From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #599 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, July 30 2000 Volume 01 : Number 599 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: "Pablo's Big Adventure" -       MtMan-List: help on dating old letter -       Re: MtMan-List: Coppersmiths -       MtMan-List: Re: Dennis Miles Trade Goods -       MtMan-List: Pillaged Americans, 1808 -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Dennis Miles Trade Goods -       Re: MtMan-List: Pillaged Americans, 1808 -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Dennis Miles Trade Goods -       Re: MtMan-List: Pillaged Americans, 1808 -       Re: MtMan-List: Saddles & Such (canteen) -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Dennis Miles Trade Goods -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Dennis Miles Trade Goods -       MtMan-List: Re: What to do with the pretty thang? -       Re: MtMan-List: help on dating old letter -       Re: MtMan-List: help on dating old letter -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: What to do with the pretty thang? -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: What to do with the pretty thang? -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Dennis Miles Trade Goods -       Re: MtMan-List: Coppersmiths -       Re: MtMan-List: Saddles & Such -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Dennis Miles Trade Goods -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: What to do with the pretty thang? -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: What to do with the pretty thang? -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Dennis Miles Trade Goods ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 29 Jul 2000 15:45:17 -0700 From: buck.conner@uswestmail.net Subject: MtMan-List: "Pablo's Big Adventure" Pablo replied to one list but missed this list so here's the last message on "Pablo's Big Adventure", from the humble one. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks to each and all who have called, e-mailed, and written. I am now back at home, and although the pneumonia is not yet fully contained in either lung, it was thought that 36 hours of I.V. antibiotics will be sufficient to make me get well (together with numerous pills, and threats as to future treatment options). Besides, every three days they change the I.V. site, and after watching the nice nurse from another country unsuccessfully gouge four holes in my arms in an vain attempt to insert the first I.V., while cursing in what I later learned was Tagalong, that my veins were "frightened," I decided to take my chances with my Wife. God Bless and Keep all Doctors, Nurses and Nurse Aides, and etc., but remember that one must always retain a sense of humor when in their cluthes. So for now, Dennis will not get all of my gear and trade goods. My best to each of you. Paul, or, in truth, Pablo the very Humble ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Later. Buck Conner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ AMM ~ NRA ~ Lenape Society ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ Aux Aliments de Pays! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 18:53:37 EDT From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: help on dating old letter GUYS NEED HELP IN DATING A OLD LETTER ON THE LETTER IT READS SUNDAY 9TH 181? ITS MIGHT BE A 6 ARE 8.DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A WEB SITE WERE I MIGHT LOOK. traphand@aol.com thanks rick - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:08:35 -0400 From: "Dennis Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coppersmiths Buck Conner "thanks Dennis for being a "KID" and squeeling." But he threatened me Buck..(whiney voice inseted) And I was afeared.... Acourse, according to my lovely Wife, if Pablo can catch pneumonia in mid-Summer in Texas, he would be toes up in 20 minutes here... (He wants to come to a Winter camp) D - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:59:05 EDT From: Wind1838@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Dennis Miles Trade Goods Mr. Roberts: Tom . . . I can't understand why you're having trouble with any forged item from Dennis Miles. Are you sure you know how to use a knife, axe, and two rings ? I know when mountaineers see the sparse plunder I carry, the first thing they tell me . . . when they see my (DM) butcher knife and my (DM) hatchet is "M'am, if you find this hatchet and knife missing, I feel it only fair to tell you that you should look for them in my camp." Those that know the best, just KNOW the best. I'd get rid of my Hudson''s Bay blanket and my elk hide before I'd ever get rid of anything Dennis Miles made. And, in all honesty, he didn't pay me to speak highly of him. Truth be known, I've never met the gentleman. So, again, Tom, are you sure you know how to use a knife ? Wind1838@aol.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1980 21:10:36 -0600 From: Angela Gottfred Subject: MtMan-List: Pillaged Americans, 1808 Still reading the new edition of the Journals of Alexander Henry the Younger, & came across this entry for 14 Sept 1809, made at Fort Vermilion (near Vermilion, Alberta), and quite some distance from the Missouri: "Last year it is true we got some Beaver from them [Blackfeet], but it was the spoils of War. Having fell upon a party of Americans on the Missouri, they stripped them of everything they had, and brought off a quantity of Beaver Skins." (Gough 2:397) Which Americans would have been the targets of these pillaging Blackfeet? Manuel Lisa's group? Is there any record of this from an American journal? Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:32:06 -0400 From: tom roberts Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Dennis Miles Trade Goods Yes Ma'am I believe I do, and I've got a hole in my shirt to prove it. In fact, you saw one of our DM knives (the one that made that hole) just a few weeks ago. I knew I was taking a chance with some risky humor at Dennis' expense and I sure don't want this to get any more out of hand. Most of the DM items I own are razor sharp and one would have to put up a helluva fight to take one from me. This time, he made some iron rings for a pouch strap and I had threatened, in jest, to poke fun at him on list about how dull his latest offering was. He said "go ahead", and I, perhaps too vigorously, did just that. I will likely not do so again. I tip my hat (and jug) to the fine crafter of metal for being a good sport in spite of his probable desire to separate me from my scalp. And yes, you do pack admirably light. Tom Wind1838@aol.com wrote: > Mr. Roberts: > > Tom . . . > > I can't understand why you're having trouble with any forged item from Dennis > Miles. Are you sure you know how to use a knife, axe, and two rings ? > > I know when mountaineers see the sparse plunder I carry, the first thing they > tell me . . . when they see my (DM) butcher knife and my (DM) hatchet is > > "M'am, if you find this hatchet and knife missing, I feel it only fair to > tell you that you should look for them in my camp." > > Those that know the best, just KNOW the best. I'd get rid of my Hudson''s > Bay blanket and my elk hide before I'd ever get rid of anything Dennis Miles > made. And, in all honesty, he didn't pay me to speak highly of him. Truth > be known, I've never met the gentleman. > > So, again, Tom, are you sure you know how to use a knife ? > > Wind1838@aol.com > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:33:21 EDT From: Ssturtle1199@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pillaged Americans, 1808 Fall of 1808 was when John Potts and John Colter were caught on the Jefferson by the Blackfeet. Potts was killed, Colter dumped his traps in the Jefferson and it was the beginning of the infamous Colter's Run. My books give no reference to furs being taken, but possible???? Quote "A Life Wild and Perilous" by Utley. Pg 18 "Other trapping parties out of Fort Raymond also tested the Three Forks country during the fall hunt of 1808, but the growing rancor of the Blackfeet discouraged thorough work" - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:57:02 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Dennis Miles Trade Goods Oh Hell Tom, Now yer gonna make his head swell up, and poor Gwen will just have to get out her pole axe and put him in his place again. Pendleton - -----Original Message----- From: tom roberts To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Saturday, July 29, 2000 8:32 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Dennis Miles Trade Goods Yes Ma'am I believe I do, and I've got a hole in my shirt to prove it. In fact, you saw one of our DM knives (the one that made that hole) just a few weeks ago. I knew I was taking a chance with some risky humor at Dennis' expense and I sure don't want this to get any more out of hand. Most of the DM items I own are razor sharp and one would have to put up a helluva fight to take one from me. This time, he made some iron rings for a pouch strap and I had threatened, in jest, to poke fun at him on list about how dull his latest offering was. He said "go ahead", and I, perhaps too vigorously, did just that. I will likely not do so again. I tip my hat (and jug) to the fine crafter of metal for being a good sport in spite of his probable desire to separate me from my scalp. And yes, you do pack admirably light. Tom Wind1838@aol.com wrote: > Mr. Roberts: > > Tom . . . > > I can't understand why you're having trouble with any forged item from Dennis > Miles. Are you sure you know how to use a knife, axe, and two rings ? > > I know when mountaineers see the sparse plunder I carry, the first thing they > tell me . . . when they see my (DM) butcher knife and my (DM) hatchet is > > "M'am, if you find this hatchet and knife missing, I feel it only fair to > tell you that you should look for them in my camp." > > Those that know the best, just KNOW the best. I'd get rid of my Hudson''s > Bay blanket and my elk hide before I'd ever get rid of anything Dennis Miles > made. And, in all honesty, he didn't pay me to speak highly of him. Truth > be known, I've never met the gentleman. > > So, again, Tom, are you sure you know how to use a knife ? > > Wind1838@aol.com > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 00:21:20 EDT From: GHickman@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pillaged Americans, 1808 agottfre@telusplanet.net writes: > Which Americans would have been the targets of these pillaging Blackfeet? > Manuel Lisa's group? Is there any record of this from an American journal?>> Check out this site: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/mmarch.html There is a reference to blackfeet attacking and stealing furs in the 1811 Lisa document. There is also another article on the 1810 activities around Three Forks. It seems to me that there is a reference here too. These may be later than your reference, but they are good reading. YMOS Ghosting Wolf - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:42:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles & Such (canteen) Sorry. Forgot to mention the canteen. I carry an old metal (steel I think) one quart British military canteen with the blue enamel spout and a cork. I took a file and got rid of the blue enamel on the outside of the spout, lined it with a mixture of 50% bees wax and 50% parafin wax from a regular white emergency candle. Next I covered it with a wool cover and then again with another white canvas cover and shoulder strap. From all outward appearances it looks like the tin or copper canteens of the period (looks like the one on Page 59 (plate #4) of the "Collectors Illustrated Encyhclopedia of the American Revolution" by George C. Neumann and Frank J. Kravic. Yes it is a little early, but I believe canteen of this type were around during our period. I tied a knot in the strap because I designed it to be slung over my shoulder when hiking and this shortened it so I can hang it over the horn of my saddle. Then I tie it to the saddle to keep it in place. I would strongly recommend a metal canteen and not a wood or gourd one. They get knocked around pretty good and the metal will hold up. Hope that helps. Best Regards, Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488 ________________________________________________________________________________ At 09:38 AM 07/28/2000 -0600, you wrote: >John Funk wrote: > >You don't mention what "Item" you wish to carry. There are saddle bags, = pommel bags and one could even sport a pack frame if necessary. John, If you look at Jerry Zaslow's list he pretty well covers the pile. Except for meat. I wanna take meat along else there might not be as much of me coming back as leaving. Also wondered about nixing the fry pan and making a set of New Mexican Skewers. Maybe Two feet long? Lastly Jerry did not meantion a canteen. Since I have nothing that remotely resembles a period canteen I would be happy to not bring one, but there is nothing like a thirsty spell to change your mind. Any thoughts? > >If it came to caring a pack I believe it would be on a second horse not me. As to saddle bags can they be documented or are they something we have stolen from earlier or later period? I remember seeing pommel bags on one of the saddles in a drawing on Dean site that was fairly close to period, but nothing in Miller or the descriptions I remember resembles saddle bags. > >Please excuse the disjointedness of the thoughts above > >WY > > > > > > > > >
>

John Funk wrote:

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You don't mention what "Item" you wish to carry. There are saddle bags, = >pommel bags and one could even sport a pack frame if necessary. John, If you >look at Jerry Zaslow’s list he pretty well covers the pile. Except for meat. I >wanna take meat along else there might not be as much of me coming back as >leaving. Also wondered about nixing the fry pan and making a set of New Mexican >Skewers. Maybe Two feet long? Lastly Jerry did not meantion a canteen. Since I >have nothing that remotely resembles a period canteen I would be happy to not >bring one, but there is nothing like a thirsty spell to change your mind. Any >thoughts?

>

If it came to caring a pack I believe it would be on a second horse not me. >As to saddle bags can they be documented or are they something we have stolen >from earlier or later period? I remember seeing pommel bags on one of the >saddles in a drawing on Dean site that was fairly close to period, but nothing >in Miller or the descriptions I remember resembles saddle bags.

>

Please excuse the disjointedness of the thoughts above

>

WY

> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:16:19 -0400 From: "Dennis Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Dennis Miles Trade Goods Pendleton Wrote" "Gwen will just have to get out her pole axe and put him in his place again. " Larry, You KNOW Gwen does that as a matter of course with that damned warclub every week or so.. ( I REALLY like it too!!) D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning" - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:18:11 -0400 From: "Dennis Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Dennis Miles Trade Goods Miss Laura, Thank You, Ma'am. Mr Roberts.. :-P PTTTTHHHhhhhttthhhhh! D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning" - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:56:02 -0500 From: jdsteach@dwave.net Subject: MtMan-List: Re: What to do with the pretty thang? Greetings again, List! Had a notion and thought I would bounce it off you all. When I first got started in this reenactment and black powder venture, I picked up a pretty T/C Hawken right away. So bright, so brassy, so not period to anything. I am left handed and the thing is right handed...hense the cheek piece is on the wrong side...useless. I have just redone a couple of milsurp rifles and was wondering about ...gulp, tearing down the T/C and making it look closer to a firearm used by a man of the woods and hills. Possibly shave down the cheek piece, brown the barrel(instead of the blue), change the sights to something more period... I don't know what to do with the brass furniture. Let it dull up? Or would this be some sort of desecration? What do you think? Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions. JDS - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:00:59 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: help on dating old letter http://www.cmmei.com/calendar.htm Traphand Try here. YMOS Lanney Ratcliff - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:14:40 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: help on dating old letter Sunday the 9th 181? could be: Sept or Dec 1810 June 1811 Feb or Aug 1812 May 1813 Jan or Oct 1814 Apr or July 1815 June 1816 Feb, March or Nov 1817 Aug 1818 May 1819 http://www.cmmei.com/calendar.htm - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:33:43 EDT From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: What to do with the pretty thang? JDS, What you are asking has been done by many. You have a zillion options. As for the cheekpiece, it is no problem to rasp it down to get rid of it. Browning the barrel is no big deal either, and all you have to do is degrease it thoroughly and apply any of the browning solutions right over the blue, and they will take in most cases. The lock is color cased, but if you disassemble it, and sand the lockplate and hammer with 600 grit wet sandpaper, you can apply Birchwood Casey plum brown to them and have a nice browned lock. Replacement hardware for the TC is sold by several manufacturers in iron. Dixie has the conversion listed in their catalog. Track of the Wolf also might have it, as does The GunWorks. Several companies also offer a set of primitive replacement sights which use the existing dovetail and screw holes. Instead of the brass nosecap, it is very easy to pour a pewter nosecap. You could even pour a pewter capbox, using the existing mortice as a mold. Some thinning and re-profiling of the wood can completely change the looks of the gun. Pecatonica sells replacement stocks in curly maple, either half or full stock and all your existing hardware will transfer over to it. Lots of ways to take your parts and turn them into a more near period correct piece. I did one from parts I had laying around, and it looks like an English Sporting rifle now. The possibilities are limited only by your skills and imagination. Dave Kanger - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:37:16 -0700 (PDT) From: S Jones Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: What to do with the pretty thang? - --- jdsteach@dwave.net wrote: > Greetings again, List! > Had a notion and thought I would bounce it off you > all. > When I first got started in this reenactment and > black powder venture, I > picked up a pretty T/C Hawken right away. So > bright, so brassy, so not > period to anything. > I am left handed and the thing is right > handed...hense the cheek piece > is on the wrong side...useless. I have just redone > a couple of milsurp > rifles and was wondering about ...gulp, tearing > down the T/C and making > it look closer to a firearm used by a man of the > woods and hills. > Possibly shave down the cheek piece, brown the > barrel(instead of the > blue), change the sights to something more period... > I don't know what to do with the brass furniture. > Let it dull up? > Or would this be some sort of desecration? > What do you think? > Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions. > > JDS I modified my T/C Hawken to suit me, not the next caretaker of the rifle. Anyone saying that resale value is kaput is full of pe-pe-ca-ca. Cut off the cheekpiece and while I was at it shaved 3/8 inch off the top of the buttstock for a lower drop. Used the cleaning patches full of black powder fouling to tarnish the brass furniture. As for finishes, I used a mixture of linseed oil, beeswax and turpentine (equal parts). Melt the beeswax and stir in the liquids (no boiling or simmering, just heat slowly) I experimented with sights until I settled on a peep sight (bifocals nowadays) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jul 2000 09:51:55 -0700 From: buck.conner@uswestmail.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Dennis Miles Trade Goods On Sat, 29 July 2000, tom roberts wrote: > I own are razor sharp and one would have to > put up a helluva fight to take one from me. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` Damn Dennis !!! I can only cut lettuce with the ones I got from you ??? Later. Buck Conner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ AMM ~ NRA ~ Lenape Society ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ Aux Aliments de Pays! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jul 2000 09:54:40 -0700 From: buck.conner@uswestmail.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coppersmiths On Sat, 29 July 2000, "Dennis Miles" wrote: > > Buck Conner > "thanks Dennis for being a "KID" and squeeling." > > But he threatened me Buck..(whiney voice inseted) And I was afeared.... > Acourse, according to my lovely Wife, if Pablo can catch pneumonia in > mid-Summer in Texas, he would be toes up in 20 minutes here... > (He wants to come to a Winter camp) > D ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Isn't that the truth, say out of the Rockies Pablo. Later. Buck Conner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ AMM ~ NRA ~ Lenape Society ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ Aux Aliments de Pays! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:28:16 -0700 From: "John C. Funk, Jr." Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles & Such This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01BFFA10.DF431740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wynn, As mentioned, it all boils down to wright, weight, weight. As for = skewers, cut willow (instead of packing pointee metal stuff) or some = safe (nontoxic) branch to cook meat on. Meat can be had most anywhere = within the wilderness setting if you willing to forrage. If you take = meat, wrap it in (bees) waxed canvas or possibly brown paper. Will last = for about 5 to 7 days depending....=20 Don't think of saddle bags in the conventional sense. I've sewed some = out of canvas similiar to a set of haversacks. The're lightweight and = can hold about anything. Ya can't tell me a haversack was never slung = over a critters backside. Another set can be made for pommel bags. = Size and dimentions are up to you. I've also sewn a "canteen" out of alum boiled fine canvas which was then = boiled in beeswax. Seeps some but also keep the water cooler as = evaperation kicks in. I've thought about covering it with "hair on" = mule deer hide to give it a little more protection from rough treatment. = Few folks carried or possesed "fine" gear and a lot of stuff was = fabricated out of what was at hand. Good luck, John Funk - ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01BFFA10.DF431740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wynn,
As mentioned, it all boils down to wright, weight,=20 weight.  As for skewers, cut willow (instead of packing pointee = metal=20 stuff) or some safe (nontoxic) branch to cook meat on. Meat can be had = most=20 anywhere within the wilderness setting if you willing to forrage. If you = take=20 meat, wrap it in (bees) waxed canvas or = possibly brown=20 paper.  Will last for about 5 to 7 days depending....
 
Don't think of saddle bags in the conventional = sense. =20 I've sewed some out of canvas similiar to a set of haversacks.  = The're=20 lightweight and can hold about anything.  Ya can't tell me a = haversack was=20 never slung over a critters backside.  Another set can be made for = pommel=20 bags.  Size and dimentions are up to you.
 
I've also sewn a "canteen" out of alum boiled fine = canvas=20 which was then boiled in beeswax.  Seeps some but also keep the = water=20 cooler as evaperation kicks in.   I've thought = about covering it=20 with "hair on" mule deer hide to give it a little more protection = from=20 rough treatment.
 
Few folks carried or possesed "fine" gear and a lot = of stuff=20 was fabricated out of what was at hand.
 
Good luck,
John Funk
- ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01BFFA10.DF431740-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:30:44 -0400 From: "Dennis Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Dennis Miles Trade Goods >Buck Wrote< " I can only cut lettuce with the ones I got from you ???" What ever makes you happy, O Wise One.... D - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:54:30 -0400 From: "John Hunt" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: What to do with the pretty thang? Vinegar does a good job of removing the bluing from the barrel. Then wash with baking soda and water mixture to neutralize the acid in the vinegar. LARRY P. the hog fat you mentioned you make tallow from is really lard. Hog fat contains natural salt, could be corrosive on metal if used. Beef suet is very good tallow. I was under the impression the mountainmen and indians used buff for tallow. beef being a close cousin of buffalo to me seems better. John (BIG JOHN) Hunt longhunter mountainman Southwest, Ohio - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 11:34 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: What to do with the pretty thang? > JDS, > > What you are asking has been done by many. You have a zillion options. > As for the cheekpiece, it is no problem to rasp it down to get rid of it. > Browning the barrel is no big deal either, and all you have to do is degrease > it thoroughly and apply any of the browning solutions right over the blue, > and they will take in most cases. > > The lock is color cased, but if you disassemble it, and sand the lockplate > and hammer with 600 grit wet sandpaper, you can apply Birchwood Casey plum > brown to them and have a nice browned lock. > > Replacement hardware for the TC is sold by several manufacturers in iron. > Dixie has the conversion listed in their catalog. Track of the Wolf also > might have it, as does The GunWorks. Several companies also offer a set of > primitive replacement sights which use the existing dovetail and screw holes. > > Instead of the brass nosecap, it is very easy to pour a pewter nosecap. You > could even pour a pewter capbox, using the existing mortice as a mold. Some > thinning and re-profiling of the wood can completely change the looks of the > gun. Pecatonica sells replacement stocks in curly maple, either half or full > stock and all your existing hardware will transfer over to it. > > Lots of ways to take your parts and turn them into a more near period correct > piece. > I did one from parts I had laying around, and it looks like an English > Sporting rifle now. The possibilities are limited only by your skills and > imagination. > > Dave Kanger > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:45:45 -0700 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: What to do with the pretty thang? JDS, My first gun was a 50 cal. TC percussion. It is now hard to identify it as a TC anything after I got through with it some 20 years ago. Along with what you already suggest doing, you can cut the nose cap off just half way through the ram rod hole (horizontally) , clean it up so it looks like it was made that way (still lots of brass there to file away) and add a nice brass entry pipe behind it or Pure a pewter nose cap in it's place with a brass entry pipe. You can do some filing on the butt plate top to disguise it (some flats and facets to change it's profile). Remove the rear mount on the trigger guard and lay the curl so it lays flat against the underside of the stock. Sand off the cheek piece. Leave the patch box or replace it with a larger one that covers the original hole. Covert it to flint to make it more reliable and of an earlier period (most if not all the guns used in the RMFT were full stock flint locks not percussion's) In fact if you covered it to flint with a new barrel and the touch hole on the left side (to accommodate your leftyness) You could fill the old lock plate in with a nice inlay. Design slightly different wedge plates to camo the original shapes. Try your hand at metal engraving on the brass. Let the brass go dull naturally or replace it with iron mountings. Lots of ideas of what you can do. Hope that it helps. I remain..... YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 7:56 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Re: What to do with the pretty thang? > Greetings again, List! > Had a notion and thought I would bounce it off you all. > When I first got started in this reenactment and black powder venture, I > picked up a pretty T/C Hawken right away. So bright, so brassy, so not > period to anything. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jul 2000 12:59:08 -0700 From: buck.conner@uswestmail.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Dennis Miles Trade Goods On Sun, 30 July 2000, "Dennis Miles" wrote: > >Buck Wrote< > " I can only cut lettuce with the ones I got from you ???" > What ever makes you happy, O Wise One.... > D ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Concho figured it out - we turned the blade over, thanks "Kid". Later. 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