From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #673 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, November 16 2000 Volume 01 : Number 673 In this issue: -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Clark & Son Mercantile -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Clark & Son Mercantile -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Clark & Son Mercantile -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Clark & Son Mercantile -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Clark & Son Mercantile -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: www.savethemissouri.org -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi -牋牋牋 RE: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Canvas covered tip -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: tipi cover mixbloods -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: some thoughts on mixed bloods aka metis -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: tipi cover mixbloods -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: tipi cover mixbloods -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Period ropes & cordage -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Period ropes & cordage -牋牋牋 RE: MtMan-List: some thoughts on mixed bloods aka metis Tomas Ballstaedt -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Period ropes & cordage -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Period ropes & cordage -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Period ropes & cordage -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: hemp fabric and cordage -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Period ropes & cordage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:28:20 EST From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Clark & Son Mercantile I've heard that the company Clark & Son Mercantile has been bought out by someone. Does anyone have an address for the new owner, or know if there is a website for the company? Your help is appreciated. Thanks! Rick Petzoldt Traphand Traphand@Aol.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:41:05 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Clark & Son Mercantile Traphand, The address for Clark & Son Mercantile is listed below. You can find = almost anything using the search engine Google at Google.com. Just open = the site and type in what you need in the single box and strike Search = and it is rare that the site you need isn't displayed practically = instantly. I use no other search engine. Lanney Ratcliff Clark & Son Mercantile: http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:46:55 -0500 From: "Dennis Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Clark & Son Mercantile Hey Lanney! You got stock in Google or somethin'? D PS.. He is right, damn thing works better than any other search engine... Amazing.. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning.." - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:49:41 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Clark & Son Mercantile Hey Lanney! You got stock in Google or somethin'? I wish I did. Really I do....at least at the ipo price. Lanney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:02:02 -0700 From: "Daniel L. Smith" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Clark & Son Mercantile

- ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Clark & Son Mercantile I've heard that =A0the company =A0 Clark & Son Mercantile has been bought out by someone. =A0 =A0Does anyone have an address for the new owner, or know if there is a website for the company? Your help is appreciated. =A0Thanks! Rick Petzoldt Traphand Traphand@Aol.com - ---- End Original Message ---- Rick, Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc. was Buck Conner's brain storm about 6 or 7 years ago, originally he was selling periods edibles (the only one around) in the late 70's early 80's at a store he had in Masonville, CO. called "Buckhorn Rendezvous". Not the selection that is now available through from C&SM. Buck sold the operation in June of this year to Paul W. Jones "Pablo" of the hist_list, the web site is still at the same URL; http://ww.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ "Pablo" has added a few items and still carries the largest part of the originally inventory, he has been working on a new catalog I am told with additional period items, staying with the tradition that C&SM has become known for. As far as Buck, he's still doing the AMM thing, writing, researching for HRD (Historical Research & Development), working on several web sites, plus finishing 2 years of a 3 year contract with the telephone company before retiring. Man, it's hard to get him free for an outing or period trip anymore. Oh one web site should be interesting; Iceman - Indian - Mountain Man comparsions on edibles, equipage and clothing, I'm sure he'll sound out when completed. In fact you don't see "Pablo" or "Buck" on the = list as busy as the pair are, I use to talk to them by e-mail every few days - now it's every few weeks. That's the whole nut, hope that helps.

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- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:36:20 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi In a message dated 11/14/0 03:21:27 PM, manbear@netonecom.net writes: <> I've seen them show up at Rendezvous several times. Some more tastefully done than others. For Painting - see Laubins' book. Paint on wet canvas. R. James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:59:28 -0700 From: "Daniel L. Smith" Subject: MtMan-List: www.savethemissouri.org

Received this and tried to send the other day and for some reason it didn't fly ! Concho. - ----- Original Message ----- Subject: If you had problems with www.savethemissouri.org I haven't looked at this in detail yet but thought I'd forward it... The pitch is: Save the Missouri River and Endangered Species! Speak Out Now to Save the Missouri River and Endangered Species. The US Army Corp of Engineers is in the process of reviewing its Missouri River Master Manual, which will determine how the Corps manages water flow from the dams on the river for the next half century. As recommended by the US Fish and Wildlife Service in its Biological Opinion, the Corps must implement a "spring rise," increasing water flows from the last dam on the river in May and June to prevent the extinction of three endangered and threatened species. Email TODAY to urge the Army Corps of Engineers to do what is right for the people of the Missouri River Basin and its wildlife by adopting the recommendations of the Fish and Wildlife Service in its preferred alternative for the Missouri River Master Manual. You can also get information on how to mail, fax, or phone your opinion. For more information, visit American Rivers' Missouri River Campaign Web site. - ------- End of forwarded message -------

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- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:15:39 -0700 From: Angela Gottfred Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi Welcome to the list, Dianne! I live in Alberta, so we're practically neighbours ;-). (I'm assuming from your e-mail address that you're in Manitoba.) Don't feel guilty for using canvas--like other folks have said, it's a widely-accepted compromise. I also have evidence for tipis being used by fur traders of the HBC & North West Co., particularly c. 1800. The Napoleonic wars diverted the English supply of tent canvas to the British army (the HBC had to get special export permits for trade guns!), and as a result, they were forced to buy tents from local Natives. One case that springs to mind is a trade at the HBC's Edmonton House in the mid-1790's, for Blackfoot tipis. Also, NWC voyageurs spent Manitoba winters 'billeted' with local Natives, e.g. Daniel Williams Harmon's men in the Swan River area, c. 1800. Although they were guests, they spent many months living in tipis. After about 1840, Alexander Ross describes Red River Metis living in tipis when travelling; unfortunately, I have no data for earlier decades. >Now, the persona I am working-up would be a mixed-blood from the east who >partnered up with some traders, traveled up through Sioux country and ended >up planted here in the Hudson Bay Co.'s territory around 1800. Unless you have a personal reason for choosing this character, I suggest you choose somebody whose mixed heritage would be more typical of Manitoba at this time, i.e. Cree, Assiniboine, Ojibway, etc. You'll find it's more fun, & WAY easier to research. There were Metis in Manitoba, even at this early date, if that's what you're concerned about. The first example that springs to mind is Marguerite McKay McLoughlin, daughter of Swiss fur trader Jean-Etienne Wadin. She married Dr. John McLoughlin, and went on to play a significant role in the NWC & HBC at Rainy Lake, Thunder Bay (i.e. Ft. William) and Fort Vancouver. Larry Huber suggested: > Your man will usually live the way you dress him unless he has a strong culture of his own. In Canada at this time, it was almost unheard-of for fur traders to adopt Native dress. (I know of only one case where this happened, and the man involved was criticized by his superiors for 'going Native'.) The North West Company supplied clothing for all their employees & their families, with the exception of shoes (i.e. moccasins) and some other items which were usually made out west. If you'd like some reading about the Manitoba fur trade c. 1800, I'd recommend: Harmon, Daniel Williams. Sixteen Years in the Indian Country : The Journal of Daniel Williams Harmon, 1800-1816. W. Kaye Lamb, ed. Macmillan : Toronto, 1957. *This book is well worth the search!* Henry, Alexander (the Younger). The Journal of Alexander Henry The Younger 1799-1814. Barry Gough, ed. The Champlain Society/University of Toronto Press : Toronto, 1988. ISBN 0-9693425-0-0. *Vol. 1 includes his journal from the Red River & Pembina R. area.* Gates, Charles M. Five Fur Traders of the Northwest : Being the Narrative of Peter Pond and the Diaries of John Macdonell, Archibald N. McLeod, High Faries, and Thomas Connor. Minnesota Historical Society : St. Paul, Minnesota, 1965. *Read John Macdonnel and A.N. McLeod.* Anyway, hopes this helps, Dianne! Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:01:03 -0700 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi Hi Dianne, Walt Marten has a reference of a tipi carried by the Lewis and Clark during the expedition 1804-1805. If you are interested in this reference source. I can give you his email address off line. If you eliminate the flap extensions on a Cheyenne tipi you have a basic Sioux tipi. If you pitch the tipi poles in reverse and face the door south you have the western most Sioux tipi. The Nakota or Assiniboine. Good luck on your project. I think it is a viable one. Walt Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837 Clark Bottom Rendezvous Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:02:52 -0700 From: Dean Rudy Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi Don't know if anybody's mentioned it yet, but Allen Chronister had an article on this very topic in the last Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly. Good research. In short, he gives evidence that cloth tipi covers can be documented as early as 1846 (Lakotas). There was another article on canvas tipi covers in the MFTQ Fall '84. And Marcy mentions canvas tipi covers in "Prairie Traveler" (1859) http://kuhttp.cc.ukans.edu/carrie/kancoll/books/marcy/index.html. This pushes the documentable date back earlier than 1870's, but doesn't quite get you to 1800. If you're a stickler for authenticity and want to document cloth tipi's that early, you could try looking in HBC records for huge purchases of cloth by indians - a tipi would require - what - 50 yards or more? - -Dean At 12:39 PM 11/14/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Howdy ya'll! > >I am brand spanking new to this list, live up in central Canada where we >know what cold IS, and am just getting into "living history". > >Got a question for you folks. I made myself a Cheyenne tipi about 10 years >ago. I wanted to keep everything as authentic as possible but with Buffalo >hides selling upwards of $2000 a piece, I decided to go with canvas (for a >couple hundred dollars). > >Now, the persona I am working-up would be a mixed-blood from the east who >partnered up with some traders, traveled up through Sioux country and ended >up planted here in the Hudson Bay Co.'s territory around 1800. > >I know that there was canvas tents being used at that time but does anybody >see an "authenticity" problem with a canvas tipi? > >The only canvas tipis I have seen in pictures dated from the 1870's and >later in the Dakota territory. > >Thoughts? > >Megwich! > >Dianne > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:31:29 -0600 From: "Best, Dianne" Subject: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tip Thankin' ya'll fer yer kind opinions and thoughts on my canvas covered tipi. I'm going to stick with it as it is. It has been all down through the Dakotas visiting my Sioux friends with it and really enjoy it. Ta answer a few folks questions and comments..... Shoots-the-Prairie said "Just say it's Blackfoot or Sarcee" Well, ya'll know that there were different cuts of covering and different sets to the poles depending on which tribe you was from. My 14-footer is identifiable as Cheyenne from a half mile away. Shoots-the-Prairie asked "What tribe contributed the Indian line?" Hodenoshone (Iroquois), Seneca Nation, Beaver Clan. Don't know much about ancestry - hunting party found me in woods when I was just a child, grew up in Beaver Clan lodge. Must be some European in there somewhere (blue eyes and sandy blond hair) but there is no doubt where the loyalties lie. Hodenoshone is a matriarchal culture and the women don't take no guff from no one! Lots of details (dates, people and places) to be filled in yet but me and hubby and a few others came west in the fall of the year, the year the French invaded Iroquois country and burned all our winter provisions and our villages. Seemed better to get away from all the fighting and leave what little food there was for the rest so some of us worked our way west visiting all our old trading partners and taking advantage of their hospitality. They was all interested and worried about what was going on too. We got as far west as the Missouri by the second winter and things was pretty good there. My old man couldn't sit still and got involved in the fur trade up the Red River. After a bit we moved our base camp up to the Winnipeg River. My old man got sick and died a few years back. I don't know where my People ended up after we left and I don't want to go back where there's so many whitemen and so much fighting, so I just stayed put. Got lots of friends among the Anishinabe here and I now do what's needful to provide for myself. I hunt some (damned fine shot), fish a bit, and do some trapping. I make things from furs and hides and I trade mostly with the H.B.C. on the Winnipeg. Lots of game here - no need to go hungry and the winters are cold but there's lots of cover. My camp sits where the prairies meet the forest and there's lots of company come up and down the river. Thank ya'll fer yer comments. Be seeing ya next time yer up the river! Na Ya Whe Dianne - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:04:37 MST From: "Terrance Luff" Subject: MtMan-List: tipi cover mixbloods HO DEAN if you looking for halfbreed build up , i would agree with angle on picking metis, it will all so open many ave you could build your peson on. with the metis cloth covers on thier tipis was used at early date there has been artis that have pictured halfbloods with cloth tipis in 1810. metis can open alot of trade material use sooner than the average trade circulation for the fur people. if you do choose the metis way please get a hold of me and i will see that you get all the help and info on the plains metis of the fur trade. we hold alot of info that we have gethered over the years on the hiverant metis of the fur trade. all so we have hiverant metis that have been buckskinners sence 1940s and a group that is for metis and friends in bucksinning. cavalier de poney preserve and research metis history bring metis and friends of metis into traditions of hiverant metis _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:18:11 -0800 From: "Thomas Ballstaedt" Subject: MtMan-List: some thoughts on mixed bloods aka metis at the risk of kicking over a hornets nest. I have a few thoughts to add to the debate. I think some of the comments that have been made on this subject. border on racist. not unlike some of the "racial chest beating" that goes on with some ethnic groups in the U.S. today. to say; the metis did this, or the metis did that. or to claim that every person worthy of that title, considered himself or herself part of a sovereign race. I believe at best, is pure speculation. one exeption might be however. there may have been some sort of racial unity among the red river metis people. even with that in mind. was every mixed blood that ventured in to the shinning mountians, or even one out of ten, from there? I seriously doubt it. most are from scatered areas of eastern Canada and the great lakes. I believe that people of mixed native American and European parentage to be of the anglo presence in the west, and I'm sure they did to. just some thoughts; Tom > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Walt Foster > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 6:15 PM > Subject: RE: MtMan-List: "tap"tap"tap" > > > > Hey, > > I send out a controversial e-mail and you guys sleep through it? Ok, try > > this one, > > Walt Foster was incorrect concerning the building of Fort Hall, they were > > not"Metise", > > they were "Mormons". Ha Ha!. > > YMOS > > Ole # 718 > > > > Good yoke Ole, > > > > I am glad you waited until after Veterans Day and the pressure of the vote > > was off to stir up the campfire with your tapping. I think I can make a > > pretty good case for the Metis in the American Fur Trade in Montana and > the > > northern Rockies. Starting with Charbono in 1804. Followed by La Roche > in > > 1805. At my age the easy way is to start a study group at the Peter Yegen > > Jr. Yellowstone County Museum. The one nearby where Magpie flies into > > Billings. Chittenden does a pretty good job as a scientific historian in > > developing the background of the Wyeth attempt to take cuts in the > already > > established contesting for the supremacy sought and won by the American > Fur > > Company when it bought out the rendezvous system in 1834 and closed it > down > > 3 years later. Metis were everywhere around here and I think they were in > > your area also. My interests are in the upper Missouri and the environs > > around what is now called Yellowstone Park....the hub of the northern > rocky > > mountain fur trade in the USA. Good hunting weather here now. Cold. > Just > > right for the winterers. Maybe so a paper will come out of this. This > > winter. I am volunteering on Mondays at the museum for a while. I will > be > > doing something to keep advancing this point about Metis involvement in > the > > rocky mountain fur trade. Many sayings attributed to the mountain men > > stemmed from the Metis working in the fur trade on the American side of > the > > border. Thanks for building up the fire light. > > > > > > Walt > > Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837 > > Clark Bottom Rendezvous > > Yellowstone Canoe Camp > > On the Lewis & Clark Trail > > Park City, Montana > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 00:16:46 -0800 From: "Larry Huber" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tipi cover mixbloods Okay. I'll bite. What artists pictured Metis with canvas covered tipis in 1810? At the rate they were taking buffalo for pemmican there should have been a lot of hides around. Hides are free, canvas isn't. Women made the tipis and their labor was free too(contemporary PC attitudes adjusted to the early 19th century). I'm not saying it didn't happen, just need specific references to educate me. Larry Huber - ----- Original Message ----- From: Terrance Luff To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 8:04 PM Subject: MtMan-List: tipi cover mixbloods > HO DEAN > if you looking for halfbreed build up , i would agree with angle on > picking metis, it will all so open many ave you could build your peson on. > with the metis cloth covers on thier tipis was used at early date > there has been artis that have pictured halfbloods with cloth tipis in 1810. > metis can open alot of trade material use sooner than the average trade > circulation for the fur people. if you do choose the metis way please get a > hold of me and i will see that you get all the help and info on the plains > metis of the fur trade. we hold alot of info that we have gethered over the > years on the hiverant metis of the fur trade. > all so we have hiverant metis that have been buckskinners sence 1940s > and a group that is for metis and friends in bucksinning. > cavalier de poney > > > preserve and research metis history > bring metis and friends of metis > into traditions of hiverant metis > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:44:12 -0800 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tipi cover mixbloods Thanks for asking this question. I have been "lurking" in the background wondering about this. Linda Holley Larry Huber wrote: > Okay. I'll bite. What artists pictured Metis with canvas covered tipis in > 1810? At the rate they were taking buffalo for pemmican there should have > been a lot of hides around. Hides are free, canvas isn't. Women made the > tipis and their labor was free too(contemporary PC attitudes adjusted to the > early 19th century). I'm not saying it didn't happen, just need specific > references to educate me. > > Larry Huber > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terrance Luff > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 8:04 PM > Subject: MtMan-List: tipi cover mixbloods > > > HO DEAN > > if you looking for halfbreed build up , i would agree with angle on > > picking metis, it will all so open many ave you could build your peson on. > > with the metis cloth covers on thier tipis was used at early date > > there has been artis that have pictured halfbloods with cloth tipis in > 1810. > > metis can open alot of trade material use sooner than the average trade > > circulation for the fur people. if you do choose the metis way please get > a > > hold of me and i will see that you get all the help and info on the plains > > metis of the fur trade. we hold alot of info that we have gethered over > the > > years on the hiverant metis of the fur trade. > > all so we have hiverant metis that have been buckskinners sence 1940s > > and a group that is for metis and friends in bucksinning. > > cavalier de poney > > > > > > preserve and research metis history > > bring metis and friends of metis > > into traditions of hiverant metis > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:02:25 -0600 From: "Best, Dianne" Subject: MtMan-List: Period ropes & cordage Beausejour ya'll. Got a question fer ya. What is the proper types of rope and cord for pre-1840 and where do ya find it? When I made my tipi 10 winters back, I couldn't find ANYTHING that wasn't synthetic. I need some 1/2 inch rope for tying poles, etc., and some cord like heavy butchers cord. Be nice to find it in Canada, but whatever..... Thanks ya'll. Jin-o-ta-ka (Dianne) - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:19:00 -0800 From: "Larry Huber" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Period ropes & cordage Dianne, Jute is available if you look hard. I use it to tie together my gear. Unwoven it makes dandy tinder for flint and steel. Try Clark and Son website. A party of AMM brothers in San Diego county make rope out of hemp. They've a rope-making rig that twists twine together. The resulting cordage is again twisted to make thicker rope. Ask for Pat Quilter online at this list. Larry Huber - ----- Original Message ----- From: Best, Dianne To: 'MountainMan Digest' Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 6:02 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Period ropes & cordage > Beausejour ya'll. > > Got a question fer ya. > > What is the proper types of rope and cord for pre-1840 and where do ya find > it? > > When I made my tipi 10 winters back, I couldn't find ANYTHING that wasn't > synthetic. I need some 1/2 inch rope for tying poles, etc., and some cord > like heavy butchers cord. Be nice to find it in Canada, but whatever..... > > Thanks ya'll. > > Jin-o-ta-ka (Dianne) > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:24:35 -0700 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: some thoughts on mixed bloods aka metis Tomas Ballstaedt Hello Tom On page 889 of Chittenden's Volume 2 The American Fur Trade of the Far West: "Dorion, Pierre, a half-breed, and son of the Dorion who accompanied Lewis and Clark on a portion of their expedition across the continent. He was hired by Hunt as an interpreter and joined the overland expedition with his Indian wife and two children." Walt - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:27:40 EST From: TrapRJoe@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Period ropes & cordage - --part1_9c.8fc028e.274564fc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You sure it's hemp. Hemp isn't grown, at least in America legally. - --part1_9c.8fc028e.274564fc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You sure it's hemp. Hemp isn't grown, at least in America legally. - --part1_9c.8fc028e.274564fc_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:37:25 -0500 From: "Dennis Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Period ropes & cordage Hemp twin & ready made rope, hemp canvas and other hemp products are readily available, legally. .. It is inported from overseas.. And it IS NOT the same stuff you smoke.. I have a pair of hemp britches that I have had for 4 yrs now.. They wear like IRON.. And the closest I have come to smoking them is when I get a might close to a fire.. D "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning.." - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:02:44 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Period ropes & cordage http://members.tripod.com/~HuashengGroup/huasheng.htm http://www.hemptech.com/links/cats/Cordage/Twine/ The two links above will take you to two sites that offer hemp fabric (#1) and several companies that offer hemp cordage (#2). The second site lists a company in Spokane Washington that handles hemp rope. Good luck. Capt. Lahti' - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Miles" To: Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 8:37 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Period ropes & cordage > Hemp twin & ready made rope, hemp canvas and other hemp products are readily > available, legally. .. It is inported from overseas.. And it IS NOT the same > stuff you smoke.. > I have a pair of hemp britches that I have had for 4 yrs now.. They wear > like IRON.. And the closest I have come to smoking them is when I get a > might close to a fire.. > D > > "If you can't be a good example, > then you'll just have to be a horrible warning.." > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:32:26 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: MtMan-List: hemp fabric and cordage http://members.tripod.com/~HuashengGroup/huasheng.htm http://www.hemptech.com/links/cats/Cordage/Twine/ The two links above will take you to two sites that offer hemp fabric (#1) and several companies that offer hemp cordage (#2). The second site lists a company in Spokane Washington that handles hemp rope. Good luck. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:40:46 EST From: TrapRJoe@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Period ropes & cordage - --part1_7f.c26502b.2745761e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What we call hemp rope can, at least here in Okla., be bought in the hardware store and 1/4 inch rope at Wal-Mart. - --part1_7f.c26502b.2745761e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What we call hemp rope can, at least here in Okla., be bought in the hardware
store and 1/4 inch rope at Wal-Mart. - --part1_7f.c26502b.2745761e_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #673 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.