From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #461 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Saturday, February 5 2000 Volume 01 : Number 461 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: E-Mail and/or Web Site Address for Track of the Wolf -       Re: MtMan-List: E-Mail and/or Web Site Address for Track of the Wolf -       Re: MtMan-List: E-Mail and/or Web Site Address for Track of the Wolf -       Re: MtMan-List: E-Mail and/or Web Site Address for Track of the Wolf -       Re: MtMan-List: February 1837 -       MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name? -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name? -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name? -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name? -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name? -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name? -       Re: MtMan-List: Bridger -       Re: MtMan-List: namesTeton todd -       Re: MtMan-List: namesTeton todd -       Re: MtMan-List: mountain man names -       MtMan-List: TENT for sale -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name? -       Re: MtMan-List: TENT for sale -       Re: [Re: MtMan-List: namesTeton todd] -       RE: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name? -       Re: [Re: MtMan-List: names concho smith] -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name? -       MtMan-List: botas -       Re: MtMan-List: botas -       Re: MtMan-List: botas -       MtMan-List: Shirt for sale! -       Re: MtMan-List: botas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 16:19:19 -0800 From: R Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: E-Mail and/or Web Site Address for Track of the Wolf Traphand@aol.com wrote: > > Need your help. Does anyone know the E-Mail address or WebSite URL > for "Track of the Wolf"? Traphand, e-mail Web at I remain... YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 16:20:31 -0800 From: R Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: E-Mail and/or Web Site Address for Track of the Wolf Traphand@aol.com wrote: > > Need your help. Does anyone know the E-Mail address or WebSite URL > for "Track of the Wolf"? Web not wold Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:26:33 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: E-Mail and/or Web Site Address for Track of the Wolf www.trackofthewolf.com .....I'm serious, that's what it is. Ymos, Steve - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:27:36 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: E-Mail and/or Web Site Address for Track of the Wolf ....and here is the e-mail address track@iaxs.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 00:37:25 -0700 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: February 1837 Hello around the campfire. In the introduction of Journal of a Mountain Man by James Clyman it is said....You can generally count on a mountain man not to tell a story small. After all, yarning was an art among the trappers of the Rocky Mountains, and scaring pilgrims was one of their favorite sports. The harsh reality of everyday life in conversation is enough to scare most anybody into perking up the awareness level. Take away modern conviences and the whole world changes for the pilgrim once again. In reading about James Clyman it is noted that this woodsman from Virginia had a similar problem to other woodsmen in their sojourn to the Rocky Mountain experience. The early years for Clyman were similar to the problems of the woodsmen who sojourned with Lewis and Clark not 20 years before. The problem of adaption to the northern plains and the Rocky Mountains. Once figured out by the likes of Uncle Dick Wooten who came out the Rocky Mountains on the upper Yellostone with a pack horse of Marten worth $7,200 and John Gardner who lived in the upper reaches of the Yellowstone because he loved it spans the spectrum of the growth of the American Mountain Man from the winter sojourn of Coulter, Handcock and Dixon 1806-07. Does anyone have any information on Jim Bridger spending the winter of 1843-44 with the Crows in Pardise Valley on the upper Yellowstone. Does anyone have any information on the kinds of blankets carried by Bridger for trade? Badgerhole - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 09:14:01 -0500 From: "Henry B. Crawford" Subject: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name? > >Todd (who also doesn't have a nifty name yet) > I guess we'll just have to do something about that, eh, Todd? I think "String Bean" is already taken. :-) What ever happened to "Teton Todd?" Cheers, HBC **************************************** Henry B. Crawford Box 43191 Curator of History Museum of Texas Tech University mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 806/742-2442 FAX 742-1136 Website: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because It's There ****** - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:30:34 -0700 From: tetontodd@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name? I think you have the wrong Todd there Henry..... "Teton" Todd D. Glover Poison River Party Pilgrim - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 4 Feb 2000 10:17:03 -0800 From: Buck Conner Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name? On Fri, 04 February 2000, "Henry B. Crawford" wrote: > >Todd (who also doesn't have a nifty name yet) > > > > I guess we'll just have to do something about that, eh, Todd? I think > "String Bean" is already taken. :-) What ever happened to "Teton Todd?" > > Cheers, > HBC > **************************************** Henry, Interesting how everyone had a need to have a "mountain" name, was the thing to do for years in this sport. Everyone had one or more names, some fit, some earned, some not to one's liking, but it was a name. From the other side of the coin, look at many of these "mountain" people, they didn't have a name other than the one given at time of birth, that's what they used throughout their life - when asked "what's your name or handle", no matter if a "nick-name" was given or had been hung on them or not, they used their birth given name. Crockett, Bridger, Sublette, Bent's and so on for an example. If you receive a "nick-name" Todd, more than likely it will be one you don't like anyway, I wouldn't worry about it - the old timers didn't or didn't answer to that "nick-name", only their birth given one. Later Buck Conner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ AMM ~ Lenni-Lenape Society ~ NRA ~~~~ ~~~~ http://pages.about.com/buckconner ~~~ ~ http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ AMM Jim Baker Party / Colorado Territory "meat's not meat until it's in the pan" Aux Aliments de Pays! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:46:29 -0700 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name? > Interesting how everyone had a need to have a "mountain" name, was the thing to do for years in this sport. Everyone had one or more names, some fit, some earned, some not to one's liking, but it was a name. From the other side of the coin, look at many of these "mountain" people, they didn't have a name other than the one given at time of birth, that's what they used throughout their life - when asked "what's your name or handle", no matter if a "nick-name" was given or had been hung on them or not, they used their birth given name. Crockett, Bridger, Sublette, Bent's and so on for an example. If you receive a "nick-name" Todd, more than likely it will be one you don't like anyway, I wouldn't worry about it - the old timers didn't or didn't answer to that "nick-name", only their birth given one. Later Buck Conner What about the American Mountain Men who were adopted within Indian Clans Buck? Some of those old timers like Broken Hand and the Blanket Chief were among the orginial mounted pony trading trappers that came up river in the early 1820s. These guys can not be counted out in the story of the American Mountain Men at least not here in their birth place in the Rocky Mounains. Some of the "playful stuff" that came out of the 1950s got caught up in the 60s and 70s then along came the game playing you are talking about Buck if I get the gist correctly. I am not so sure I consider American Mountain Men a sport although that was the nick name of my son. I think it is important to realize that handles are meant for a certain groups understanding. I think both sides of the coin are true and I agree with you about not worrying about it. As I said in a earlier post. Does anyone know what kind of blankets were carried by the Blanket Chief 1836-1843? Badgerhole Walt Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:41:15 -0700 From: tetontodd@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name? We went this round once before on the name issue. I believe we found that the majority of trappers didn't have well known nick names. But, there are many examples of those that did. I would go so far as to say that "Diah" or "Cap'n" Smith were forms of nick names used in reference to Jedediah Smith. I would have to agree with Buck that when asked their name most probably didn't answer with a nick name like "the name's Broken Hand, Broken hand Fitzpatrick," or "they call me Old Solitaire, Old Solitaire Williams." The same is true today during introductions. While we are discussing names, I've heard Joe Meek referred to as "The Merry Mountain Man" and Milton Sublette as "The Thunderbolt of the Rockies." Anyone know where these came from and where they were first used? How about "Old Gabe," what's the provenance of that one? I've also heard tell that the name "Blanket Chief" was given to Bridger not because he traded a lot of blankets, or owned many, but rather because he kept pretty "Active" in the blankets so to speak. I could probably get off my butt and go over to the book shelf and look up some of this for myself, but I like hearing from you boys a whole lot more. It's kinda like checking traps, to come in and see what mails in the box and from whom. Take Care "Teton" Todd D. Glover Poison River Party Pilgrim - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 13:28:55 -0800 From: R Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name? tetontodd@juno.com wrote: > I could probably get off my butt and go over to the book shelf and look > up some of this for myself, but I like hearing from you boys a whole lot > more. It's kinda like checking traps, to come in and see what mails in > the box and from whom. Teton, Can't say I have anything intelligent to offer on the subject of nicknames but thought I would just set down and say, "Dang, but I'm looking forward to seeing you this summer!" Other than that, I remain.... YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 13:39:58 PST From: "Chance Tiffie" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bridger I'm quite sure that I'm wrong about this or at least I will be proven wrong by someone on this list, but I once read a brief explanation of Bridger's nickname that went something like this. It was said that Bridger carried such feelings of guilt about his role in abandoning Hugh Glass, that he spent the rest of his life in the mountains coming to anyone in need, and doing all that was possible to help out his fellow mountain men. Thus he was called Gabe, short for Gabriel, the guardian angel. I beleive I read this in Stanley Vestal's book on Bridger, and cannot recall where he claimed to have heard this. I am interested to know if there is any truth to it??? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:59:14 -0700 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: namesTeton todd Hello Teton Todd, I am well aware of the meaning of the French word teton, Todd. Talk around the campfire is designed to go around campfire more than once in life yes? Your not trapping words Teton Todd are you by playing pilgram? I thought I read where this list was an education forum. Maybe I should read it again. Some on the list seem to think that the American Mountain Men 1823-1837 did not trade....they only trapped. So Bridger came by the Crow name of Blanket Chief because he was a stud rather than a fine blanket trader. Quality then was as important as quality is now, in blankets. I am not so sure this does not need to keep going around the campfire some more. Badgerhole pushing 60 years on the American Mountain Man trail. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:25:57 -0700 From: tetontodd@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: namesTeton todd Walt, I didn't mean to imply that the names discussion wasn't worth talking about, only that we had before and if interested, anyone could go back and look it up in the archives. By all means lets keep discussing it, it beats some of the other banter thats passed by here. I too am well aware of the meaning of "teton." I was dubbed with that name many a winter season ago by a friend who said "Dang boy! yer as bout as tall as the Tetons themselves." That and I've always had a particular affinity for that range of mountains and do consider them "Gods finest sculpturings." It's not because I have some peculiar attraction for that part of the female anatomy that some lonely French trappers may have thought those mountains resembled. Not that i don't.......I mean....well of course I do.......ahhh...never mind. Here's to you Old Timer! "Teton" Todd D. Glover Poison River Party Pilgrim - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:44:12 -0700 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mountain man names By all means lets keep discussing it, it beats some of the other banter thats passed by here. I would like that Teton Todd and I think Buck is right scareing pilgrims into thinking they need to have a mountain man name in order to participate in the mountain man game leads the green horn astray. I would like to throw a few more chunks on the fire and build up the light a bit and talk some more about names. The most common concern seems to be the need of the pilgrim to have a mountain man name not where mountain man names came from or how they came to be. There is a spot in the Pryor Mountains where I can look across and see the way to the start of the Thoroughfare which starts at the head of the Wood River and goes across the southern edge of Yellowstone Park and comes out in the neighborhood of Jackson Hole. I would have liked to have seen Davy's place at the time of John Coulter or D. Boone who spoke of being there. I find these Teton Mountain particular distinctive. And I wonder if D. Boone would have had an active imagination which would have allowed him to speculate with a describtion that appears to fit the area. Badgerhole - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 23:37:36 -0500 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: MtMan-List: TENT for sale Again, if anyone is interested, I have a Panther 12x14 wall tent for sale. 5' side walls. Sod cloth attached. No ground (floor) is included. If you live in Florida (I'm in Naples, SW coast) I'll throw in the ropes and poles, if you come get it. Otherwise, you pay the shipping. Ropes and poles cost prohibitive to ship. One LARGE box, approximately 65 pounds. PRICE: $450.00 Respond off list to ad.miller@mindspring.com Thanks... Ad Miller - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 00:59:22 EST From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name? Hell-o there by the fire Mined if I put my two cents in on this name thing. Crazy Cyot here I got my name the hard way I erred it and am proud of it even if coyote the trickster has his way with me some times. Why Jill, all my kids and Even my own beloved ma and pa all calls me crazy of course they know me. I am so proud of my name that it is hard to get that other name out of me. By the way it's ---NA! it's not important here. The guy with that name, I leave behind when I put on my buckskins and head for the hills. It's part of the escape. Escape Isn't that a part of what all this mountain man game is all about. In many ways that was one of the things that drove men like Old Gabe the blanket chef, Old Solitaire, and Broken hand and their kind to the mountains in the first place. I think for many people out there to get their name is like getting part of their out fit. I've got my smoke pole, my shootin bag, period clothes, proper tentage now all I need is a name and I will be one. They haft to have a name to belong or feal a part of the group. Every one else has one and hay not it' s all part of the fun. For me it isn't the name that makes the man it's the man that makes the name for him self by words and deeds that counts. See ya on the trail Crazy Cyot s n - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 01:57:10 -0500 From: "Crooked Hand" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TENT for sale Golly Pard... if'n I had the $$ I'd be there nesxt weekend to take her off yer hands! Tis my wildest dream to have such an item... perhaps if you do not sell it Later in the year after the horns business picks back upi..I can buyher offn ya! Crooked Hand - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Addison Miller" To: "Muzzle Loader Mailing List" ; Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 11:37 PM Subject: MtMan-List: TENT for sale > Again, if anyone is interested, I have a Panther 12x14 wall tent for sale. > 5' side walls. Sod cloth attached. No ground (floor) is included. If you > live in Florida (I'm in Naples, SW coast) I'll throw in the ropes and poles, > if you come get it. Otherwise, you pay the shipping. Ropes and poles cost > prohibitive to ship. One LARGE box, approximately 65 pounds. > > PRICE: $450.00 > > Respond off list to ad.miller@mindspring.com > > Thanks... > > Ad Miller > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 5 Feb 00 11:40:40 EST From: Concho Smith Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: namesTeton todd] "Walt Foster" wrote: I am not so sure this does not need to keep going = around the campfire some more. Badgerhole _______________________________ And which end of the Badger's hole fits you Walt ???? Only kidding Walt, haven heard or seen of you for years. Later Concho. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 11:18:03 -0600 From: farseer Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name? Kinda what I figured, Buck. =) At this point, I'll stick with Todd. ;) I have seen a case of someone getting a name he didn't like, deserved though it was. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Buck Conner > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 12:17 PM > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name? > > > On Fri, 04 February 2000, "Henry B. Crawford" wrote: > > >Todd (who also doesn't have a nifty name yet) > > > > > > > I guess we'll just have to do something about that, eh, Todd? I think > > "String Bean" is already taken. :-) What ever happened to > "Teton Todd?" > > > > Cheers, > > HBC > > **************************************** > > Henry, > > Interesting how everyone had a need to have a "mountain" name, > was the thing to do for years in this sport. Everyone had one or > more names, some fit, some earned, some not to one's liking, but > it was a name. > > From the other side of the coin, look at many of these "mountain" > people, they didn't have a name other than the one given at time > of birth, that's what they used throughout their life - when > asked "what's your name or handle", no matter if a "nick-name" > was given or had been hung on them or not, they used their birth > given name. Crockett, Bridger, Sublette, Bent's and so on for an example. > > If you receive a "nick-name" Todd, more than likely it will be > one you don't like anyway, I wouldn't worry about it - the old > timers didn't or didn't answer to that "nick-name", only their > birth given one. > > Later > Buck Conner > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~ AMM ~ Lenni-Lenape Society ~ NRA ~~~~ > ~~~~ http://pages.about.com/buckconner ~~~ > ~ http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark ~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > AMM Jim Baker Party / Colorado Territory > "meat's not meat until it's in the pan" > Aux Aliments de Pays! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 10:23:15 -0700 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: names concho smith] _______________________________ And which end of the Badger's hole fits you Walt ???? Only kidding Walt, haven heard or seen of you for years. Later Concho. Both ends and in the middle. Where did Concho come from? - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 10:56:00 -0700 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: What's in a Name? How did the name of Farseer come about? - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:14:13 -0600 From: "Matthew Porter" Subject: MtMan-List: botas Hi, Does anyone know were I can get a pattern of Spanish botas like those pictured in the book "Buckskins and Blackpowder" by Ken Grissom? Matt Porter - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 10:39:38 -0800 From: randybublitz@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: botas Hi Matt, I made a pair of Botas, similar to those in the Sketchbook. You don't really need a pattern. mine are 18" tall, 17" wide at the top, 19" wide at the bottom. The buttons, 4 conchos, are evenly spaced along one edge, corresponding slits(button holes) along the other edge. Attach the conchos first, then 'put them on' to see where button holes should be. The flap is shaped like a half of a tear drop shape. The top edge of the flap folds over the top edge of the bota by about half an inch, leave a little space, as this is where the thong goes. In fact in pulling them out of the trunk right now I pulled the thong out. I will reinstall it by pushing a wire through this top edge, then pulling thong back through when I pull the wire back out. If you would like, I could make a sketch and e-mail it to you? Hope this helps... hardtack Your Second Amendment Rights protect ALL of your other Rights, Don't give up your Rights - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 11:09:18 -0800 From: randybublitz@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: botas Hi Matt, Pardon me.....put brain in gear, before fingers in motion....... I just reread your note, and realized you were not talking about 'The Mountain Man Sketchbook" by Hanson & Wilson. I also have the book you refered to, and on seeing the photo I realized my first post probably is very confusing. Sorry for that. The good news...My first pair of Botas are similar to those in the picture in 'Buckskins & black powder'. These are even easier to make- NO sewing! Mine are made of two roughly rectangular pieces of leather 25" tall by 21" wide. Wrap the leather around your leg, tie a thong to close around your knee. while they are on like this, mark where you would put 4 (or so) conchos and mark. Attach conchos, then re fit and cut button holes. Fold the leather above your knee over the thong tied under your knee. Where the leather over laps the top button, if it does, make another button hole. Top button will hold botas closed, and hold folded over flap down.... Walla....botas... If needed fold flap back up and tie over knee for added protection. If you want to see fancier botas, and what I was referring to in my first reply... check out the mountain man sketchbook. Hardtack Your Second Amendment Rights protect ALL of your other Rights, Don't give up your Rights - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 15:11:46 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: MtMan-List: Shirt for sale! If anyone is interested, I have a Cheyane war shirt copied out of the Cody museum for sale. along with a pair of wool leggins and breach. Ole #718 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 21:07:50 -0800 From: "Hill" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: botas Don't know about that but I made a passable pair of blanket botas using the pattern shown in Book of Buckskinning IV... Full instructions and simple to make I edged them with wool yarn and put brass buttons on them they are passable for southwest wear in Las Vegas hear-abouts - ---------- >From: "Matthew Porter" >To: >Subject: MtMan-List: botas >Date: Sat, Feb 5, 2000, 10:14 AM > >Hi, >Does anyone know were I can get a pattern of Spanish botas like those >pictured in the book "Buckskins and Blackpowder" by Ken Grissom? > >Matt > Porter > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #461 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.