From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #740 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, February 5 2001 Volume 01 : Number 740 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: list....... -       Re: MtMan-List: list....... -       Re: MtMan-List: list....... -       MtMan-List: What a trapper would have/ steel -       Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have! -       Re: MtMan-List: Research -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: archive indexing -       Re: MtMan-List: list....... -       Re: MtMan-List: list....... -       Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)(other stuff) -       MtMan-List: RAMRODS AND BUTCHER'S STEELS -       MtMan-List: Jim Bridger Mountianman Rendezvous in Wyoming -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: archive indexing -       Re: MtMan-List: list....... -       Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility? -       Re: MtMan-List: Please, please, PLEASE -       Re: MtMan-List: list....... -       Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility? -       Re: MtMan-List: Jim Bridger Mountianman Rendezvous in Wyoming -       MtMan-List: bug repellant -       Re: MtMan-List: Jim Bridger Mountianman Rendezvous in Wyoming -       MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843) -       MtMan-List: Bent's Fort Activities in late July -       RE: MtMan-List: Please, please, PLEASE -       Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have! -       Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have! -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: archive indexing -       Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have! -       MtMan-List: Shoe laces? -       MtMan-List: Terry CC. Johnston's upcoming titles!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 12:19:43 -0600 From: Virden High School Subject: Re: MtMan-List: list....... Here we go again , this is why I do not enjoy this list. Some of you think you know it all.........I am not trying to be smart like some of you. There are alot of very great people on this list but some of you,well..................... ThisOldFox@aol.com wrote: > > Can anyone help me , I would like to get off this list.It is a great way to > > get info, but I get very tired of it > > You can't be reading it too close because the information you seek is at the > bottom of every mail you receive from this list. I suppose the obvious is > too blatant!! > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:48:26 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: list....... In a message dated 2/5/01 8:44:32 AM, ThisOldFox@aol.com writes: << but I get very tired of it You can't be reading it too close because the information you seek is at the bottom of every mail you receive from this list. I suppose the obvious is too blatant!! >> You know TOF....I sure get tired of your bad mouth too ....and he's not even on your list..... Glad there's a delete button for most of your posts. Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:52:03 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: list....... > Here we go again , this is why I do not enjoy this list. Some of you think > you know it all......... No, we just state the obvious. If we were sitting at the campfire and you asked where the canteen was, I would say....."It's right in front of you. Why don't you look before you ask." Stating the obvious has absolutely nothing with knowing it all. >I am not trying to be smart like some of you. Then I hope you are not a school teacher at Virden. I would be concerned about my kid's education. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 14:05:29 -0600 From: don shero Subject: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have/ steel Hello all, Huffman photographed indians and buffalo hunters in Montana in 1870's and 80's. He did photo skinners with a steel,, and they were also listed as purchases {3} with 60 skinning knives. {and 50 lbs of powder for 550 lbs lead.} Surely a knife man like a trapper used one? Meat cutters use the knife on the smooth steel for cutting meat, razor sharp, thin edge. Butchers skinning hides and/or cutting tendons, etc. use a rough steel, giving not quite as sharp an edge, a little bigger teeth, more sawing effect. I would carry both to the mountains, but if I had only one, would make do with the rough steel. Don Avoid Irishmen-usless for Burnett-let him have what he wants - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:38:50 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have! In a message dated 2/5/1 07:39:59 AM, olebjensen@earthlink.net writes: <> Documentation??? RJ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:44:13 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Research In a message dated 2/5/1 08:51:13 AM, hawknest4@juno.com writes: <> Hawk I think he got his wish. RJ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 14:46:07 -0600 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: archive indexing Poorboy, Unanswerable questions are debated endlessly with the demand for more and more documentation, of that which can't be documented; and still it is demanded ever more loudly. Most often the demands are by those who've never provided anything of value to the discussions. No one wrote down how they wiped their ass in 1836, but, I'm pretty sure they did. In Britain in the 1700's there were at least two slang terms for toilet paper, it doesn't mean any made it to the mountains. If any one did write it down the Victorians burned it. Did folks treat their ramrods in 1823 with anything? Who knows? Who cares? If they did in the Rocky Mountains (the area and period of our interest) it was with whatever grease they had at hand. This is a variation of a topic that has been discussed many, many, many times before: the subject has been worn out. In the mountains grease was grease and good money wasn't often wasted foolishly on something always available free. We can document what craftsmen in the settlements did only a little better; when it came to small details of everyday life there is a great deal we can never be certain of. In terms of oils very little shows up on trade lists of the period. Hence my first post in this series listed several of the animal fats which would have been available to them; then. You seem to think your time is more valuable than mine. I have spent far more than 6 hours writing, proofing and editing many of the postings I have made. Writing for me is a difficult chore; I have attempted to provide compleat answers in my postings. If you want to know what I think of modern boiled linseed oil (I don't consider it very useful) you will have to do a little digging in the archives. Until such time as I feel it is appropriate to comment further. That is my choice to make -- not yours. Yours is to choose whether or not you want to know, and are willing to expend a little effort to find out. You complained of the poor archiving and indexing so I offered you a job you haven't chosen to take up, the things we wish to see done better around here are done by those who want to see improvements; not by the rest of us to satisfy your whim. You contacted me privately off list demanding more answers and then when I failed to respond to your complete satisfaction chose to whine publicly. You had to consciously address your rant to the list, if you had hit reply it would only have been sent to me. You spent a measly 6 hours in the archives and learned nothing worth knowing? I have never gone to the archives for more than 15 minutes that I didn't pick up something useful that I missed when it was first posted. Maybe it wasn't what I started out looking for, but, that is the joy of research and study. Most of the sources I work from are not available. In some cases I own the only copy in the world. Much of what I've learned was from others who worked from materials of which there are no other copies; or who learned from their own doing. Some of my sources are 6th generation photocopies barely legible. Many of my sources have been lost to me over the years and I have only what I remember or made notes of. Much of what I've learned has been in the doing hence I am the documentation. If you think I'm wrong do your own research. I have written on the use of various grease & oils and the appropriateness of same many times over the past several years. Your questions offer no potential for great or profound revelations. I took offense at your ever more strident attitude and my response became more curt with your increasing demands. Simple questions often require complex answers. Quick partial answers too oft generate misunderstandings and misinterpretations. Some of the folks who provide volumes of useful information on this list are exceedingly gracious. I am not one of them, I am a curmudgeon who often can't believe the gracious ones can remain so accommodating in the face of gross rudeness. I have grown weary of the lazy who expect to be spoon fed every little detail they think they want to know. I am tired of those who think they have some entitlement to what others have learned, they have caused me to grow quite testy in answering their silly little questions every time they dream one up. I do not respond every time somebody brings up the use of some modern innovation; or those who make a substitution leap without knowing the full properties of the materials they recommend. I most often ignore those who think they offer something of value recommending WD-40 or such. On occasion the suggestions offer unforeseen hazards like back when someone started promoting the use of oxidizers as an ingredient for bore solvent. On occasion it takes a lot of several peoples time to beat down the bad and worse ideas. By recent example: Diesel fuel was suggested as the writer, I assume, assumed it was about like coal oil as petroleum derived kerosene replaced coal oil and kerosene is sort of kind of like diesel fuel. It doesn't seem to have been considered that coal oil was cutting edge technology before 1850 not much seen in this country, and certainly not commonly available in the Rockies. Not to mention that diesel fuel bears little resemblance to coal oil. We try and study how things were not how they might of been. The original question regarded increasing flexibility of ramrods, I offered the one old method I am aware of which might offer some benefit, oil finishes have not often been claimed to improve flexibility, they are considered preservative treatments. Decaying horse shit is a period material that may improve flexibility of ramrods, it was available in the mountains; as it is on this list. The one certain feature that helps is straight grain through the entire length. If you want to know something other than what is offered --- do the work. Otherwise be thankful for what you get. My time is not yours to command. John... "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence." Napoleon Bonaparte. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:56:01 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: list....... In a message dated 2/5/1 08:57:16 AM, neigh@marsaglia.com writes: <> This is a very valid statement in my estimation. A lot of time and space is wasted with what should be "chat room" activity. Too deep for me, but can anyone initiate such as suggested? RJames - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:58:21 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: list....... It's right in front of you. Why > don't you look before you ask." Just saying "It's right in front of you" with a smile on your face "" goes down a lot better than the part about "Why don't you look before you ask". It takes up a hell of a lot less band width and causes a lot fewer hard feelings to just say "Try the link at the bottom of each post on this list". Or just not saying anything at all. > Then I hope you are not a school teacher at Virden. I would be concerned > about my kid's education. For all we know this person is a student. Nice image we are building here with the education folks or young people. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:47:57 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)(other stuff) In a message dated 2/5/1 10:37:55 AM, hawknest4@juno.com writes: <> I have an old book,"Camping & Woodcraft" by Kephart copywrite date 1917 that cites oil of pennyroyal in its list of "bug-offs". Other ingredients in various formulas and ratios include: Oil of cintronella, spirits of camphor, oil of cedar, pine tar, creosote, oil of peppermint, oil of bergamot, quassia and such vehicles as vasaline and olive oil. Now 1917 is not 1817, but it is a lot closer to 1837 than a 200l talk sheet. The book itself is a treasure of wood-lore and survival. It came out just before the U.S. involvement in WW I and talks about "dessicated food" for rations and draws a lot from Hudsons' Bay information sources. Richard James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:59:39 -0800 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: MtMan-List: RAMRODS AND BUTCHER'S STEELS OK folks, I'll admit, I have only been half way following these threads but here are some points : Ramrods : Someone mentioned that 'wiping stcks' were traded at rendezvous. I can find no such reference in the archives. Nearly all original ramrods I have seen were tapered. Therefore a one size fits all 'wiping stick' traded at rendezvous would not be a going concern. As to soaking ramrods in oil to make them more flexible, I can't find any refernce to that either prior to the 1880's. One tip on soaking ramrods : Do all your tapering, smoothing, and installing the rod tip before soaking. Once they have been soaked in oil (what ever type) whittling,sanding, or scraping becomes a major problem. Just my experience. Butcher's Steels : Here again folks, I can find no reference to them being traded at rendezvous. Sorry ! Pendleton - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 14:41:12 -0800 From: Lee Newbill Subject: MtMan-List: Jim Bridger Mountianman Rendezvous in Wyoming Hi Does anyone have any information about a "Jim Bridger Mountianman Rendezvous in Wyoming"? Had a fella email me looking for information on where and when, and I don't have any on this particular event. Regards from Idaho Lee Newbill - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:36:28 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: archive indexing In a message dated 2/5/1 01:49:10 PM, kramer@kramerize.com writes: (. . . several things, including:) < Subject: Re: MtMan-List: list....... I would not have a canteen at a rendezvoo............maybe a jug of mead....... ThisOldFox@aol.com wrote: > > Here we go again , this is why I do not enjoy this list. Some of you think > > you know it all......... > > No, we just state the obvious. If we were sitting at the campfire and you > asked where the canteen was, I would say....."It's right in front of you. Why > don't you look before you ask." Stating the obvious has absolutely nothing > with knowing it all. > > >I am not trying to be smart like some of you. > > Then I hope you are not a school teacher at Virden. I would be concerned > about my kid's education. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:50:08 -0500 From: "Dennis Earp" <96mfg@hspower.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility? Hawk, Can you still find the old fashion coal oil? The kerosene they sell today is not the same thing. I haven't been able to find coal oil in this area. Thanks, Dennis - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 2:31 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility? > have tried the olive oil---doesnt seem to want to penitrate as well as > the thinner coil oil or decil would take a bit of the other oil and dont > have any at hand or i would try it---as long as you fill the pores of the > wood complete it makes a more homogenious rod thus the flexibility and > strength and toughness in my estimation either would work in that contex > but would have to test it over time to prove its reliability in my > estimation---- > > just my humbel opiunion of course > > Hawk - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:47:57 -0600 From: "Ethan Sudman" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Please, please, PLEASE It doesn't take up all that much bandwidth. It shouldn't be a problem if you have a good modem, and if not the wait won't kill you; should have updated sooner anyway. - - Ethan Sudman (ethansudman@home.com) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Geisinger To: Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 3:05 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Please, please, PLEASE > Klahowya Ethan, > > >Why not? It's better that way. Otherwise people don't have any idea what > you're talking about when you reply to a previous message.< > > It is only necessary to quote a line or two, to make everyone else aware of > what you are responding to. Quoting entire messages only uses up valuable > bandwidth, and makes the archives difficult to use. > YMOS > PoorBoy > > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 16:36:52 -0600 From: Virden High School Subject: Re: MtMan-List: list....... No I am not a school teacher just love the history...............maybe the person who said glad they are not teaching my kids should get a life........... Roger Lahti wrote: > It's right in front of you. Why > > don't you look before you ask." > > Just saying "It's right in front of you" with a smile on your face "" > goes down a lot better than the part about "Why don't you look before you > ask". > > It takes up a hell of a lot less band width and causes a lot fewer hard > feelings to just say "Try the link at the bottom of each post on this list". > Or just not saying anything at all. > > > Then I hope you are not a school teacher at Virden. I would be concerned > > about my kid's education. > > For all we know this person is a student. Nice image we are building here > with the education folks or young people. > > Capt. Lahti' > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:49:50 -0500 From: "D. Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility? FWIW, I rub my ramrod with whatever grease is handy after a day afield, be it deer fat, beaver or bacon from a porkeater ...... As I think I read earlier.. "grease is grease" And I wouldn't want my ramrod or anything else I carry to the field, for that matter to smell like coal oil, kerosene diesel fuel or a New Orleans cathouse.... Seems to me that would give sharp nosed critters a heads up... D - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:09:52 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Jim Bridger Mountianman Rendezvous in Wyoming In a message dated 2/5/1 03:34:40 PM, bluethistle@potlatch.com writes: <> Could be he is referencing the AMM gathering on Jim's birthday at the fort, or - could be he saw the A&E special and wants to know about the Fort Bridger Rendezvous held at the Fort every Labor Day week end - Thursday (set-up and . . . ), Friday, Saturday, Sunday Monday. See what he says. Maybe he wants to challenge Moki's wife for knife and axe. RJames - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 18:29:42 -0500 From: Marc Stewart Subject: MtMan-List: bug repellant "best natural bug repelant i have found is made out of penneroyal and it also keeps the ticks off similar" It does work quite well, but beware. Pennyroyal is poisonous so be sure to keep it away from pets and small children please. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:43:15 -0800 From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Jim Bridger Mountianman Rendezvous in Wyoming > RJames wrote: > Could be he is referencing the AMM gathering on Jim's birthday at the fort, > or - could be he saw the A&E special and wants to know about the Fort Bridger > Rendezvous held at the Fort every Labor Day week end - Thursday (set-up and > . . . ), Friday, Saturday, Sunday Monday. Thank you Sir, I believe it was the labor day event from his description. Based on your info, I ran a websearch and found the Fort Bridger site with the annual events listing. I will send him an email with that website and their email address. I appreciate your help. Lee Newbill N. Idaho - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:37:50 EST From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843) In a message dated 2/4/01 8:59:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, tjewell@home.com writes: << I've also heard that South American natives use it in a very concentrated form as a poison on their blow gun darts and arrows for hunting birds and small mammals. I'll have to see what I can find about using tobacco as a repellent. I'll let you know if I come up with anything. >> I am sure others will have differing opinions, but I would have to say it should not be used in direct contact with the skin or where it could come into contact with the skin. I was going to make up a tobacco tea to use as the insecticide as mentioned earlier (works great) and was warned by a physician I work with to avoid getting it on me. He told me nicotine poisoning can cause some irreparable damage that catches up with you over the long term. I hope he is wrong about that since I am not the most careful person about keeping stuff like that off me when using it!!! Besides, too many other things to use that are natural for insect repellent. Beaver castor (if you can stand it), crush up mosqito bush, cedar essence, citrus essences. Of course, my dad has dipped and chewed off and on for close to twenty-five years and has yet to be bit on the lips!!!! - -C.Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:43:55 EST From: EmmaPeel2@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Bent's Fort Activities in late July - --part1_21.70be441.27b0a2cb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I understand that they are holding mountain man activities at the end of July, but do not know they specifics. Is anybody on the list attending? We are scheduling the St. Vrain reunion for the same weekend in July, and ideally would like to integrate the two. Yes, we have been in touch with the Fort :) - --part1_21.70be441.27b0a2cb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I understand that they are holding mountain man activities at the end of
July, but do  not know they specifics.  Is anybody on the list attending? We
are scheduling the St. Vrain reunion for the same weekend in July, and
ideally would like to integrate the two.  Yes, we have been in touch with the
Fort :) - --part1_21.70be441.27b0a2cb_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 18:55:09 -0600 From: Todd Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Please, please, PLEASE OH I can cut and paste, and highlight and backspace, that's not the = issue. I was responding to the idea that when I hit the reply button, = that only the highlighted text would be in the reply, which is NOT how = Microsoft's clipboard dialogs work. 'Nuff said, this is not nearly as interesting as the Fur Trade. I = program for a living, ad the last thing I want to talk about is = computers. =3D) Todd - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:52:56 -0600 From: "Douglas Hepner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have! Gosting Wolf wrote, > Powder gets wet it won't work. Lead gets wet still works. I agree, plus I would want to devide the powder equally among the members of the brigade, sort of not keeping all the eggs in one basket thing. Douglas Hepner - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:02:13 -0600 From: "Douglas Hepner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have! I wouldn't want to be sitting in Blackfeet, or grizzly bear country with my powder setting in a pan or on a rock waiting for it to dry. I kinda like my hair and limbs. Your friend, Douglas Hepner - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 4:23 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have! > gosting wolf---dont understand your logic---one lb of powder gets wet 50 > lb of powder gets wet---powder will dry out if you give it a chance---and > it will work same as before it was wet---just break up the lumps--- > > hawk > > On Sun, 4 Feb 2001 14:21:03 EST GHickman@aol.com writes: > > hawknest4@juno.com writes: > > > > << to the like of me cant understand why you want so much > > powder and not enough lead to shoot with it its just simple logic > > or > > something in the back of my mind---that i must be missing >> > > > > Powder gets wet it won't work. Lead gets wet still works. > > > > Ghosting Wolf > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: > > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > "HAWK" > Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) > 854 Glenfield Dr. > Palm Harbor florida 34684 Phone Number: 1-727-771-1815 > E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: > http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:59:48 -0700 From: Todd Glover Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: archive indexing Hey John, That was a very diplomatic, interesting and entertaining response. Thanks for taking the time to type that out. And please continue to hand around these parts, your contributions are very valued. "Teton" Todd D. Glover - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:23:17 EST From: GHickman@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have! hawknest4@juno.com writes: << one lb of powder gets wet 50 lb of powder gets wet---powder will dry out if you give it a chance---and it will work same as before it was wet---just break up the lumps >> My mistake, what I was thinking was: they may have felt that the powder was more vulnerable to damage than the lead. I didn't realize that powder could be dried and reused, at least to full potency. I assumed also that, if you run out of powder you are out of powder. Run out of lead you could use alternatives to lead balls, shoot rocks, beads, etc. I guess I'll have to make another guess. YMOS Ghosting Wolf AKA Bead Shooter - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:20:48 -0600 From: "Douglas Hepner" Subject: MtMan-List: Shoe laces? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0151_01C08FA8.BF092860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got a question. Does anyone have any documentation reguarding cotton = shoe laces being traded at the forts or rendezvous to the trappers. What = about in mocs? Douglas Hepner - ------=_NextPart_000_0151_01C08FA8.BF092860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I got a question. Does = anyone have=20 any documentation reguarding cotton shoe laces being traded at the forts = or=20 rendezvous to the trappers. What about in mocs?
 
Douglas=20 Hepner
- ------=_NextPart_000_0151_01C08FA8.BF092860-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 01:27:17 From: "jerry strobel" Subject: MtMan-List: Terry CC. Johnston's upcoming titles!!! If you hivernan's will direct your attention to www.imt.net/~tjohnston/index.html and click on book series at the bootom of the page and on the series page click on pathfinders you'll see 16 yes 16 outlined books by Mr. Johnston for the likes of John Coulter, Hugh Glass, Edward Rose, Bridger, Smith, Walker, Sublette and nine more for other mountaneers as well as a proposed novel on the Alamo,:) It states in there that the release of the titles after John Coulter depends upon sales and if sales are good then every winter St. Martins press will release another title. Thank you kind sirs and Madams for you time and cooperation. Y.M.O.S. Jake Strobel, ps does anyone know a Keven (Kevin) Heibert? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #740 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.