From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #930 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Saturday, January 19 2002 Volume 01 : Number 930 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: not historical just for grins, but true of how we all treat history at one time or another -       Re: MtMan-List: A Bawdy Tale -       MtMan-List: looking for ball mould -       Re: MtMan-List: A Bawdy Tale -       Re: MtMan-List: A Bawdy Tale -       Fw: MtMan-List: a later day buckskinner -       Re: MtMan-List: The Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly -       Re: MtMan-List: -horses of the fur trade & Stallion -       Re: Sue MtMan-List: new tread - horses -       Re: MtMan-List: The Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly -       Re: MtMan-List: The Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:11:04 -0700 From: Todd Glover Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: not historical just for grins, but true of how we all treat history at one time or another That's a great one! Thanks for sharing..... Teton On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:28:04 EST CTOAKES@aol.com writes: > Forgive me but sometimes we all, myself included get a little up > tight and need a smile concerning our historical hobby. My wife > forwarded this to me on the road > >From the pages of Field and > Stream. > > > > (R-R-R-I-I-N-N-N-G-G-G) > > > > MAN: Hello, Lone Wolf Blackpowder Emporium, "Lobo" speakin'. What > > can I do > for ya' pilgrim? > > CALLER: Hi Lobo. Filbert-"Big Griz" Stemmish here. A fella I met > at > a > rondezvous said i should call your outfit next time I need to buy > some > authentic gear. > > LOBO: Okay, whatcha need, Big Griz? > > GRIZ: Well, quite a bit. My outfits are showing a lot of trail > wear, what > with all the blackpowder hunting I do, plus the rondezvous and > reenactments > and such. Thing is though, I'm a real purist, so all the stuff I use > > has to > be legit, you know, authentic. It's all gotta be done the old way, > nothing > modern or phony, just the real mccoy. > > LOBO: You've come to the right place, big Griz. That's our > specialty-- > Exact reproduction in everything! What's your first item? > > GRIZ: Well, I need a new set of buckskins... > > LOBO: What style? > > GRIZ: Mountain Man-- Early fur trade period, southern Rockies, ah, > > made > with brain-tanned Wyoming elk, hand sewn with genuine sinew-- none > of > that > waxed nylon look-alike stuff. Size, ah, 44 long, 33-inch inseam on > the > trousers, heavy on the fringe. Oh yeah, and I want the parts cut > from > the > hides using a forged Green River knife, Dadley pattern blade. No > scissors! > > LOBO: No problem, we've got'em in stock. How about some beadwork? > > You get > 20 percent off any beadwork when you buy a complete set of 'skins. > > GRIZ: Are the beads genuine, hand-blown Venetian "seed" beads? > > LOBO: You betcha, pilgrim! > > GRIZ: Okay. give me a two inch strip down each sleeve, cobalt blue > > and > white, Lakota style, hand stitched with No.401 English cotton trade > thread. > > LOBO: How about waterproofing? Hand-rendered bear grease, tallow- > > beeswax > blend, or Scotchgard(laughter) Jus' kiddin! > > GRIZ: Heavy on the bear grease, ah, grizzly if ya got it, but > black'll do. > > LOBO: Okay, what next? > > GRIZ: Well...two pair of moccasins. Plains Indian > style--sinew-sewn > elk, > size 12-13 wide. No beads, light fringe. > > LOBO: How're ya set for headgear? We can work something out on one > > of our > full-pelt coyote hats. They were real common among the mountain men. > > > GRIZ: Are they eastern or western coyote? > > LOBO: Think they're eastern. > > GRIZ: Sorry, it's gotta be western. Told you, I'm a purist! > > LOBO: That's the only way to be. What else? > > GRIZ: I'd like half a dozen 5/8-inch flints, but they've gotta be > > english, > hand-knapped--not machine cut--and medium grey. > > LOBO: We've got'em. What else, pilgrim? > > GRIZ: Well, i just lost my patch knife... Have ya got any that are > > hand-forged near St.Louis an' have a linseed oiled oak handle that's > > held on > with two rough-hammered brass rivets? Oh yeah, and with a sheath > that's > barktanned calfskin and harness stitched with linen thread about ten > > stitches to the inch? > > LOBO: How many do you want? > > GRIZ: Just one. > > LOBO: Anything else? > > GRIZ: I'd like 300 .50 caliber balls, but they've gotta be pure > lead, hand > cast from a single cavity mold over a cottonwood fire. > > LOBO: Those only come in a poke of 500. > > GRIZ: Oh, are the pokes hand-sewn? > > LOBO: Yep. > > GRIZ: Okay. > > LOBO Next? > > GRIZ: Ten pounds of pemmican--the pre-1870 recipe. Also gimme 15 > pounds of > parched corn, ah, Indian blue to be specific. > > LOBO: Anything else? Possibles pouch? hatchet? Ramrod? Calico? > Trade > silver? Beads? > > GRIZ: No thanks. Just give me the total. > > LOBO: I'll figure that out when I get your order. > > GRIZ:When you get my order? What do you mean? > > LOBO: I only use the phone as a customer convenience-- to let you > > know if > we've got what you're looking for, but we only accept orders that > are > hand-written in India ink with a quill on parchment. Gotta be hand- > > delivered > by horse. > > GRIZ: My God, that'll take forever! I need this stuff by the end > of > the > week! I wanted it shipped second day FedEX or UPS! > > LOBO: We don't use 'em. > > GRIZ: You don't use 'em? Well, when would my order show up? > > LOBO: Oh, could be six, maybe nine months. Depends on whether the > > mule > train has any trouble with snow in the mountain passes. Word has it > > the > southern Sierras are--- > > GRIZ: Mule train!? Mule train! You ship by ^^&*#$$^ mule train?!?! > > > LOBO: Sure do pilgrim, Whatja expect--- we're purists, too > > GRIZ: Aaaggh, #@*#@. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > "Teton" Todd D. Glover #1784 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:20:51 -0700 From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Bawdy Tale At 07:56 PM 1/17/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >James Beckworth would'a been proud. > >Wynn Ormond Heck, Wynn, I'm proud of ya for that one! Allen - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:25:39 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: looking for ball mould Nick asked, Nick, good ole Dixie Gun Works will make a simple mould at a reasonable price. Or try Jeff Tanner in England, find him at: http://www.jt-bullet-moulds.co.uk/ Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:37:26 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Bawdy Tale On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:56:11 -0700 "Gretchen Ormond" writes: > James Beckworth would’a been proud. > > Wynn Ormond now that was a tail worth telling ---bet james was grinning ear to ear in the hereafter of the shining mountains---shaking his head and saying " WAAh pilgrems eat pork not tasty buff or the pride of the high country" thanks for sharing darn good story-- "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) & "The Arkansas Underhammers" 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor florida 34684 Phone Number: 1-727-771-1815 E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:01:14 EST From: NaugaMok@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Bawdy Tale In a message dated 1/17/02 6:48:42 PM Pacific Standard Time,=20 leona3@sourceoneinternet.com writes: Knowing this guy, this is a true story! NM << On Tuesday one of our suppliers took us to lunch. Went to Maddox, a real nice fancy home town steak house that serves buffalo steaks. So there we are a bunch of construction types and pipe suppliers setting in a busy restaurant. After ordering buffalo I could not help mentioning that I had eaten different parts of buff this last weekend. Of course, it did not take them long to figure out which parts. =20 As to be expected someone asked what oysters were like. I told them it was pretty good, very tender, more like veal than beef. Then I give them a good pause to chew on it a little then I said, =E2=80=9CBut I=E2=80= =99ll tell ya, next time I=E2=80=99m going to kill the damn thing first.=E2=80=9D =20 James Beckworth would=E2=80=99a been proud. >> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:24:48 -0600 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: a later day buckskinner Interesting article.....seems that I have read about Mr Hart somewhere along the line. Amazon has a whole list of dealers with copies of the book mentioned in the article. From $5 to $40. Click here: http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/search-handle-url/ix%3Dfixed-price%26fqp%3D status%01open%02enddate%010a-%02browse%0168293%02keywords%01The%20last%20of% 20the%20Mountain%20Men%26nsp%3Dhotbox%01hotstore%02store%01zshops-rare-books %26pg%3D1/002-2851886-9391258 Lanney - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Fusco" To: "hist_text-digest" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 12:45 PM Subject: MtMan-List: a later day buckskinner > An interesting story in the March issue of Hunting Magazine about a > fellow nicknamed Buckskin Bill who died in 1980. The story is by Grits > Gresham and can be seen at: > http://www.huntingmag.com/dynamic.asp?intSectionID=324&intArticleID=1762 > > Frank G. Fusco > Mountain Home, Arkansas > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:02:07 -0600 From: "Paul Jones" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C1A0FA.43380EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: MtMan-List: The Museum of the Fur Trade QuarterlyJoe, Have not received the check you were going to mail this past Monday. Is = there a problem? Regards, Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Brandl=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 9:57 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly Adress is Joe Brandl 1416 Warm Springs Drive PO Box 777 Dubois, WY 82513 307-455-2440 --=20 Have a look at our web site @ www.absarokawesterndesign.com Call us about our tanning, furs & leather and lodgepole furniture = 307-455-2440 New leather wildlife coasters and placemats - ther're great!! - ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C1A0FA.43380EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: MtMan-List: The Museum of the Fur Trade = Quarterly
Joe,
 
Have not received the check you were going = to mail=20 this past Monday.  Is there a problem?
 
Regards,
 
Paul
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joe = Brandl=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 = 9:57=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The = Museum of=20 the Fur Trade Quarterly

Adress is

Joe Brandl
1416 Warm Springs Drive
PO Box 777
Dubois, WY 82513
307-455-2440
--
Have a look at our web site @ www.absarokawesterndesign.c= om
Call=20 us about our tanning, furs & leather and lodgepole furniture=20 307-455-2440
New leather wildlife coasters and placemats - ther're=20 great!!
- ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C1A0FA.43380EE0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:12:50 -0700 From: "Ned Eddins" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: -horses of the fur trade & Stallion This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1A10C.865B62A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Crazy Cyot, We totally agree on the Indian Horse and the Spanish Barb. I have just = put an article on my web site,=20 www.thefurtrapper.com about the use and distribution of the Indian = Horse. I would appreciate it if you would look at it with a real = critical eye and give me your comments.=20 I don't have an exact date, but Indians were castrating large numbers of = their horses probably by the mid to late 1700s. In Ewers' book, The = Horse in Blackfoot Indian Culture, there is a good description of = castration page 56-57. I saw my first Spanish Barb horses in Texas a month ago while doing the = research for my article. It was a real treat to see them. Ned neddins@silverstar.com - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1A10C.865B62A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Crazy Cyot,
 
We totally agree on the Indian Horse and = the=20 Spanish Barb. I have just put an article on my web site,=20
www.thefurtrapper.com about=20 the use and distribution of the Indian Horse. I would appreciate it if = you=20 would look at it with a real critical eye and give me your = comments.
 
I don't have an exact = date, but=20 Indians were castrating large numbers of their horses probably by the = mid=20 to late 1700s. In Ewers' book, The Horse in Blackfoot = Indian=20 Culture, there is a good description of castration page=20 56-57.
 
I saw my first Spanish Barb horses in = Texas a=20 month ago while doing the research for my article. It was a = real treat=20 to see them.
 
Ned
neddins@silverstar.com<= /DIV>
 
 
 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1A10C.865B62A0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:40:53 -0700 From: "Ned Eddins" Subject: Re: Sue MtMan-List: new tread - horses Sue, I appreciate your comments and view point. James also went on to say that the Indians drove the herd of wild horses by hidden Indians on the ground, and that they roped them around the neck as they run by. Ask your brother what he thinks about roping a wild horse around the neck while it is running away from you, and then having it tame and ready for use in 24 hours, 24 days, or in the vast majority of cases, 240 days. Take Care, Ned - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:32:50 -0700 From: "BARRY CONNER" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C1A117.B2F365A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: MtMan-List: The Museum of the Fur Trade QuarterlyPaul mail him off = the list, thanks. Buck. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul Jones=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 2:02 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly Joe, Have not received the check you were going to mail this past Monday. = Is there a problem? Regards, Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Brandl=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 9:57 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly Adress is Joe Brandl 1416 Warm Springs Drive PO Box 777 Dubois, WY 82513 307-455-2440 --=20 Have a look at our web site @ www.absarokawesterndesign.com Call us about our tanning, furs & leather and lodgepole furniture = 307-455-2440 New leather wildlife coasters and placemats - ther're great!! - ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C1A117.B2F365A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: MtMan-List: The Museum of the Fur Trade = Quarterly
Paul mail him off = the list,=20 thanks.
 
Buck.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Paul Jones=20
Sent: Saturday, January 19, = 2002 2:02=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The = Museum of=20 the Fur Trade Quarterly

Joe,
 
Have not received the check you were going = to mail=20 this past Monday.  Is there a problem?
 
Regards,
 
Paul
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joe=20 Brandl
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Sunday, January 13, = 2002 9:57=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The = Museum of=20 the Fur Trade Quarterly

Adress is

Joe Brandl
1416 Warm Springs Drive
PO Box 777
Dubois, WY 82513
307-455-2440
--
Have a look at our web site @ www.absarokawesterndesign.c= om
Call=20 us about our tanning, furs & leather and lodgepole furniture=20 307-455-2440
New leather wildlife coasters and placemats - = ther're=20 great!!
- ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C1A117.B2F365A0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:56:13 -0700 From: Joe Brandl Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly - --============_-1200659520==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" No, actually, I was waiting for box with note telling how much to include for postage and your address. sorry for any mix up, i can send check next week joe - -- Have a look at our web site @ www.absarokawesterndesign.com Call us about our tanning, furs & leather and lodgepole furniture 307-455-2440 New leather wildlife coasters and placemats - ther're great!! - --============_-1200659520==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: MtMan-List: The Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly
No, actually, I was waiting for box with note telling how much to include for postage and your address. sorry for any mix up, i can send check next week
joe
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Have a look at our web site @ www.absarokawesterndesign.com
Call us about our tanning, furs & leather and lodgepole furniture 307-455-2440
New leather wildlife coasters and placemats - ther're great!!
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