From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #409 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, November 15 1999 Volume 01 : Number 409 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: Reply to Kramer, Barney (ref. to Buck, Moore) -       Re: MtMan-List: Twisting Rope -       MtMan-List: scraper/wahintke -       Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Reply to AMM & New Outdoor Life Channel] -       Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Reply to AMM & New Outdoor Life Channel] -       MtMan-List: Taos -       Re: MtMan-List: Taos -       Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Reply to AMM & New Outdoor Life Channel] -       Re: MtMan-List: Alamo -       Re: MtMan-List: Alamo -       MtMan-List: Re: Wahintke (mystery solved) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:18:50 -0500 (EST) From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI) Subject: MtMan-List: Reply to Kramer, Barney (ref. to Buck, Moore) John - you're right. getting everybody to say who is the best marksman [it's definitely not this writer] may be a touchy subject and could possibly lead to a flame war. Thanks again to Buck's treasured cache of memories, it sounds like Robert Stack was close to #1 in 1978 - hope it's still true today. do definitely remember watching on TV that program and Heston pull the roundball out of his mouth and the laughter that resulted. His son Fraser had to eat the egg too after missing his target. Dang good folks. Hollywood needs more Chuck Hestons and Bob Stacks - God bless 'em. The Outdoor Life Network is on cable channel 74 in Michigan - don't know where else it is available. It is affiliated with Field & Stream and Outdoor Life magazines. Barn: Thanks to Mike Moore's input will keep trackin OLN for flintlock ML events. probably emailing them at www.outdoorlife.com or www.greatoutdoors.com with our two cents worth will help to keep that type of programming. that's where i was thinking to go with the subject thread. - ----------------------------------- E-CHIK, AH-HO from Michigan Territory - ----------------------------------- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 00:00:17 -0600 From: michael pierce Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Twisting Rope have a small tool that is made out of wood that is used to twist rope---easy to make it is for 3 stran twisted rope and it sure works good and easy ---have seen them made out of steel also---have made several nice ropes out of hay binder twine---am hunting right now contact me after thanksgiving and I will try to send you a sketch of how to make it or might even make you one and send it along with instructions of how to use it---I usto use it in some of my demonstrations for the boy scouts of things a mountan man did and how it was done---my granddad usto weave horsehair ropes but it was not really weaving it was a combination of plating and tyeing---I never learned the way but now wish i had---going up on magnetic mountain in the morning---trying for a shot at old "dirty point" saw him again during ML season and going back with the 54in the morning for regular rifle season. Danny Caywood also saw him and couldnt get a shot. have a plan to trick him for the next couple or few days may get a shot.--also saw a nice basket rack 10 point up on the mountain so it's going to be hard to make a choice if he comes by.. =+= HAWK Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield dr. Palm Harbor Florida 34684 e-mail: hawknest4@juno.com On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:17:55 -0800 Pat Quilter writes: >Wynn asked: >If an campkeeper should be able to build a hair rope then I believe I >should >be able to do it too. I have not been able to find instructions >anywhere >else. Can anyone help me?Among other questions I wonder should it be >twisted >or braided and how do you group the hairs together without leaving >weak >spots? >(ANSWER) >This is going to be hard without visuals. The process of twisting rope >from >fiber starts with stripped fiber -- long hair (from a horse's mane or >tail, >caution while collecting) or plant fibers -- the fibers from the >various >types of yucca spears are great. The plant fiber must be released from >its >binder (the green pulp that forms the body of the spear) by stripping >the >pulp with fingernail, back edge of knife, etc. One you have a supply >of >fibers form a bundle with enough fibers to get two matched bundles, >anywhere >from 10 fibers up per bundle depending on the thickness of cordage you >are >making. >Now comes the hard part to explain. Even up one end of the bundle and >knot >it near the end. Separate into two equal bundles to form a "Y" and >hold this >in the left hand, pinching the base of the Y between thumb and >forefinger, >so the "Y" opens towards your other hand. Using your right hand, grab >one of >the bundles about one inch from where you're holding them with the >left >hand, and roll the fibers between thumb and forefinger, thus putting >as much >twist in as you readily can. Your right thumb is on top and moves away >from >your body, thus twisting the top of this bundle away from your body. >Without >releasing the twist, lift this bundle up and over the other one, and >move >the grip of your left hand about half-an-inch further along the >bundle, so >that you are now "trapping" most of the twisted part against the other >bundle. Now grab the other bundle, bring it around to the top, and >repeat >the exact same thing. After you've done this for a couple of inches, >you >should begin to get a recognizable piece of cordage which does not >particularly want to unwind. >The secret of rope is when twisting two or more bundles in a certain >direction, they want to untwist by wrapping themselves around each >other in >the other direction. Once this has occured, the rope is stable, since >some >of the twist has balanced out leaving a net twist to hold everything >together. It's not real obvious till you do it that this is what the >above >manipulation accomplishes. There is an easy to make machine which >twists >several runs of twine with a common crank, until they countertwist >themselves into rope, but the above process is a simple but laborious >way of >making the basic cordage. Once into the rhythm you can churn out 2-3 >inches >a minute, with no special equipment at all. It is easy to make fine >strong >cordage suitable for snares, etc. >Once you get into the swing of this (which is easiest to practice with >thread or somewhat sticky fibers -- I always have trouble with hair) >you >will find that you can blend in more fibers as you get near the end of >a >bundle, to maintain the thickness indefinitely. Twisting, like >spinning, >blends the new fibers into the bundle, and once they've been >incorporated >for a few inches they don't want to pull out. There are also advanced >tricks >where the two bundles can be rolled at the same time between palm and >thigh >twisting up several inches per pass, but this is a real knack and easy >to >mess up. >This is sort of like trying to explain sign language without pictures, >so I >hope this helps. >Pat Quilter > > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: >http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 02:55:22 -0600 From: Mike Rock Subject: MtMan-List: scraper/wahintke page 73, vol IV of BOB.. That Heston story is wonderful...and the ball trick, will remember THAT one to use.. Rock - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 15:16:17 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Reply to AMM & New Outdoor Life Channel] In a message dated 11/12/99 7:31:24 AM Mountain Standard Time, conchosmith@netscape.net writes: << If you ever want to get rid of the belt buckle American Sportsman gave you for being the range officer of that shoot, let me have first shot at it. >> Hey Buck..... anyone wanting to take a shot at yer belt buckle ya aught ta keep an eye on... Steve - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 13 Nov 1999 16:56:47 -0800 From: Buck Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Reply to AMM & New Outdoor Life Channel] On Sat, 13 November 1999, SWcushing@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/12/99 7:31:24 AM Mountain Standard Time, > conchosmith@netscape.net writes: If you ever want to get rid of the belt buckle American Sportsman gave you for being the range officer of that shoot, let me have first shot at it. > >> > Hey Buck..... anyone wanting to take a shot at yer belt buckle ya aught ta keep an eye on... > > Steve Thanks Steve, I have always kept an eye on "Concho" & "Turtle", don't ever fully turn your back if you are unlucky enough to met them at an encampment. Later, Buck Conner _________________________________ Personal :http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html Business :http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ AMM Party:http://klesinger.com/jbp/jbp.html _________________________________ Aux Ailments de Pays! Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:05:20 EST From: MdntRdr1@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Taos I'm gonna be in the Taos area next month and it's been a long time since I've done any sight seeing in Taos. Where should I go? Is there still an Old Town Taos? - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:00:29 -0700 From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Taos Taos can be a really nice place to visit. But like all tourist towns, some sites are better than others. Can I recommend some? The Martinez Hacienda is a great place just outside of town (it is a 1807 fancy residence which has alot of fur trade connections), of course the Kit Carson home is o.k., but doesn't change much- they do have a good books store now, the Carson Cemetary on the north side of town has a few important fur trade people buried there (Kit, Lee, the men who died at Turley's mill, etc.), Ranchero de Taos has a very old church there and don't forget Taos Pueblo ( the indian village on north side of town, they will charge you for everything: going in, tours, if you take pictures etc) if you go to the pueblo make sure to see the old catholic church ruins there. The church was destroyed by the amereican when they came down to punish the indians for there part in the up rising. The Pueblos have their own version of the fight. I am sure alot of others can tell you of the places to eat, see art work at and vacation- if they don't write me. mike. MdntRdr1@aol.com wrote: > I'm gonna be in the Taos area next month and it's been a long time since I've > done any sight seeing in Taos. Where should I go? Is there still an Old > Town Taos? > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:43:58 -0500 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Reply to AMM & New Outdoor Life Channel] Buck wrote: "I have always kept an eye on "Concho" & "Turtle", don't ever fully turn your back if you are unlucky enough to met them at an encampment." Gee Buck, That sounds right un-neighborly.. I haven't met either of these fine, upstanding gents face to face, but I believe I could sleep right soundly in such company..... D > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:19:01 -0000 From: "Paul Jones" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Alamo Here are several more suggestions as to your query about the Alamo. 1. Duel of Eagles, Jeff Long, William Morrow and Company. The bibliography is amazing---from unpublished manuscripts, comtemporary newspapers, government documents, books, articles, ect. Really some meat in the primary material. 2. Jose Enrique De la Pena, With Santa Anna in Texas: A Personal Narrative of the Revolution, Edited and translated by Carmen Perry, Texas A & M University Press. He fought at the Alamo. 3. The Alamo Remembered, Tejano Accounts and Perspectives , Timothy M. Matovina, University of Texas Press. Hope these may be of some value. Paul - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:08:34 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Alamo Duel of Eagles is, indeed, amazing. Terrific book. Lanney Ratcliff - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul Jones To: Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 10:19 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Alamo > Here are several more suggestions as to your query about the Alamo. >=20 > 1. Duel of Eagles, Jeff Long, William Morrow and Company. The > bibliography is amazing---from unpublished manuscripts, comtemporary > newspapers, government documents, books, articles, ect. Really some = meat in > the primary material. >=20 > 2. Jose Enrique De la Pena, With Santa Anna in Texas: A Personal > Narrative of the Revolution, Edited and translated by Carmen Perry, = Texas A > & M University Press. He fought at the Alamo. >=20 > 3. The Alamo Remembered, Tejano Accounts and Perspectives , Timothy = M. > Matovina, University of Texas Press. >=20 > Hope these may be of some value. >=20 > Paul >=20 >=20 > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:20:10 -0500 From: "Henry B. Crawford" Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Wahintke (mystery solved) Mystery solved. Tom appears to have a first edition of BoBS vol III that has the chapter on hide tanning. That chapter was omitted from the second edition (that Kevin and I have) after it was discovered to have been largely plagarized. Our page 93 is in the chapter on trade beads. Meanwhile, there is a good description of making a Wahintke (elk antler hide scraper) in BoBS vol IV on pp. 72-74. I've made a couple and it's pretty simple. The best blade is made from a file. Make one on a bench grinder or have someone with a machine shop do you one. A fair substitute, though not as good, is the blade from a wood plane with the sharp corners ground off. Write me if you want details on how I made mine. Cheers, HBC >Book of Buckskinning, Volume III, page 93 offers advice on constructing a >wahintke. I made one last year with ease. Moscow Hide & Fur supplied the elk >antler and lawnmower blade supplied the steel. Rawhide wrap secured them >together. Very simple and very effective tool. > >Tom > **************************************** Henry B. Crawford Box 43191 Curator of History Museum of Texas Tech University mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 806/742-2442 FAX 742-1136 Website: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . 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