From: jarre-owner@xmission.com To: jarre-digest@xmission.com Subject: jarre Digest V7 #6 Reply-To: jarre@xmission.com Errors-To: jarre-owner@xmission.com Precedence: jarre Digest Monday, 27 January 1997 Volume 07 : Number 006 In this issue: (jarre) Jarre and Melbourne: Important News (jarre) Something's lost ? re: (jarre) Something's lost ? re: (jarre) It's Hereeeee... Re: (jarre) Something's lost ? Re: (jarre) Something's lost ? Re: (jarre) Something's lost ? (jarre) Revolution web page updated... Re: (jarre) Something's lost ? Re: (jarre) Something's lost ? Re: (jarre) Something's lost ? Re: (jarre) Something's lost ? (jarre) CHIRAC (jarre) UK - Release dates re: (jarre) It's Hereeeee... Re: (jarre) CHIRAC See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the jarre or jarre-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Stok Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 23:55:21 -0800 Subject: (jarre) Jarre and Melbourne: Important News Hi everyone. For some very important Jarre news in regards to Jarre coming to Australia in the coming months, point your web browser to http://www.spikes.com/enigma/ Cheers, Gavin Stok # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info jarre" in the message. # Postings must go to jarre@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: "Francois DEMEYER" Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 13:49:48 +0100 Subject: (jarre) Something's lost ? I was just listening one more time Zoolook.. And then I listened Oxygene 7-13.. Don't you think something has been lost during all these years ? Just compare Ethnicolor with the new Oxygene, honestly... True life is out there ! (far from the Net) http://www.netfront.fr/ 3615 NETFRONT : l'Internet par Minitel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info jarre" in the message. # Postings must go to jarre@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: onar@hsr.no (Onar Aam) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 18:35:38 +0100 Subject: re: (jarre) Something's lost ? I haven't heard 7-13 yet, only a 1 minute clip from the new single, and I must say that I am both looking forward to and fearing the new album. I'm looking forward to it because it's been more than 10 years since he made any music, and scared because Oxygene is my favourite album: I'm afraid that he'll stain it if 7-13 is bad. The little clip I heard on Galaxie Jarre didn't really tell me anything. The first clip was very bad quality, but was very promising. The second clip was better quality, but not as promising. :-( Will just have to wait for the real thing before I can decide. Either the second clip was a mono sample of one of the stereo channels, or I just heard more into the bad quality clip than there really was. In my view the pieces that Jarre will be remembered for in 100 years from now are Oxygene part 1 and 2. These (especially part 1) are the only truly innovative pieces on Oxygene. Equinoxe is overall a better album (part 2 being the highlight), but Oxygene part 1 and 2 surpass all the individual tracks of Equinoxe. Therefore, when I heard that the new Oxygene was made in the style of Oxygene part 1 I was thrilled. The question is: does the new Oxygene reach the same standard? (I doubt it since Oxygene part 1 is unique). Onar. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info jarre" in the message. # Postings must go to jarre@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: Onar Aam Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 18:41:25 +0100 Subject: re: (jarre) It's Hereeeee... >Its a classic, up with Chronologie Even Numbers I was afraid of that. :-( Onar. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info jarre" in the message. # Postings must go to jarre@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: Graham Stratford Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 01:02:59 -0800 Subject: Re: (jarre) Something's lost ? I'd have to agree. The early work had an ethereal, contemplative quality, which I find to be lacking in the later, more dance-oriented material. I also wonder about his motivation for in staging these big concerts. There seems to be too much emphasis in how many million people attended, and not enough on the music. Mind you, I would kill for a chance to see one of the spectacles, but I wonder why he's doing it. Graham Francois DEMEYER wrote: > > I was just listening one more time Zoolook.. > > And then I listened Oxygene 7-13.. > > Don't you think something has been lost during all these years ? > > Just compare Ethnicolor with the new Oxygene, honestly... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info jarre" in the message. # Postings must go to jarre@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: Hallvard Fagerland Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 16:48:36 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: (jarre) Something's lost ? >I'd have to agree. The early work had an ethereal, contemplative >quality, which I find to be lacking in the later, more dance-oriented >material. > >I also wonder about his motivation for in staging these big concerts. >There seems to be too much emphasis in how many million people attended, >and not enough on the music. Mind you, I would kill for a chance to see >one of the spectacles, but I wonder why he's doing it. > I wonder too. I had a post two weeks ago where I questioned this and other things. Nobody made a comment on my post. Wonder why. Some of the members of this list seem to hype everything Jarre does without questioning it. I can't remember everything I said two weeks ago but I was refering to a friend of mine who couldn't understand the hype about the Raven and other "rubbish" techno synths. Again, has anybody ever heard of the "Kyma system"? ******************************************* * Hallvard Fagerland * * mailto:hafa@sn.no Give War a Chance * * Norway * ******************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info jarre" in the message. # Postings must go to jarre@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: Hallvard Fagerland Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 16:53:48 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: (jarre) Something's lost ? >>I'd have to agree. The early work had an ethereal, contemplative >>quality, which I find to be lacking in the later, more dance-oriented >>material. >> >>I also wonder about his motivation for in staging these big concerts. >>There seems to be too much emphasis in how many million people attended, >>and not enough on the music. Mind you, I would kill for a chance to see >>one of the spectacles, but I wonder why he's doing it. >> > >I wonder too. I had a post two weeks ago where I questioned this and other >things. Nobody made a comment on my post. Wonder why. Some of the members of >this list seem to hype everything Jarre does without questioning it. > >I can't remember everything I said two weeks ago but I was refering to a >friend of mine who couldn't understand the hype about the Raven and other >"rubbish" techno synths. > >Again, has anybody ever heard of the "Kyma system"? Sorry, my letter was sent on the other list. And they are *a bit* in favour of Jarre whatever he does. ******************************************* * Hallvard Fagerland * * mailto:hafa@sn.no Give War a Chance * * Norway * ******************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info jarre" in the message. # Postings must go to jarre@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: "Dave Freeman" Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 17:46:00 +0000 Subject: (jarre) Revolution web page updated... The Revolution web page has just been updated, including: - - Latest news on Oxygene 7-13, Oxygene 8, Oxygene Tour, Melbourne concert. - - Images, including the Oxygene 8 French CD Single, a clearer scan of the Oxygene 7-13 figure and Oxygene 8 promo video More news due to be updated at the end of the week. Ta La Dave - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- - - Dave Freeman - Revolution - Jean Michel Jarre Magazine - - ---------------------------------------------------------------- - - Email: davefr@globalnet.co.uk - - - Visit Our Web Site: www.netlink.co.uk/users/revmag/ - - ---------------------------------------------------------------- - - New Album: Oxygene 7-13 (17th Feb 1997) - - ---------------------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info jarre" in the message. # Postings must go to jarre@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: Brendan Heading Date: 26 Jan 97 17:41:07 +0000 Subject: Re: (jarre) Something's lost ? >>I also wonder about his motivation for in staging these big concerts. >>There seems to be too much emphasis in how many million people attended, >>and not enough on the music. Mind you, I would kill for a chance to see >>one of the spectacles, but I wonder why he's doing it. >> >I wonder too. I had a post two weeks ago where I questioned this and other >things. Nobody made a comment on my post. Wonder why. Because most of the active Jarre list members (including me and various others) moved over to a new list, for reasons best not discussed right here. That list receives between 10 and 20 posts on an average day, and most are on- topic (fortunately). Subscribe to majordomo@clic.net in the usual way ("subscribe jarre " in the message body). We're discussing at this moment why the new single will not be coming out this Monday. > Some of the members of >this list seem to hype everything Jarre does without questioning it. Not intending to start a flamewar, but it is very unfair indeed to take one point out of context and use it to suggest that Jarre fans hype everything he does. Even then, the reason WHY your points weren't answered is nothing to do with any light headedness on the part of Jarre fans. In addition, the wording of your sentence suggests that you are not a jarre fan (???) ? If so, why are ye on this list ? (no personal offence intended here). >I can't remember everything I said two weeks ago but I was refering to a >friend of mine who couldn't understand the hype about the Raven and other >"rubbish" techno synths. Again, I refer you to the above. - -- /=====================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | |Irish Electroacoustic Music Association | JarreVangelisTomitaCarlos | |Synthesizer Freak | |ErasurePinhasTangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.net/customers/Alliance)| \=====================================================================/ "Growth for it's own sake is the ideology of cancer" - Edward Abbey # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info jarre" in the message. # Postings must go to jarre@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: Onar Aam Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 23:06:42 +0100 Subject: Re: (jarre) Something's lost ? >> new album. I'm looking forward to it because it's been more than >> 10 years since he made any music, and scared because Oxygene is my > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Huh? Rendez-Vous was the last complete album he made. There are some pieces on his later albums that have the same high standard, but overall there is little to cheer about. >I don't suppose you like Digisequencer, right? Actually I've never heard it! >The 'Oxygene' style was already abandont with 'Equinoxe' and >hasn't come back. You obviously haven't listened very carefully to Equinoxe. :-) Part 1-4 are all in the style of Oxygene. >(I like up-tempo a bit more, anyway - I think Orient Express is >a great track.) Don't get me wrong, I like up-tempo songs too (MF II is great!), all I said was that few of these are really unique. The thing that made Oxygene and Equinoxe special was that they stand virtually unchallenged: they're unique pieces of music which never before or since have been made. They're immortal classics. Chronologie 2 on the other hand is music that comes in heaps. It's kinda catchy, ok, but utterly unoriginal. No-one will remember it in the future. If Jarre were a highly productive composer then it would be alright to produce temporal pop jingles. But he only comes out with an album every 3rd year or so. Why, oh, why must he then waste album space on extremely unoriginal music!?!? Onar. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info jarre" in the message. # Postings must go to jarre@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: Hallvard Fagerland Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 23:44:12 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: (jarre) Something's lost ? >>>I also wonder about his motivation for in staging these big concerts. >>>There seems to be too much emphasis in how many million people attended, >>>and not enough on the music. Mind you, I would kill for a chance to see >>>one of the spectacles, but I wonder why he's doing it. > >>I wonder too. I had a post two weeks ago where I questioned this and other >>things. Nobody made a comment on my post. Wonder why. > >Because most of the active Jarre list members (including me and various >others) moved over to a new list, for reasons best not discussed right here. You misunderstood me - the post I'm refering to was sent on the "jarre@clic.net"-list. And as you may remember, I sent it just after I had begged the members on this list to moderate the off-topic mails a bit. I had hoped we could get some real discussions. (You remember? Hint: Drinking on New Years eve. ;) >That list receives between 10 and 20 posts on an average day, and most are on- >topic (fortunately). Subscribe to majordomo@clic.net in the usual way >("subscribe jarre " in the message body). We're discussing at this >moment why the new single will not be coming out this Monday. > >> Some of the members of >>this list seem to hype everything Jarre does without questioning it. > >Not intending to start a flamewar, but it is very unfair indeed to take one >point out of context and use it to suggest that Jarre fans hype everything he >does. Here I have to say that *you* are streching *my* meaning. I said that "*some members* of the list (jarre@clic.net) seems to hype everything Jarre does without questioning it." What I was thinking about was some of the members hyping of the Raven and other "rubbish" techno synths. I refered to a friend of mine who wouldn't used the Raven even if it was thrown after him. But... nobody commented that thing either. >Even then, the reason WHY your points weren't answered is nothing to do >with any light headedness on the part of Jarre fans. In addition, the wording >of your sentence suggests that you are not a jarre fan (???) ? If so, why are >ye on this list ? (no personal offence intended here). I take no offence. But "the wording of your sentence suggests that you are not a jarre fan" is absurd. My main reason is to question things, even on a "die-hard" jarre mailing-list. I love Jarre. To tell you the truth, when Freeman, after the prelistening, told that the new Jarre album was "nice", I thought: "Oh no, it's not great! Every previous Jarre album has been great!!!" ;) (On his pages there are now som "greats" as well ;) The questions I asked 2 weeks ago at jarre@clic.net were in fact almost the only things I thought were questionable and I hoped that some guy could give me some good answers. I'd love to hear the most active members of the list giving me some ammos in return so I could answer my friend who were very critical about Jarre. But, no - not a single one. Another thing, it is very seldom that things are being questioned critically on that list. The only things that comes to my mind is some guy that hated that Jarre should play at the casino in Melbourne and second, why is it taking so long with the new album? The last thing is very hard to answer but the first topic was never really answered/discussed. (or was it?) I asked a year ago, on the old list, if it was true if Jarre supported Chirac during the french elections. Even then some were saying that they didn't want to hear this. Why not? It hasn't got anything to do with his music, some said and they are right - it doesn't. So why ignore the fact then?(For those of you who don't know: he did support Chirac). You don't learn anything on a mailinglist when everybody is praising (then it gets boring) neither when everybody is quarreling (it gets anoying). We are learning things when are raising questions and discuss them fairly thoughout. Sometimes there are no answers - "And sometimes answers come in the mail" (Laurie Anderson. ;) Real Jarre fans should not be afraid to question anything about him. Lastly, this is mail comments a lot about the other mailinglist, but I think the themes is as much appropiate on this list. Firthermore, I think it's fair I'm sending a copy to the other list as well, I hope there are members there who wants to comment on this matter too. I have a feeling you would love to know the answers as well - "their out there", you know ;) Just as an apropos to show you what I'm struggled with 4 years ago: The local newspaper here said after Jarres last album that it was fortunate that Jarre was not an officer in the army, cause then he could twist so many soldiers minds - "he is good at manipulating people". ******************************************* * Hallvard Fagerland * * mailto:hafa@sn.no Give War a Chance * * Norway * ******************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info jarre" in the message. # Postings must go to jarre@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: peter@hw.nl (Peter Korsten) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 02:19:28 +0100 Subject: Re: (jarre) Something's lost ? Onar Aam shared with us: > new album. I'm looking forward to it because it's been more than > 10 years since he made any music, and scared because Oxygene is my ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Huh? > favourite album: I'm afraid that he'll stain it if 7-13 is bad. The > little clip I heard on Galaxie Jarre didn't really tell me anything. > The first clip was very bad quality, but was very promising. The > second clip was better quality, but not as promising. :-( Will just > have to wait for the real thing before I can decide. Either the > second clip was a mono sample of one of the stereo channels, or I > just heard more into the bad quality clip than there really was. I heard the clip (the quality was *really* bad, did you guys record it from French radio or what?) and, well, judging by that piece, I don't know why he called it Oxygene again. 20 years ago, there weren't any break beats. But I'll rush hapilly to the shops on Monday and buy the single (and Technocat of (someguy) Williams, while I'm at it). > In my view the pieces that Jarre will be remembered for in 100 years > from now are Oxygene part 1 and 2. These (especially part 1) are > the only truly innovative pieces on Oxygene. Equinoxe is overall a > better album (part 2 being the highlight), but Oxygene part 1 and 2 > surpass all the individual tracks of Equinoxe. Therefore, when I > heard that the new Oxygene was made in the style of Oxygene part 1 > I was thrilled. The question is: does the new Oxygene reach the same > standard? (I doubt it since Oxygene part 1 is unique). I don't suppose you like Digisequencer, right? The thing I like about Jarre is that you can't pin him down on one specific style. The 'Oxygene' style was already abandont with 'Equinoxe' and hasn't come back. So the name 'Oxygene 7-13' was actually a bit of a let-down for me. (I like up-tempo a bit more, anyway - I think Orient Express is a great track.) But let me refrain from any more comments on a piece of music that I haven't heard (or seen! mind the CD-extra!) yet. - - Peter - -- Peter Korsten | peter@hw.nl | http://www.hw.nl/~peter/ Haesenbos, Wetzels & Van der Heijden Multimedia Support 'Never EVER mess with a jumper you don't know about, even if it's labeled "sex and free beer".' -Dave Haynie, Amiga developer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info jarre" in the message. # Postings must go to jarre@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: Yago Lamela-Tobio Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 03:08:21 CST Subject: (jarre) CHIRAC Does Jarre really support Chirac or is it just bullshit?. By the way, I have read some postings of people who think that 'Chronologie' is unoriginal. The first track is just incredibly original. Have you guys listened to the part with the glissandos?. Yago Lamela-Tobio. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info jarre" in the message. # Postings must go to jarre@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: "Thomas 'Falken' Chiverton" Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:04:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: (jarre) UK - Release dates I went to see Virgin and Our Price over the weekend. Both will have the album on the release date (17th Feb), but neither had any idea about the single- it wasn't even on their computer. Thomas Chiverton - -- X TC The countdown has begun: Radio- January 7th, Single- January 27th, Album- Febuary 17th, `Oxygene 7-13` the new Jarre album. +---+ ^ /""\ Falken@Bigfoot.com /-----------------------\ | | / \ ( ) www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chivert6 |It's more fun to compute | +---+ +---+ \__/ PGP key or anon. on request \-----------------------/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info jarre" in the message. # Postings must go to jarre@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: "Thomas 'Falken' Chiverton" Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:17:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: re: (jarre) It's Hereeeee... On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, Onar Aam wrote: > >Its a classic, up with Chronologie Even Numbers > > I was afraid of that. :-( > > > Onar. Will, I happen to like the faster bits from his albums (don't get me wrong, Oxy 1 and 2 are cool as well), so obviously Oxy 8 is gonna apeal to me. I'm sure there will be slow moving, meladious bits as well tho. ! Thomas Chiverton - -- X TC The countdown has begun: Radio- January 7th, Single- January 27th, Album- Febuary 17th, `Oxygene 7-13` the new Jarre album. +---+ ^ /""\ Falken@Bigfoot.com /-----------------------\ | | / \ ( ) www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chivert6 |It's more fun to compute | +---+ +---+ \__/ PGP key or anon. on request \-----------------------/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info jarre" in the message. # Postings must go to jarre@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: peter@hw.nl (Peter Korsten) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:58:51 +0100 Subject: Re: (jarre) CHIRAC Yago Lamela-Tobio shared with us: > Does Jarre really support Chirac or is it just bullshit?. I wouldn't know, it's not a tradition in other countries to use artists or actors for your campaign. I don't really care for Jarre's political opinion, even if he were to support the guy who thinks he can dictate other countries' internal affairs, and meanwhile blows up islands in the Pacific. Sorry, off-topic. > By the way, I have read some postings of people who think that > 'Chronologie' is unoriginal. The first track is just incredibly original. > Have you guys listened to the part with the glissandos?. Who cares whether it's original or not? Some people base their opinion on a piece of music by the ingenuity of it, or by the effort that the composer put into it - at least, partially they do so. In this view, Oxygene and - to a lesser extend - Equinoxe where original, because in the mid-seventies, what you heard was disco and some rock. Zoolook was *very* new and original. Rendex-vous reminds me more of classical music, so I don't know if I would call it 'original'. Calypso, it's been done before. And Industrial Revolution probably didn't bring anything new either. But, at least for me, there's more to music than just that. I'm listening to Marillion's 'Clutching at straws' at the moment. It's rock music, with vocals, guitar, bass, synthesizer and drums. Except for an occasional 3/4 measure, you could doubt wether it's really new from the rest. But with Marillion, the five parts fit together wonderfully, and the lyrics are quite good too. That's another part to it. It's hard for me to say what I like about Jarre. It's energetic, happy, melancholic, and much more. Sad at times, serious, or easy (like 'Computer Weekend'). There's an originallity in the tunes, the choice and layering of instruments, and the lack of lyrics, that puts him aside from the mainstream. - - Peter - -- Peter Korsten | peter@hw.nl | http://www.hw.nl/~peter/ Haesenbos, Wetzels & Van der Heijden Multimedia Support 'Never EVER mess with a jumper you don't know about, even if it's labeled "sex and free beer".' -Dave Haynie, Amiga developer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info jarre" in the message. # Postings must go to jarre@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of jarre Digest V7 #6 ************************* To subscribe to jarre Digest, send the command: subscribe jarre-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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