From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #628 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, September 20 2000 Volume 01 : Number 628 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Transportation for mountain men--mules taste -       MtMan-List: mystic symbols -       MtMan-List: Going to Eastern Vous -       Re: MtMan-List: mystic symbols -       Re: MtMan-List: mystic symbols -       Re: MtMan-List: Going to Eastern Vous -       MtMan-List: phases of the moon -       MtMan-List: Symposium -       MtMan-List: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:15:27 -0500 -       Re: MtMan-List: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:15:27 -0500 -       Re: MtMan-List: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:15:27 -0500 -       Re: MtMan-List: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:15:27 -0500 -       MtMan-List: Tap Tap Tap -       Re: MtMan-List: Tap Tap Tap -       Re: MtMan-List: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:15:27 -0500 -       MtMan-List: swords in the furtrade? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:52:34 EDT From: Huss931@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Transportation for mountain men--mules taste When I was doing my research for my book on mountain man, Robert Campbell, I found several comments about eating "young colt with wild onions." I did not find anything about eating mules! However, if one is hungry enough, even iguana would be okay. Actually, mules are more muscular and the marbling one finds with fat in the meat would probably be less in horses than in mules. At least that is what a horse-shoer friend of mine says. I have not eaten either-- nor, do I have any plans to do so. My wife ate horse in France years ago-- she says that it "did not taste like chicken." Take care, Steve - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:06:11 +0200 From: "Pavel Grund" Subject: MtMan-List: mystic symbols This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0219B.20AF9800 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0014_01C0219B.20AF9800" - ------=_NextPart_001_0014_01C0219B.20AF9800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo Concho and all I have true interest of MYSTIC symbols in relation to guns, not of trade = marks or proof marks. I will attache picture of symbols crooked heart, = X-cross and eight-tips star. This symbols was used as decoration on rifles, on stock, and was from = brass or silver. Beside decoration it has denotation for luck. In Europe = is know different "shooters witchcraft", mainly from the Middle Ages, = but until last century. Once again: Knows everybody how amount have diferent symbols and in what times and = teritory was used? Thank you for all answers! Peggy - ------=_NextPart_001_0014_01C0219B.20AF9800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hallo Concho and all
 
I have true interest = of MYSTIC symbols in=20 relation to guns, not of trade marks or proof marks. I will attache  picture of symbols crooked heart, = X-cross and=20 eight-tips star.
This symbols was used as decoration on rifles, on stock, and was = from brass=20 or silver. Beside decoration it has denotation for luck. In Europe is = know=20 different "shooters witchcraft", mainly from the Middle Ages, = but until=20 last century.
 
Once again:
 
Knows everybody how amount have = diferent=20 symbols and in what times and teritory was used?
 
 
Thank you for all = answers!
 
Peggy
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"Addison Miller" Subject: MtMan-List: Going to Eastern Vous Well y'all... heading out tomorrow to go to the Eastern 'Vous... So... I clicked unsubscribe on the lists... Will relog when we get back... Standing invite to all who attend to come see us if ya get there... Just ask at the front gate where the Mouse House is located... Will leave note there... Ad Miller Alderson, WV - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:25:10 EDT From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mystic symbols > I will attache picture of symbols crooked heart, X-cross and eight-tips star. Pavel, There is nothing mystic about the inlay decorations. They evolved from the folklore of the Pennsylvania gunmakers of the US. The crooked heart is known as the "weeping heart." The 8 pointed star is known as the "Hunter's Star" and represents the 8 points of the compass. I don't know about the X-cross, however many different types of crosses were inlet into guns. Most were of French Catholic origin, including the Cross of Lorraine. These were commonly used pieces of trade silver which were traded to the Indians. All the pieces date from the 1700's forward as gun inlays in the US. They were commonly used as good luck charms for the shooter of the gun, and later they just became decorative elements of the Pennsylvania style longrifle. Other common inlays included the fish, the eagle, and the acorn. Dave Kanger - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:50:30 -0700 From: "Larry Huber" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mystic symbols This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C0216F.06CDA200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Peggy, The "X-cross" is also known as "St. Andrew's Cross" and is part of = the motif on the British Flag. St. Andrew was crucified on a cross of = this making, spread-eagle. Like the Cross of Lorraine, it is a = decorative element introduced by Jesuits and other missionaries into the = Native American culture and, no doubt, found it's way into the stocks of = Christian pioneers. Larry Huber =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Pavel Grund=20 To: ve=F8ejn=E1 konference US MM=20 Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 9:06 AM Subject: MtMan-List: mystic symbols Hallo Concho and all =20 I have true interest of MYSTIC symbols in relation to guns, not of = trade marks or proof marks. I will attache picture of symbols crooked = heart, X-cross and eight-tips star. This symbols was used as decoration on rifles, on stock, and was from = brass or silver. Beside decoration it has denotation for luck. In Europe = is know different "shooters witchcraft", mainly from the Middle Ages, = but until last century. Once again: Knows everybody how amount have diferent symbols and in what times and = teritory was used? Thank you for all answers! Peggy - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C0216F.06CDA200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Peggy,
    The "X-cross" is = also known as=20 "St. Andrew's Cross" and is part of the motif on the British Flag.  = St.=20 Andrew was crucified on a cross of this making, spread-eagle.  Like = the=20 Cross of Lorraine, it is a decorative element introduced by Jesuits and = other=20 missionaries into the Native American culture and, no doubt, found it's = way into=20 the stocks of Christian pioneers.
 
Larry Huber
   
  
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Pavel Grund
To: ve=F8ejn=E1=20 konference US MM
Sent: Monday, September 18, = 2000 9:06=20 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: mystic = symbols

Hallo Concho and = all
 
I have true interest = of MYSTIC symbols=20 in relation to guns, not of trade marks or proof marks. I will = attache  picture of symbols crooked = heart, X-cross=20 and eight-tips star.
This symbols was used as decoration on rifles, on stock, and was = from=20 brass or silver. Beside decoration it has denotation for luck. In = Europe is=20 know different "shooters witchcraft", mainly from the Middle Ages,=20 but until last century.
 
Once again:
 
Knows everybody how amount have = diferent=20 symbols and in what times and teritory was used?
 
 
Thank you for all = answers!
 
Peggy
- ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C0216F.06CDA200-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:19:59 -0400 From: "Fred A. Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Going to Eastern Vous Addison Miller wrote: > > Well y'all... heading out tomorrow to go to the Eastern 'Vous... So... I > clicked unsubscribe on the lists... > > Will relog when we get back... > > Standing invite to all who attend to come see us if ya get there... Just > ask at the front gate where the Mouse House is located... Will leave note > there... A gun builder friend of mine (Rick Farrel) will be there as well. 'Wanted to go, but toooooo much going on at work. Fred - -- If you listen on a quiet night, you can hear the sound of an NT Server reboot. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:27:40 -0400 From: "John Hunt" Subject: MtMan-List: phases of the moon Does anyone know of a web site for moons ? Example hunters moon, harvest moon, blue moon. I know these but there are several more phases that I would like to know. Thanks John (BIG JOHN) Hunt longhunter mountainman Southwest, Ohio - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:14:44 -0600 From: Todd Glover Subject: MtMan-List: Symposium We're off to the symposium in the morning. Hope to meet some of you there. I'll report on the doins when I return next Monday. HOORAH FOR THE LAND COMMITTEE!!!!! "Teton" Todd D. Glover Poison River Party - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:15:03 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:15:27 -0500 tap, tap, tap......is this thing on???? Lanney Ratcliff - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:33:32 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:15:27 -0500 Nope Ain't nobody here ! Pendleton - -----Original Message----- From: Ratcliff To: History List Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 7:15 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:15:27 -0500 tap, tap, tap......is this thing on???? Lanney Ratcliff - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:21:36 -0400 From: "Dennis Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:15:27 -0500 Just us boogermen..... "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning" - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:46:16 EDT From: Ssturtle1199@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:15:27 -0500 Huh Lanney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:34:47 EDT From: DickSummers@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Tap Tap Tap Lanney Ratcliff wrote, "tap tap tap Is anyone out there?" Good question, Lanney. Who is out there? Seems to me that when most folks ought to hold their tongue, they don't. Then again there are some individuals with burning questions but they aren't comfortable to ask them -- can't imagine why with the way we all embrace diversity on this list. And, of course there are those that ooooooooozzzzzzzze confidence and intellectualism. Skills. Well, I won't even go there because unless we all get on the ground together (and wouldn't that be a doin?) who would know? And who'd be the judge? Enough said, "God bless us every one." That's Dickens who said that, not I. One with you all in our pursuit of history, keep up the good work. Dick Summers P.S. Lanney Ratcliff, thanks for saying "tap, tap, tap" instead of "knock, knock, knock." Who knows where that would have taken us? DS - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:02:33 -0700 From: Randal J Bublitz Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tap Tap Tap Lanney, I've been here, just trying to keep my foot out my mouth by keeping it shut . I've recently become involved in a project, helping a graduated (he turned 18) Junior member earn his brain tanning requirement. It seems he has access to 3/4 dozen deer hides. George and I are gonna help him tan them, with some of the proceeds going to George and I , of course. One can always use some brain tanned deer skins, ya know. Anyway, we have the hides, but need a quantity of brains to do the tanning. Well, I went down to the local 'brain' store to shop for some brains. They had quite a selection. Which kind to buy, I wonders? I notice they have some Mountain Man Brains in a big jar, but they were extraordinarily expensive. This made me proud, of course, but curious. I asked the clerk why Mountain Man brains were soooo expensive per pound? Must be quality, I asked? That clerk answered, Nooo not exactly..... Do you realize how many Mountain Men it takes to get a pound of brains???? hardtack - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 03:14:30 -0700 From: Concho Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:15:27 -0500 On Tue, 19 September 2000, "larry pendleton" wrote: > > Nope Ain't nobody here ! > Pendleton > -----Original Message----- > From: Ratcliff > To: History List > Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 7:15 PM > Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:15:27 -0500 > > > tap, tap, tap......is this thing on???? > Lanney Ratcliff - ------------------------ Just us and your local Fed. In the footsteps of others, D. L. 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