From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #592 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, July 16 2000 Volume 01 : Number 592 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: fort orleans found -       MtMan-List: Saddles and Such -       Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such -       Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such -       Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such -       MtMan-List: Golden brown buckskin -       Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such -       Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such -       Re: MtMan-List: Rust on the camp set.... -       MtMan-List: Interesting Site -       Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such -       Re: MtMan-List: Golden brown buckskin -       Re: MtMan-List: fort orleans found -       Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such -       Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such -       Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such -       Re: MtMan-List: fort orleans found -       Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such -       MtMan-List: Man Made Mobile -       MtMan-List: Quills -       Re: MtMan-List: Quills -       Re: MtMan-List: Quills -       Re: MtMan-List: Quills -       Re: MtMan-List: Quills -       Re: MtMan-List: Quills -       Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such -       Re: MtMan-List: Quills -       Re: MtMan-List: Quills -       Re: MtMan-List: Quills ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:39:19 -0700 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: fort orleans found On Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:42:07 PDT "Robert Thomson" writes: > Very true. A perfect example is the steamboat Arabia. She was found > on > private property and the museum and artifacts remain in the hands of > the > people who found her. > Robert true in some cases but not always---a lot depends on the year it was found---prior to 1989 the law was a bit different and now since they slipped it on us we have to live with it along with the various state laws that have been created because of the same act---suggest you look at my post about the laws and look at the book on the treasure laws---makes you sit back and rethink the matter---especially the pentelties that they now have--- "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor florida 34684 Phone Number: 1-727-771-1815 E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:07:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Newbill Subject: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such Good Day All. Been digging around a wee bit. Finally got ahold of a copy of "Man Made Mobile" out of the musty archives of the University of Idaho. Pretty amazing that out of 1.5 million books, we only have one on saddles. Couple of things I learned. The english saddle as is in use today has changed almost not at all in 200 years in shape. I wish I could have seen how the stirrups were attached on the early 1800's print, but of course it didna show that part. I did find out the the old hardware was iron, not steel, but that is not much of a surprise. The indian saddle I was planning on making for myself, is a plain's indian Woman's saddle, so I'll scrap that for now, but will work on one later hopefully, since I already have the wood and rawhide for it. On another note, I've been trying to find the origin of "plantation saddles", and run out of info about mid 19th century, although prints as early as the 16th century show similiar style saddles. This saddle is more condusive to life in the bush than the english saddles I own, with brass loops for attachments, and it's own style of saddlebags, which, by the way, are big and roomy. It also has a higher cantle and deeper seat providing for a more stable seat than the traditional english saddle. The question..... since my persona is a NWCo employee, for whom spanish saddles and hope saddles would not have been an likely choice, would the "designed for the field" plantation type saddle be more correct for a 1810 Scot over the standard "general purpose" Stubben (english saddle) that I now use? Hopefully, someone can point the way towards better information than what I have. Your Most Obedient Servant... Lee Newbill of North Idaho Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders www.geocities.com/northscribe - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jul 2000 17:21:02 -0700 From: buck.conner@uswestmail.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such On Fri, 14 July 2000, Lee Newbill wrote: > > Good Day All. > > Been digging around a wee bit. Finally got ahold of a copy of "Man Made > Mobile" out of the musty archives of the University of Idaho. Pretty > amazing that out of 1.5 million books, we only have one on saddles. > LEE, YOU MAY WANT TO CHECK WITH "WESTERN HORSEMAN" MAGAZINE, THE ORIGINAL OWNER/EDITOR - DICK SPENCE HAD DONE SEVERAL VERY GOOD ARTICLES ON SADDLES THROUGH THE AGES. DICK OWNED SEVERAL REV WAR OFFICERS SADDLES AND POSSIBLY AN F&I WAR SADDLE, ALONG WITH OTHERS YOU HAVE MENTIONED TOO. HE HAD SEVERAL OF THEM ON LOAN TO THE PARKS SERVICE FOR EXAMPLES WHEN THEY WHERE OUTFITTING BENT'S FORT BACK AROUND 1973 OR 1974, JUST BEFORE THEIR GRAND OPENING. YOU MAY BE ABLE TO GET A COPY OF SOME OF THE ARTICLES BY CONTACTING THEM IN COLO.SPRING, CO. > > Hopefully, someone can point the way towards better information than what I have. > > Your Most Obedient Servant... > > Lee Newbill of North Idaho Later. Buck Conner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "One who trades" "Uno quien negocia" "Unquil Commerce" English Spanish French * Phila * St.Louis * Trade West * Aux Aliments de Pays! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:40:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such On 14 Jul 2000 buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote: > LEE, YOU MAY WANT TO CHECK WITH "WESTERN HORSEMAN" MAGAZINE, THE > ORIGINAL OWNER/EDITOR - DICK SPENCE HAD DONE SEVERAL VERY GOOD ARTICLES > ON SADDLES THROUGH THE AGES. Hi Buck Appreciate the lead, even though I cut my teeth on their primers, I didn't even think to go looking through their archives. Your Most Obedient Servant... Lee Newbill of North Idaho Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders www.geocities.com/northscribe - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:58:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such Hallo Again Has anyone ever read the book "Saddles", by Russell H. Beatie? Is it worth the $60? Your Most Obedient Servant... Lee Newbill of North Idaho Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders www.geocities.com/northscribe - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:43:15 -0600 From: Allen Hall Subject: MtMan-List: Golden brown buckskin Hello the list, Putting together our party newsletter tonight, and put this quote in. But I figured that you all may enjoy it as well. It's from Don Berry's book, A Majority of Scoundrels". Good book if you haven't read it. Allen "Meat was the diet; the mountain man wanted nothing else. The finest of all foods was the hump rib of a fat buffalo cow, though some liked tongue nearly as well. Occasional contests are recorded where two mountain men start at either end of a slippery boudin-the buffalo's intestine-and swallowed their way to the middle. Like all meat eaters in history, the mountain men knew you have to have plenty of fat with the lean, and the conditions of their buckskins testified to the fact that they got it. What with blood drippings of one sort and another, and a good substantial coat of grease, the color of the mountain man's buckskins was a far cry from the delicate beige-brown of the moving pictures. They were black. Dirty black, greasy black, shiny black, bloody black, stinky black. Black." - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:40:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Lynn Kirby Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such I thought the book was an excellent source of information concerning early saddle development. I think I got my copy for around 45.00 dollars from amozon.com - --- Lee Newbill wrote: > Hallo Again > > Has anyone ever read the book "Saddles", by Russell > H. Beatie? Is it > worth the $60? > > Your Most Obedient Servant... > > Lee Newbill of North Idaho > Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders > www.geocities.com/northscribe > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:17:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such "Saddles", by Russell H. Beatie? On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Lynn Kirby wrote: > I thought the book was an excellent source of > information concerning early saddle development. I > think I got my copy for around 45.00 dollars from > amozon.com Amazon wants about $60 for it now, Barnes & Noble $55. Also found a real-live copy of "Man Made Mobile" at Barnes and Noble... also selling for around $60. Think I'll go for the "Saddles" book as I can only get one... and can actually read "Man Made Mobile" at the U of Idaho Library. Your Most Obedient Servant... Lee Newbill of North Idaho Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders www.geocities.com/northscribe - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:22:06 EDT From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rust on the camp set.... Most of the suggestions already given are good ones. I have yet to try it, but have been told that the beeswax is fantastic for curing your ironware. I know a guy who sets up a cook kitchen type camp and sometimes winds up feeding the entire vous. He told me that the large iron kettle he does all his cooking in was cured this way 12 yeras ago and has never needed to be recured. As for the outside of the ironware, putting it on a good wood fire should take care if it. Longshot "Longshot's Rendezvous Homepage" http://members.aol.com/lodgepole/longshot.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:37:39 -0400 From: tom roberts Subject: MtMan-List: Interesting Site Here's a website that may be of interest. It is titled: "Archiving Early America" and contains a search function to historic documents of 18th century America. I know it's just a slight bit early, but enjoyable all the same. http://earlyamerica.com/ Tom - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:37:54 -0500 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such You won't be disappointed with the book by Beatie. It is the best book on the subject by a long shot. Man Made Mobile is a good reference to have around also. Some interesting stuff in there that is hard to find elsewhere. You may want to check out some used book links to find books cheaper, I looked in Bookfinder.com and found several of Beaties books for around $40. northwoods - -----Original Message----- From: Lee Newbill To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: July 14, 2000 11:18 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such >"Saddles", by Russell H. Beatie? > >On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Lynn Kirby wrote: >> I thought the book was an excellent source of >> information concerning early saddle development. I >> think I got my copy for around 45.00 dollars from >> amozon.com > >Amazon wants about $60 for it now, Barnes & Noble $55. Also found a >real-live copy of "Man Made Mobile" at Barnes and Noble... also selling >for around $60. > >Think I'll go for the "Saddles" book as I can only get one... and can >actually read "Man Made Mobile" at the U of Idaho Library. > >Your Most Obedient Servant... > >Lee Newbill of North Idaho >Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders >www.geocities.com/northscribe > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:44:35 -0500 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Golden brown buckskin Talk about a diet of meat, two books in the Hafen series which are the journals of Rufus B. Sage give a good description of the benefits of an all meat diet. He claimed it couldn't be beat for health and fitness. It's been a while since I read it. Makes me wonder how those PETA folks figure they can go on and on about how unhealthy meat is for a persons diet. If they had there way we would be living on turnips and tofu. northwoods - -----Original Message----- From: Allen Hall To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: July 14, 2000 9:54 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Golden brown buckskin >Hello the list, > >Putting together our party newsletter tonight, and put this quote in. But I >figured that you all may enjoy it as well. It's from Don Berry's book, A >Majority of Scoundrels". Good book if you haven't read it. > >Allen > >"Meat was the diet; the mountain man wanted nothing else. The finest of all >foods was the hump rib of a fat buffalo cow, though some liked tongue nearly >as well. Occasional contests are recorded where two mountain men start at >either end of a slippery boudin-the buffalo's intestine-and swallowed their >way to the middle. Like all meat eaters in history, the mountain men knew >you have to have plenty of fat with the lean, and the conditions of their >buckskins testified to the fact that they got it. What with blood drippings >of one sort and another, and a good substantial coat of grease, the color of >the mountain man's buckskins was a far cry from the delicate beige-brown of >the moving pictures. They were black. Dirty black, greasy black, shiny >black, bloody black, stinky black. Black." > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:51:33 -0500 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: fort orleans found - -----Original Message----- From: hawknest4@juno.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: July 14, 2000 12:31 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: fort orleans found >believe the antiquities act of 1998 changed that a bit---said that you >are required to notify the BLM or the state or federal archologilist upon >finding anything over 100 years old on state, federal or privet >land--- I've been checking around Hawk and I can't seem to find any such laws like you are describing. It's hard to keep up on all current laws, but I belong to several archeological organizations which keep up with legislation like you are describing, and I have never heard of it. Here in Wisconsin private lands can be collected and dug as long as you are not digging burials, the restriction applies to burials of all races. Digging or disturbing burials is what is a no-no. Not to mention the fact that it is morally and ethically unjustifiable. northwoods - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 06:49:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Lynn Kirby Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such Lee, I pick up a copy of "Man Made Mobile" from the Boston Bookstore, in Rocky Mount, North Carolina about 4-5 months back for 15.00+4.00 shipping. At that time they still had a few copies left. You may want to check with them. - --- Lee Newbill wrote: > "Saddles", by Russell H. Beatie? > > On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Lynn Kirby wrote: > > I thought the book was an excellent source of > > information concerning early saddle development. I > > think I got my copy for around 45.00 dollars from > > amozon.com > > Amazon wants about $60 for it now, Barnes & Noble > $55. Also found a > real-live copy of "Man Made Mobile" at Barnes and > Noble... also selling > for around $60. > > Think I'll go for the "Saddles" book as I can only > get one... and can > actually read "Man Made Mobile" at the U of Idaho > Library. > > Your Most Obedient Servant... > > Lee Newbill of North Idaho > Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders > www.geocities.com/northscribe > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:41:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, northwoods wrote: > You may want to check out some used book links to find books cheaper, I > looked in Bookfinder.com and found several of Beaties books for around $40. Northwoods.... I had forgotton about that site, appreciate it much Your Most Obedient Servant... Lee Newbill of North Idaho Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders www.geocities.com/northscribe - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:44:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, Lynn Kirby wrote: > Lee, I pick up a copy of "Man Made Mobile" from the > Boston Bookstore, in Rocky Mount, North Carolina about Lynn Do they have a website? Your Most Obedient Servant... Lee Newbill of North Idaho Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders www.geocities.com/northscribe - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:30:31 -0700 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: fort orleans found northwoods you are quite correct for wisconson law---I just opened up the book that i refered you to and scanned it a bit---they refer to section 45.04 of the wisconson administrative code---that is for medal detector usage primarily on lands used administered and such for the state---it even has a form to get a metal detector permit---form # is 9400-239 it also referes to the archaeological resources protection act (ARPA) of 1979 and the antiquities act of 1909---also in the book on page 17 is a reprint of the "national society of metal detectors news and report dated sept 1 1993---and the title of it reads---Federal appeals court rules that the ARPA applies to privet property also ----also in the same book that I was refering you to is a reprint of the laws the AA of 1906 and the ARPA of 1979---the original as written with the 1998 -90 updates and changes---it also contains the abandoned shipwreck act of 1987 some pretty stiff pentelties are also noted---plus consfication of equipment and vehicals noted--- "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor florida 34684 Phone Number: 1-727-771-1815 E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:29:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Lynn Kirby Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such I believe they do, however I got ahold of them through Bookfinder.com Its a pretty good website you just list the title of the book you want and it list where you can find copies of it. Also you can compare prices some other copies of Man Made Mobile were selling for as much as 75.00 at the same time I found my copy. - --- Lee Newbill wrote: > On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, Lynn Kirby wrote: > > Lee, I pick up a copy of "Man Made Mobile" from > the > > Boston Bookstore, in Rocky Mount, North Carolina > about > > Lynn > > Do they have a website? > > Your Most Obedient Servant... > > Lee Newbill of North Idaho > Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders > www.geocities.com/northscribe > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:05:04 -0700 From: "John C. Funk, Jr." Subject: MtMan-List: Man Made Mobile Lee, et al... If I'm not mistaken, Man Made Mobile (Smithsonian Institution Press) IS in reprint. I'm looking at a receipt for my copy (soft bound), $19.00, from the Book Warehouse, 1505 Capital Blvd., #148, Raleigh, NC 27603. Bought it on 6/16/99. Don't have a phone # or a Web address. I think I had located it through exploration of some various book locator sights. Good luck, John Funk - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:39:02 -0400 From: tom roberts Subject: MtMan-List: Quills Hello all, My resident quill plucker is hard at work in the kitchen trying to tame the porcupine hide into giving up the quills and she's wondering if there's a better way of accomplishing this task without breaking the quills. Any thoughts? The technique currently being tried is to cut the hide into strips and pull the quills from the exposed edges. Tom - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:46:33 EDT From: MIA3WOLVES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Quills I use needle nose pliers to pluck quills. Grasp them at the base of the quill and yank. I only pluck as many as I am ready to dye and quill with as it is a boring and tedious task. The hide I use is dried. YMOS Maryln Adams Red Hawk Quillwork - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:59:12 -0700 From: "Michael W. Finnie" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Quills I reckon this must be a dead quill-pig. If'n it wuz a live one, the easiest way is just to throw an old blanket over him/her and they'll shcuck their quills right into the fabric. Yr most obedient and oft-quilled servant Mike At 07:46 PM 7/15/00 -0400, you wrote: >I use needle nose pliers to pluck quills. Grasp them at the base of the >quill and yank. I only pluck as many as I am ready to dye and quill with as >it is a boring and tedious task. The hide I use is dried. > >YMOS > >Maryln Adams >Red Hawk Quillwork > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:20:16 -0400 From: tom roberts Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Quills Next time I think we'll try the live one! This quill plucking is tough going. We were hoping there might be a soak of some kind which would loosen them. I'm sure curious how they would shuck the quills when live, yet they cling so tenaciously after death. Another mystery. Tom "Michael W. Finnie" wrote: > I reckon this must be a dead quill-pig. If'n it wuz a live one, the easiest > way is just to throw an old blanket over him/her and they'll shcuck their > quills right into the fabric. > > Yr most obedient and oft-quilled servant > > Mike - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:50:33 -0700 From: hail.eris@gte.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Quills > Next time I think we'll try the live one! This quill plucking > is tough going. We were hoping there might be a soak of > some kind which would loosen them. I'm sure curious > how they would shuck the quills when live, yet they cling > so tenaciously after death. Another mystery. They don't shuck them. The quills pull out if stuck into flesh. Maybe they can be pulled by impaling a piece of leather with them, and then pulling on the leather. Once out, you could simply push them all the way through the leather scrap. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:07:37 -0700 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Quills - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 5:50 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Quills Once out, you could simply push > them all the way through the leather scrap. Burlap sack works so much easier. I remain.... YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:09:30 -0500 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such You might want to bookmark this site: http://lamar.colostate.edu/~bott/usedbook.htm It lists several new and used book links. Look around a little more and you might find even better deals... northwoods - -----Original Message----- From: Lee Newbill To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: July 15, 2000 1:41 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such >On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, northwoods wrote: >> You may want to check out some used book links to find books cheaper, I >> looked in Bookfinder.com and found several of Beaties books for around $40. > >Northwoods.... > >I had forgotton about that site, appreciate it much > >Your Most Obedient Servant... > >Lee Newbill of North Idaho >Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders >www.geocities.com/northscribe > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:09:08 -0600 From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Quills Tom, I always used quills from a dead one. They are found in woods quite often, since predators tend to eat all but the quills. The quills then are easy to gather and being home. You do need to clean and steralize them. A mild solution of bleach and water works well. Quills are one of the list of items I gather when ever I find it in the wild. Other things in the list are: tinder, fat wood, flint, berries, edible mushrooms, cordage, sharpening stones, etc... mike. p.s. I've skinned a porcupine a time or two, so I need to ask, how did you like it? tom roberts wrote: > Hello all, > > My resident quill plucker is hard at work in the kitchen > trying to tame the porcupine hide into giving up the quills > and she's wondering if there's a better way of accomplishing > this task without breaking the quills. Any thoughts? The > technique currently being tried is to cut the hide into strips > and pull the quills from the exposed edges. > > Tom > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 00:25:25 -0400 From: tom roberts Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Quills Mike, We hadn't even considered sterilizing these things but it sure makes sense. Our "gather" lists are similar except there's not too much flint around these parts. Also, there was a fellow at the Nationals who reaffirmed what my thinking is on wild mushrooms. Every one belongs to the classification of "Leverite" meaning: leave 'er right where she grows. I didn't skin this fellow, we got the hide while visiting a taxidermist in Idaho. I'm thinking that skinning one of these critters would best be done using long tools and very heavy gloves. Tom Mike Moore wrote: > Tom, > I always used quills from a dead one. They are found in woods > quite often, since predators tend to eat all but the quills. The quills > then > are easy to gather and being home. You do need to clean and > steralize them. A mild solution of bleach and water works well. > Quills are one of the list of items I gather when ever I find it in > the wild. Other things in the list are: tinder, fat wood, flint, > berries, edible mushrooms, cordage, sharpening stones, etc... > mike. > p.s. I've skinned a porcupine a time or two, so I need to ask, how > did you like it? - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:38:19 -0700 From: "Poorboy" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Quills Klahowya My Friends, I must concur with the good Capt., burlap is the tool to use. It will grip the quills nicely, and then they are easily pushed through for removal. I have used the burlap method for some years. It allows one to gather the quills from a road kill without fusing the carcass home. Lay the burlap on the ground, roll the carcass onto it, lift the edges of the burlap and roll the carcass back and forth, gather the burlap and take home. Carry a couple of pieces of burlap as all of the quills may not come the first time. YMOS PoorBoy Knowledge of the past is the key to the future....use it and open the door. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #592 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.