From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #804 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, May 23 2001 Volume 01 : Number 804 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye? -       Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye? -       Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye? -       Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye? -       Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye? -       RE: MtMan-List: why walnut dye? -       MtMan-List: Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 22:09:55 -0500 -       Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye? -       Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Flag -       Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye? -       Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye? -       Re: MtMan-List: was walnut dye/now how to make bacon? -       Re: MtMan-List: Walnut dye -       Re: MtMan-List: Pack animals -       Re: MtMan-List: was walnut dye/now how to make bacon? -       Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye? -       Re: MtMan-List: was walnut dye/now how to make bacon? -       Re: MtMan-List:black walnut fishing-- -       Re: MtMan-List: was walnut dye/now how to make bacon? -       Re: MtMan-List:black walnut fishing-- -       Re: MtMan-List: was walnut dye/now how to make bacon? -       Re: MtMan-List:black walnut fishing-- -       Re: MtMan-List: was walnut dye/now how to make bacon? -       Re: MtMan-List:black walnut fishing-- -       Re: MtMan-List:black walnut fishing-- -       Re: MtMan-List:black walnut fishing-- -       Re: MtMan-List:black walnut fishing-- -       MtMan-List: tribute -       Re: MtMan-List: tribute ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:58:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Sega Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye? For what region, for who? I will agree it is historically correct for Eastern portions of the country. I will accept that it could have been worn into the RMFT on a person fresh from the settlements. My premise is that it would not have been a common dyestuff for the RMFT. Lets leave all other longhunter, F&I, etc etc out of it. If black walnuts grow in Missouri, Ok i'm thinkin it ain't improbable that it would have found its way into the cloth and shirts traded at rendezvous. If it does not grow in that area, Im willin to bet it didn't find its way into the RMFT. As for someone using it because they like its look on their outfit, OK, go for it. Hell, most garments at rendezvous are not dyed like it used to be in the past anyhow. I'm really trying to get to the bottom of the whole walnutskinning thing anyhow. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 12:27:36 -0700 (PDT) From: George Noe Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye? - --- Chris Sega wrote: > For what region, for who? > My premise is that it would not have been a common > dyestuff for the RMFT. > If it does not grow in > that area, Im willin to bet it didn't find its way > into the RMFT. I'm really trying to get > to > the bottom of the whole walnutskinning thing anyhow. > > Chris, In my "Flora of Missouri" Julian A. Steyermark; Iowa State University Press. Ames, Iowa. cat Card #62-12193 First printing 1963, second printing 1968. He shows the Black Walnut, Juglans nigra f. nigra, growing in every county of Missouri. since this is a "native" tree, I suppect it was growing there in the 1800's. "If" it was used in the MT's as a dye is still up for grabs, but they certainly had access to them. My $0.02 grn > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ===== George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com > Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:58:44 -0400 From: "Tim Jewell" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye? Hello the list, Just some thoughts I have about this thread are: when we talk about dyeing, I think more along the lines of what was available to the mountain man instead of what he did. It occurs to me that trappers would have taken little if any time and effort to do any dyeing for himself. Given that, walnut and other "natural" dyes would have been used by home dyers along the frontier and by the native peoples. The use of such material would seem to be likely but not the trapper dyeing it himself. As for the colors that were worn, I believe the inventories and trade lists reveal alot. The most common colors of both ready made items and material do not seem to show any particular concern for trying to blend in to nature. A quick read of colors on the trade lists show white, yellow, scarlet, crimson, sky blue, navy blue, green and pink among others. Also, the material was available in stripes, checks, plaids, prints and solids. Camoflage seems to be more of a 20th century concept. I think the mountain man/frontiersman/indian etc. thought more along the idea of being stealthy when needed. Just my humble opinion, Tim - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:08:36 EDT From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye? Hi List, On the walnut dye issue, has anyone considered that the RM Trapper needed to dye his traps in order to help camoflauge them from Indians and other trappers? It wouldn't take much effort to toss in your clothes at the same time to get that darker affect on them too. This might help settle the issue of clothing being browned, grayed, etc. Having trapped myself, (yep did that too!!) I have found that unless you've actually gone through the learning process of trapping, prepping to trap, etc., one might not understand the reasons behind some of these things----like the trap dying, etc. Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:58:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Sega Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye? - --- Tim Jewell wrote: > Hello the list, > > Just some thoughts I have about this thread are: > when we talk about dyeing, > I think more along the lines of what was available > to the mountain man > instead of what he did. It occurs to me that > trappers would have taken > little if any time and effort to do any dyeing for > himself. Thats it. Thats what I was gettin at! As for Black Walnuts bein in MO, Ok now it makes more sense. But I do Agree, No-one would have spent time dyin anything, and a buckskin shirt passes for camo pretty well. I'll bet Ol Gabe could sneak up on one of us wearin a dayglo orange tutu and tinkerbells because its skill, not how ya look. VBG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:12:13 -0500 From: Todd Subject: RE: MtMan-List: why walnut dye? I'm on the extreme western edge of Missouri, and black walnuts grow all = over here, and well into Kansas. Fact, I harvested a 10 gallon bucket = of hulls over around Lawrence KS last fall. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris Sega > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 1:59 PM > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye? >=20 >=20 > For what region, for who? I will agree it is > historically correct for Eastern portions of the > country. I will accept that it could have been worn > into the RMFT on a person fresh from the settlements.=20 > My premise is that it would not have been a common > dyestuff for the RMFT. Lets leave all other > longhunter, F&I, etc etc out of it. If black walnuts > grow in Missouri, Ok i'm thinkin it ain't improbable > that it would have found its way into the cloth and > shirts traded at rendezvous. If it does not grow in > that area, Im willin to bet it didn't find its way > into the RMFT. As for someone using it because they > like its look on their outfit, OK, go for it. Hell, > most garments at rendezvous are not dyed like it used > to be in the past anyhow. I'm really trying to get to > the bottom of the whole walnutskinning thing anyhow. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >=20 > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >=20 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:08:45 -0600 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 22:09:55 -0500 Angela Gottfried, would you please post me off list? Thanks. Lanney Ratcliff amm1585@hyperusa.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 22:12:42 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye? Todd wrote: I'm on the extreme western edge of Missouri, and black walnuts grow all over here, and well into Kansas. Fact, I harvested a 10 gallon bucket of hulls over around Lawrence KS last fall. My father used to harvest black walnuts in east Texas.....not to dye clothes, but to fish with. Lanney Ratcliff - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:12:18 -0700 From: "pat broehl" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Flag >>Subject: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Flag >Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 21:26:27 -0600 > >YMOS >Ghosting Wolf I'm interested also, very much. Would like to hear from any informed source. , please. And thank you, Ghosting Wolf for bringing this up. Itsaquain _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 02:35:54 EDT From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye? In a message dated 5/21/1 5:09:57 PM, Traphand@aol.com writes: <> This is pure supposition. I have NEVER heard of a trapper of that era dying traps as contemporary Victor users ( and others) do. I have seen hand forged traps that needed no dying from day one. One the other hand I have never read any of a mountan man or a frontiersman doing any dying (of fabric). They didn't spin, weave, tailor, or fabricate their fabric clothing. This was not their trade. Those who did the fabrication did whatever dying was done, which included the expensive indigos or the more common tans and browns. To return to the original message that began this round of speculation (without documentation) the gentleman wanted to know HOW to dye with walnut hulls and what sources. By now he has his question answered. Anyone who wants to have an historically correct shirt may Certainly use any of a number of colors of the period and remain above reproach. Unless someone has some documentation on "mountain men, their clothes, and their dying techniques" perhaps we would do well to put this one to rest. Most sincerely Richard James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 08:27:26 EDT From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye? rich, In any of your reading does in say anything about trapers waxing their traps.I was wondering if you every read this? Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:00:40 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: was walnut dye/now how to make bacon? Dick, You are right as always, It's hard enough to keep them working without having to worry about color. The color of clothes is well documented from the 1600's to the present. Judging by Crazy Cyot's outfit dye was not needed to darken clothes (ha ha). Now I have a new question, does anyone have an old ricipe for making bacon without salt peter or sodiom nitrate? and only using Salt? YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- >From: SWzypher@aol.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye? >Date: Mon, May 21, 2001, 11:35 PM > > >In a message dated 5/21/1 5:09:57 PM, Traphand@aol.com writes: > ><RM Trapper needed to dye his traps in order to help camoflauge >them from Indians and other trappers? > >It wouldn't take much effort to toss in your clothes at the >same time to get that darker affect on them too. >>> > > This is pure supposition. I have NEVER heard of a trapper of that era >dying traps as contemporary Victor users ( and others) do. I have seen hand >forged traps that needed no dying from day one. One the other hand I have >never read any of a mountan man or a frontiersman doing any dying (of >fabric). They didn't spin, weave, tailor, or fabricate their fabric >clothing. This was not their trade. Those who did the fabrication did >whatever dying was done, which included the expensive indigos or the more >common tans and browns. > To return to the original message that began this round of speculation >(without documentation) the gentleman wanted to know HOW to dye with walnut >hulls and what sources. >By now he has his question answered. Anyone who wants to have an >historically correct shirt may Certainly use any of a number of colors of the >period and remain above reproach. Unless someone has some documentation on >"mountain men, their clothes, and their dying techniques" perhaps we would do >well to put this one to rest. >Most sincerely >Richard James > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:10:07 EDT From: TrapRJoe@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Walnut dye - --part1_29.1524847e.283bbf2f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don Cooper, who is a skinner himself and was also President of the Texas Trappers Assn. for several years, sells trapping supplies. He can be reached at P.O. Box 1107, Lindlae, TX. 75771. Traps have been died for as long as I can find a history of steel traps. It protects them from rusting. They also used the "ink balls" off of oak trees. Joe - --part1_29.1524847e.283bbf2f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don Cooper, who is a skinner himself and was also President of the Texas
Trappers Assn. for several years, sells trapping supplies.  He can be reached
at P.O. Box 1107, Lindlae, TX. 75771.  

Traps have been died for as long as I can find a history of steel traps.  It
protects them from rusting.  They also used the "ink balls" off of oak trees.
 
                                        Joe - --part1_29.1524847e.283bbf2f_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:19:01 EDT From: TrapRJoe@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pack animals - --part1_8a.6ed97ce.283bc145_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have plans for a pack saddle for burrows as the Santa Fe group would have used? Joe - --part1_8a.6ed97ce.283bc145_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have plans for a pack saddle for burrows as the Santa Fe group
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                                                Joe - --part1_8a.6ed97ce.283bc145_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:05:52 -0400 From: "John Hunt" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: was walnut dye/now how to make bacon? Ole`, Morton's tender quick curing salt use to have info on salt preserving meats. Here in my area I get it at a farm supply store. Possible a super type grocery store might carry it. At times hard to come by. Low supply, stores don`t sell very much. John (BIG JOHN) Hunt longhunter mountainman how to make bacon? > Now I have a new question, does anyone have an old ricipe for making bacon > without salt peter or sodiom nitrate? and only using Salt? > YMOS > Ole # 718 > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:24:55 EDT From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye? In a message dated 5/22/1 6:29:37 AM, Traphand@aol.com writes: << In any of your reading does in say anything about trapers waxing their traps.I was wondering if you every read this? Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com>> Rick Hi. After reading your note (and remembering my mood last night when I sent my message) I thought I would read through some of my references on early traps. I can find no instance of waxing on early(er) traps. Think of the circumstances of the day and the probability of wax . . . Parafin was not on the available list. Bees wax had to come AFTER bees were established on this continent and so was available only in the east to begin with (The "English Flies", as the Indians called them, were an import. I remember reading from an early 1700s journal of venturers going west - west, that is from the east coast . . . the comment was that the writer was surprised that bees had migrated that far west. I believe Charles Hansen included a feature on bees and such in one of the Museum of the Fur Trade quarterlies sevearal years ago.) Anyway . . . In the absence of an abundance of bees' wax, through the 1700s colonial Americans boiled bayberries and skimmed bayberry wax floating on the water to make into candles. The point is - the availability of wax . . . scarce in the east and not available in the mountains. I have seen no entries in inventory lists mentioning bees' wax before 1840. This is saying only that I have seen no record or journal entry with such reference and presume these had-made traps were used "as-is" from the forge. Sincerly Richard James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:34:25 EDT From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: was walnut dye/now how to make bacon? In a message dated 5/22/1 7:03:20 AM, olebjensen@earthlink.net writes: <> Salt and brown sugar (I know you can't consume it but the old bacon-makers didn't know that). It can be soaked for several weeks, cool, and then hung and smoked. I did it once - O.K. - twice by hanging it in the top of my tipi - - flaps closed - and kept a smokey fire churning under it for about five days. When finished the meat was good (whole pig - not just the bacon)but the tipi smelled so good I would have eaten it as well. Sincerly wishing you good luck with your project Richard James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:46:50 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List:black walnut fishing-- lanny how do you fish with black walnuts---inquireing minds want to know--- Nuff said---- "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor florida 34684 Phone Number: 1-727-771-1815 E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:54:45 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: was walnut dye/now how to make bacon? ole--- grind rock salt and brown sugar together mix up a good paiste and coat the bacon then pack the bacon in the above dry mixture and store in a cool place for a couple of weeks then take it to the smoker and smoke it as usual---you can coat it with loquid smoke if you wish but i personally dont like the added smoke flaver "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor florida 34684 Phone Number: 1-727-771-1815 E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:59:03 -0400 From: "D. Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:black walnut fishing-- Hawk, I will give you a starting hint.. Look around REAL careful like to be sure the Gamewarden is at the cafe' havin' his morning coffee.. D - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:57:51 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: was walnut dye/now how to make bacon? Dick, Are you going to be at Cache Valley this weekend?. You should have seen the land. Ole # 718 - ---------- >From: SWzypher@aol.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: was walnut dye/now how to make bacon? >Date: Tue, May 22, 2001, 10:34 AM > > >In a message dated 5/22/1 7:03:20 AM, olebjensen@earthlink.net writes: > ><without salt peter or sodiom nitrate? and only using Salt? >YMOS >Ole # 718>> > >Salt and brown sugar (I know you can't consume it but the old bacon-makers >didn't know that). It can be soaked for several weeks, cool, and then hung >and smoked. I did it once - O.K. - twice by hanging it in the top of my tipi >- flaps closed - and kept a smokey fire churning under it for about five >days. When finished the meat was good (whole pig - not just the bacon)but >the tipi smelled so good I would have eaten it as well. >Sincerly wishing you good luck with your project >Richard James > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 20:28:55 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:black walnut fishing-- lanny how do you fish with black walnuts---inquireing minds want to know--- Hawk During the great depression my father and lots of others in east Texas would gather a burlap bag (a "tow sack" to him) full of black walnuts and beat on them enough to bust crush the outer hulls....not the hard shell, but the fibrous outer hull....and sink the whole sack in a pool of still (or barely moving) water. The walnut hulls would leach out into the water and would send most of the fish in the pool to the surface, belly up. Sort of a natural rotenone. The fish would be suffocated, some only stunned, and would be safe to eat. Lord knows how long this practice has been used. I would guess since walnuts have been around. I presume that such practice was illegal even then and is certainly illegal now. However, in those days feeding the family was more important that whatever game laws prevailed and they did what they needed to do. When my dad's family was relatively flush with money (sic) they would purchase two or three shotgun shells.....not boxes full, mind you....to hunt. He also used a slingshot (not his term, unfortunately) to feed the family. Rabbits, mostly. In such times anything goes. I'm glad somebody asked. Such tales shed a little perspective on those who came before us. YMOS Lanney Ratcliff ps: If you want to try out the walnut hull trick I would suggest using your brother in law's aquarium. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 00:39:47 EDT From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: was walnut dye/now how to make bacon? In a message dated 5/22/1 6:02:07 PM, olebjensen@earthlink.net writes: <> nyet D. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 00:53:28 EDT From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List:black walnut fishing-- In a message dated 5/22/1 7:27:01 PM, amm1585@hyperusa.com writes: << gather a burlap bag (a "tow sack" to him) full of black walnuts and beat on them enough to bust crush the outer hulls....not the hard shell, but the fibrous outer hull....and sink the whole sack in a pool of still (or barely moving) water. The walnut hulls would leach out into the water and would send most of the fish in the pool to the surface, belly up. Sort of a natural rotenone.>> Many years ago I heard the same thing but with buckeyes. I never imagined it would work with walnuts. Anyone - Lonnie - ever try buckeyes?? RJames - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 23:54:14 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List:black walnut fishing-- D just like his coffee---hell of a trick for a good brim hole---thanks--- "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor florida 34684 Phone Number: 1-727-771-1815 E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 00:55:47 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List:black walnut fishing-- thanks lanny i thought that was the way it was done just didnt realize that the acid in the walnuts would do that to fish---might be something good to remember for the future or something like that---you know i will stay legal of course---- "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor florida 34684 Phone Number: 1-727-771-1815 E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 07:33:28 EDT From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List:black walnut fishing-- OK this is a new one on me how long do you think it would take useing the walnut for the fish to come to the surface? and how do you know which fish would be good to eat? Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 07:36:32 -0600 From: Mike Moore Subject: MtMan-List: tribute - --------------1FACEA6292EEEFE9E47EAB0B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guys, Been rereading Terry Johnston's books in tribute to him. Like many of you, he helped ignite the spark in me to learn about the fur trade. Was wondering Hardtack- will we be close to where he is buried at? If so, might be nice to swing by and leave trinket at his resting place. Any thoughts? mike. my web pages - --------------1FACEA6292EEEFE9E47EAB0B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guys,
    Been rereading Terry Johnston's books in tribute to him. Like
many of you, he helped ignite the spark in me to learn about the
fur trade. Was wondering Hardtack- will we be close to where
he is buried at? If so, might be nice to swing by and leave trinket
at his resting place. Any thoughts?
                                    mike.

 my web pages - --------------1FACEA6292EEEFE9E47EAB0B-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:13:55 -0600 From: Charlie Webb Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tribute This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ----__JNP_000_14ef.2638.7258 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike, If you are able to visit Terry's grave would you do a tobacco or pipe tribute for me also? I already miss his letters and the chatting on the phone. Please mention, Mother Earth, Father Sun, and our Four Grandfathers, I know he will get the message. Mike I'll square with you later for any inconvenience or out of pocket costs. To Terry, I was "Cherokee Charlie" rather than the "Old Coyote" Doreen of course was "Rainfeather". Thank you Mike, I would appreciate greatly if this was in your power. Charlie Been rereading Terry Johnston's books in tribute to him. Like many of you, he helped ignite the spark in me to learn about the fur trade. Was wondering Hardtack- will we be close to where he is buried at? If so, might be nice to swing by and leave trinket at his resting place. Any thoughts? mike. - ----__JNP_000_14ef.2638.7258 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mike,
If you are able to visit Terry's grave would you do a tobacco=20 or pipe
tribute for me also?  I already miss his letters and the chatting= on=20 the
phone. Please mention, Mother Earth, Father Sun, and our Four
Grandfathers, I know he will get the message.  Mike I'll square = with=20
you later for any inconvenience or out of pocket costs. 
        To Terry, I was "Cherokee=20 Charlie" rather than the "Old Coyote"
Doreen of course was "Rainfeather".
Thank you Mike, I would appreciate greatly if this was in your power.<= /DIV>
Charlie
 
    Been rereading Terry Johnston's books in tribute to= him.=20 Like
many of you, he helped ignite the spark in me to learn about the=20
fur trade. Was wondering Hardtack- will we be close to where
he is= =20 buried at? If so, might be nice to swing by and leave trinket
at his = resting=20 place. Any thoughts?=20
            = ;            &= nbsp;          =20 mike.
 
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