columbia party):

1 gallon Apple Cider
1 Cup Brown Sugar
1 Cup Honey
5 Cinnamon Sticks
7 Whole Cloves
Juice of 1/2 lemon

Simmer all for 45 minutes.  Will reduce slightly.

Strain out spices.

Let cool to room temperature.

Add 1 fifth Everclear.

The longer it sets, the smoother it gets.  Don't never go bad.

Now, I've done this with high-proof rum and vodka, when Everclear not
available.  Also real good.  And I've done it with cherry, pear, and
peach juice, as well.  I don't recommend the cherry, tasted like cough
syrup to me, but it went over real well at camp.  I like to add Allspice
to mine, since I'm partial to it.

Good luck and have fun!  :-)

YMDS,
- -Tassee

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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 23:16:20 -0400
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: First Rendezvous

An APPLE??!! WOW! I KNEW I was forgetting something.. That oughta mellow it
down some.... Thanks!
D

   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
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From: Laura Rugel Glise <lglise@bellsouth.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Friday, April 16, 1999 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: First Rendezvous


>Mr. Parker:
>
>I don't believe we have been properly introduced, but let me say your
>recipe for apple pie sparked my imagination.  One apple and copious
>amounts of tequilla.
>
>My compliments, Sir.  I believe you win the prize.
>
>Impressed in Atlanta
>
>Laura Jean
>
>

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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:04:39 +0000
From: Joseph Miller <niteowl@pageplus.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Halters

Hi List,
John Funk asked about snaps for halters on horses.
When growing up on the ranch and farm in Colorado, we never used
halters.
I was taught by elders to make a hack-a-more(halter like if you will)
with an ordinary lariat when fetching mine or other horses.
You toss the loop end of your lariat over horse's head then make like a
half hitch with trailing end of rope around horse's muzzle(nose/mouth).
Then you start leading or riding the horse.

Sincerely,
Joseph Miller
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 03:55:25 -0700
From: "JON P TOWNS" <AMM944@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:04:59 -0500

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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 09:05:39 EDT
From: hawknest4@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Apple Pie Recipe

My you folks cook up some fine apple pie---and its a real eye opener or
group tightner as required or deemed necessary by a act of god or
commission of the courts judges and pilgrem, sasquach, or everday
mountain man.---makes my tast buds come to life thats for sure---
 
"HAWK"
Michael pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor Florida  34684
E-mail:   Hawknest4@Juno.com    Phone: 1-727-771-1815

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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 09:40:54 EDT
From: CTOAKES@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:17:50 -0700

In a message dated 4/16/99 9:47:01 PM EST, John C. Funk Jr.  writes:

<<  I need a source for either wrought iron (forged, I suspect) clips or 
fasteners which might have been used on halter ropes .....and...which clipped 
to halters. >>

You can get period looking hardware a many leather or tack shops.  Brass 
hardware was used then just as it is today as it did not rust when exposed to 
weather and the salt in horse sweat.  

A trip to the library should get you many books on the history/techniques of 
riding with illustrations of harnesses and bits that will show you extremely 
fine leather and metal work.  Granted the more military/english the riding 
style the more refined the hardware and the more likely to use brass buckles. 
 The more western your personna the more you would lean to hackamores and a 
leather halters.  

But I have seen at the Royal Muse (stables) in London  and the Smithsonian in 
D.C. military saddles and harnesses from the 1700,s that look just like my 20 
year old riding/jumping saddle and bridle, complete down to the hardware.

I often use one of my strup leathers (solid brass buckle, no roller buckle) 
to bind a bedroll as it gives me a spare belt, spare strup leather and it 
looks just like the originals from the seventeen hundreds.

Page 159 of the Collectors Illustrated Encyclopedia of the American 
Revolution has several saddles that show "modern" style buckles.  

As saddles could and did come with the individual as he or she moved west the 
quality could be quite good.  

Hit the library and you should find enough illustrations to help you select 
what is correct for you personna.

Your Humble Servant

C.T. Oakes

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Date: 17 Apr 1999 07:22:01 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:04:59 -0500

Lanney,
We carry tin coffee pots at Clark & Sons Mercantile : http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/

Later
YF&B

Buck Conner
dba/Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.

> 
> Lanny try Northstar maybe they still carry tin ware coffee pots.  later Jon T 


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Date: 17 Apr 1999 07:32:57 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List:air guns

Bob,
Have you ever considered trying to build an early "wind gun" ??  If you decided to try such a thing let me know, would be interested in one in the "white" in a 32 to 36 cal.  later
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On Fri, 16 April 1999, "Bob Lienemann" wrote:

> 
> i've seen one air rifle, also referred to in translation from the original
> German as a "wind gun", in the inventory of both the Christian's Spring
> (pennsylvania) and Salem (n carolina) shops of the Moravian communities'
> locksmiths and gunstockmakers.  from the 1770's and 1780's.  not much more
> detail, but the church fathers at salem were concerned about the mischief
> that was caused with the wind gun - evidently quiet mischief.  there's two
> in this country, in scattered locations, early.  i think they were earlier
> and more common that understood.


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