From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #499 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, March 16 2000 Volume 01 : Number 499 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Vermillion -       MtMan-List: Levi's -       Re: MtMan-List: Ho the list!! -       MtMan-List: Wanted Book -       Re: MtMan-List: Wanted Book -       Re: MtMan-List: Primitive Indian Dresses -       Re: MtMan-List: Wanted Book -       Re: MtMan-List: Primitive Indian Dresses -       Re: MtMan-List: Primitive Indian Dresses -       Re: MtMan-List: Wanted Book -       Re: MtMan-List: Wanted Book -       Re: MtMan-List: Wanted Book -       MtMan-List: vermillion/cinnabar -       Re: MtMan-List: vermillion/cinnabar -       Re: MtMan-List: Primitive Indian Dresses -       MtMan-List: Leather Knee Breeches -       MtMan-List: a bit off topic but here it is.. -       Re: MtMan-List: Leather Knee Breeches -       Re: MtMan-List: Leather Knee Breeches -       Re: MtMan-List: Wanted Book -       Re: MtMan-List: Primitive Indian Dresses -       Re: MtMan-List: vermillion/cinnabar -       Re: MtMan-List: a bit off topic but here it is.. -       Re: MtMan-List: percussion tubes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:04:18 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Vermillion > Vermillion, I believe, is mercuric sulphide and therefore possibly not > available to the red Indian tribes at the time of history in which you are > interested. You are confusing vermilion with cinnabar. They are not the same. Dave Kanger - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:19:02 -0500 From: "Henry B. Crawford" Subject: MtMan-List: Levi's >Which Levi Corporation? > >http://www.levistrauss.com/index_about.html > >says Levi Strauss of jeans fame was born in 1829. > >Glenn Darilek >Iron Burner Questions about Levi Strauss, the product, or the company can be directed to my ol' bud Lynn Downey, the Levi Strauss company historian at 415/544-6000. She's a good egg and knows her stuff. Tell her hi for me. HBC ********************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History Museum of Texas Tech University Box 43191 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu 806/742-2442 FAX 742-1136 Website: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum *** Living History . . . Because It's There *** - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:39:42 -0800 From: "John C. Funk, Jr." Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ho the list!! Crazy, The "Spanish Barb mustang" you mentioned; is it a BLM wild horse? I have a 3 year old gelding I doing the same thing with. Maybe we can trade notes off line. John Funk - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 1:18 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ho the list!! > Hello in the camp > I'M Back! What ya got stern in camp? John I sat down to night to read the > archives mind you just to see what had been going since I quit. The time it > took me would have taken all of the time I can set a side for being on this > computer. Ya see this child tries to spend more time makin history then > readin it. Anyway my point is If I started reading the archives at the start > 4 years back and at the rate that new is being put out I would never Catch > up. The price of being a slow reader. But Bridger could not read a lick so > I'm in good company. I read Angals Idea about most frequent asked Questions > list. Why not take one step further and make it a real research tool with a > search engine. Now I know nothing about computers. But they can set them up > so you can type in the key words then it bring up all the files that are of > pertness to it. Heres an example of what I mean. Try this site see how it > works. And if you're into native plant uses you will relay like this site. > http://www.umd.umich.edu/cgi-bin/herb > If we could set the Archives like that it would be a lot easier to get > answers without haven to be botherin you guys buy askin the same old > questions, or a life time of diggin to find it in the archives. > > Talking about plants the first eatables of spring are out now. Bill Varga, > Jill and I went out today and to dig Indian potatoes and Biscuit Root. Here > in south Idaho we found them at about 4,200 ft. elevation growing along the > benches. It was good to get out, I had cabin fever had me powerful bad. > Worked with that little Spanish Barb mustang stud of Bills I'm brakin for him > what a treat of a horse. If their all like this one, I can see why were so > widely used back then. He's a smart one and willin to please. He's not to big > now but by the time he's done growing he should be just under 15 hands. I'm > tryin to fix him up with my two maris maybe I can breed some brains in to > them. And It's time to get traps in the water before the pelts lose there > prime. What I'm sayin is I'm back but Ain't going to be a spending a hole lot > of time on this here box ain't my still. I want to thank everyone for your > words of support. See ya on the trail > Crazy Cyot > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:46:39 -0800 From: "John C. Funk, Jr." Subject: MtMan-List: Wanted Book This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01BF8F2C.86B67260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While we're talking "wanted books"....I trying to find a copy of:=20 Recreating the Double Barrel Muzzle Loading Shotgun, by, William R. = Brockway. Published by: Geo. Shumway in 1985 ISBN 0-87387-089-1 softbound ISBN 0-87387-090-5 hardbound Any help would be greatly appreciated. John Funk - ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01BF8F2C.86B67260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
While we're talking "wanted books"....I trying to find a copy of: =
 
Recreating the Double Barrel Muzzle Loading Shotgun,  by, = William R.=20 Brockway.
 
Published by: Geo. Shumway in 1985
ISBN 0-87387-089-1  softbound
ISBN 0-87387-090-5  hardbound
 
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
John Funk
- ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01BF8F2C.86B67260-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:08:50 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wanted Book John....try alibris.com... they may have one. I've got a copy if you only need a page or two copied... Ymos, Steve - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:32:30 EST From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Primitive Indian Dresses Good impute Joe; Its bin long time since I've seen you. The only thing I add Is when sowing the dress us leather thong not thread. (Per: Jill) I sure do like them Shoshoni skirts that Miller did a lot of . (topless) he most of too. Cliff you told me you was a lean toward Shoshoni there ya go and it will take less buckskin. If I ever get dug out of this mess we're in from this remodel. I'll send you a paper Jill did on how to put one together. Just give me a reminder when your ready to start the dress. See ya on the trail Crazy Cyot - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:35:20 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wanted Book > John....try alibris.com... they may have one I already tried it, and bibliofind as well. Neither had it listed. On the other hand, I bought 7 other neat old books while browsing the listings. Dave Kanger - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:52:43 PST From: "Chance Tiffie" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Primitive Indian Dresses Crazy, I tried to swing that topless notion by my wife, and was quickly reprimanded!! I used the less leather approach, and was accused of being cheap and too lazy to tan more. It was a lose lose situation. I would still like to have the paper on the "skirt" though. Interesting note on using thong rather than thread, my intention was to use linen thread. I assumed sinew would be most correct, but did not want to fight it. Will try the thong. Most of the deer in this part of the country produce a 6 or 7 square foot hide, too small for a two hide dress for my wife. I will be in the market for some larger hides(brain tan). Although she is not X-large, she is tall. Cliff Tiffie PO Box 5089 Durant, OK 74702 580-924-4187 - --------------------- Aux Aliments de Pays! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:55:18 -0500 From: tipis@mediaone.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Primitive Indian Dresses I would not use thong but would use the sinew for the more correct look. The thong was used in short pieces to connect the sides together but not in "running" stitch as you might use thread. Too many times I have seen all the fancy "thong" work which was not used on the dresses or the old shirts. Linda Holley GazeingCyot@cs.com wrote: > Good impute Joe; Its bin long time since I've seen you. The only thing I add > Is when sowing the dress us leather thong not thread. (Per: Jill) I sure do > like them Shoshoni skirts that Miller did a lot of . (topless) he most of > too. Cliff you told me you was a lean toward Shoshoni there ya go and it will > take less buckskin. If I ever get dug out of this mess we're in from this > remodel. I'll send you a paper Jill did on how to put one together. Just give > me a reminder when your ready to start the dress. > See ya on the > trail > Crazy Cyot > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:36:37 -0800 From: "John C. Funk, Jr." Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wanted Book Steve, Thank you. I'd like to find the whole book in either soft or hard cover. I'd kill for a copy, frankly. I appreciate the offer and I'll try the source you mentioned. John Funk - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 11:08 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wanted Book > John....try alibris.com... they may have one. I've got a copy if you only need a page or two copied... > Ymos, > Steve > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:15:07 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wanted Book <<<>> Haaaaa.....glad ya don't know where I live John! I'll check another source or two and see what I can find... Ymos, Steve - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:57:12 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wanted Book I just asked a dealer which can usually find any firearms related books that have been ever printed. Just this spring I got Rifles of Colonial America 1&2, signed by Shumway from him and several other hard to find titles. About Brockways book he said: "Long out of print. Haven't seen a copy in years. I have a waiting list for this title. Will be happy to add your name. Shumway says he will reprint someday, but don't hold your breath." If I were you I would go to this site: http://lamar.colostate.edu/~bott/usedbook.htm All of the search engines will provide free ongoing searches. Just place your want in each and cross your fingers. You'll never know what will happen you could find it tommorrow. northwoods - -----Original Message----- From: John C. Funk, Jr. To: history line Date: March 16, 2000 11:49 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Wanted Book While we're talking "wanted books"....I trying to find a copy of: Recreating the Double Barrel Muzzle Loading Shotgun, by, William R. Brockway. Published by: Geo. Shumway in 1985 ISBN 0-87387-089-1 softbound ISBN 0-87387-090-5 hardbound Any help would be greatly appreciated. John Funk - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:13:32 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: vermillion/cinnabar This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01BF8F84.1A507A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is the entry for vermilion found in the Noah Webster Dictionary of = 1828, followed by the entry for cinnabar found in the same dictionary. = The two entries seem to say that the two substances were considered to = be essentially the same. Hope this helps. Lanney Ratcliff =20 VERMILION, a. vermil'yon. [L. vermiculus, vermes; a name sometimes = improperly given to the kermes. See Crimson.] 1. The cochineal, a small insect found on a particular plant. = [Improper or obsolete.] 2. Red sulphuret of mercury; a bright, beautiful red color of two = sorts, natural and artificial. The natural is found in silver mines, in = the form of a ruddy sand, which is to be prepared by purification or = washing, and then levigated with water on a stone. The factitious or = common vermilion is made of artificial cinnabar, ground with white wine, = and afterwards with the white of an egg. 3. Any beautiful red color. In blushing, the delicate cheek is covered = with vermilion. VERMILION, v.t. vermil'yon. To dye red; to cover with a delicate red CINNABAR, n. Red sulphuret of mercury. Native cinnabar is an ore of = quicksilver, moderately compact, very heavy, and of an elegant striated = red color. It is called native vermilion, and its chief use is in = painting. The intensity of its color is reduced by bruising and = dividing it into small parts. It is found amorphous, or under some = imitative form, or crystalized. Factitious cinnabar is a mixture of = mercury and sulphur sublimed, and thus reduced into a fine red glebe. What in the world is a "glebe"?? See below....same dictionary GLEBE, n. [L. gleba, a clod or clump of earth.] 1. Turf; soil; ground. Till the glad summons of a genial ray Unbinds the glebe--- 2. The land belonging to a parish church or ecclesiastical benefice. 3. A crystal. 4. Among miners, a piece of earth in which is contained some mineral = ore. - ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01BF8F84.1A507A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here is the entry for vermilion found in the Noah = Webster=20 Dictionary of 1828, followed by the entry for cinnabar found in the same = dictionary.  The two entries seem to say that the = two=20 substances were considered to be essentially the same.  Hope this=20 helps.
Lanney Ratcliff 
 
VERMILION, a.  vermil'yon.  [L. = vermiculus, vermes;=20 a name sometimes improperly given to the kermes.  See = Crimson.]
1. =20 The cochineal, a small insect found on a particular plant.  = [Improper or=20 obsolete.]
2.  Red sulphuret of mercury; a bright, beautiful red = color=20 of two sorts, natural and artificial.  The natural is found in = silver=20 mines, in the form of a ruddy sand, which is to be prepared by = purification or=20 washing, and then levigated with water on a stone.  The factitious = or=20 common vermilion is made of artificial cinnabar, ground with white wine, = and=20 afterwards with the white of an egg.
3.  Any beautiful red = color. =20 In blushing, the delicate cheek is covered with vermilion.
 
VERMILION, v.t. vermil'yon.  To dye red; to = cover with a=20 delicate red
 
 
CINNABAR, n.  Red sulphuret of mercury.  = Native=20 cinnabar is an ore of quicksilver, moderately compact, very heavy, and = of an=20 elegant striated red color.  It is called native vermilion, and its = chief=20 use is in painting.  The intensity of its color is reduced by = bruising and=20 dividing it into small parts.  It is found amorphous, or under some = imitative form, or crystalized.  Factitious cinnabar is a mixture = of=20 mercury and sulphur sublimed, and thus reduced into a fine red=20 glebe.
 
What in the world is a "glebe"??  See below....same = dictionary
 
 
GLEBE, n.  [L. gleba, a clod or clump of earth.]
1.  = Turf;=20 soil; ground.
 Till the glad summons of a genial = ray
 Unbinds=20 the glebe---
2.  The land belonging to a parish church or = ecclesiastical=20 benefice.
3.  A crystal.
4.  Among miners, a piece of = earth in=20 which is contained some mineral ore.
 
 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01BF8F84.1A507A00-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:33:02 EST From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: vermillion/cinnabar from The Dictionary of Gems and Gemology, Robert M. Shipley, 6th edition, copyright 1974 by The Gemological Institute of America. Cinnabar - A bright red to brownish red and sometimes lead grey, non-gem mineral which, however, often occurs as red impurities in different quartz varieties of gemstones or in combination with such varieties. Also used in China as coloring pigment for a red lacquer. The principal ore of Mercury. Hexagonal crystal system, Hardness is 2-2.5 (mohs scale) and specific gravity of is 8.0-8.2. Sources widely distributed. Cinnabar Matrix - A term applicable to various varieties of minerals containing numerous inclusions of Cinnabar but especially to a Mexican variety of Jasper. Barney Fife - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:15:29 EST From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Primitive Indian Dresses Bill mentioned Woolarock and Gilchrist, and while you're in that area, for goodness sakes dont miss the Davis Arms Museum in Claremore, OK. It'll make you drool out whats left after the other two. Barney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:23:08 -0600 From: "Douglas Hepner" Subject: MtMan-List: Leather Knee Breeches This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01BF8F8D.D32A7900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Who makes good quality leather knee breeches for "hard to fit" people? = I'm not "Big and Tall" but "Short and Fat". Any help would be greatly = appreciated. YMOS "Dull Hawk" - ------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01BF8F8D.D32A7900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Who makes good quality = leather knee=20 breeches for "hard to fit" people? I'm not "Big and Tall" but "Short and = Fat".=20 Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
YMOS
"Dull=20 Hawk"
- ------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01BF8F8D.D32A7900-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:22:50 -0500 From: "Crooked Hand" Subject: MtMan-List: a bit off topic but here it is.. Just picked this up thought it needed posted GUN CONTROL Orange County Register Letters to the Editor Section 8/4/99: It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed, a program costing the government more than $500 million dollars. And now the results are in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent; Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent; > >> Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent). In the state of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up 300 percent. Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms(changed drastically in the past 12 months). There has been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly. Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain how no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in "ridding society of guns." Bet you won't see this data on the evening news or hear your governor or members of the state Assembly disseminating this information. It's time to state it plainly: Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws only affect the law-abiding citizens. Take note, Americans, before it's too late! Thanks Mark Toigo/Crooked Hand/Wethlee-Enke` http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/8699 http://members.xoom.com/crookedhand/gallery.htm - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:27:08 -0500 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Leather Knee Breeches This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BF8F9F.25D8CB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Spotted Pony.... You can find their web page via my page, then click on = the Florida Frontiersmen logo near the bottom.... http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Geyser/3216 Ad Miller Who makes good quality leather knee breeches for "hard to fit" people? = I'm not "Big and Tall" but "Short and Fat". Any help would be greatly = appreciated. YMOS "Dull Hawk" - ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BF8F9F.25D8CB00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Spotted Pony.... You can find their web = page via my=20 page, then click on the Florida Frontiersmen logo near the=20 bottom....
 
http://www.geociti= es.com/Yosemite/Geyser/3216
 
Ad Miller
 
Who makes good = quality leather knee=20 breeches for "hard to fit" people? I'm not "Big and Tall" but "Short = and Fat".=20 Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
YMOS
"Dull=20 Hawk"
- ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BF8F9F.25D8CB00-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:10:32 -0800 From: Frank Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Leather Knee Breeches - --------------128AD96564E9E81743D57A8E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit or just go here: http://members.xoom.com/manyscalps/spotedpony.htm Frank Addison Miller wrote: > Spotted Pony.... You can find their web page via my page, then click > on the Florida Frontiersmen logo near the > bottom.... http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Geyser/3216 Ad Miller > > Who makes good quality leather knee breeches for "hard to > fit" people? I'm not "Big and Tall" but "Short and Fat". Any > help would be greatly appreciated. YMOS"Dull Hawk" > - --------------128AD96564E9E81743D57A8E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit or just go here:  http://members.xoom.com/manyscalps/spotedpony.htm

Frank

Addison Miller wrote:

Spotted Pony.... You can find their web page via my page, then click on the Florida Frontiersmen logo near the bottom.... http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Geyser/3216 Ad Miller
 Who makes good quality leather knee breeches for "hard to fit" people? I'm not "Big and Tall" but "Short and Fat". Any help would be greatly appreciated. YMOS"Dull Hawk"
- --------------128AD96564E9E81743D57A8E-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:27:43 -0800 From: "John C. Funk, Jr." Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wanted Book Done.... I'd be the first in line for a copy if they ever did go back into print. John Funk Thanks for the tip(s). - ----- Original Message ----- From: northwoods To: Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:57 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wanted Book > I just asked a dealer which can usually find any firearms related books that > have been ever printed. Just this spring I got Rifles of Colonial America > 1&2, signed by Shumway from him and several other hard to find titles. > About Brockways book he said: "Long out of print. Haven't seen a copy in > years. I have a waiting list for this title. Will be happy to add your name. > Shumway says he will reprint someday, but don't hold your breath." > If I were you I would go to this site: > http://lamar.colostate.edu/~bott/usedbook.htm > All of the search engines will provide free ongoing searches. Just place > your want in each and cross your fingers. You'll never know what will happen > you could find it tommorrow. > > northwoods > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John C. Funk, Jr. > To: history line > Date: March 16, 2000 11:49 AM > Subject: MtMan-List: Wanted Book > > > While we're talking "wanted books"....I trying to find a copy of: > > Recreating the Double Barrel Muzzle Loading Shotgun, by, William R. > Brockway. > > Published by: Geo. Shumway in 1985 > ISBN 0-87387-089-1 softbound > ISBN 0-87387-090-5 hardbound > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > John Funk > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:31:53 EST From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Primitive Indian Dresses Hello in the camp It seems we have a difference of opinion here. All I can say Linda believe me; Jill and I have done an a lot of research on Indian women's dress. Jill much more then I beings how I'm the one who wares the pants around here (after she tells me witch pare to put on). We have had the opportunity to handle museum peace. The sinew was used for the declaration and the body was sewn with a thong. A running stitch down the side and a whip stitched over the shoulder. The dress is sewn in side out so none of the stitches show on the out side. They look as Thu they are sewn with sinew but they are not. If Jill was here she could give you more in foe on it. Cliff there are ways to make the two hide dress and use three hides. Not all women back then were as short as Jill. What do you think is under all those bead across the bust of a lot of those dress? The seem. The two hide is really the name for the stile of dress not the number of hides it took the make every one of those dress. People and deer are the same now as back then they come in different sizes. See ya on the trail Crazy Cyot - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:37:00 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: vermillion/cinnabar > Here is the entry for vermilion found in the Noah Webster Dictionary of 1828, > followed by the entry for cinnabar found in the same dictionary. The two > entries seem to say that the two substances were considered to be essentially > the same. Lanny, Did a little more reading and it confirms what you found. The dictionary even gives a recipe for making it. It is mercuric sulfide (HgS). Says it is mostly found near the surface of volcanic and hot spring areas. Deposits in California, Nevada, China, Spain and Yugoslavia. Having said that, I must also say that I grew up in Vermilion County, Illinois. There are extensive deep mines there for coal and zinc. To get to the coal, one has to go through a heavy layer of red shale. There are old mine heaps of it all over the county. There is evidence that this was ground and used as a pigment by the Indians in the area, Kickapoo and Piankashaw being the most prevalent. Put two and two together and I assumed it was vermilion. The old salt works outside of Danville where Gurdon Hubbard got his trade goods for the American Fur Co. are located in an area where this shale is a surface outcropping. The non-running water located there is even red. I think shale is essentially petrified clay and there are several nice deposits of blue clay in the area. We used to dig it out of the hillside in the woods where we foraged as kids and make clay pots out of it. Most of the rivers and streams in the area have shale bottoms. Dave Kanger - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:55:05 EST From: WSmith4100@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: a bit off topic but here it is.. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:55:30 +1300 From: Duncan Macready Subject: Re: MtMan-List: percussion tubes Steve wrote >percussion tubes (I have been told) are now called "nipples" In the book Foxfire 5 Hacker Martin charged a customer $3.50 for a new tube and nipple .Could a tube be a bolster? YMOS Cutfinger Friendships made,Problems shared Campfires across the wilderness. 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