From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #554 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, May 17 2000 Volume 01 : Number 554 In this issue: -       Re: [Re: MtMan-List: priming horn] -       MtMan-List: Static electricity & black powder -       Re: [Re: MtMan-List: priming horn] -       Re: [Re: MtMan-List: priming horn] -       Re: [Re: MtMan-List: priming horn] -       MtMan-List: Moccersons questions -       Re: [Re: MtMan-List: priming horn] -       MtMan-List: Wonderful country -       MtMan-List: Cacheing goods. -       Re: MtMan-List: Moccersons questions -       Re: MtMan-List: Moccersons questions -       MtMan-List: pure flax sinew (linen thread) -       MtMan-List: Powder -       Re: MtMan-List: Cacheing goods. -       Re: MtMan-List: Wonderful country -       Re: MtMan-List: Wonderful country -       Re: MtMan-List: Powder -       Re: MtMan-List: Powder -       Re: MtMan-List: Wonderful country -       MtMan-List: Terrible Country -       Re: MtMan-List: Powder -       Re: MtMan-List: Wonderful country -       Re: MtMan-List: Powder -       MtMan-List: lymes disease ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:10:24 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: priming horn] Larry, You are exactly right ! Well said sir ! Pendleton - -----Original Message----- From: Larry Huber To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: priming horn] I agree with the cache part of this message. A Mountain Man on horseback, carrying a year's supply of goods with him would certainly cache it before setting about his daily routine. However, it would be a very short sighted (and short-lived) trapper who believed he only needed to carry with him what he needed for the day. He'd be assuming he'd be able to make it back to his cache by nightfall. I submit that a long-lived Mountain Man carried with him daily the minimum he'd need to survive away from camp on an extended basis. He's hunting in hostile territory where grizzlies and blackfeet may actively object to his poaching there. He would be foolish to assume he could safely make it back to camp. No, I submit that he would be packing a large horn filled with a considerable supply of powder. A horn of the size depicted by Alfred Jacob Miller in his sketches. Also, he'd carry lead or cast balls that would match the amount of powder in the horn. His blankets may be on his horse, but his possibles bag was near at hand not back at camp. I believe that day or hunting horns were frequently carried...but in more civilized areas. Near settlements of close lying farms or villages. This was a rural society for years and a farmer only needed to step a few hundred yards away from the house to acquire game. Many of the surviving examples of horns and guns fall into this category because they were passed down within the family and the practice they were designed for was also passed down. In the scope of American History the time of the Mountain Man was a short one and his kind developed survival techniques unique to them. His camp wasn't his home, it was his base of operations and his "back-up" supply depot. The Mountains were his home. What he needed, he carried. Respectfully, Larry Huber #1517 - ----- Original Message ----- From: Concho Smith To: Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: priming horn] hawknest4@juno.com wrote: guys--- I personally feel that the mountain men would set up a base camp to hunt or trap out of and would casha that stuff not needed on a daly basis---then would use a small day horn or like system(whatever you call it) to get fresh meat or to run the traplines and food seeking trecks---its a lot better to loose a small amount of important stuff than the whole load of it---just my humbel opinion of course---hope I have made my point--- Your idea Hawk is hitting the nail right on head, and the way that Curly G., Charley Hanson and Vern Bigsby at a conference in the early 80's saw it also, the trapper would setup a base camp, a cache (incase the camp was discovered) and carry just what was needed for a day or two - when away from camp. One good point was powder, he wouldn't carry all his powder in a large horn, what if it got wet ot worst yet lost - stolen - etc., same goes with having all his gear with him. They made a good point in there thinking and what they had researched. Later Concho ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:51:15 -0400 (EDT) From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI) Subject: MtMan-List: Static electricity & black powder If I may suggest as an experiment, why not try to create a static spark with an OPEN priming pan amount of 3F to settle the question and post results back to the list? Have seen rather finger painful blue static sparks with Vibram soles on carpet in dry weather and also even on ordinary grocery store flooring then touching metal cans on shelf. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from Michigan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:11:20 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: priming horn] Ole, What do you mean? ....the pack animals were not there to hall goods in they were there to haul pelt's out" Walt - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:57:47 EDT From: Ssturtle1199@aol.com Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: priming horn] From "'The Pennsylvania Kentucky Rifle " by Henry J. Kauffman ; page 137, "Before leaving the subject of horns, the reader should be alerted to the fact that two sizes of horns were used in the period of the flintlock. The larger horn was filled with coarse powder for the barrel, the smaller horn contained a fine powder that was placed in the pan for ignition. The invention of the percussion lock eliminated the need for the smaller horn and the more recent large horns were not as attractive as the ones used in the earlier times."............ Don't really mean nothing, just found this in real black print. Wanted to pass it on. Till trails cross Turtle - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:17:43 +1200 From: Duncan Macready Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: priming horn] Mike wrote Caches were made to be gotten in to once and then moved. A number of the Hunters who made these Caches must have gone under before getting back to them , or even couldnt find them, Have any ever been found later? YMOS Cutfinger Friendships made,Problems shared Campfires across the wilderness. Auckland, New Zealand - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 06:46:37 -0700 From: "Poorboy" Subject: MtMan-List: Moccersons questions Klahowya my friends, I am making my first pair of eastern centerseam moccersons. in the past I have always made the two piece plains moccerson. I have developed the pattern and cut the uppers and the extra soles. What I need to know is: Do I hide glue the extra sole to the inside of the moc or do I sew it to the bottom? What is the best stitch to use for longevity of the linen thread I am using? Thank you in advance for everyone's time and efforts concerning these questions. YMOS PoorBoy - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:46:21 -0600 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: priming horn] Walt, Think about this, the reason that trapers were out in the mountains was to trap Beaver, and like most of us they expected to trap a lot of Beaver. Now having said that, they had to be able to get those plews to market and so they would bring pack animals. For instance if you had a party of 20 trapers you could expect to see about 60 to 80 animals either horses or mules. If this party was moving to a new traping area they would carry there traps, bed rolls,cooking equipment, etc. if you were returning to the same area that you had traped the year before you would have cashed the traps, to be used later. This would make it possible for a large party to carry a lot of diferent items into there base camp that a single or couple of traper's would not be able to do. But like us the traping party would have great expectations for there success and would be thinking of how to get there catch to Rendezvous. If you read "Rocky Mountain Rendezvous" by Fred Gowans, you would see that they had to move the Rendezvous camps two or three times in order to keep a good supply of feed for there animals. Anyway I hope this explains my thinking better. YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- >From: "Walt Foster" >To: >Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: priming horn] >Date: Tue, May 16, 2000, 7:11 PM > >Ole, >What do you mean? ....the pack animals were not there to hall goods in they >were there to haul pelt's out" >Walt > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:20:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald Schrotter Subject: MtMan-List: Wonderful country Bill, thanks for coming to the defense of Wyoming, especially about the bubble crested west coasters. Keep it up and maybe we'll let you in someday. I would rather read this line than the beat to death authenticity line. Dog, somewhere near the Black's Fork __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:21:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald Schrotter Subject: MtMan-List: Cacheing goods. How do you think the Cache Valey got it's name? Dog, Gabe's Hole Brig. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:34:16 EDT From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Moccersons questions Poorboy hide glue a lone will not hold up because it brakes down when it gets wet. When it dries it will get hard so just tacking it in place with glue will help hold it where you want it while you sew it. I use a whip stitch making sure I only go part way threw the leather on the body of the moc. that way there is no stitch showing on the out side where it will get the most ware. Crazy Cyot - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:16:50 EDT From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Moccersons questions Poorboy I for got to mention this will work for both in side and out side the only difference when put extra soles on the out side make sure the peace is large enough that all the stitches are on the side of the foot ware it won't be walk on. Crazy Cyot - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:42:02 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: pure flax sinew (linen thread) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFC027.355FEDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable During the recent "discussions" about the use of waxed nylon artificial = sinew there were numerous references to using real animal sinew or linen = thread for sewing projects. There is a company, Barbour's, in Blue = Mountain, Alabama 36201 that has made real linen thread, which they call = "pure flax sinew", since 1784. Recently I bought a one pound spool = (1354 yards!!) of 4-cord flax thread that would be ideal for most sewing = projects that anyone is likely to encounter. The thread is very strong = and would probably work for fishing line, too, if care were taken to dry = it thoroughly after use. That is pure speculation on my part but I = intend to test the theory soon. =20 I bought it at the Leather Factory store in Ft Worth and got a hefty = discount from the rather expensive original price because it is make for = a particular brand of shoe makers lock stitch sewing machine that has = been discontinued as has the thread . (Some machines use left twist = thread and others use right twist thread, but I figured that the = direction of the twist would not make any difference in hand sewing.) = There are Leather Factory stores around the country and if you can find = one you might be able to negotiate a similar discount. 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During the recent "discussions" about the use of = waxed nylon=20 artificial sinew there were numerous references to using real = animal sinew=20 or linen thread for sewing projects.  There is a company,=20 Barbour's,  in Blue Mountain, Alabama 36201 = that has=20 made real linen thread, which they call "pure flax sinew", since=20 1784.  Recently I bought a one pound spool (1354 yards!!) of 4-cord = flax=20 thread that would be ideal for most sewing projects that anyone is = likely to=20 encounter.  The thread is very strong and would probably work for = fishing=20 line, too, if care were taken to dry it thoroughly after use.  That = is pure=20 speculation on my part but I intend to test the theory soon.  =
I bought it at the Leather Factory store in Ft Worth = and got a=20 hefty discount from the rather expensive original price because it is = make for=20 a particular brand of shoe makers lock stitch sewing machine that = has been=20 discontinued as has the thread .  (Some machines use left twist = thread and=20 others use right twist thread, but I figured that the direction of the = twist=20 would not make any difference in hand sewing.)  There are Leather = Factory=20 stores around the country and if you can find one you might be able to = negotiate=20 a similar discount.
YMOS
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFC027.355FEDC0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 17 May 2000 16:51:54 -0600 From: Phyllis and Don Keas Subject: MtMan-List: Powder Let's bring up one more tid bit to examine on cacheing powder & lead. = Just how much do you think a man would have carried for a year? Did he = shoot one, two, three times a day? If he shot one time a day on the = average, say 80 grains, how much powder and lead did he need? Are we = thinking that he carried so much that he needed to cache quite a bit? Or = did he not need to carry all that much? Don - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:58:10 -0500 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cacheing goods. - -----Original Message----- From: Ronald Schrotter To: hist list Date: May 17, 2000 11:22 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Cacheing goods. >How do you think the Cache Valey got it's name? Dog, >Gabe's Hole Brig. Do you know how it got its name? Unless I am mistaken I believe it was because some men were killed while in the process of making a cache. The hole they were excavating collapsed in on them. A typical method of making a cache for a large amount of goods was to excavate a hole in the earth, usually near a stream or some type of water where the earth that was taken out of the hole could be disposed of without leaving any sign, and then placing goods to be cached inside and covering all remaining sign of any type of activity. Of course a cache could consist of a large amount of goods, or just one item. A good way of caching traps was to leave them underwater, like in a spring, lake, or stream. T. Clark - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:56:05 -0500 From: "jdearing" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wonderful country > Bill, thanks for coming to the defense of Wyoming, > especially about the bubble crested west coasters. > Keep it up and maybe we'll let you in someday Speaking of Wyoming...I plan to visit Yellowstone and surrounding area the first of June, and was wondering if anyone could suggest a few sites not normally seen by the bubble crested west coasters. Ahh, I might add that I'm from Missouri, so don't count me as part of nuts, fruits, and flakes from the west coast. I'm as normal as anyone on this list. ;-) I do plan to visit the Museum of the Mountain Man in Pinedale. Any other good places to visit? Any suggestions for good flyfishing locations not normally fished by the west coasters? Thanks much J.D. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:21:17 -0500 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wonderful country - -----Original Message----- From: jdearing To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: May 17, 2000 5:57 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wonderful country >Speaking of Wyoming...I plan to visit Yellowstone and surrounding area the >first of June, >and was wondering if anyone could suggest a few sites What surrounding areas? East, west. north or south of the park? Have you ever been there before? If you never been in the park, most all of it is worth seeing once. That is, if you can go during the "off" season. If there is such a thing. I had a lot of fun last fall along the Gallatin R. N.W. of the park. Camped back somewhere on a little branch of the Gallatin which was called "Portal Creek". The wife and I caught all of the cutthroat we cared to. There are so many beautiful places to see it's hard to tell you where to start. I am kind of partial to a place in the park called blacktail plateau southeast of Mammoth Hot springs. There is a real beautiful spot which requires a 30 minute hike to get into where the view is exceptional. It's a 360 degree view of mountains. My wife and I were married there by the park minister. T. Clark - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:22:44 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Powder Don That can be calculated if you know that one pound equals 7,000 grains. = Divide the charge weight (adding a smidgen for priming) into 7,000 to = get the shots per pound of powder. Your 80 grain load would probably = yield about 80-odd shots if you allow for a little waste. I don't know = how much each of the various sized round ball weighs but the quanity of = lead could be calculated in the same way. I do know that a ball for a = .62 caliber goes about 20 to the pound, with smaller sizes giving more = ball to the pound, of course. =20 I will leave discussing the issue of cacheing powder and lead to others, = but if I were in the rocky mountains in the 1820's or 1830's I would = ALWAYS have a full horn and a hefty poke of ball if I had any choice in = the matter at all. =20 YMOS Lanney=20 - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Phyllis and Don Keas To: History Text Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 5:51 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Powder=20 Let's bring up one more tid bit to examine on cacheing powder & lead. = Just how much do you think a man would have carried for a year? Did he = shoot one, two, three times a day? If he shot one time a day on the = average, say 80 grains, how much powder and lead did he need? Are we = thinking that he carried so much that he needed to cache quite a bit? = Or did he not need to carry all that much? Don - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:16:58 -0700 From: Baird.Rick@orbital-lsg.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Powder Seems to me that I read in Ogden's journal that once they got down to the Lemhi River country, the men could hardly be restrained from running buffalo except by restricting them access to powder and lead. But, then, that's a big brigade traveling with women, kids, and all the plunder. Interesting question. How much lead & powder did a small party take? - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:27:29 -0600 From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wonderful country About 10 miles west of Pinedale is the site of Fort Bonneville. It fits the description given by period journals to a "T". Also not far from there is the site where Father DeSmet preached his sermon, and of course the Horse Creek rendevous sites......and lots more. Yellowstone isn't too bad before the 1st of July. Allen At 05:56 PM 05/17/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >> Bill, thanks for coming to the defense of Wyoming, >> especially about the bubble crested west coasters. >> Keep it up and maybe we'll let you in someday > >Speaking of Wyoming...I plan to visit Yellowstone and surrounding area the >first of June, >and was wondering if anyone could suggest a few sites not normally seen by >the bubble >crested west coasters. Ahh, I might add that I'm from Missouri, so don't >count me as >part of nuts, fruits, and flakes from the west coast. I'm as normal as >anyone on this list. ;-) > >I do plan to visit the Museum of the Mountain Man in Pinedale. Any other >good places >to visit? Any suggestions for good flyfishing locations not normally fished >by the west >coasters? Thanks much >J.D. > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:49:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald Schrotter Subject: MtMan-List: Terrible Country If you plan on visiting the Yellerstone country in early June (Or any time of year for that matter)be sure and dress warm. I am dead on serious-I have been snowed on as late as July 3, and the wonderful Wyoming wind is sharp as a blackfoot arrow. Please don't tell the bubble crested west coasters about this little advertised fact. There is a lot to see in that area, and if you have time you should take the Chief Joseph Highway out of Cody into Montana. It is easy to circle back to the park, and you will see some really ugly country-flat as a pancake and just as interesting. Dog, Gabe's Hole Brig. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:08:19 -0700 From: "John C. Funk, Jr." Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Powder My guess is, what ever was available to them. Based upon whatever "intelligence" was available to them regarding hostiles, game and assorted "targets of opportunity". Tactical thinking ain't changed much over the years, folks. I have to think that "survival" thoughts were foremost in ones thinking. John Funk - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 5:16 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Powder > > > Seems to me that I read in Ogden's journal that once they got down to the Lemhi > River country, the men could hardly be restrained from running buffalo except by > restricting them access to powder and lead. But, then, that's a big brigade > traveling with women, kids, and all the plunder. Interesting question. How > much lead & powder did a small party take? > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:26:07 EDT From: Hawkengun@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wonderful country Speaking of Wyoming...I plan to visit Yellowstone and surrounding area the first of June, and was wondering if anyone could suggest a few sites not normally seen by the bubble crested west coasters. Ahh, I might add that I'm from Missouri, so don't count me as part of nuts, fruits, and flakes from the west coast. I'm as normal as anyone on this list. ;-) I do plan to visit the Museum of the Mountain Man in Pinedale. Any other good places to visit? Any suggestions for good flyfishing locations not normally fished by the west coasters? Thanks much J.D. Well sir, I hate to do this, but you might drive out Horse Creek road north of Dubois and fish the Wiggins Fork. It's just over Togwotee Pass from Jackson Hole (and headwaters of the Wind River.) Great car camping all through that country, lots of excellent access to the wilderness, plenty of (gulp!) griz, all that good stuff. Just don't go back there during elk season, especially not to the cut blocks above Bush Lake, er else you'll be persona non grata with this ole coon. On the 4th of July they have a fun little roundezvous in Riverton at the site (approximately) of the original 1830 & 1838 doins. Look up Jake Korell in Riverton-- if there's a man alive today that would fit right in with Bridger, Fitzpatrick, Walker and such, it'd be Jake Korell. He's got all the skills. Visit the Shoshones and Arapahoes in Ft. Washakie and Ethete et. al. while you're in the country. You can still pick up fine beadwork for a song. And that's all I'm going to divulge about my blessed home (though I live down here in Colo. right now), at least to a flatlander. Now if you were from California, the resting place of Andy Sublette, George Yount and countless other fine frontiersmen, as well as the location of the highest mountains in the lower '48 and home to probably the best black bear hunting in America, I might be tempted to tell you more. Just kidding JD, I hope you have a good time. john r sweet - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:46:18 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Powder Don, I can't remember where I read it, but I seem to recall that a typical outfit for a trapper was 20 pounds of powder and 40 pounds of lead. Now that seems like a lot, but when you factor in the possibility of loss due to thievery, wet conditions, plus having some for trade, etc. That was most likely about right. In a .50 cal. rifle it takes about 1 lbs. powder to fire 2 lbs. of lead. I know all that depends on what charge you use, and how much you donate to Mother Earth. Pendleton - -----Original Message----- From: Phyllis and Don Keas To: History Text Date: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 3:48 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Powder Let's bring up one more tid bit to examine on cacheing powder & lead. Just how much do you think a man would have carried for a year? Did he shoot one, two, three times a day? If he shot one time a day on the average, say 80 grains, how much powder and lead did he need? Are we thinking that he carried so much that he needed to cache quite a bit? Or did he not need to carry all that much? Don - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:45:25 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: lymes disease This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01BFC049.356DD800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ho the list I have something serious to talk about so listen up. It ain't history = oriented, but that's too bad. Last fall my brother contracted lymes disease, a tick borne infectious = disease that is getting more widespread daily. He has been hospitalized = several times and has some scary symptoms. Some people die from the = disease, but it is more often just dibilitating. His doctor told him = that he will be off work a minimum of six months, but more likely at = least a year. Luckily his employer, the City of Arlington, Texas, is = being very cooperative and between workman's comp and the city he will = continue to receive his full salary. Yes, I said workman's comp. His = occupation, utility worker, is among the most widely affected groups and = with the excellent documentation my brother provided he was approved for = workman's comp. In fact, he is thought to be the first person in Texas = to be approved for workman's comp due to lymes disease. Lymes disease is contracted from a tick about the size of a grain of = coarse pepper, not the big dog ticks that you can actually see. The = disease is widespread all over the USA and is approaching epidemic = proportions in some areas. My brother's doctor said that state tourism = departments are downplaying the disease for fear of scaring off = tourists. How do you like that?! Any of us who use the outdoors, and who uses the outdoors more that = buckskinners?, are subject to infection and should make ourselves aware = of the dangers and possible preventive measures. There is a vaccine, = LYMErix, that goes a long way toward preventing infection. I have = included below a couple of sites to find out more about this disease and = about the vaccine. I intend to get the vaccine immediately and I urge = everybody to read this and any other information about lymes disease and = decide for themselves what is best for them.=20 My brother told me that he will gladly talk to anybody about his case = and effects it has had on his life. He asks that you call no later than = 9:00pm Central Time. My brother's name is Danney Ratcliff and his phone = number is 817 483 0588 YMOS Lanney Ratcliff http://lymerix.com/ http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/148ba2.htm - ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01BFC049.356DD800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I have something serious to talk about so listen up.  It ain't = history=20 oriented, but that's too bad.
 
Last fall my brother contracted lymes disease, a tick borne = infectious=20 disease that is getting more widespread daily.  He has been = hospitalized=20 several times and has some scary symptoms.  Some people die from = the=20 disease, but it is more often just dibilitating.  His doctor told = him that=20 he will be off work a minimum of six months, but more likely at least a=20 year.  Luckily his employer, the City of Arlington, Texas, is being = very=20 cooperative and between workman's comp and the city he will continue to = receive=20 his full salary.  Yes,  I said workman's comp.  His = occupation,=20 utility worker, is among the most widely affected groups and with the = excellent=20 documentation my brother provided he was approved for workman's = comp.  In=20 fact, he is thought to be the first person in Texas to be approved = for =20 workman's comp due to lymes disease.
Lymes disease is contracted from a tick about the size of a grain = of coarse=20 pepper, not the big dog ticks that you can actually see.  The = disease is=20 widespread all over the USA and is approaching epidemic proportions in = some=20 areas.  My brother's doctor said that state tourism departments are = downplaying the disease for fear of scaring off tourists.  How do = you like=20 that?!
Any of us who use the outdoors, and who uses the outdoors more = that=20 buckskinners?, are subject to infection and should make ourselves aware = of the=20 dangers and possible preventive measures.  There is a vaccine, = LYMErix,=20 that goes a long way toward preventing infection.  I have included = below a=20 couple of sites to find out more about this disease and about the=20 vaccine.   I intend to get the vaccine immediately and I urge=20 everybody to read this and any other information about lymes disease and = decide=20 for themselves what is best for them. 
My brother told me that he will gladly talk to anybody about his = case and=20 effects it has had on his life.  He asks that you call no later = than 9:00pm=20 Central Time.  My brother's name is Danney Ratcliff and his phone = number is=20 817 483 0588
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff
 
http://lymerix.com/
 
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