From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #864 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, September 16 2001 Volume 01 : Number 864 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: FW: A TRIBUTE TO AMERICA -       Re: MtMan-List: solidarity -       MtMan-List: unsubscribe -       Fw: MtMan-List: solidarity -       MtMan-List: Test -       MtMan-List: off topic virus -       MtMan-List: rejoining AMM -       MtMan-List: FW: Brothers Gone under 9/16 updated -       Re: MtMan-List: rejoining AMM -       Re: MtMan-List: solidarity -       Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: FW: A TRIBUTE TO AMERICA -       MtMan-List: Appropriate words for the days ahead -       Re: MtMan-List: what's authentic -       MtMan-List: Horses & Gunfire -       MtMan-List: We won't change because of them -       Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: FW: A TRIBUTE TO AMERICA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:51:21 -0600 From: Angela Gottfred Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: FW: A TRIBUTE TO AMERICA Prime Minster Chretien truly spoke for all Canadians yesterday, when he said, "We will be with the United States every step of the way. As friends. As neighbours As family." I've always thought of you folks as friends and neighbours, but Chretien is right: We're family. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:49:34 -0400 From: "Maryln Adams" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: solidarity Dear Friend: Thank you for your kind words. I am a teacher and was at school with my students when this terrible thing happened. It was very frightening for the children and for all of us. There is great sadness here in the USA but make no mistake, "Americans will prevail" We are a strong and determined people. We are pleased that you support us and feel our pain. >From: "Pavel Grund" >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: veřejná konference US MM >Subject: MtMan-List: solidarity >Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:25:10 +0200 > > Dear friends, > > >Reports from USA are very hard blow for us. We can´t believe what we see >in TV. > >We hope that all offenders will be disclosed and grueled. > > >Yesterday night in our country burn candles in windows over all land as >symbol of solidarity wiht people of USA. > >People of our country are prepared to help in accordance with our >possibilities. > > > >Pavel "Peggy" Grund > >Czech Republic > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:28:04 -0600 From: Kierst Family Subject: MtMan-List: unsubscribe I'd like to unsubscribe because I got behind in opening e-mails and have almost 300 unopened ones that I'd like to sort out and its hard with more and more ariveing everyday. As soon as this is all fixed I'd like to resubscribe. I think this is a great site and I've learned alot. Dirty Shirt - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:45:50 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: solidarity This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C13E2F.C98360E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pavel Thank you for your kind words. The reactions of your countrymen and of = many others around the world to this act of cowardice have been seen and = appreciated by Americans. The people of the USA are united behind = President Bush to strike these terrorist murderers from the face of the = earth......to make the USA, the Czech Republic and the rest of the world = a safer place. God bless us all. Lanney Ratcliff Texas, USA - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Pavel Grund=20 To: ve=F8ejn=E1 konference US MM=20 Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 10:25 AM Subject: MtMan-List: solidarity Dear friends,=20 Reports from USA are very hard blow for us. We can=B4t believe what we = see in TV. We hope that all offenders will be disclosed and grueled. Yesterday night in our country burn candles in windows over all land as = symbol of solidarity wiht people of USA. People of our country are prepared to help in accordance with our = possibilities.=20 Pavel "Peggy" Grund Czech Republic - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C13E2F.C98360E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pavel
Thank you for your kind words.  The reactions = of your=20 countrymen and of many others around the world to this act of = cowardice=20 have been seen and appreciated by Americans.  The people of = the USA=20 are united behind  President Bush to strike these terrorist = murderers from=20 the face of the earth......to make the USA, the Czech Republic and the = rest of=20 the world a safer place.  God bless us all.
Lanney Ratcliff
Texas, USA
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Pavel=20 Grund
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 10:25 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: solidarity

 Dear=20 friends,=20

 

Reports from USA are very hard blow for us.  We = can=B4t=20 believe what we see in TV.

We hope that all offenders will be disclosed and = grueled.

Yesterday night in our country burn candles in windows over all = land as=20 symbol of solidarity wiht people of USA.

People of our country are prepared to help in accordance with our=20 possibilities.

 

Pavel "Peggy" Grund

Czech Republic

- ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C13E2F.C98360E0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:43:21 -0600 From: "Bill Klesinger" Subject: MtMan-List: Test This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C13E2F.709A4CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a test message, to see if I can post a new message Bill - ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C13E2F.709A4CF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This = is a test=20 message, to see if I can post a new message

Bill

 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C13E2F.709A4CF0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 09:57:07 -0400 From: "John Hunt" Subject: MtMan-List: off topic virus I recently got the sircam virus. I believe it went to all those in my address book. If you got it, my apologies. Some way my Norton automatic scan of e-mail was disabled. Again my apologies John (BIG JOHN) Hunt longhunter mountainman Southwest, Ohio - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 07:54:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald Schrotter Subject: MtMan-List: rejoining AMM Gentlemen, I have lost Bill Cunningham's e-mail address. Can someone on this list please tell me who I have to contact concerning rejoining AMM? Thanks for your help, DOG, formerly HIV. #617 __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 09:16:32 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: MtMan-List: FW: Brothers Gone under 9/16 updated > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - --MS_Mac_OE_3083476593_91817_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable - ---------- From: "Ole B. Jensen" To: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: Re: Brothers Gone under 9/16 updated Date: Sun, Sep 16, 2001, 9:15 AM Mark, Rusty Sargent, was not issued a number at the time that numbers got shifted= . Dick James was his sponser and said that he turned the papers in. It is possible for that to have happaned during that time period, but going by th= e data-base and ledger I can not find his number. However on his original car= d there was a number but it was crossed out using a Magic Marker along with others of that time period. It is up to you too either add his name at the land or not or you could seek direction from Capitain George. YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- From: MarkLoader@aol.com To: olebjensen@earthlink.net Subject: Brothers Gone under 9/16 updated Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001, 8:34 PM Ole Here are the brother we have listed thus far with two new one at the bottom. George W. Johnston #5 Gray beard Grandel Granny Martin #8 Gray beard Regionald Laubin # 9 Gray beard Joe Linde's "Timber Jack Joe" # 18 gray beard Harold "Smokey" Pelham. =A0Graybeard #29 Richrd Fields # 49 Lee Robertson # 102 Glen "Doc" Hunt's # 210 Pat D. Tearney # 163 Charles E. Hanson # 174 James Mulvaney # 188 Jim Giles # 228 Slim Pickins #347 Ivan Sherk =A0# 354 Fiddlin' Dick Wilson #377 John L. Elliott # 469 Howard Kennesaw Jump ,Hiverano=A0 # 522 Ronald Hancock # 583 Robert L. Takace # 677 Jim Rowley # 721 Dev Rhoades # 877 George H. Hermansen ("Dink"), # 904 Lee Walsh "Moses" McTavish . =A0Hvro. #1000 Mathew J. Malloy # 1015 David L. Sample # 1294 Marvin "Jake" Stovall #1319 Robert Stigler # 1620 "Rusty" Eddie Sargent No number issued Ole Two names I missed Charlie "Bear" Knight #889 Leighton "The Senator" Baker # 59 Thanks Mark "Roadkill" Loader - --MS_Mac_OE_3083476593_91817_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable FW: Brothers Gone under 9/16 updated
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From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
To: MarkLoader@aol.com
Subject: Re: Brothers Gone under 9/16 updated
Date: Sun, Sep 16, 2001, 9:15 AM


Mark,
Rusty Sargent, was not issued a number at the time that numbers got shifted= . Dick James was his sponser and said that he turned the papers in. It is po= ssible for that to have happaned during that time period, but going by the d= ata-base and ledger I can not find his number. However on his original card = there was a number but it was crossed out using a Magic Marker along with ot= hers of that time period. It is up to you  too either add his name at t= he land or not or you could seek direction from Capitain George.
YMOS
Ole # 718
- ----------
From: MarkLoader@aol.com
To: olebjensen@earthlink.net
Subject: Brothers Gone under 9/16 updated
Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001, 8:34 PM


Ole Here are the brother we have listed thus far= with two new one at the bottom.

George W. Johnston #5 Gray beard
Grandel Granny Martin #8 Gray beard
Regionald Laubin # 9 Gray beard
Joe Linde's "Timber Jack Joe"  # 18 gr= ay beard
Harold "Smokey" Pelham. =A0Graybeard #29
Richrd Fields # 49
Lee Robertson # 102
Glen "Doc" Hunt's  # 210
Pat D. Tearney # 163
Charles E. Hanson # 174
James Mulvaney # 188
Jim Giles # 228
Slim Pickins #347
Ivan Sherk =A0# 354
Fiddlin' Dick Wilson #377
John L. Elliott # 469
Howard Kennesaw Jump ,Hiverano=A0 # 522
Ronald Hancock # 583
Robert L. Takace # 677
Jim Rowley # 721
Dev Rhoades # 877
George H. Hermansen ("Dink"), # 904
Lee Walsh "Moses" McTavish . =A0Hvro. #1000 <= BR> Mathew J. Malloy # 1015
David L. Sample # 1294
Marvin "Jake" Stovall #1319
Robert Stigler # 1620
"Rusty" Eddie Sargent  No number issue= d

Ole Two names I missed
Charlie "Bear" Knight #889
Leighton "The Senator" Baker  <= FONT SIZE=3D"5"># 59

Thanks Mark "Roadkill" Loader

- --MS_Mac_OE_3083476593_91817_MIME_Part-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 09:25:46 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rejoining AMM Dog, Get a hold of the following leaders and they can help you through the process. Good to have you back! Ole Wyoming Brigade booshway Joe Funk 307-733-5373 Capitaine George Thompson 805-740-9668 amm1370@aol.com Editor TL&R Bill Cunningham 970-240-6090 bcunningham@gwe.net - ---------- >From: Ronald Schrotter >To: hist list >Subject: MtMan-List: rejoining AMM >Date: Sun, Sep 16, 2001, 7:54 AM > >Gentlemen, I have lost Bill Cunningham's e-mail >address. Can someone on this list please tell me who >I have to contact concerning rejoining AMM? Thanks >for your help, DOG, formerly HIV. #617 > >__________________________________________________ >Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? >Donate cash, emergency relief information >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 08:40:01 -0700 From: "John Funk" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: solidarity This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C13E8B.2CBF5F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good words, Lanney. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lanney Ratcliff=20 To: History List=20 Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:45 PM Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: solidarity Pavel Thank you for your kind words. The reactions of your countrymen and = of many others around the world to this act of cowardice have been seen = and appreciated by Americans. The people of the USA are united behind = President Bush to strike these terrorist murderers from the face of the = earth......to make the USA, the Czech Republic and the rest of the world = a safer place. God bless us all. Lanney Ratcliff Texas, USA ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Pavel Grund=20 To: ve=F8ejn=E1 konference US MM=20 Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 10:25 AM Subject: MtMan-List: solidarity Dear friends,=20 Reports from USA are very hard blow for us. We can=B4t believe what = we see in TV. We hope that all offenders will be disclosed and grueled. Yesterday night in our country burn candles in windows over all land = as symbol of solidarity wiht people of USA. People of our country are prepared to help in accordance with our = possibilities.=20 Pavel "Peggy" Grund Czech Republic - ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C13E8B.2CBF5F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good words, Lanney.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lanney=20 Ratcliff
Sent: Saturday, September 15, = 2001 7:45=20 PM
Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: = solidarity

Pavel
Thank you for your kind words.  The reactions = of your=20 countrymen and of many others around the world to this act of = cowardice=20 have been seen and appreciated by Americans.  The people of = the USA=20 are united behind  President Bush to strike these terrorist = murderers=20 from the face of the earth......to make the USA, the Czech Republic = and the=20 rest of the world a safer place.  God bless us all.
Lanney Ratcliff
Texas, USA
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Pavel Grund
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 10:25 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: solidarity

 Dear=20 friends,=20

 

Reports from USA are very hard blow for us.  = We can=B4t=20 believe what we see in TV.

We hope that all offenders will be disclosed and = grueled.

Yesterday night in our country burn candles in windows over = all land=20 as symbol of solidarity wiht people of USA.

People of our country are prepared to help in accordance with our=20 possibilities.

 

Pavel "Peggy" Grund

Czech = Republic

- ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C13E8B.2CBF5F00-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:28:51 EDT From: WSmith4100@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: FW: A TRIBUTE TO AMERICA Dear Angela, I apologize for not responding to you before now. I received your reply on the night that one of our girls thought that a good washing of the keyboard was in order. So, a cup of water later, nearly all of the keys work again; except the critter between "L" and "N." I absolutely intended no offense to anyone, especially our Canadian brothers and sisters, with the posting of Gordon Sinclair's editorial piece. I had never seen it until the day before I sent it. If I caused any grief or ill will, then the largest of apologies will not be big enough. The truth could not be any further away. To Pavel and all of our friends abroad, a heart felt "Thank you." I pray that God will bless us all, and that this evil will be taken off of this earth. Sincerely, Wade "Sleeps Loudly" S_ith. Ps you would not believe how hard it is to type a correspondence without having the letter between "L" and "N." - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:44:40 -0400 (EDT) From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (Jon Marinetti) Subject: MtMan-List: Appropriate words for the days ahead I have read a fiery Gospel writ in burnished rows of steel: As ye deal with my contemners, so with you my grace shall deal; Let the Hero born of woman, crush the serpent with His heel, Since God is marching on. He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat; [3rd stanza; 1st line - 4th stanza The Battle Hymn of The Republic] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from Michigan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 19:51:33 -0700 From: "rtlahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what's authentic Thanks Magpie, You live another day. God we had fun this weekend inspite of ourselves didn't we?! I like Jeff's idea of working our way up the Cooper River via saw and ax until we find good Beaver! Maybe we'll make that a challenge for next year. Sure was fun seeing all those deer today in the Wenas. Now all we got to do is turn them into elks. See ya next week Brother. Capt. Lahti' - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:32 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what's authentic > > In a message dated 9/10/01 6:20:05 PM, frankf@cox-internet.com writes: > > << He sends me stuff too. But I am on this list and that is asking for > > input. >> > > Haaaaaa.....and he does give good input! .. The Great Capt Lahti is, and > has been, my "mentor", and probably the main reason I'm a pilgrim in the AMM. > We've shared many camp fires, hunts, and jugs of rum together, and he's given > me the direction I needed to do it right.... I love you...man... > > Seriously... I couldn't ask for a better guide, friend, brother, and a finer > Mountaineer you'd be hard to fine. > > I remain.. > Magpie > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:07:14 -0600 From: "Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Horses & Gunfire Lee Newbill wrote in part: I know I've been pretty quiet lately, but now I have a question regarding horses and gunfire. How have the list members with horses familiarize their mounts and packstock with gunfire? Mine have shown a marked unhappiness with gunshots and I need to fix that. Been training and work the small Newbill herd for packing... so far, only one minor wreck. Lesson learned... make sure the breakable link in the lead between pack animals is indeed breakable. Cpt. Scott McMahon answered in part: As far as cannons go I have a blm mare that loves cannons, at events she loves to get as close as possible while the guns are blazing!? Who knows! I also train them for lances and sabres basically with the same process...just a gradual familiarization with the weapons. Hope this helps...glad to finally see someone with an interest in horses on this list! Now I hope enough time has passed for me to post something completely unrelated to the events of the last week without appearing insensitive or uncaring. Mr. Newbill; Doc, Richard, and their crowd do know how to ride but I admire you too, for your above stated lesson. In order for you to have learned it, I assume you had to have taken charge of at least three animals at one time, I have found a riding and one pack animal a hand full at times but have only braved the chore of adding another animal to the string but rarely and that was for a pretty short distances. At any rate as you may already know, there are two types of condition training one is to gain a desirable response to a condition; for instance, to get the horse to do something like go when you cluck or put his head in your hat so he is easy to catch. The other is to decrease an undesirable behavior. Something like the methods others have described already of slowly desensitizing to gun fire. I might add that it can help to do some early lessons after you have “thrown the horse over the fence some hay”. That will make sure that the feeling he has toward the noise remains positive. I would like to take this one step farther and talk about the results you should expect. I did a similar action with my steeds several years ago only the noise maker was a ten foot bull whip. I probably wasn’t as slow and consistent as I should have been but the end results where a bit disheartening. There is an old saying: Don’t try to teach a pig to sing It wastes your time And annoys the pig I finally realized I was just annoying the pig. My desire was to see my horses completely unconcerned by the sound of the whip. It might be possible with some animals, like Scotts mare, or with a ton of continual effort but my horses were not about to lose what they felt was a necessary precaution to stay alive. I wanted to kill their emotional response. Sure I should be able to expect them to stay manageable and not dive out and run but they will always get worked up if they want to. As hard as that is I should allow them that. Secondly, you can not shoot plumb from the back of a horse, unless you have a specific reason to need to shoot from the horse like those cowboy shoot contests, it is really unnecessary and unsafe to take the training to that level. Mountaineers hunted buffalo horseback but that was from a pretty short distance and we can’t hunt that way now. But, if you want to do it anyway just to say you have I can admire that too. I hope to share a trail with you someday Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 22:47:26 -0600 From: Allen Hall Subject: MtMan-List: We won't change because of them Hello the list, One of the things our now declared enemies want is to change our lives, our society, etc. Well, they aren't gonna succeed. Some things will change. I can promise another airliner will never be taken over by an idiot with a knife! Anyway, today Ken Stanley and I went scouting beaver trapping areas. We were north east of Soda Springs along the trail to Fort Hall. We saw moose, deer, forest grouse (pine hens for us mountain guys) and 2 beaver kits. Folks, it was great. A beautiful day, in beautiful America. When all this is over, that America that we all cherise is still there. And those folks who want to change our lives, for the worse, are gonna be sadly disappointed. On with the battle, the victory, and life! Waugh! Allen - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:45:16 -0600 From: "John L. Allen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: FW: A TRIBUTE TO AMERICA Thank you, Angela, for your incredibly sensitive post. My reactions upon reading the well-remembered essay by Sinclair was virtually the same as yours. And I'm absolutely certain that the publication of the essay was not intended to convey the message that we in the United States are ungrateful for the support of our friends--nor was it meant to suggest that we don't know who those friends are. I've not watched much TV the last couple of days--it's simply too painful for me. You see, I had dear friends on two of the fated flights. One a colleague and friend for 35 years was on the American Airlines Boston-LA flight; the other a young National Geographic employee who took my Lewis and Clark seminars in Montana this summer, spent time with me on the Wild and Scenic portion of the Missouri River, and was on the flight that crashed into the Pentagon. I can't bring myself to watch another of those admittedly dramatic pictures of planes smashing into the World Trade Towers or of the Pentagon in flames knowing that friends were onboard. But tonight I did watch a portion of a CNN broadcast and saw the changing of the guard at Buckingham Palace, done to the strains of OUR national anthem. And I was reminded again that, when the chips are down, we in this country can always--and I mean always--count on those other countries from whom, to paraphrase Churchill, we are divided by only a common language. On behalf of all of us south of the border, thanks to the Canadians for your perpetual support--not just this week but through the jungles of New Caledonia, the snows of Korea, and the paddies of Vietnam. And to our British cousins, who are always the first to align themselves with us in times of trouble, know that we in the colonies are thankful for your steadfast friendship. Finally, I would join Angela in reminding us all that this is not just America's week to mourn. Those buildings in New York were not called "WORLD Trade Towers" for nothing. Perhaps as many as 25% of the roughly 5000 people who will never emerge from the rubble of those building were foreign nationals working in the United States. Many of them were from Canada; many from the United Kingdom and from European countries; and, quite likely, a number of innocent victims from Arab states as well. We need to mourn for all of them as well as for our own. John Allen - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Gottfred" To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:47 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: FW: A TRIBUTE TO AMERICA > Dear Friend, > > I know that your publication of Gordon Sinclair's essay was well-intended, > but, as a Canadian, I found it painful. You see, that essay was first > published, not last week or last year, but nearly thirty years ago. It was > written in 1973, during the height of the Vietnam War. I don't know if it > accurately described world opinion then, but it certainly does not > accurately describe world opinion now. > > On Monday night, Calgary's Saddledome hosted the Canadian Country Music > Awards to a sold-out crowd. Last night, the stranded country music stars > held a concert, with proceeds to aid the victims of yesterday's terror > attacks. They raised $65,000 for the Red Cross. It feels good to know that > everyone is trying to help, yet it also feels like a drop in the bucket... > > Canadian Blood Services is having additional hours for blood donation, to > accommodate all the people who wish to give blood for American victims of > this unspeakable crime. The British say that, in all likelihood, hundreds > of British citizens were killed in the WTC attacks. Given the even closer > ties between Canada and the U.S., Canadian casualties will probably be > comparable. We know for certain at least one Canadian was killed in one of > the hijacked planes. > > Two hundred and forty-seven American civilian planes were diverted to > Canada. We are falling all over ourselves to help our unexpected guests. I > haven't heard a single complaint. When Calgary's hotels were filled to > capacity, Calgary's new homeless shelter was opened three weeks early to > accommodate stranded visitors. Again, it feels like a drop in the bucket > compared to the incredible tragedy you folks are experiencing. > > In Germany, there are pro-American demonstrations. In Russia, they are > laying flowers outside the American Embassy. > > All the Canadians I have spoken with, all the "average Canadians" I have > seen interviewed on the CBC and CTV, agree that this was an incredible > crime against the United States and democracy and freedom worldwide. > > NATO has invoked Article 5 of the NATO agreement, which considers an attack > against one Alliance member to be equivalent to an attack against all of > them. I couldn't agree more. The U.S. was targeted because they are the > flagbearer for the principles of freedom and democracy that we all believe > in; it would be cowardly in the extreme for Canada and other member > countries to have the benefits of NATO membership and American leadership, > without supporting the U.S. to the hilt when they take the brunt of such > horrific acts. > > Sincerely, > Angela Gottfred > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #864 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.