From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #686 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, December 4 2000 Volume 01 : Number 686 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: camp names -       MtMan-List: Trade axe on Ebay -       Re: MtMan-List: Trade axe on Ebay -       Re: MtMan-List: please take me off the list -       MtMan-List: Trade axe on Ebay -       Re: MtMan-List: Trade axe on Ebay -       Re: MtMan-List: Trade axe on Ebay -       MtMan-List: Holidays with the Corp of Discovery Christmas -       MtMan-List: E-mail lists -       RE: MtMan-List: Holidays with the Corp of Discovery Christmas -       Re: MtMan-List: Trade axe on Ebay -       Fw: MtMan-List: E-mail lists -       Re: MtMan-List: Beaver news item ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 01:22:12 EST From: WSmith4100@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: camp names - --part1_57.e49dc09.275b4094_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank, Our local group of skinners (not AMM) has a naming ceremony held at Our local Rendezvous. some of the names that have been given are: Birdbrain, Nosedive, Rain Man, Stitcher, Wounded Elk( he's an amputee)and so on. these each Have stories behind them and are given much like the other groups, after being observed by your buddies. My "best" friend dubbed me "Sleeps Loudly" bout a year and a half ago. He was much too kind, truth be known. your servant, Sleeps loudly Smith Boise, Id - --part1_57.e49dc09.275b4094_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank,
    Our local group of skinners (not AMM) has a naming ceremony held at Our
local Rendezvous.   some of the names  that have been given are: Birdbrain,
Nosedive, Rain Man, Stitcher, Wounded Elk( he's an amputee)and so on. these
each Have stories behind them and are given much like the other groups, after
being observed by your buddies.  My "best" friend  dubbed me "Sleeps Loudly"  
bout a year and a half ago.  He was much too kind, truth be known.


your servant,

Sleeps loudly  Smith
Boise, Id - --part1_57.e49dc09.275b4094_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 15:51:57 -0500 From: Jim Lockmiller Subject: MtMan-List: Trade axe on Ebay - --------------EE13DA69F0BA8474E269F937 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello list, I just came across this nice old looking trade axe (hatchet?) on Ebay and was wondering if anyone has heard of the name stamped on it and an approx. age. Thanks Manbear http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=514470679 - --------------EE13DA69F0BA8474E269F937 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello list,

I just came across this nice old looking trade axe (hatchet?) on Ebay and was wondering if anyone has heard of the name stamped on it and an approx. age.

Thanks
Manbear

 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=514470679 - --------------EE13DA69F0BA8474E269F937-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:58:06 -0500 From: "Dennis Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade axe on Ebay Looks awful modern to me... The stamp is the reason I say this. . My opinion. Buyer beware D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 I Now Offer Gift Certificates - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 22:25:37 From: "Matthew Hawley" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: please take me off the list

i am know moving so all you take care and remember to shoot straight and remeber your friends no matter were your at.

                                  always yours in muzzle loading

                                      white eagle

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- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:36:34 -0500 From: "Dennis Miles" Subject: MtMan-List: Trade axe on Ebay I Wrote: "Looks awful modern to me... " Hi, Keep it in mind that "modern" is a relative term... Mebby better phrased as "no where near as old as portrayed"... D - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 19:46:19 -0500 From: tom roberts Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade axe on Ebay Dennis, I was wondering about that one myself. The claim of 17th to 18th century seemed a bit generous to me, but I know not about these matters. Do you suppose that early to mid 19th century is more believable, or do you think it's even younger than that? Tom Dennis Miles wrote: > I Wrote: "Looks awful modern to me... " > > Hi, Keep it in mind that "modern" is a relative term... Mebby better > phrased > as "no where near as old as portrayed"... > > D > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 19:51:25 -0500 From: Jim Lockmiller Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade axe on Ebay Thanks Dennis, I think I know what you mean. "Modern" to me can be 1890's. Manbear Dennis Miles wrote: > I Wrote: "Looks awful modern to me... " > > Hi, Keep it in mind that "modern" is a relative term... Mebby better > phrased > as "no where near as old as portrayed"... > > D > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 19:21:45 -0700 From: Buck Conner Subject: MtMan-List: Holidays with the Corp of Discovery Christmas - --------------AC5CFB770BA1162E65B877C9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit sent earlier but didn't go !!!!! Buck Conner wrote: > Hey folks, > > Here's one from the boys we all love. > Holidays with the Corp. of Discovery Christmas > _____________________________________________ > > At this wonerful time of the year, remember those of the > past and present, loved ones and friends, God Bless them > all. > > We've given you a little history of what was going on with > the Corp of Discovery under the direction of Lewis & > Clark. > > On Christmas Eve, the temperature climbed above zero - and > almost above freezing. Fort Mandan was deemed officially > complete, and the captains handed out dried apples, > pepper, and extra flour for the next day's meal and > celebration. > > Just before Christmas dawn, the captains were awakened by > the men, all if them, Clark noted, "merrily disposed." > > December 25th, 1804. > We ushed [in] the morning with a discharge of the Swivvel > [gun], and one round of Small arms of all the party. Then > another from the Swivvel. Then Capt. Clark presented a > glass of brandy to each man of the party. > > We hoisted the american flag, and each man had another > Glass of brandy. > > The men prepared one of the rooms and commenced dancing. > At 10 o'c [lock] we had another Glass of brandy, at one a > gun was fired as a Signal for diner. Half past two another > gun was fired to assemble at the dance, and So we kept it > up in a jov[ia]l manner untill eight o'c[lock] at night, > all without the company of the female Seck [sex]. > > > Joseph Whitehouse > > The mandans were asked not to visit the fort on Christmas > because, the captains explained, it was a "great medicine" > day for the expedition. But on New Year's, the men > celebrated with their Indian hosts. > > > ************* > New Year’s Day > > January 1st, 1806. > Our repast of this day, tho' better than that of > Cristmass, consisted principally in the anticipation of > the 1st day of > > January 1807, when in the bosom of our friends we hope to > participate in the mirth and hilarity of the day, and when > with the zest given by the recollection of the present, we > shall completely, both mentally and corporally, enjoy the > repast which the hand of civilization has prepared for us. > > > Meriwether Lewis. > > Men were put to work making candles, boiling ocean water > for salt, preserving elk meat in a smokehouse, and sewing > clothes from elk hides for the return trip home. > > Clark labored over a new map that would replace eastern > speculation with the hard facts of western geography. > > Lewis wrote page after page of descriptions of animals and > plants unknown to science-from the giant sitka spruce tree > to the evergreen huckleberry; from ring-necked ducks and > whistling swans to small smelt-the candlefish-that the men > roasted and ate whole. > > > ************* > In the next life may we experience such an adventure, and > may God see us fit enough to handle the chore. > > For a new year it seems things are well with our early > travelers, fed and full of thoughts of returning home. > > May you and your’s have a good New Year. > > ************* > > Take care, > Buck Conner & family > Resource & Documentation for: > _____________________________________ > HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT > http://pages.about.com/dlsmith/ _____HRD__ > Research page: > http://pages.about.com/conner1/ _____HRD__ > Personal page: > http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ > ________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! ___ > > > > > > > > > - --------------AC5CFB770BA1162E65B877C9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit sent earlier but didn't go !!!!!

Buck Conner wrote:

Hey folks,

Here's one from the boys we all love.
Holidays with the Corp. of Discovery Christmas
_____________________________________________

At this wonerful time of the year, remember those of the past and present, loved ones and friends, God Bless them all.

We've given you a little history of what was going on with the Corp of Discovery under the direction of Lewis & Clark.

On Christmas Eve, the temperature climbed above zero - and almost above freezing. Fort Mandan was deemed officially complete, and the captains handed out dried apples, pepper, and extra flour for the next day's meal and celebration.

Just before Christmas dawn, the captains were awakened by the men, all if them, Clark noted, "merrily disposed."

December 25th, 1804.
We ushed [in] the morning with a discharge of the  Swivvel [gun], and one round of Small arms of all the party. Then another from the Swivvel. Then Capt. Clark presented a glass of brandy to each man of the party.

We hoisted the american flag, and each man had another Glass of brandy.

The men prepared one of the rooms and commenced dancing. At 10 o'c [lock] we had another Glass of brandy, at one a gun was fired as a Signal for diner. Half past two another gun was fired to assemble at the dance, and So we kept it up in a jov[ia]l manner untill eight o'c[lock] at night,  all without the company of the female Seck [sex].
                                                                                                                                           Joseph Whitehouse

The mandans were asked not to visit the fort on Christmas because, the captains explained, it was a "great medicine" day for the expedition. But on New Year's, the men celebrated with their Indian hosts.

                                                              *************
New Year’s Day

January 1st, 1806.
Our repast of this day, tho' better than that of Cristmass, consisted principally in the anticipation of the 1st day of

January 1807, when in the bosom of our friends we hope to participate in the mirth and hilarity of the day, and when with the zest given by the recollection of the present, we shall completely, both mentally and corporally, enjoy the repast which the hand of civilization has prepared for us.
                                                                                                                  Meriwether Lewis.

Men were put to work making candles, boiling ocean water for salt, preserving elk meat in a smokehouse, and sewing clothes from elk hides for the return trip home.

Clark labored over a new map that would replace eastern speculation with the hard facts of western geography.

Lewis wrote page after page of descriptions of animals and plants unknown to science-from the giant sitka spruce tree to the evergreen huckleberry; from ring-necked ducks and whistling swans to small smelt-the candlefish-that the men roasted and ate whole.

                                                              *************
In the next life may we experience such an adventure, and may God see us fit enough to handle the chore.

For a new year it seems things are well with our early travelers, fed and full of thoughts of returning home.

May you and your’s have a good New Year.
                                                              *************

Take care,
Buck Conner & family
Resource & Documentation for:
_____________________________________
HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT
http://pages.about.com/dlsmith/  _____HRD__
Research page:
http://pages.about.com/conner1/ _____HRD__
Personal page:
http://pages.about.com/buckconner/
________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! ___
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
  - --------------AC5CFB770BA1162E65B877C9-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:40:02 EST From: MdntRdr1@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: E-mail lists - --part1_77.cea52f4.275c4ff2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know of an e-mail list somewhere that's dedicated to the Old West? Circa later on in the century than we talk about here? I've checked E-groups and haven't found anything on there that floats my boat yet. Stan "I resent 'experts' who have never faced deadly threat, yet who tell me - and you - that we should not consider a response of equal power against those who would threaten our lives." - -- Massad Ayoob - --part1_77.cea52f4.275c4ff2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know of an e-mail list somewhere that's dedicated to the Old
West?  Circa later on in the century than we talk about here?  I've checked
E-groups and haven't found anything on there that floats my boat yet.

Stan

"I resent 'experts' who have never faced deadly threat,
yet who tell me - and you - that we should not consider
a response of equal power against those who would
threaten our lives."
-- Massad Ayoob
- --part1_77.cea52f4.275c4ff2_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:03:05 -0700 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Holidays with the Corp of Discovery Christmas This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C05D5B.AAE33D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey Buck, Tap in www.billingsgazette.com Then pick news local/state in the upper left corner. Finally pick the story Clark on the Yellowstone. In today’s paper. Walt Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837 Clark Bottom Rendezvous Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C05D5B.AAE33D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

He= y Buck,

 

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Park = City, Montana

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- ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C05D5B.AAE33D00-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 22:16:23 -0500 From: "Dennis Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade axe on Ebay Tom, My first impression is of mid 19thC to post C.W. Mebby later, but the style suggests that period. But I may be way wrong. (classic c.y.a.) The marking is consistant with some in some C.W. era ref. books I have here .. D - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 23:11:41 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: E-mail lists This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C05D7E.65843700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stan Try these for your old west discussion groups. Lanney Ratcliff GhostRiders Stunt Co. reenactors of Old West and American ...=20 ... Discussion and Round Tables. Subscribe to Old West Reenactors = Mailing List. Discussion of American Frontier and Old West historical Reenacting. Moderated ...=20 Description: American Frontier Living History. Old West Reenactors. = Hangings by invitation.=20 Category: Arts > Performing Arts > Stunts > Live Shows www.ghostriders.org/ - 17k - Cached - Similar pages Bitter Creek Outlaws - Old West Gunfighters ... An old west living history and gunfighter group located in southwest = Wyoming, the area once ... Discussion of firearm safety for children (and adults = ...=20 Description: A group of low-down, dirty, rotten, mean, ugly (and that's = just our Sheriff) personages that perform...=20 Category: Regional > North America > United States > Wyoming > Arts and = Entertainment www.wyomerc.com/bcohome.html - 16k - Cached - Similar pages----- = Original Message -----=20 From: MdntRdr1@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 7:40 PM Subject: MtMan-List: E-mail lists Does anyone know of an e-mail list somewhere that's dedicated to the Old = West? Circa later on in the century than we talk about here? I've = checked=20 E-groups and haven't found anything on there that floats my boat yet.=20 Stan=20 "I resent 'experts' who have never faced deadly threat,=20 yet who tell me - and you - that we should not consider=20 a response of equal power against those who would=20 threaten our lives."=20 - -- Massad Ayoob=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C05D7E.65843700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Stan

Try these for your old west discussion groups.

Lanney Ratcliff

 

GhostRiders=20 Stunt Co. reenactors of Old West and American ... =
... Discussion and Round Tables. Subscribe = to=20 Old West Reenactors Mailing List. Discussion
of = American=20 Frontier and Old West historical Reenacting. Moderated = ...=20
Description: American = Frontier Living=20 History. Old West Reenactors. Hangings by invitation. =
Category: Arts > Performing Arts > Stunts&nb= sp;> Live Shows
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From: MdntRdr1@aol.com=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 7:40 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: E-mail lists

Does anyone know of an e-mail list somewhere = that's=20 dedicated to the Old
West?  Circa later on in the century than = we talk=20 about here?  I've checked
E-groups and haven't found anything = on there=20 that floats my boat yet.

Stan

"I resent = 'experts' who=20 have never faced deadly threat,
yet who tell me - and you - that we = should=20 not consider
a response of equal power against those who would =
threaten=20 our lives."
-- Massad Ayoob
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