From: neil sampson Subject: Re: (klf) Kompetition- my votes Date: 01 Mar 2001 09:00:01 +0000 Unfortunately, due to work restrictions i can't download these files...is there any chance that someone could burn all the komp entries onto a cd and flog copies off to peeps on the list at all ? I'd be interested ! Thanks in advance Neil PS - still waiting for Marek ! ___________________________________________ It's amazing what happens when you breathe. www.breathe.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ford Timelord Subject: (klf) Kompetition - Downloading files Date: 01 Mar 2001 16:06:17 +0100 HI, as Kompetition-FTP on Pinknet closed his doors, i will upload all tracks in a few days in another place, so that everybody can download them.... Ford Timelord # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lindgren" Subject: (klf) KLF for sale Date: 01 Mar 2001 17:10:23 Hello, I got the following up for sale. drop me a email with your offer > >3 a.m. eternal (totp) 7" > >The Comeback? video > >The White Room lp ( Coma) > >Burn the beat 12" JAMS 26T > >Whitney Joins The JAMMS 12" JAMS 24T - David _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: (klf) My votes Date: 01 Mar 2001 17:59:40 I lost track of who I was supossed to send my votes to, so I'm sending them to everyone. 1:Madruga Eterna (NJ & NY by ODC1) 2:WTIL (ODC1 Greay and Yellow Mix) 3:SignOFZeta-Chunka Chunka (Zen House ver.) 4:Kallisti Love Foundation-Doktoring Thee Timelordz 5:No More Tears - Justified & Ancient (Driving All The Way)(by ODC1) 6:Force 23 - The Tardis Returns Later Chad Gombosi Member SCP www.scponline.net Chad's Game Music Page www.chadsgamemusic.com MP3.com page: www.mp3.com/signofzeta "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Bruce Subject: Re: (klf) Kompetition- my votes Date: 01 Mar 2001 18:30:30 +0000 (GMT) On Thu 01 Mar, neil sampson wrote: > > Unfortunately, due to work restrictions i can't download these > files...is there any chance that someo ne could burn all the komp > entries onto a cd and flog copies off to peeps on the list at all ? > I'd be interested ! I got all the files, and if there's anyone out there who won't be able to download the files if somebody puts them up for download via the 'Net somewhere else, then I could happily do people CD-Rs of the MP3s, or even a set of CD-Rs of all the tracks in CD audio (I'm guessing that there's about 2 or 3 CD-Rs-worth of tracks). This would be for the cost of the discs plus postage (I'm in the UK). If interested, e-mail me privately, preferably at stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk. Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://www.egroups.com/group/utahsaints/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Derek Knight" Subject: RE: (klf) Kompetition- my votes Date: 02 Mar 2001 01:19:27 -0000 > I'm not sure, what date was deadline, but last tracks were added on > January 19th. The deadline was Jan 23rd, so they're all ok. I suggest we extend the voting time! We may have to be patient... Del # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Milestighe@aol.com Subject: (klf) KLF CHOC ICE 3 PROMO Date: 02 Mar 2001 06:27:32 EST Just wandering if anyone knows the rough market value of this 12"?, I have one for sale. Miles # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: c-Row Subject: Re: (klf) KLF CHOC ICE 3 PROMO Date: 02 Mar 2001 15:17:29 +0100 >Just wandering if anyone knows the rough market value of this 12"?, I have >one for sale. Somewhere between 50 and 100 ukp I´d say. Although 50 may be too good - there was this shop one week ago which sold CI 3 for 50 ukp (and I was 30 minutes too late... damn !) but I would never give it away for that amount... 100 ukp seems reasonable, regarding that there are only 350 pressed. cy@ c-Row # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Milestighe@aol.com Subject: (klf) KLF CHOC ICE 3 PROMO Date: 02 Mar 2001 11:10:49 EST I have a copy of Justified & ancient promo CHOC ICE 3 up for sale (one sided anti-accapella mix) I don't want to put it on ebay really. If anyone has a sensible offer to make on this 12" (mint condition) please mail me directly; milestighe@aol.com. Thanks. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Milestighe@aol.com Subject: (klf) CHOC ICE 3 PROMO Date: 03 Mar 2001 08:56:22 EST Just to let you all know, I have decided to list the above item on ebay, as no initial interest from the list members. I plan to sort this out later today. By the way the discography i have states 200 pressed, but have recently heard 350 were pressed, does anyone know which is correct? Miles. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Timo Toivonen" Subject: (klf) New member introduction Date: 04 Mar 2001 20:50:58 +0200 Hello everyone! > New members are encouraged to introduce themselves. My name is Timo Toivonen and I first heard of The KLF in early 90's when my brother got 3 A.M. single and The White Room album. I have been listening to TWR now and then throughout the last decade. Someone might be interested in the fact that I live in Helsinki, Finland. Age is 21. Yesterday I found at a local record store a some sort of a double CD from The KLF. Actually it is Justifed & Ancient single added to US release of TWR. Last night me and my brother started looking for The White Room movie and I ended up spending most of the night browsing through different KLF sites. Nice work guys! I decided to join the list to see and learn more about The KLF. ps. I am still VERY MUCH interested in a copy of The White Room movie and will take contact to the few e-mail addresses mentioned in the FAQ unless someone else can inform me on TWR movie. -- . ..-[ timo.toivonen@iki.fi | http://www.iki.fi/stibe/ ]-.. . "War does not determine who is right - only who is left." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "henrik uddemar" Subject: Re: (klf) New member introduction Date: 04 Mar 2001 18:56:41 TRY uddis.linuxgods.com Login: mastersofstadiumhouse > >ps. I am still VERY MUCH interested in a copy of The White Room movie > and will take contact to the few e-mail addresses mentioned in > the FAQ unless someone else can inform me on TWR movie. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Snarfy Subject: (klf) video clips Date: 04 Mar 2001 22:01:02 -0500 (EST) Since i'm STILL waiting on those CDR's... Anyone know where i can get some other video clips..not necessarily music vids..but like the trancentral.mpg..more like that kind of stuff..interviews, footage of the men, not the music.. just a thought.. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nigel Bailey" Subject: (klf) Q Magazine Eyewitness: The K Foundation Burn a Million Quid Date: 05 Mar 2001 10:32:18 -0000 Not noticed anyone mention that the April edition of Q Magazine (UK music magazine) includes a 2 page eyewitness account entitled 'The K Foundation Burn A Million Quid' which details events leading up to the act of art terrorism. It includes some interesting quotes from Bill Drummond, Gimpo, Mick Houghton along with Danny Kelly (then editor of Q0 and PC Ben McEwan (the policeman who investigated reports of charred fragments of £20 notes on the beach in Jura. It's on pages 50 and 51 for anyone interested. Nigey B PS - Ran a 10 km race yesterday - Race number 23. Coincidence? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Gagen Subject: (klf) White Room Movie Date: 05 Mar 2001 13:54:59 -0600 Expect an offering of a very limited run, professional quality, White Room DVD in the coming months. There are no other details available yet. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Gagen Subject: RE: (klf) White Room Movie Date: 05 Mar 2001 14:57:24 -0600 The equipment costs upwards of $30,000. This is not a home DVD burn. "hotdog! looking forward to them... if you could let us know the technologies involved, it would be great as i'd like to know ways of doing this sort of thing..." - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nigel Bailey" Subject: (klf) Bill Drummond Legal Case Date: 06 Mar 2001 09:33:45 -0000 In the last chapter of '45' - 'Where's Bill?' - Bill Drummond makes reference to an unwritten story involving a 'Mr Best Left Unnamed v WE Drummond and Others' legal case. Does anyone know what this is about and what happened? Despite reports to the contrary '45' is a rip roaring read and I heartily recommend it to listees. Mr Bailey # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lindgren" Subject: (klf) Don Gagen? Date: 06 Mar 2001 12:14:33 Hello everybody, Don Gagen, if you se this please email me, again, as I´m a lamer and lost your last email.. . - david _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Bruce Subject: (klf) Kompetition CDs Date: 06 Mar 2001 21:03:06 +0000 (GMT) Further information about the Kompetition CDs that I offered to make on this list a few days ago. I've had several people contact me about it so I figured it would be easier to send a chunk of the information to this list in case anybody's interested. I'm making CD-Rs containing all the MP3 files from the Kompetition, and sets of 3 CD-Rs containing all the files from the Kompetition playable in a CD player. The cost including postage within the UK is 2 quid for the MP3 disc or 4 quid for the 3 CD audio discs. Postage outside the UK is extra, e-mail me for details. For the audio CDs, the 40 tracks seemed to fit pretty neatly across the 3 CDs- CD1 and CD3 are pretty much full, CD2 has only got a little bit of free space. This is surprising because I arranged the discs purely on a very rough classification of style (CD1 "harder" stuff, CD2 "softer" stuff, CD3 "other" stuff). Within each disc, the tracks are in the alphabetical order in which they appeared on the FTP server- no favouritism here. :-) The tracklists are below. If you're interested in copies of any of these discs, then please confirm your interest by next Monday (March 12th) at the latest, as after that time I'll be taking the files off my hard disc so it'll be more hassle to do copies for people. Stuart. CD1 - HARDER 1. 2K - Fuck The Millennium (October Orbit remix by ODC1) 2. c-Row vs the KLF - What Time Is Love (Old Time Suckers RFTM Remix) 3. DJ Nite - Britney Joins The JAMS (Oops... It's 3AMnM Again!) 4. DJ Nite vs The KLF - What Time Is Top Of The Pops 5. Sign Of Zeta - Chunka Chunka (Zen House version 1.2) 6. The KLF & 2K - What Time Is Love / Fuck The Millennium (ODC1 Postworld Remix) 7. The KLF - 3am Eternal (Live @ Lakehouse) (renegade 1220 pm mix) 8. The KLF - 3am Eternal (MuMu Seekers SSL demo rekonstruction) 9. The KLF - Justified ANd Ancient (MuMu Seekers bottom of time mix) 10. The KLF - Last Train TO The SubBass (by ODC1) 11. The KLF - WHo Killed The North (mixed by Kay el Eph) 12. The KLF vs Kay el Eph - The Valentine Needs (Mad Love mix) CD2 - SOFTER 1. Big Louis - Kylie In A Trance (pure funk original) 2. Bill Drummond - Born Free (virtual exotica) 3. c-Row vs the KLF - Go To Sleep (Old Time Suckers 2000 reconstruction) 4. Sienkeitto - Kylie Said Minimal (edit) 5. The KLF (aka the Moneyburners) - How To Burn A Pound Note 6. The KLF - 3am Eternal (MuMu seekers so nice dream edit) 7. The KLF - Go To Sleep (cyclic mix) 8. The KLF - It's Chilled Up North (23 seconds from trancentral) 9. The KLF - Justified & Ancient (stand by the JAMs) (ODC1 meets JABU & USIFU) 10. The KLF - What Love Was Time 11. The KLF - What Time Is Time 12. The KLF - What Time Is Love (fuckin miserable by ODC1) 13. The KLF - What Time Is Love (ODC1 grey and yellow mix) 14. The Merucon Men - Merucon (chilled out) DISC 3 - VARIOUS 1. 2K - Fuck The Millennium (ODC1 Protest mix) 2. DJ Kuta - Ancients Hereafter (demo '94) 3. DJ Kuta - Fly (original 'time is eternal' mix) 4. DJ Kuta - Fly Away (clouds across the sky remix) 5. DJ Kuta - The KLF vs The 80s 6. DJ Kuta - Timelords (Demo '93) 7. Force 23 - The Tardis Returns 8. Kallisti Love Foundation - Doktoring Thee Timelordz (HX!FM mix) 9. SMAJ ehT - Hey Hey We Are Not The Monkees Either 10. The KLF - Justified & Ancient (92bpm Dubbed Out MU by ODC1) 11. The KLF - Last Train To Trancentral (the KLF meets DJ Forkboy downtown) 12. The KLF - Madrugada Eterna (NJ & NY by ODC1) 13. The KLF - No More Tears (driving all the way by ODC1) 14. The KLF - Sixty Seconds in Omsk -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://www.egroups.com/group/utahsaints/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maarten" Subject: (klf) 5 totp Date: 06 Mar 2001 23:04:46 +0100 Hi all, Does anybody who owns a copy of the 1000x mailorder totp version can tell me if this one came in a p/s or plain black sleeve. Thanks, Maarten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rockman=20Mike?= Subject: Re: (klf) 5 totp Date: 06 Mar 2001 22:17:52 +0000 (GMT) --- Maarten wrote: > > Hi all, > > Does anybody who owns a copy of the 1000x mailorder > totp version can tell me > if this one came in a p/s or plain black sleeve. Hi Maarten My copy is in a black sleeve. Mike ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (klf) 5 totp Date: 07 Mar 2001 01:17:10 -0000 The original came in a plain black paper sleeve (with the whole in the middle) - no piccy or whatever. A one-sided affair, the side with the music on it has 'KLF 5 TOT P A 1' inscribed on the run-out groove. I was dead chuffed when I got it through the post - long since forgotten that I'd sent off the two pounds in the first place!! l8rs, Nick ;-) > > Hi all, > > > > Does anybody who owns a copy of the 1000x mailorder > > totp version can tell me > > if this one came in a p/s or plain black sleeve. > > Hi Maarten > My copy is in a black sleeve. > > Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Lee" Subject: (klf) Marek aid??? Date: 07 Mar 2001 20:33:19 -0000 How about an "I'm owed by Marek - Group MPEG consolidation fund." I can chuck in the White Room - any other takers - I'm sure we can collate a decent collecton between us! All mails welcome on or off list! Andy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: laerm Subject: Re: (klf) Marek aid??? Date: 07 Mar 2001 15:52:37 -0500 (EST) On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Andrew Lee wrote: > How about an "I'm owed by Marek - Group MPEG consolidation fund." > > I can chuck in the White Room - any other takers - I'm sure we can > collate a decent collecton between us! yeah, i agree. it's about time we did somethign about this. a few people got discs, right? micah stupak /"\ laerm@soulfood.org ascii ribbon campaign \ / international bright young kook against HTML email X / \ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Gagen Subject: RE: (klf) Marek aid??? Date: 07 Mar 2001 14:55:35 -0600 I think the only person we really need to worry about is the guy who lent his entire personal video collection to him. Being a collector, I actually buy these promo videos, and they're not cheap. I would rather him get his videos back. On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Andrew Lee wrote: > How about an "I'm owed by Marek - Group MPEG consolidation fund." > > I can chuck in the White Room - any other takers - I'm sure we can > collate a decent collecton between us! yeah, i agree. it's about time we did somethign about this. a few people got discs, right? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) Marek aid??? Date: 07 Mar 2001 16:33:02 EST > I think the only person we really need to worry about is the guy who lent > his entire personal video collection to him. Being a collector, I actually > buy these promo videos, and they're not cheap. I would rather him get his > videos back. I agree. I know at least a couple of people have rec'd completed sets of discs (at least I recall some people saying they had) so at the very least someone should make him a set, if not for anyone else. -paul ***www.sayhername.com - Too Much Joy's Official website. Tell your friends.*** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Snarfy Subject: (klf) MAREK!! Date: 07 Mar 2001 20:41:24 -0500 (EST) I am told that some people out there have gotten the complete set from marek.. I would like to take over copying these (since it apparently isn't going to happen from marek..) so we need these in a place where i can download them, or have someone upload them to my ftp.. I have dual T1, so it will work..someone that has them all, PLEASE get in touch with me.. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: neil sampson Subject: Re: (klf) Marek aid??? Date: 08 Mar 2001 09:13:59 +0000 Thanks Paul, Don and everyone else for their support with this issue ! Yesterday I sent off a last-ditch attempt email to Marek, in order to get some sort of response from him. In the email I included full 24hr contact details fo myself, in case he does feel like getting in contact. I also mentioned that I do have his home address (but realistically, in the duration of the last 2 years, I wouldn't be surprised if he's actually moved house)...which I will be using if I don't get a response from him via email. By the way, if anyone lives in/near Poland, drop me an email ! He currently has in his possession pretty much the best bits of my klf video collection : (promos) - 2K F*ck the millennium - KSTJ - Doctorin' the Tardis - WTIL (cornfields) - and many others, but as it's been such a long time since I lent them, the memory of such vids is starting to fade...I had pretty much all their vids tho (all promos) and I have a few left at home (that weren't required for the project). - A *very* good/clean/immaculate copy (A1) of the White Room (taken directly from original master) - rather ironically, "This is what the KLF are about" Mike Dutton video (a man who has now been surpassed, in his poor timekeeping in returning property). I know that one or two other people lent footage to Marek and I'd be *very* interested to hear if they've had anything returned or not. The last contact I had from Marek was before Christmas last year, when he promised he'd get the vids (plus the cd-rs) out before the end of January...OK, it is still just March, but for those that don't know, I lent these videos to him over 2 years ago now !!! If anyone knows his whereabouts or if Marek, you're reading this right now, could he get in contact with me immediately to sort this out ! Sorry for the rant ! Don, if I had the vids, I'd be lending them to you for the DVD project as suggested ages ago ! cheerio neil On Wed, 07 March 2001, TheMgnt@aol.com wrote: > > > > I think the only person we really need to worry about is the guy who lent > > his entire personal video collection to him. Being a collector, I actually > > buy these promo videos, and they're not cheap. I would rather him get his > > videos back. > > I agree. I know at least a couple of people have rec'd completed sets of > discs (at least I recall some people saying they had) so at the very least > someone should make him a set, if not for anyone else. > > -paul ___________________________________________ It's amazing what happens when you breathe. www.breathe.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: neil sampson Subject: (klf) currently on tour... Date: 08 Mar 2001 12:10:44 +0000 Hi there peeps, has anyone else in the UK noticed that the Russian Red Army Choir (of K-Cera fame) are currently touring the UK at various venues ? I was told this week that they did a gig last week (no time like the present eh ?!) that they performed locally (ie North East Hampshire somewhere) - possibly Camberley or Aldershot. Anyone else spotted them / checked them out recently ? Anyone thinking of dropping in to London Astoria in a few weeks time to check out the Orb ? Anyone off to Homelands this year (Winchester, UK) to check out Pulp, Orbital and the Orb all in one tent ? Surely there's enough KLF tenuous links there to satisfy the most ardent lurkers ! l8rs neil ___________________________________________ It's amazing what happens when you breathe. www.breathe.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Coward" Subject: RE: (klf) Marek aid??? Date: 08 Mar 2001 21:07:37 -0000 I've got some files which I downloaded from K-front. I can burn CDs or supply them to someone else to recreate the expected compilations. I've also got a cable internet connection so I can download or upload reasonably speedily too if that's a help to anyone. It's a shame that whenever someone offers to do something like this it goes pear-shaped, but Marek is spending so much time incommunicado that it seems devious and suspicious even if it isn't. Even if his excuse/reason that he can't burn CDs is true, it doesn't explain why he's hanging on to someone else's tapes so long - if he'd reached the CD burning stage he'd no longer need them. Simon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: neil sampson Subject: (klf) call off the search party... Date: 09 Mar 2001 15:19:38 +0000 Hey everyone, good news ! Marek has contacted me about the return of my k-vids, so hopefully they should be back in my home in the next week or so. please accept my humble apologies for bombing the list every month or so, in attempts to track him down over the past year or so. i hope you can understand the worry etc etc... i'll drop the list a very short line when they arrive and you'll probably be able to hear the dull thud of me passing out with copious beverage consumption by means of celebration ! take care everyone neil - breathing a sigh (albeit, a premature one) of relief. ps - i hope that this sudden awakening will mean that everyone waiting for cd-rs will be satisfied in their patience soon... ___________________________________________ It's amazing what happens when you breathe. www.breathe.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Lee" Subject: Re: (klf) call off the search party... Date: 09 Mar 2001 22:23:32 -0000 I just hope "opening that old wound" had something to do with Marek getting back in touch! My work here is done..... Now for those CDrs Cya Andy ICQ 7022899 PS Anyone want to buy an original "studio copy - transfer supervised by Bill Butt" of The White Room - just got my copy back from a friend in Cardiff. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ford Timelord Subject: (klf) Buy or Burn - FordTimelord leaves the mailinglist Date: 10 Mar 2001 14:00:25 +0100 Hi folks.... due to financial probs and other future interests i have to sell my complete KLF-Collection... I will do this again as an auction that start now and ends on 31/03/01 23:00 CET. As i dont want to flood the complete mailinglist with my huge list, you can see it on http:/people.freenet.de/fordtimelord/buyorburn.htm Mail me your bids if you want....Please understand that i cant inform everyone if he's still leading or overbid because of the big list... I will update the bidding list one or two times the day, so take a look and you should see if you're still the leading one or overbid.. I would like to thank to all people on the list who became friends during this last year and who gave me the inspiration to start the Kompetition... I will mail in a few days the winner of the Kompetition.....probably the kompetition will be continued within the www.klf-communications.com - Project of my friend c-row. Big Thanks goes out to: c-row, Adam Hauner, DJ Kuta, Thorsten Pattberg, Sleepwalker, ODC1, Dj Nite, Milestighe, and all the others on the list..... OVER AND OUT! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lindgren" Subject: (klf) once more Date: 10 Mar 2001 13:43:41


Hello,

was the Cauty remix of once more released officially, I can´t find it on napster or on amazons versions of the cds.

I ordered once more with the J cauty remix from my cd store, but on the one I got there was no cauty rmx.

But in an ad in last weeks DJ it said remixed by J Cauty.

 

Where on the web can buy a cds or 12" with the J C remix?

 

 

                              thankful for answer - david 


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# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jboy53" Subject: (klf) once more Date: 10 Mar 2001 13:57:14 -0000 I have the J.Cauty mix of Once More I would upload it to pinknet or if your are on napster ..... jboy53 and will be there sometimes contact and i will share over but not out jboy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ford Timelord Subject: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 10 Mar 2001 15:42:42 +0100 This site should work: http:/people.freenet.de/fordtimelord Over and Out! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Bennett" Subject: RE: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 11 Mar 2001 01:13:06 -0500 This site should work: http:/people.freenet.de/fordtimelord Now the thing that really bothers me..is some of those vinyls, none of us will ever be able to afford, let alone hear.. and i KNOW that half of that stuff isn't on pinknet, or the old FTP (which no..i do not have access to) for that matter.. BTW...whose ass do you have to kiss to get on the old ftp? there are all these great pieces out there i.e, last train pure trance..that i just will never be able to hear, because the people that have that kind of thing on the list, just quietly collect, and would never jump in to help us poor people who had to hack their internet connection just to be online.. damn people..c'mon..i thought this is what the list is all about.. when i get into work tomorrow..i am going to set up my ftp server.. i will dump everything i have to it..(yes..it may take some time since my turntable is hosed, but dammit..i'll do it.. The only way I ever find out about these vinyls actually existing out there, is for unfortunate incidents like this to happen.. That and that KLF Completists collection that i missed out on..(waited a month for him to awnser me, and then gave up, spent the money, and the very next day he told me that the deal fell through and it was mine if i still wanted it..) bastard..(i don't care if you're on the list..) I hope that people from the list will e-mail me asking for a login, and we can get these tracks to people who deserve them, and just honestly can't afford to spend $100 every time they want to buy a record. (And I REALLY hope people that have collections like this will think to upload.) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: RE: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 11 Mar 2001 07:59:33 > >Now the thing that really bothers me..is some of those vinyls, none of us >will ever be able to afford, let alone hear.. It seems Napster has spoiled a generation. When you can get something for free, count your blessings. When you have to pay for it, well, that's normal. I'm sure my KLF colection (crappy MP3 or otherwise) is probably smaller than yours, but I'm not going to bitch to the list about how I deserve more free music. >BTW...whose ass do you have to kiss to get on the old ftp? I'm pretty sure it no longer exsists, thanks to whiny bitches who couldn't self moderate thier own downloads, and took the whole thing for granted. >(And I REALLY hope people that have collections like this will think to >upload.) Maybe they are too busy working to pay for thier internet conection... Chad Gombosi Member SCP www.scponline.net Chad's Game Music Page www.chadsgamemusic.com MP3.com page: www.mp3.com/signofzeta "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 11 Mar 2001 03:06:03 EST > there are all these great pieces out there i.e, last train pure > trance..that i just will never be able to hear, because the people that have FYI - Last Train Pure Trance is on the CD single. The common one. Not hard to find. > that i just will never be able to hear, because the people that have > that kind of thing on the list, just quietly collect, and would never jump > in to help us poor people who had to hack their internet connection just to > be online.. One thing that really annoys me is when people feel they have a _right_ to hear music for free. I'm going to spend $80 on a 12" and then I get jumped on because I didn't make it available for free to the rest of the world? I don't think so. Don't get me wrong, the FTP and Napster (evil blessing that it is) has allowed me to hear things I never would have before, and I certainly have contributed several rare tracks (the extended version of Lover's Side, for example -- see, we do share. where do you think Lost Sounds of Mu came from?) to the FTP, and have no problem sharing other oddites I might come across (blue man group cover, etc). But who the hell are you to sound off on me for not giving my collection with you. I / we work hard for our money, and sometimes sacrifice a little just to be able to afford that cd single our wives are shocked to find out how much we paid for on eBay. I buy it, I listen to it, I wrap it nicely in plastic so it doesn't deteriorate and sometimes I trade copies of it for things I haven't been so lucky to find with others. This is how we did things in the old days (like three fucking years ago, before mp3s). Do you realize that just six years ago most of us had to contend with what we happened to find at the corner music shop? Finding the UK version of J&A in the middle of Wisconsin was a jump for joy. I used to go weekly to several shops, looking in the same bins over and over on the off chance something new might pop up and when something did I'd treasure it and show my roommates: Hey! Look what I found? (not that any of them cared, but I did) Now you kids piss and moan because I didn't post it on Napster for you to download free. Boo-fucking-hoo. > damn people..c'mon..i thought this is what the list is all about.. No, that's not what this list is about. This list is a discussion forum, and maybe, if you're lucky, you'll get leads on where to find the music that you want to hear. This isn't a soup kitchen. > BTW...whose ass do you have to kiss to get on the old ftp? You ask nicely. Maybe some one will give it to you. Access is a privilege, not a right. Be glad that you have been able to get what you have and shut the hell up if you can't get something you want. -paul Currently in rotation: David Byrne - uh-oh / Unplugged and More; Orb - Cydonia www.sayhername.com -- Too Much Joy Official Website Tell your friends. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "c-Row" Subject: Re: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 11 Mar 2001 09:44:23 +0100 > The only way I ever find out about these vinyls actually existing out there, > is for unfortunate incidents like this to happen.. http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf > (And I REALLY hope people that have collections like this will think to > upload.) So why should I upload a collection with the value of 1000 ukp (only the vinyl, no CDs or DJ mixes counted). Over all, I spent 4.500 DM for my whole collection, and I don´t even think about passing them to public domain. And I know someone who´s got the White Room demos - not the bootleg from 1997, I mean the _real_ ones. Crystal clear cd sound. And I know what this person paid for them. Of course I asked for a copy, but I understand that he/she won´t copy them. And I think he/she is right. I wouldn´t copy them if I had them. > damn people..c'mon..i thought this is what the list is all about.. No, that´s what collecting is all about. cy@ c-Row # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Bennett" Subject: RE: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 11 Mar 2001 03:48:20 -0500 Perhaps we are misunderstood here.. i'm not asking people to surrender mp3 copies of the white room (which took up a lot of space on the old ftp).. I am interested in promos..things that just aren't easy to get ahold of..that sort of thing.. no. I am not the napster generation thank you very much. I don't even have an account..so #$%#$%! I DO BUY albums, and cd's, and even piss off my family by spending 100's on vinyls and cd's that I know I don't need, but couldn't possibly live without.. I carefully wrap my vinyls in plastic to protect them, and again...I do BUY what it is possible for me to buy.. some of us even with working our asses off just aren't as rich as others..so deal with that too... >This is how we did things in the old days (like three fucking years ago, >before mp3s). WHAT??? before mp3's you made copies on tape like everyone else..don't go getting righteous now like you have purchased everything in your life.. (excuse me if you actually have, but with the KLF it is damn near impossible) Christ..half of the music of KLF only exists in fan's hands because of bootlegging, and pirating, so don't pretend like it doesn't exist.. why don't you go ahead and send bill and jimmy their 65 cents for your copy of the lost sounds of mu one and two..or how about the white room original motion picture soundtrack..i'll bet you never have.. and neither have I. so we're even. The point I was trying to make, that I know the "collector" will never understand, is make the stuff worthless on the market..who gives a damn..it's about the music, and some people will never hear some of that stuff without it.. so meanwhile, while you are feeling like you are more of a fan just because you can afford more material, I say fuck it..the vinyls are really truly only worth a few cents anyways.. it amazes me, and scares me that people (especially on this list) are so money centered about their things. I do thank the very few people who have shared rarities on this list..I have been able to hear some rare pieces of history which otherwise would have been left to the people like yourself who are more concerned with how much your record is worth. I guess i'll just slink back to the recesses of the list, and just watch for new things, and let you to your "collecting". What is a song if no one ever hears it? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 11 Mar 2001 04:31:41 EST > so meanwhile, while you are feeling like you are more of a fan just because > you can afford more material, I say fuck it..the vinyls are really truly > only worth a few cents anyways.. You are asking we, the collectors, those who have hunted, traded, and spent large amounts of money on items to "share" them with you simply because you want them. That's the problem here. You are saying "c'mon people, you have a copy of this, I can't afford it, so give me it." You are asking, no, demanding it and that's the problem here and what you fail to understand. If I want you to hear something I'll make it available. I paid for it. That's *my* right. No, I haven't sent Bill and Jim any money. Nearly everything I have I bought second hand so they didn't make a dime off it anyway. My point is that I went out and hunted and tracked them down. If I found someone with, say, a copy of the White Room Demos that I wanted I'd buy it or ask if they wanted to trade for something I had and they didn't. I didn't say "wow, you got that? Make me a copy. Here's my address." Which is what you are doing. No one is saying they're a bigger fan because they are collectors. As I've said before, you have no right to this stuff. There is a large amount of rare tracks on pinknet and you are free to download any and all, if you have access. But you have no right to demand that we post what isn't already there. Incidentally, see that link below I've been advertising for the past few weeks? Too Much Joy? They're are one of my top fav bands who have always been strugging. On their web site they post numerous rare tracks for fans to download free. And they have set up a paypal account for donations to help them keep making music. For every mp3 I download from them I send them $1 to support them. If Bill and Jimmy decided to do something like this I'd do it for them as well. I would for any band I love. Because I'm a fan. > it amazes me, and scares me that people (especially on this list) are so > money centered about their things. Not surprised, especially from someone who admits to stealing their internet connection. (www.netzero.com) And it's not being "money centered", it's appreciating what we have. -paul Currently in rotation: David Byrne - uh-oh / Unplugged and More; Orb - Cydonia www.sayhername.com -- Too Much Joy Official Website Tell your friends. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: RE: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 11 Mar 2001 10:14:52 > >This is how we did things in the old days (like three fucking years ago, > >before mp3s). > >WHAT??? before mp3's you made copies on tape like everyone else..don't go >getting righteous now like you have purchased everything in your life.. Copies from where? "Back in the day" it was extremly hard just to find someone who had a tape that you could copy. I remember a friend of mine sending away for some rare KLF stuff from some guy in Germany and when he got the tape (included stuff like 1987, and WKTJ) we were thrilled. You can find all that stuff on Napster now. Shit, there's more available from Mancentral then I heard for the first several years of my KLF fandom. > >Christ..half of the music of KLF only exists in fan's hands because of >bootlegging, and pirating, so don't pretend like it doesn't exist.. >why don't you go ahead and send bill and jimmy their 65 cents for your copy >of the lost sounds of mu one and two..or how about the white room original >motion picture soundtrack..i'll bet you never have.. >and neither have I. so we're even. You are totally changing the subjuct here. No one is against bootlegging on this list, if they are they totally miss the point of the KLF. The KLF made their name by ripping off Abba, the Monkeys, ect, and furthermore deleated their back catalogue after retiring making it so that bootlegging would be the only way to get their music. If people on this list were against bootlegging there would be no Lost Sounds of Mu, K-Front, Linuxgods, of even the Komp. The reason why we all think you are a a spank is becuase you want other people to take time out of their day to make MP3s of stuff they have. It seems you think they owe it to the world to pubish the tunes the KLF were too lazy/wierd to sell us. Personaly I think that's bull crap. Eventually all of the KLF's material will be available on the web. Anyone who has been following the KLF and the internet fan comunity knows that so much stuff has become avaialble lately, so fast that...well, it's great. I can't even download it fast enough. You just need to be patient instead of sending flaim bait like this to the list. What do you expect for a reaction? Do you expect someone to reward you for being such a brat by sending you the loggin/pass to some KLF ftp with all the unreleased stuff on it? Maybe I should just mail you a CD-R with 100 KLF MP3s on it? >The point I was trying to make, that I know the "collector" will never >understand, is make the stuff worthless on the market.. I actually agree with this...sort of. I say fuck it..the vinyls are really truly >only worth a few cents anyways.. >it amazes me, and scares me that people (especially on this list) are so >money centered about their things. One again, it has little to do with money most of the time. It's just that once you track down that rare as hell record, it's hard to get up the motivation to digitize it, find web space for it, and then try to keep the server from being shut down just so some punk can be thankless about it. And please, don't say "vinyls" it makes you sound like some post dance culture American who got their first turntable after their first CD player. They are called "records". Look it up in the dictionary. Chad Gombosi Member SCP www.scponline.net Chad's Game Music Page www.chadsgamemusic.com MP3.com page: www.mp3.com/signofzeta "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maarten" Subject: Re: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 11 Mar 2001 13:53:05 +0100 > > (And I REALLY hope people that have collections like this will think to > > upload.) > > So why should I upload a collection with the value of 1000 ukp (only the > vinyl, no CDs or DJ mixes counted). Over all, I spent 4.500 DM for my whole > collection, and I don´t even think about passing them to public domain. I totally agree here with c-Row. I have also spent more than Dfl 5000 on my KLF collection and I may say so that I have got a few rare things. I tracked these down in stores, from the internet and recordfairs with the help of some luck. If i can get hold of these items, so can you! > And I know someone who´s got the White Room demos - not the bootleg from > 1997, I mean the _real_ ones. Crystal clear cd sound. And I know what this > person paid for them. Of course I asked for a copy, but I understand that > he/she won´t copy them. And I think he/she is right. I wouldn´t copy them if > I had them. > In the past there have been lots of uploads onto the pinknet. Some songs are pretty rare and some are more common songs which everybody should have already bought by now. As far as I am concerned, the only reason that the rare records are there is to download them, listen to them, enjoy them and try to get hold of a genuine record of the song! >You are asking we, the collectors, those who have hunted, traded, and spent >large amounts of money on items to "share" them with you simply because you >want them. That's the problem here. You are saying "c'mon people, you have >a copy of this, I can't afford it, so give me it." You are asking, no, >demanding it and that's the problem here and what you fail to understand. If >I want you to hear something I'll make it available. I paid for it. That's >*my* right. Ah, great! Totally agree on that one. I have searched for years to find certain items and spent lotsa $$$ on these KLF items. For people who can't afford it. it's a pitty. But don't sit back and relax and wait untill I make that track available. Maarten. P.s. I was going to ask if anybody had also seen a rubber stamped whitelabel 12" from 3 am eternal which are hand numbered. (i have got number 27, the corner of the sleeve says "120") Any one familiar with this item? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "henrik uddemar" Subject: RE: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 11 Mar 2001 13:31:16 >If people on this list were against bootlegging there would be no Lost >Sounds of Mu, K-Front, Linuxgods, of even the Komp. Huurmmm Not linuxgods, uddis.linuxgods. Please dont mix upp Me with my computer-nerd friends. I must state that the people behind linuxgods have absolute nothin to do with KLF music. I share music becouse i want to, not becouse someone say i have to. Where did the netiket go. Why cant you ask nice. But one thing i clear to me, music is not for colecting its for listening. If one of the realy rare songs is the best its right to share it. If its not why bother, its just music. Music is art and art has no mening if its not viewd, herd or felt. dont flame me:-) (plesase exuse my poor spelling) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jai Subject: RE: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 11 Mar 2001 13:32:16 +0000 At 3:48 am -0500 11/3/01, Chris Bennett wrote: >I do BUY >what it is possible for me to buy.. >some of us even with working our asses off just aren't as rich as others..so >deal with that too... that's rubbish since i left uni and started working, i've hardly bought any KLF items. i collected all my stuff while at uni trying to scrimp and save enough to eat and having to blow 80 quid a time at vinyl fairs was damned hard. but i did it, i put the effort in and now i've got a load of KLF stuff i'm dead pleased with. you can't go playing the "im too poor to collect" card. if you're that keen to hear the stuff, then you'll put up with only having 2quid a day to spend on food for a couple of weeks. been there, done that, and not only did it allow me to add to my collection, it's also a great way to slim. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jai Subject: (klf) art Date: 11 Mar 2001 13:42:14 +0000 At 1:31 pm +0000 11/3/01, henrik uddemar wrote: >Music is art and art has no mening if its not viewd, herd or felt. i thought the message of the Turner Prize event was that art has no meaning either way, when its considered art by artists. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Bruce Subject: RE: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 11 Mar 2001 13:55:31 +0000 (GMT) This 'Buy or burn' rare material MP3 thread seems in principle very similar to the argument I started in January when I accused nobody in particular of being too lazy to try to find proper copies of the Jimmy Cauty mix of the Orb's "Once More". So much so, in fact, that I've dug up a section of a message I posted in January and copied it below, because in my opinion it still applies. Most of the people who've posted on this subject so far seem to easily fall into one of the categories I've listed below. It seems a shame that this list has become so dominated by talk (or argument) about either MP3 distribution or auctioning-off of KLF material. To be honest I can't clearly remember the last time there was a good discussion on this list about the _music_, rather than how to get it. Admittedly there's not much by the way of new music coming out, but for example I don't remember (m)any comments made about the Cauty remix of "Once More". If this list were split into two, one half dealing with record & MP3 trading and the other half dealing with talk about the music, the art and the pranks, then I'd only join the latter list. Since I offered to distribute the Kompetition CD-Rs, I've had a lot of interest (my CD burner is nice and warm...), and I've been pleasantly surprised by the number of people who've bothered to say 'thank you for doing this'. So why are some people so hostile? . Ah well. Incidentally, the first batch of Kompetition CDs will be posted tomorrow afternoon. Stuart. ** from message on 19th January: _In my opinion_, there are four large categories into which people who download 'illegal' MP3s often (but not always) fall: (a) People who download tracks to listen to them in order to see if they like them, and if they do, they go out and buy a CD or 12". (b) People who download tracks that are very hard to find, promo-only mixes etc., because they want to hear the music, and if they ever saw an affordable copy of the 'real thing' they'd get that instead. (c) People who downloads tracks which would otherwise be impossible to track down, such as radio mix-sets, live audience recordings, actually-unreleased material, or tracks that the artists themselves have made available as MP3s. (d) People who download MP3 tracks as a cheap alternative to finding something properly, and once they have the MP3 will have no desire to get the track(s) in a legitimate format. Whilst I wasn't specific in my earlier e-mail, I don't have a problem with (b) and (c). I don't really have a problem with (a), although people who fall into (a) often turn into people who fall into (d) but won't admit it. It's the people in the (d) category I have a problem with and it seems like there are several people in this category on this list. And _they_ are the lazy gits. -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://www.egroups.com/group/utahsaints/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "RMStringer" Subject: (klf) This 'Buy or burn' rare material MP3 thread Date: 11 Mar 2001 09:40:37 -0600 This all sounds like a Pissing contest of who has the most rare collection of KLF materials. I traded some music to get my copies of the KLF mp3 disks and the KLF videodisks. I trade music with lots of people and in return, I get lots of rare songs and other items. I think that it you cannot find a copy of something but on mp3, and then it is OK. You have the song, video, live set that you wanted. Swap it to someone else. The other day a person that I work with was looking for some old 80's club music. I have a lot of it, so I burned him a disk with 77 mp3 tracks on it and gave it to him.....Free of charge and with no strings attached. That is how I think that I should be. Just my opinion. Laterz RMStringer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Bruce Subject: Re: (klf) This 'Buy or burn' rare material MP3 thread Date: 11 Mar 2001 17:47:09 +0000 (GMT) On Sun 11 Mar, RMStringer wrote: > > This all sounds like a Pissing contest of who has the most rare > collection of KLF materials. I don't agree that this is true. Okay, some people have now put estimates on how much money their KLF collection might be worth (or more importantly, how much they spent in getting the collection), but I read this as a reminder of why they feel they shouldn't give copies of it away for nothing. I didn't think it was a "look at me, I've got a bigger collection than you" thing. Some of these "MP3s should be completely free, where can I download it all for nothing?" posts seem simply jealous. But just because you're jealous of something, isn't a reason for people to give you it. Personally my collection is pretty much halfway between the two extremes we seem to have on-list. > The other day a person that I work with was looking for some old 80's > club music. I have a lot of it, so I burned him a disk with 77 mp3 > tracks on it and gave it to him.....Free of charge and with no strings > attached. That is how I think that I should be. Just my opinion. This is a subtly different example, I suspect. Are these 1980s club music tracks pieces of music that you spent many hours and a lot of money and effort tracking down original and rare 12"s of, and hold very dear to yourself as a result? Or are they MP3s that you got from somebody or somewhere else, or just ripped from widely available CDs? I think there's a big difference depending on the answer. As you say, it's your opinion, and it's an OK opinion so I don't have a problem with that- if you want to copy any or all of what you've got for other people for nothing, go ahead. But what certain other people (particularly those with the initials CB) seem to be implying, is that everybody else should give _them_ free stuff because that's how it should work in _their_ opinion- and it doesn't work like that. Personally I think that every lottery winner should give me 10% of their winnings as a thank-you for having not bought a ticket and therefore having increased their chances of winning. Not happening though. So the argument continues... thanks to Chad by the way for the best-put and most accurate contribution to this discussion so far. Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://www.egroups.com/group/utahsaints/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ford Timelord Subject: Re: (klf) This 'Buy or burn' rare material MP3 thread Date: 11 Mar 2001 19:07:14 +0100 Am 17:47 11.03.01 +0000 schrieben Sie: >On Sun 11 Mar, RMStringer wrote: > > > > This all sounds like a Pissing contest of who has the most rare > > collection of KLF materials. I didn't want to make a contest of who has the biggest collection... I could sell my whole collection over ebay, but as i've got a lot of pals around here on the list, i wanted to gave them the first chance to get them to get the records... And as i didn't want to flood the list with actual biddings... But i'm amused to see that my thread started that big discussion about sharing mp3s or buying the records instead. I've updated my list at http://people.freenet.de/fordtimelord Over and Out # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MICHAEL KENNEDY Subject: (klf) KLF VINYL FOR SALE Date: 11 Mar 2001 18:39:04 +0000 i'm selling off the following vinyl kylie said to jason (7") uptight (7") downtown (12") what time is love (live at trancentral/wandaful) if interested e mail me make me an offer for any of these best offer gets __________________________________________________________________ Get your own free web email at http://www.looksmart.co.uk LookSmart UK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Snarfy Subject: RE: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 11 Mar 2001 14:46:50 -0500 (EST) O > You are totally changing the subjuct here. No one is against bootlegging on > this list, if they are they totally miss the point of the KLF. The KLF made > their name by ripping off Abba, the Monkeys, ect, and furthermore deleated > their back catalogue after retiring making it so that bootlegging would be > the only way to get their music. > But the whole point of the people putting together the bootlegs, is (most of the time) to compile stuff that most people would otherwise never be able to hear or afford, and make it available to them, in the true spirit of the music.. > The reason why we all think you are a a spank is becuase you want other > people to take time out of their day to make MP3s of stuff they have. It > seems you think they owe it to the world to pubish the tunes the KLF were > too lazy/wierd to sell us. I have encoded things and sent them to people (even on this list!) of stuff that's a: not buyable b: damn near impossible to actually find a real copy of I never once said..hey all you people..get encoding right now assholes! You'd be surprised what can come out of it when people are actually posting the stuff they have..all of a sudden, a lot of people might go..I've been looking for that for years! and it's not always something that you whored yourself for 15 years to be able to afford (since you all seem to be saying this is practically what you do to buy "records" > One again, it has little to do with money most of the time. It's just that > once you track down that rare as hell record, it's hard to get up the > motivation to digitize it, find web space for it, and then try to keep the > server from being shut down just so some punk can be thankless about it. If they are thankless about it, then they aren't a fan, and without motivation, how the hell did you ever get ahold of any of these records anyways? > > And please, don't say "vinyls" it makes you sound like some post dance > culture American who got their first turntable after their first CD player. > They are called "records". Look it up in the dictionary uh..I'm sorry mr. better than everyone else..been in the music industry since your parents were just a glimmer in your grandma's eyes..if i want to call them fucking plastic musical toilet lids, that's what i'll call them. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Snarfy Subject: RE: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 11 Mar 2001 14:54:08 -0500 (EST) > Not linuxgods, uddis.linuxgods. i was trying to be short and to the point, not cause a damn panic.. > Please dont mix upp Me with my computer-nerd friends. > I must state that the people behind linuxgods have absolute nothin to do > with KLF music. > > I share music becouse i want to, not becouse someone say i have to. > Where did the netiket go. Why cant you ask nice. > Again..when the hell did I ever order anyone to upload? > But one thing i clear to me, music is not for colecting its for listening. > If one of the realy rare songs is the best its right to share it. > If its not why bother, its just music. > Music is art and art has no mening if its not viewd, herd or felt. > It really scares me that you are the first person on the list to see this point. ONE other person on the list actually interested in the meaning of the music other than myself.. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 11 Mar 2001 20:35:30 >I totally agree here with c-Row. I have also spent more than Dfl 5000 on my >KLF collection and I may say so that I have got a few rare things. >I tracked these down in stores, from the internet and recordfairs with the >help of some luck. >If i can get hold of these items, so can you! Um, you do realize that with the very low print runs of certain KLF items, that this is *impossible* right? IMPOSSIBLE. There are several KLF releases that have print runs smaller than the membership of this list, and this list does not include every KLF fan on the earth. You poeple seem to be prooving the "give me MP3s or you are a gready bastard" guy right at every turn. Chad Gombosi Member SCP www.scponline.net Chad's Game Music Page www.chadsgamemusic.com MP3.com page: www.mp3.com/signofzeta "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: laerm Subject: Re: (klf) This 'Buy or burn' rare material MP3 thread Date: 11 Mar 2001 15:35:37 -0500 (EST) On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Stuart Bruce wrote: > Personally I think that every lottery winner should give me 10% of > their winnings as a thank-you for having not bought a ticket and > therefore having increased their chances of winning. Not happening > though. no, something along the lines of how much you increased their likelihood of winning by being one less person...uhh, say 23 million tickets are sold. you buy none, so you should get 1/23000000th of the winner's take. yay for ridiculosity (is that a word?)! micah stupak /"\ laerm@soulfood.org ascii ribbon campaign \ / international bright young kook against HTML email X / \ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Norman Subject: (klf) insure Date: 11 Mar 2001 20:57:15 -0000 All this talk of record collections has made me realise about insurance, does anyone have specialist record collection insurance? Insurance companies are notorious for not paying back the full worth of your valuable collection. If you have any advice, or companies that you use (specifically UK), could you let us know. Thanks Christopher 'debt collectors ring my phone and scare my wife when i'm not home' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: RE: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 11 Mar 2001 21:03:45 >From: Snarfy >To: henrik uddemar >CC: klf@xmission.com >Subject: RE: (klf) Buy or burn >Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 14:54:08 -0500 (EST) > > > Not linuxgods, uddis.linuxgods. > >i was trying to be short and to the point, not cause a damn panic.. Why are you responding negatively, and repeatedly to posts that were not even aimed at you? Just wondering. Chad Gombosi Member SCP www.scponline.net Chad's Game Music Page www.chadsgamemusic.com MP3.com page: www.mp3.com/signofzeta "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Snarfy Subject: RE: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 11 Mar 2001 17:46:20 -0500 (EST) > Why are you responding negatively, and repeatedly to posts that were not > even aimed at you? Just wondering. a: most of it WAS aimed at me.. a2: I was pretty pissed off at a lot of the responses I got. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maarten" Subject: Re: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 11 Mar 2001 23:45:43 +0100 > >I totally agree here with c-Row. I have also spent more than Dfl 5000 on my > >KLF collection and I may say so that I have got a few rare things. > >I tracked these down in stores, from the internet and recordfairs with the > >help of some luck. > >If i can get hold of these items, so can you! > > Um, you do realize that with the very low print runs of certain KLF items, > that this is *impossible* right? IMPOSSIBLE. > Well, I didn't said that *ALL* items were available to *everyone*. So, i do realise that it's *impossible* to get everything. > You poeple seem to be prooving the "give me MP3s or you are a gready > bastard" guy right at every turn. I don't as I said before. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Snarfy Subject: (klf) Re: ftp Date: 11 Mar 2001 17:51:41 -0500 (EST) Pinknet has been pretty public on this list.. I'm talking about the former FTP site where pretty much anything and everything that THIS GROUP digitized showed up on.. it was HUGE!! It had all sorts of rare and long since forgotten items on it.. and it was during a time when i was limited to 28.8 connections.. anyone on the list has been able to get on pinknet..although lately it has just become a dumping ground for anything even vaguely klf related..ESPECIALLY stuff that is really easy to get ahold of, but people don't want to put in the effort to go buy it!! hmm.. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jai Subject: RE: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 11 Mar 2001 22:53:21 +0000 At 2:54 pm -0500 11/3/01, Snarfy wrote: >> Music is art and art has no mening if its not viewd, herd or felt. > It really scares me that you are the first person on the list to see this >point. >ONE other person on the list actually interested in the meaning of the >music other than myself.. but, they deleted their back catalog. surely if you are that concerned about the artist merit of their music, you'd respect their wish that no one be able to get hold of the material i mean, that was the whole point, wasn't it, that they'd finished in the music business as a group, and didn't want all the old stuff hanging around. so surely the meaning of the music is to be temporary. ever since 1987 that was the essence of the JAMs. if you didn't get your hands on it early enough, then too bad cos the rest of it was at the bottom of the north sea. and the same for all the rest since then. -- . -- --- Jai Nelson jai@illitrate.co.uk illitrate Publicashions http://www.illitrate.co.uk/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ChillOut Subject: RE: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 11 Mar 2001 18:30:51 -0500 well i've been to the auction list and there really isn't anything there that couldn't be found elsewhere - if the EFFORT was made http://www.opalmusic.com/ http://www.energy-music.com/ http://www.encorerecords.com/ http://www.sisterray.co.uk/ https://shop.keymailorder.com/ http://www.vinylexchange.co.uk/ http://www.vinyltap.co.uk/ and of course http://www.ebay.com/ and i'm sure this list is not exhaustive agreed if you want a collection of rarities then you'll end up paying but if you just want the music try some of the bootleg compilations you could do no better than buying K1 - "ultra rare trax" and guess what one of the above web sites has got this cd for sale at 15.99 ukp but i ain't tellin' you which because that would spoil all the fun ! of course you could decide to spend your money on food, drink, loose women or fast cars and that would be just fine - even if you didn't want to share - get it? demand world peace tim : ) + ( . 13 days until the spin - r u ready eddie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: RE: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 11 Mar 2001 23:56:43 > >but, they deleted their back catalog. > >i mean, that was the whole point, wasn't it, that they'd finished in >the music business as a group, and didn't want all the old stuff >hanging around. I always though that deleating their back catalog was to proove that they left the industry, and that they couldn't make money at it anymore, not to make the music impossible to find. Chad Gombosi Member SCP www.scponline.net Chad's Game Music Page www.chadsgamemusic.com MP3.com page: www.mp3.com/signofzeta "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) Re: ftp Date: 11 Mar 2001 19:01:16 EST > Pinknet has been pretty public on this list.. > I'm talking about the former FTP site where pretty much anything and > everything that THIS GROUP digitized showed up on.. > it was HUGE!! I take it you mean fnord. It has been shut down, probably permanently. Like Napster, it was a great thing to have available and a lot of people took advantage of it. But now that it's gone, be glad that you got what you could out of it and move on. You have no right to demand the same thing from others. It's like knowing the girl who sells popcorn at the movies. She doesn't ring up that popcorn every time you go. Then she quits. Now you're demanding free popcorn from the management of the cinema because you used to get it free before. Doesn't work that way. -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Derek Knight" Subject: RE: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 12 Mar 2001 04:41:19 -0000 I thought I'd throw my 2 cents into the ring, too! Having been a member on this list, and a collector of KLF rarities for only a few years (having only been 12 when they left the building) I think I've done pretty well. The list has helped increase my collection (both originals and bootlegs) and helped me find lots of Mp3s and Videos. In turn, I've passed copies these on to my friends who also love the KLF, but aren't internet whizzkids. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that we're all playing for the same team here. I've received nothing but help from the list members when it comes to spreading the wealth, but I don't blame anyone who wants to keep the really rare stuff to themselves (after all, beggars can't be chosers.) In either case, I've found that manners and a bit of patience work wonders. Also, I think Ford deserves a lot of respect and thanks for giving us list members the first chance to bid on his collection, rather than just whacking it all on ebay, or whatever. He's doing us all a favour, not showing off. As for the impossible to find stuff, as I'm a younger KLF fan, I'm hoping that maybe I'll be able to get my hands on it in 50 or so years when some of you older fans pass on... (And before I get flamed, that was a joke ;o) Cheers Del Derek Knight djnite@bigfoot.com http://www.djnite.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "c-Row" Subject: Re: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 12 Mar 2001 06:29:10 +0100 > Also, I think Ford deserves a lot of respect and thanks for giving us list > members the first chance to bid on his collection, rather than just whacking > it all on ebay, or whatever. He's doing us all a favour, not showing off. That´s a point. Ironic that the departure of Ford turned the formerly quiet list back into a discussion board. cy@ & special greets to Ford c-Row # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: c-Row Subject: (klf) As we discussed this somehow... Date: 12 Mar 2001 08:38:22 +0100 Hi, since there is the discussion about availability of some items... anyone out there who´s selling a KLF92 Promo 3 ? :-) cy@ c-Row # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Milestighe@aol.com Subject: (klf) bootlegs Date: 12 Mar 2001 03:29:30 EST I just have looked at all the emails to do with mp3's and bootlegs, which have been raised by the 'buy or burn' issue. Personally I think bootlegs are both a good thing and bad thing depending on the type of bootleg you're talking about. Bootlegs such as 'Ultra Rare Trax' are worth their weight in gold, because they make the otherwise 'ungettable' and stupidly rare mixes and trax 'gettable', helping the avid KLF fan (that's me) to really know what they are about. Also Mp3's are also useful to help to conplete the music back catalogue, no disputes from me. On the other hand, bootlegs which are simply counterfeit copies of original klf productions are not a good thing. Over the years i've bought 'Chillout', 'Space' and '1987', all of which have turned out to be duds. The music quality is v.good in all of them, but surely everyone wants a piece of the real KLF, I do, and it is disappointing. I've also noticed that copies of 'Space' and other LP's are being sold on ebay etc, alot of which have been 'Fake' look alikes. Ok, if the seller is only wanting it's real value (minimal) but they are being sold for rates you'd expect to pay for the REAL thing. The sad thing is, that there are so many out there, I shouldn't think that most traders even know they are selling fakes, and people are innocently paying over the odds. I'm a fan and would pay for things I really want, or have never heard, but being ripped off can kinda put you off. How many of you have had a really close look at your collections? Miles # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maarten" Subject: Re: (klf) Buy or burn Date: 12 Mar 2001 12:17:52 +0100 > Having been a member on this list, and a collector of KLF rarities for only > a few years (having only been 12 when they left the building) I think I've > done pretty well. As for the impossible to find stuff, as I'm a younger KLF fan, I'm hoping > that maybe I'll be able to get my hands on it in 50 or so years when some of > you older fans pass on... I was just wondering how old you all are. yesterday snarfy said: "been in the music industry since your parents were just a glimmer in your grandma's eyes.." That must make him.. erhm.. 45? Well, i was also 12 when the KLF left the building. (yes, i am 21) I became a fan since the radio broadcast of the dog bite mix. Then they released America, WTIL. Actually the first item which i bought. Since then, I never stopped searching for KLF items. Cheers, Maarten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Bruce Subject: RE: (klf) Kompetition CDs Date: 12 Mar 2001 17:19:58 +0000 (GMT) On Mon 12 Mar, Don Gagen wrote: > I would like to ask that we keep these exclusive to the list. I don't > want to see these tracks end up on some Russian CD sold on Ebay. I'm doing the CD-Rs that I'm doing as a favour to other people on this list, mainly the people who haven't got the modem speed, time, money or appropriate Internet access to have downloaded them themselves. It doesn't make it any more or less likely that the tracks will get spread around. Actually, I'd say that the fact they were MP3s downloadable via the Web means that they're much more likely to get spread via the Web than via CD-R. > There is something else to consider, we could chip in and have these > professionally done. Personally, and frankly, I think this idea is a bit of a non-starter. Sorry. - The people who're interested will almost all already have the tracks, either from downloading them themselves or from the CD-Rs I've been doing. - There are 3 CDs-worth of tracks. Assuming you could get them professionally done, you'd be looking at a minimum of 5ukp per disc (unless you got a BIG amount of interest), meaning each set would cost upwards of 15ukp plus postage, which might put a lot of people off. - In my opinion, only about 1 CDs-worth of the tracks are actually worth listening to more than once. If you decided to have a 'best of' the Kompetition tracks, then the debate about which tracks to include could go on for ever, and you could never have everybody happy... But, if several of the people who created the bootleg tracks were willing to put money towards getting a selection of tracks pressed onto proper CDs, then they should go for it, and I'd get a copy if the price and tracks were right. Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://www.egroups.com/group/utahsaints/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rockman=20Mike?= Subject: (klf) The Calm After The Storm Date: 13 Mar 2001 21:38:27 +0000 (GMT) It's gone very quiet out there. Mike ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: laerm Subject: (klf) copyright violation Date: 13 Mar 2001 17:11:55 -0500 (EST) :( http://foxnews.com/foxlife/031301/frowny.sml i figured a KLF fan would appreciate this. micah stupak /"\ laerm@soulfood.org ascii ribbon campaign \ / international bright young kook against HTML email X / \ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Bruce Subject: Re: (klf) The Calm After The Storm Date: 14 Mar 2001 00:47:58 +0000 (GMT) On Tue 13 Mar, Rockman Mike wrote: > > It's gone very quiet out there. It always does this after an argument. It's like everybody wakes up the next day and realises that there's nothing KLF-related and new to talk about so it all goes quiet again. Better quiet than wildly off-topic, in my opinion. Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://www.egroups.com/group/utahsaints/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Gagen Subject: (klf) Jimmy vs. Placebo Date: 13 Mar 2001 18:56:10 -0600 I was just listening to this and the regular version of "Every You Every Me", and wondering if the rest of tracks on the album are as good? "Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry." D. Banner DONALD D GAGEN MAILTO:DGAGEN@ENSEMBLESTUDIOS.COM ENSEMBLE STUDIOS http://www.ensemblestudios.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Earnshaw Subject: (klf) Kompetition Tracks Date: 14 Mar 2001 09:46:58 +0000 Are you sitting comfortably? Then I'll begin.... I had a fairly lousy day at work yesterday, whinging clients, tight deadlines, and stupid questions. Managed to leave work at about 2030, took the (very delayed) tube home, and got soaked walking from the station to my flat. When I got into my flat I had three items of mail - 1) a large credit card bill, 2) a letter from my landlord telling me that my rent was going up by nearly 20%, and 3) a small padded envelope with a handwritten address. Confused, as I rarely get personal mail, and fairly miserable given the events of the day so far, I opened the padded envelope and found a number of CDs inside - the Kompetiton tracks that I'd ordered from Stuart - Woo Hoo! I sat down, opened a rather nice bottle of wine, and sat back and listened to all three of the CDs in one sitting and was absolutely amazed at how good a great number of the tracks were (OK, there are a few suspect tracks - but that's just my opinion). A huge range of styles and interpretations on the KLF theme - all in all a great listen, and a well spent fiver. Given how lousy my day had been up until that point it really made a great impact - thanks to everyone on the list who contributed tracks to the komp - you each played a little part in improving my evening last night (well, the two bottles of Rioja may have also played a small part.....) Thanks Craig! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Hopkins Subject: Re: (klf) Kompetition Tracks Date: 07 Mar 2001 12:13:49 +0000 Ahem....I seem to have missed this....am I too late to order some Stuart? >Confused, as I rarely get personal mail, and fairly miserable given the >events of the day so far, I opened the padded envelope and found a >number of CDs inside - the Kompetiton tracks that I'd ordered from >Stuart - Woo Hoo! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "PHILIP WARD" <97146999@luton.ac.uk> Subject: (klf) chill out Date: 14 Mar 2001 13:19:03 -0000 This months 'loaded' magazine features a review of 'chill out'. Boring usual sweeping remarks about those 'crazy guys' and a small bio. nothing new. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Allan" Subject: (klf) KLF fan madness Date: 14 Mar 2001 13:34:38 +0000 Alright folks? Although lurking on the list for several years I very rarely post anything, but much enjoy most of the missives. I was just wondering what extremes people have gone too in order to demonstrate their 'devotion' to the KLF. For my own part, other than spending a fortune (and a lot of time) kollecting klf & related records, magazines, books, cd's, posters, etc. I have had the JAMs diamond logo from 1987 tattooed on my arm. I'm sure Bill would be totally unimpressed! (And probably run a mile.) Amazingly the tattoo artist recognised it when I showed him the pic. Anyone done anything similar? Steve. PS I can remember my local indie record shop having many copies of the 1987 LP (in 1987) & I didn't even buy one! How stupid do I feel now? I still don't have an original copy, only a couple of bootlegs. I only truly discovered the KLF in 1991, arse! -- The JAMs Are Gonna Tattoo Ya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: klf@my24.com Subject: (klf) 1987, Soho, £47 Date: 14 Mar 2001 14:05:26 -0000 Hi, in case anyone cares Music & Video Exchange Berwick Street London W1 has what seems to be an original version of 1987 for £47 (reduced from £50...). Asbjorn -- Get your firstname@lastname email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "henrik uddemar" Subject: Re: (klf) KLF fan madness Date: 14 Mar 2001 15:39:13 http://uddis.linuxgods.com/Mvc-205f.jpg >The JAMs Are Gonna Tattoo Ya O yes BtW do you have an image? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Courtney Sloan Subject: (klf) The white room movie Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:53:39 -0500 I have a copy of the White Room on a CD. It came from a web site, so the visual quality isn't terrific (it plays with Windows Media Player) but the sound is intact, and I still find it enjoyable to watch. It is too big to upload to my free server (651 MB) but if someone wants a copy, I might be able to transfer it over over AOL IM or ICQ. Email me privately if you are interested. Love, Courtney # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Robinson Subject: Re: (klf) The Calm After The Storm Date: 14 Mar 2001 16:59:14 +0000 Stuart Bruce wrote: > It always does this after an argument. It's like everybody wakes up the > next day and realises that there's nothing KLF-related and new to talk > about so it all goes quiet again. Which reminds me... Has anyone else got an album called 'the green door' by v/vm? It's quite possibly the most klf-influenced album ever - so much copyright abuse it's unbelievable (several entire tracks ripped off unaltered!), a lengthy sleeve-note story about the green door that parallels the white room tale, 23 tracks - one of which is called 'a day up north' that is full of distorted 'whoo' noises - need I go on? Musically they have set out to make the most unlistenable record ever (which might explain the pay no more than £4.99 pricetag) and I think they have achieved it. I seriously doubt anyone could sit through it from beginning to end. Highlights include 6 minutes of pigs squealing, the Minipops (remember them?) and Craig David being fed through an abbotoir's worth of distortion and detuning effects. Chris Rhea, Falco and the BBC snooker theme get a right pasting, and if "please stop I've had enough" doesn't make you laugh and cry all at once, I'll be surprised. Highly recommended for obsessive klf fans in search of 2001's "1987", deaf people, or people who want a party to stop quickly! - Andy_R # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Quahogs !" Subject: Re: v/vm, etc (was: (klf) The Calm After The Storm) Date: 14 Mar 2001 13:10:14 -0500 >Which reminds me... > >Has anyone else got an album called 'the green door' by v/vm? I love it when two mailing lists i'm on crash into each other topically! v/vm is great. and, there' a ton of free mp3s on their website, which i dont have the url of at work. my personal fave is what they did to "total eclipse of the heart." classic. wait, i tracked down the URL: http://www.brainwashed.com/vvm/ here's a backdoor to their mp3s: http://brainwashed.com/vvm/audio/ happy listening! oh, and one more thing: for copyright violation happiness, check out www.droplift.com and www.evolution-control.com (the former a compilation project; the latter a band (who's performing on friday in the southern ohio/ northern kentucky USA area)) there's more where that came from, too; just ask! --Quahogs-- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Derek Knight" Subject: (klf) RE: v/vm, etc Date: 14 Mar 2001 18:32:07 -0000 > >Has anyone else got an album called 'the green door' by v/vm? > > v/vm is great. and, there' a ton of free mp3s on their website, which i > dont have the url of at work. my personal fave is what they did > to "total eclipse of the heart." classic. I'm ahuge fan, too, and interstingly, there are "quotes" supposedly from Bill Drummond on their website. My favourite tracks have to be their Double A-Side ripping off Spiller and Victoria Beckham & The Truesteppers, their version of Chris De Burgh's Lady In Red, and Robbie William's Angels from the genius Sick Love album. > 'a day up north' that is full of distorted 'whoo' noises - need I go on? I noticed that, too. Good stuff all round. Del Derek Knight djnite@bigfoot.com http://www.djnite.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Derek Knight" Subject: (klf) Reebok Ad Date: 14 Mar 2001 19:33:53 -0000 Sounds like it wasn't Jimmy after all, but DJ Shadow (from NME.com) http://www.nme.com/NME/External/News/News_Story/0,1004,20604,00.html "REEBOK DJ DJ SHADOW is understood to have contributed the soundtrack to the new REEBOK advert. A spokesperson for Shadow's British management could not verify the story, but if it is true it would be his first work since 1998's UNKLE album. The commercial, named 'Defy', is reported as being a remix of the 'William Tell Overture' and sounding similar to the original trailer to 'A Clockwork Orange'. Go to www.adcritic.com to listen to and watch the advert." So there we go... Del Derek Knight djnite@bigfoot.com http://www.djnite.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) RE: v/vm, etc Date: 14 Mar 2001 15:06:44 EST > > v/vm is great. and, there' a ton of free mp3s on their website, What's the URL? -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) RE: v/vm, etc Date: 14 Mar 2001 15:08:01 EST > > > v/vm is great. and, there' a ton of free mp3s on their website, > > What's the URL? doh! nevermind. Read the emails backwards. -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jai Subject: (klf) operation MF? Date: 15 Mar 2001 06:29:00 +0000 there's a pub in london on Broadgate, opposite the ABN Amro building... the Slippery Toad i think its called, or something to do with frogs anyway and its being refurnished... or gutted, cos all the windows have been whitewashed and there's loads of builders inside. and on one of the windows, on the Spittlefield side, someone's drawn into the whitewash "FTM" just wondered if it one of you lot :) :) -- -- jai@illitrate.co.uk --- I see a red door and i want to paint it black No colours anymore i want them to turn black I see the girls walk by in their summer clothes i have to turn my head until my darkness goes i want to see it painted, painted black black as night, black as a hole i wanna see the sun, blotted out of the sky - Rolling Stones, 'Paint it black' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Bruce Subject: Re: (klf) Kompetition Tracks Date: 15 Mar 2001 10:23:40 +0000 (GMT) On Wed 14 Mar, Craig Earnshaw wrote: > Confused, as I rarely get personal mail, and fairly miserable given > the events of the day so far, I opened the padded envelope and found a > number of CDs inside - the Kompetiton tracks that I'd ordered from > Stuart - Woo Hoo! Hey, if I'd known that sending you the discs was going to make you feel more popular as well as help you hear the Kompetition tracks then I would have charged more money... Glad the discs arrived safely and you seem happy with them. Other people who've sent me a payment for the discs might want to know that the number of discs requested is currently slightly outweighing the number of hours available in my day to burn the discs, so there's about a 3-day delay before I'm sending the discs out. Hopefully nobody minds. Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://www.egroups.com/group/utahsaints/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Bruce Subject: Re: (klf) Kompetition Tracks Date: 15 Mar 2001 10:23:40 +0000 (GMT) On Wed 14 Mar, Craig Earnshaw wrote: > Confused, as I rarely get personal mail, and fairly miserable given > the events of the day so far, I opened the padded envelope and found a > number of CDs inside - the Kompetiton tracks that I'd ordered from > Stuart - Woo Hoo! Hey, if I'd known that sending you the discs was going to make you feel more popular as well as help you hear the Kompetition tracks then I would have charged more money... Glad the discs arrived safely and you seem happy with them. Other people who've sent me a payment for the discs might want to know that the number of discs requested is currently slightly outweighing the number of hours available in my day to burn the discs, so there's about a 3-day delay before I'm sending the discs out. Hopefully nobody minds. Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://www.egroups.com/group/utahsaints/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Snarfy Subject: (klf) it's too quiet! Date: 15 Mar 2001 20:53:53 -0500 (EST) maybe i should start another fight.. at least the conversation got interesting for a while.. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Bennett" Subject: (klf) MTV's two hit wonders show Date: 16 Mar 2001 10:59:26 -0500 I take it no one else say mtv's two hit wonders show which featured a slot about the KLF.. Wasn't much..but there was a good comment by the narrator.. "If anyone was looking for a personality behind the music, they're still looking" pretty much featured 3 am eternal, then had comments about how they got tammy to sing for them, and showed a clip of the vid.. pretty cool nonetheless.. I didn't think the american MTV gave a damn about them anymore..(certainlly haven't played any of their videos in a number of years.) Oh yeah..I forgot..MTV doesn't play videos anymore..my bad.. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: danhutchins@core.com Subject: Re: (klf) MTV's two hit wonders show Date: 16 Mar 2001 15:11:00 -0600 (CST) I also saw this show. As usual, American MTV missed the point of the KLF completely! Far from being a two hit wonder in their own right, Bill Drummond was also the manager and sometime produer of Echo and Teardrop, which in my estimation would make him something of an alternative Barry Gordi/Phil Spector. MTV's researchers must be on dope. Dan Hutchins # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Quahogs !" Subject: Re: (klf) MTV's two hit wonders show Date: 16 Mar 2001 16:35:49 -0500 >MTV's researchers must be on dope. Hmm. Isn't "MTV's researchers" like an oxymoron or something? In a related [but not to the KLF] question, did Jim Thirlwell work for MTV? --Quahogs-- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ford Timelord Subject: (klf) buy or burn Date: 17 Mar 2001 22:27:16 +0100 Sorry not to update the list...but i had a bad computer crashdown... I will update it as fast as possible.... Please note that i added some more records that i found again in a corner... Over and Out! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Torsten Pattberg" Subject: (klf) Shirts on ebay :-) Date: 18 Mar 2001 13:01:54 +0100 Have you seen the "nice" t-shirts on ebay... :-) -- Torsten Pattberg www.klf.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "happy consumer!" Subject: Re: (klf) MTV's two hit wonders show Date: 19 Mar 2001 12:00:23 -0800 >Hmm. Isn't "MTV's researchers" like an oxymoron or something? it's all about market research down at the mtv consumer zombie lab. how else could "music television" exist without the music? they're alot smarter than i'd like to give them credit for. smart at keeping music and art at a cheap, disposable and marketable level, and getting away with it. >I also saw this show. As usual, American MTV missed the point of the >KLF completely! indeed it's tragic that they go on the record as a 2 hit wonder, when theyve accomplished the grand. mtv would be opening a can of worms if they got into it. and in a way, i think i would hate it if it was left to mtv to tell the world how cool and subversive the KLF are. now that would be missing the point. it would be like the principal of a grade school promoting the troublemaker/prankster kid. or like the illuminati praising the jams. it's almost better this way. in a hundred years people will look back and see who the innovators were. the classics are always left standing. it will be obvious they were more than a 2 hit wonder. and i doubt they are done yet. then the media will wonder how all this deep shit slipped by them. perhaps. happyconsumer. Visit the world's greatest site at http://www.farts.com and listen to the fart of the day. Also, get your very own farts.com E-mail account. FREE!!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Hauner Subject: (klf) ChillOut vs. Lily Was Here Date: 20 Mar 2001 00:41:50 +0100 (CET) Hi, I just listening to 'Dave Stewart & Candy Dulfer - Lily Was Here (Extended Version).mp3' from end of 80's. On the beginning (0:00 - 1:25) and in the middle of track (3:15 - 4:20) I have feeling that is some next part of ChillOut. Rest of song has some mixed noises and voice samples in a little same style as KLF's masterpiece. Could be there some influence? Is my feeling abou similarity just feeling or real fact? If you don't know this track, you can d/l for research from: http://web.pinknet.cz/aha/lilyext.zip 7.6MB (as Paul say: We liberate this sound in the name of Mu) -- Adam Hauner -=[ AHA ]=[ aha@pinknet.cz ]=[ Koukni na http://www.postcard.cz/ ]=- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Gagen Subject: RE: (klf) ChillOut vs. Lily Was Here Date: 19 Mar 2001 17:45:53 -0600 I assume this is one of the Orb remixes. I'm not sure about the exact sample, but the remix was done during the period that Jim Cauty was with the Orb. Don "I just listening to 'Dave Stewart & Candy Dulfer - Lily Was Here (Extended Version).mp3' from end of 80's. On the beginning (0:00 - 1:25) and in the middle of track (3:15 - 4:20) I have feeling that is some next part of ChillOut. Rest of song has some mixed noises and voice samples in a little same style as KLF's masterpiece. Could be there some influence? Is my feeling abou similarity just feeling or real fact?" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gfe Subject: (klf) music on tv Date: 20 Mar 2001 02:26:00 -0800 (PST) Trigger Happy TV on Britain's E4 plays "Build a Fire" during one of the pranks. "Nothing Ever Lasts Forever" by Echo & The Bunnymen is also used (episode 2 season 1 i think). g __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: (klf) Abba vs KLF and Napster Date: 20 Mar 2001 08:13:11 EST This may be slightly OT but I think it does have something to do with The KLF. I have just been on Napster since they started taking off songs that were copyrighted and for a bit of fun I decided to do a search for Abba (to see if Abba have done the same thing they did to 1987). And guess what? The bitches behind Abba have struck again. Most Abba songs have been removed from Napster so it seems they have done the same thing they did with 1987 to Napster. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thug" Subject: RE: (klf) Abba vs KLF and Napster Date: 20 Mar 2001 21:16:19 -0000 Okay, so maybe this was flame bait, but I've just been rereading "Will Pop Eat Itself" by Jeremy J Beadle (found it for £3 in Queensway) so these thoughts have been at the front of my mind anyway. > This may be slightly OT but I think it does have something to do > with The KLF. I have just been on Napster since they started > taking off songs that were copyrighted and for a bit of fun I > decided to do a search for Abba (to see if Abba have done the > same thing they did to 1987). No matter which way you slice it, Abba were well within their rights when it came to coming down on 1987 like a tonne of bricks. 'The Queen and I' uses excessively large "samples" (it's almost 'Dancing Queen' with samples added, really), and it places them in a context which not all artists would particularly like. Why *shouldn't* they have done what they did? When Bill and Jimmy went to Sweden at the last minute, they weren't going there to claim that Abba had no right to do what they were doing. (They did.) They were just going to see if they could come to an arrangement (such as happens with most samples used these days.) And really, in all honesty, I've never believed that Bill and Jimmy really cared enough, or maybe even wanted, to "save" their album. If they were serious about making a deal, why not just pick up a phone, rather than making an 11th hour trip by sea only to arrive too late for anyone to be at the offices? Why burn copies on the way back, rather than just returning them to the distributors like the record stores were doing? And why write the whole lot up and get the story told in NME, unless really all they wanted was some interesting press and a good story to add to the KLF "mystique". Looked at from this perspective, Abba played right into their hands. > And guess what? The bitches behind Abba have struck again. > Most Abba songs have been removed from > Napster so it seems they have done the same thing they did with > 1987 to Napster. Not sure about your use of gender here, since Abba were both male and female, and indeed, Benny and Bjorn wrote most of the music, whereas the girls usually just performed, so it would probably be those "bastards" that are behind it if anything. (More likely it's their record company, or even their American distributor.) But it's also crazy to try to equate the 1987 situation with the Napster situation, except to say that both involve blatent theft of intellectual property. But if anything, Napster is an even more clear-cut case. Is this the cue to start the whole "why do some people expect to get their KLF music for nothing" thread again? Michael (Incidentally, I've used Napster many times to sample music, or to grab live and/or extended mixes that I couldn't otherwise get. I've even grabbed tracks I just liked a number of times too. And I actually believe all this cracking down by Napster is futile anyway, since there will always be loopholes, or something else will just come along to replace it. I just don't kid myself that Copyright law isn't being broken every second.) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Torsten Pattberg" Subject: Re: (klf) music on tv Date: 20 Mar 2001 23:32:12 +0100 > Trigger Happy TV on Britain's E4 plays "Build a Fire" > during one of the pranks. Yes, they also used it in the german version. Forgot to mention it! -- Torsten Pattberg www.klf.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: neil sampson Subject: (klf) videos, remixes and reissues ? Date: 21 Mar 2001 09:16:02 +0000 Hi there everyone, just a quick email to let you all know that my vids have arrived back from marek safe&sound - so i'm now ready for a quiet bottle of wine and perusing the white room movie once more in the comfort of my home ! In addition to that package arriving thru the post, the kompetition cds arrived back from stuart. 3 nicely grouped cds with a huge collection of interpretations on them...i'll just take this opportunity to say that you're all barking mad ! most of them made me chuckle quite a bit, don't know if i've got a definite favourite though. On a completely other topic, don't know if anyone's noticed, but HMV in Oxford St, London have loads of vinyl copies of Space up for grabs throughout their shop. I haven't examined these any further, but I expect they're coming from the same source as the 1987 and chill out repress/bootleg/reissues...maybe worth checking out if you don't have a copy already. cheerio neil ps - i've just got my mitts on a kaoss pad, wicked fun, looking forward to monkeying around with various klf tracks myself ! ___________________________________________ It's amazing what happens when you breathe. www.breathe.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Hultman Subject: (klf) Wanda Dee and the KLF Date: 22 Mar 2001 09:12:11 +0100 Hello list. I recently got an e-mail from a theater director in distress. I don't know about the truthfulness of his story, but here it is: Hey there. Im a theatre director in America. Recently, I had a women and her husband audition for Les Liaisons Dangereuses, and her name was Wanda Dee and she said she was KLF. Now...I was raised in England, and I remember KLF, and I somewhat remember the voice...but I knew they were two men. Well, to make a long story short...she has turned out to be a nightmare!!!!! I ended up firing her, and would love to have more information on who she is and what she is. Do you have any of this information? I would love it if you did!!! Email me with this or anything else you can give me! What should I reply to him? anders ------------------------- http://anders.hultman.nu/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Parker Subject: RE: (klf) Wanda Dee and the KLF Date: 22 Mar 2001 08:54:37 -0000 Anders > > Dish the dirt. If it is the same Wanda Dee she already has a history of > trying to be something she isn't. Didn't she tour the US as the KLF back in > the early 90's. I always thought she looked full of her own self > importance, with the smug face she had in the Stadium House Videos. Wanda > your fifteen minutes of fame were used up 10 years ago, give it up. This e-mail message and any attachment(s) are CONFIDENTIAL and may contain legally privileged information. 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Cheers again Stuart Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) Wanda Dee and the KLF Date: 22 Mar 2001 08:49:58 EST In a message dated Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:20:22 Greenwich Mean Time, Anders Hultman writes: << Hey there. Im a theatre director in America. Recently, I had a women and her husband audition for Les Liaisons Dangereuses, and her name was Wanda Dee and she said she was KLF. >> This comes from The KLF FAQ at including info about Wanda Dee http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/2399/faq1005.html 1.005: I just heard that the KLF are playing my town! I thought you said they'd retired? The KLF did very few live performances when they were active under that name (see 1.009), and (obviously) none since their retirement. Sometime KLF guest- vocalist Wanda Dee, on the other hand, has performed hundreds of dates round the world for the past three years under the names "The KLF featuring Wanda Dee", "Wanda Dee and The New KLF", "Wanda Dee and the KLF experience" and so forth, which *strangely* always seem to be advertised by promoters as just "The KLF". This is probably what you saw a flyer for. Bill and Jimi have nothing whatsoever to do with these "concerts" and would like very much to see them stopped, but it's difficult to pursue legal action against her unless she performs in the UK, which so far she has been savvy enough not to do. (She's played dates in Russia and Estonia, though!) If you want to spend your hard-earned money to watch a woman gyrate on-stage to pre-taped KLF music, by all means, please attend. :-) There is a review by a KLF fan on the ftp ar! chive, which you should read if you want an idea of what the show will be like. Whenever Wanda is questioned (either by the press or KLF fans in the audience of one of her shows) she comes up with an explanation somewhat like this: All 90's dance music is constructed in the studio by production teams and this can never be recreated live on stage. However the performers (dancers singers etc.) on the record can play live. She says she is the co-writer and singer of all the biggest hits on The White Room and she was the reason those songs were hits. This is a *slight* misrepresentation of the truth however. The KLF sampled vocal snatches from her (erotic?) rap record "To The Bone" on Tuff City Records and included them in WTIL? and the single version of LTTT. When Wanda's manager heard these records they sued the KLF and the out-of-court settlement was that Wanda would get a cash payment, co- co-writing credits on these songs, and hence publishing royalties, and appearances in the videos for these songs. I expect that if the KLF had known the trouble she wou! ld cause them they wouldn't have sampled her. It's up to you to decide whether the non-inclusion of "I wanna see you sweat" and "Come on boy d'ya wanna ride" would have detracted from these songs. Stuart Young has much material on how to spike her if she appears near you. E-Mail him for details (stuey@easynet.co.uk). Here is the site with the faq about Wanda Dee html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ford Timelord Subject: (klf) Burn or buy - My auction Date: 22 Mar 2001 16:47:48 +0100 Hi folks, just to remind you.... I'm selling my whole collection. Actual bids can be seen at http://people.freenet.de/fordtimelord Auctions ends on saturday 31.03.01 at 23:00 Central European Time Over and Out! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick King" Subject: (klf) Last Train To Transcentral (Benio Mixes)? Date: 22 Mar 2001 22:17:30 -0000 From the discography: -- ::: The JAMS, The Timelords, The KLF, K Foundation, and KLF Communications ::: -- The KLF: Last Train To Trancentral (live from the lost continent) [22 Apr 1991] single 12": 1991 GE (??; ??) 4:50 Last Train To Trancentral (benio over and out) 6:37 Last Train To Trancentral (benio dub) Does this exist? I assume it does due to the fact that there's a time against the 'benio dub'... I have the 'Deep Heat 10' CD, but have never seen this one out there - anyone? Cheers, Nick King ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MICHAEL KENNEDY Subject: (klf) vinyl for sale Date: 22 Mar 2001 22:24:58 +0000 still offering the following vinyl for sale kylie said to jason (7") uptight (7") downtown (12") what time is love (live at trancentral/wandaful) doctorin the tardis (12") little fluffy clouds (danny tenaglia/adam freeland mix 12") if interested e mail me best offer gets __________________________________________________________________ Get your own free web email at http://www.looksmart.co.uk LookSmart UK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Allan" Subject: (klf) klf tattoos Date: 23 Mar 2001 20:58:06 +0000 Hi Folks, Finally I've got it together, see link for my tattoo pics. I have bigger better bmp's if anyone really cares to see them. http://www.geocities.com/mumu23uk/KLFtat01.html Also cheers to Stuart for the Kompetition CD's, nice work fella. Steve. -- The JAMs Are Gonna Tattoo Ya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Allan" Subject: (klf) oops Date: 23 Mar 2001 21:08:19 +0000 Sorry: http://www.geocities.com/mumu23uk/KLF_Tattoo_Photos_01.html -- The JAMs Are Gonna Tattoo Ya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lindgren" Subject: (klf) RE:reissues + more Date: 24 Mar 2001 14:08:49

Hello everybody

>On a completely other topic, don't know if anyone's noticed, but HMV in Oxford
>St, London have loads of vinyl copies of Space up for grabs throughout their
>shop.  I haven't examined these any further, but I expect they're coming from
>the same source as the 1987 and chill out repress/bootleg/reissues...maybe worth
>checking out if you don't have a copy already.
 
I know we had the discussion about wether 1987 & Chill out was repressed or what, I never replied at the time but as I was lucky enough to be in London the same week they came up on the shelves at HMV in London, so I bought them booth and I´m almost certain that 1987 is a repress and I know that Chill out is a repress, as I got the original lp.
The sleeve on the repress isn´t to good I think the quality on the print is nearly ok, but the colours aren´t good.
 
The original chill out lp, complete with sticker "file under ambient" and in great shape, was found in my towns only second hand records shop for 40 SEK= less than 3 UKP, how do you like that price?
 
 
KLF have been played alot on swedish radio for a while, also on the commercial radio,
A radioshow called Popnonstop in P3 had KLF as thier 3from1 a couple a weeks ago, they played 3 a.m., lttt and J&A and talked alot about them burning the lps on a field outside Stockholm.
A show nightlife also in P3 requests the listeners to call in to wish for a track and 4-5 listeners a show ( 3 hrs) are let through to speak on air to wish their track. I called in and wished for 3 a.m. and came trough, nice.
Every saturday now for 7-8 weeks J&A has been played at the same time around 8.30 p.m. on RixFM, commercial radio.
 
 
When I was in London, one year and a week ago ( thats how much I´m after with posting to the list, I´ve got loads of post-it notes with things that I should email to the list, but never have time, lucky my postings aren´t to relevant...) I also went to Gimpo´s pub called The Foundry to have a couple beers and also shook hands with him. I had phone contact with klf list member Torsten Pattberg under the weekend  and we talked about doing something, but he said he rather go to a movie or smtg.
 
Also I bought alot of KLF and releated for ex. the  Gary in the tardis 12" with Gary on the sleeve at Sister Ray. On the sleeve was a little sticker, you know the one you put on cds and stuff with your name, adress and phone. The name on mine was Scott Piering adress etc etc. NICE. Perhaps someone sold it to Sister Ray after him moving on?


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# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Milestighe@aol.com Subject: (klf) fordtimelord Date: 24 Mar 2001 11:04:37 EST Can someone give me the site address of Ford's sale list? I am away from home and don't know it! Miles # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: (klf) KLF record label at Amazon Date: 24 Mar 2001 19:38:00 EST I did a search today at Amazon for KLF to see what would come up. All the usually stuff came up (White Room/Chill Out/etc/etc) but also this other CD came up. I wonder if anyone has any idea what this is it's called Hits N' Pieces by Spacedust and it's released under the label KLF. Is this anything to do with KLF Communications or Bill & Jimmy or is it just a record label using the letters KLF. If anyone wants to look at it, it's at http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004TVV5/qid=985480591/sr=1-2/026-0489357-8107655 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) KLF record label at Amazon Date: 24 Mar 2001 20:51:38 EST > I wonder if anyone has any idea what this is it's called Hits N' Pieces by > Spacedust and it's released under the label KLF. Is this anything to do with > KLF Communications or Bill & Jimmy or is it just a record label using the > letters KLF. If anyone wants to look at it, it's at No connection. -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Cabrera Subject: Re: (klf) RE:reissues + more Date: 24 Mar 2001 21:11:30 -0500 > >A show nightlife also in P3 requests the listeners to call in to wish > for a track and > >4-5 listeners a show ( 3 hrs) are let through to speak on air to wish > their track. I > >called in and wished for 3 a.m. and came trough, nice. Every saturday > now for > >7-8 weeks J&A has been played at the same time around 8.30 p.m. on > RixFM, > >commercial radio. In Europe it's "wishing," in the US it's > "requesting." heheh... > >I had phone contact with klf list member Torsten Pattberg under the > weekend > >and we talked about doing something, but he said he rather go to a > movie or smtg. > > There you say "under the weekend," here we say "over the weekend." > > Anyway, it's the same language, I just found it amusing. Sorry this > has nothing to do with the KLF. I've gotta visit the UK eventually. > Or anywhere outside the US for that matter. Somewhere where musicians > have more than just 15 minutes of fame. Where artists own the music > they write. Oh, ok, here's something KLFesque. Does Arista have any > right to ask Napster to block KLF songs? I assume that IF they can do > that, they could only ask that the songs released on the Arista label > be blocked, and not the others. I guess TVT or Blow Up or any of the > other labels could do most of the rest though. Although, being in the > US, I don't see the whole scope of what's going on with Napster; do > any of the euro-list members know if any european (as if that's all > there is in this world: US and Europe) labels are going to request > that the songs be blocked from napster? Do they care as much? Do I > care? Well, yes, or I wouldn't have wasted all this time rambling. > Blah. > > Daniel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Cabrera Subject: Re: (klf) Abba vs KLF and Napster (OT) Date: 24 Mar 2001 22:59:10 -0500 Fact is, if an artist is good, napster or no naptser, people will buy their stuff. If ANYthing, Napster is a great filter to prove which artists have it and which ones are tools or just in it for the money. The artists who are more afraid than anyone else are the ones who have about one or two good songs per album and are worried that if people can get those two songs on Napster, they won't want the rest of the album. And they're probably right. It's not the listener's fault that you can't put more than 2 decent songs on your album. Get some talent and THEN put out an album. Until then stop whining that people don't want to buy 40 minutes of crap. Now, I'm not justifying copyright infringement. I write music, so I can understand the need to keep tabs on one's music. But musicians who are in it for the love of music and not for the love of money (which, by the way, is a smooth O'Jays song), will agree that it's not about how many albums you sell, it's about making music and getting other people to hear and love it, since really, the record labels are making all the money. When you download an album from napster, the artist may lose 3=A2 or so, but the record company loses $10. So really it's the record industries who are losing money. Which, incidentally, is why you don't hear a whole lot of complaining from the artists (with the exception of Metallica and Dr. Dre, who no one downloads anyway). You hear complaints from the recording industry, who are pissing their pants at the thought of losing the mind-control devices they have. For all of you in the UK and the rest of Europe, I don't know that it applies as much. I've heard the musical climate is much nicer there.=20 HERE, the radio feeds you what the record companies want to be top 10 hits and they become top 10 hits. Sometimes they're ok and we actually get to listen to some good songwriting, but even when that happens, it's not usually the songwriting of the artist performing it. It's some unknown composer for Jive Records who knows his stuff, but all we hear is Britney whining over top of it (not that Stronger hasn't grown on me or anything). The media and the RIAA get to choose what we listen to, so to them, this person-to-person sharing is a threat to their control. It's that fact that scares them most and that's why they want Napster down. Hell, there are plenty of artists who avidly support napster, (http://www.napster.com/speakout/artists.html). Granted that's not every artist, but still, it's evidence enough that it's the record labels who are whining about it, not the artists. The artists understand what it's like to write music because you want to create something that people will love, or connect with, or just understand. So if Abba was one of those groups who had some nameless guy doing all the work behind their band and they're upset that people are stealing their songs, poo poo for them. Get some talent.=20 But more likely, it's Abba's recording label that's going to do the real bitching about it. And speaking of bitching, I've done enough. This is not what the KLF are about. Daniel Thug Wrote: > > > And guess what? The bitches behind Abba have struck again. > > Most Abba songs have been removed from > > Napster so it seems they have done the same thing they did with > > 1987 to Napster. > > Not sure about your use of gender here, since Abba were both male and > female, and indeed, Benny and Bjorn wrote most of the music, whereas th= e > girls usually just performed, so it would probably be those "bastards" = that > are behind it if anything. (More likely it's their record company, or e= ven > their American distributor.) > > But it's also crazy to try to equate the 1987 situation with the Napste= r > situation, except to say that both involve blatent theft of intellectua= l > property. But if anything, Napster is an even more clear-cut case. > > Is this the cue to start the whole "why do some people expect to get th= eir > KLF music for nothing" thread again? > > Michael > > (Incidentally, I've used Napster many times to sample music, or to grab= live > and/or extended mixes that I couldn't otherwise get. I've even grabbed > tracks I just liked a number of times too. And I actually believe all t= his > cracking down by Napster is futile anyway, since there will always be > loopholes, or something else will just come along to replace it. I just > don't kid myself that Copyright law isn't being broken every second.) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Derek Knight" Subject: RE: (klf) Abba vs KLF and Napster (OT) Date: 25 Mar 2001 06:29:33 +0100 It's all irrelevant, in my opinion. The majors have survived punk and home taping, so why not this? And if Napster *does* survive, then it will simply mutate into the new monster. It isn't some hippy-commune style anti-capitalist protest machine. In 5 years it'll be feeding us what is most profitable, just like commercial radio. Bring on Jivester. And for some reason, as irrational as we all know it is, it's still a great feeling to hand your cash over for a little round slice of plastic. The silly money that's bandied around for KLF rarieties that are easily available on mp3 is enough to prove that. That said, maybe in 50 years time there will be mp3 bores just like there are vinyl bores these days. Probably by then you'll be able to download stuff direct into your brain, or something. So, quite frankly, fuck the revolution. Del Derek Knight djnite@bigfoot.com http://www.djnite.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lindgren" Subject: (klf) A Falconer? Date: 25 Mar 2001 16:37:23 Hello eberybody, I was searching for KLF at eil.com and they recommended me to also check out releated artists as Disco 2ooo and Andy Falconer? Who is Andy Falconer and what is his link to KLF? >Searching Database for...    artist like 'Klf '... Related Artists: Andy Falconer, Bill Drummond, Disco 2000, Justified Ancients Of Mu Mu, Klf, Solid Gold Chartbusters, Space (on KLF Comm), Timelords - david _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lindgren" Subject: (klf) Abba vs KLF and Napster Date: 25 Mar 2001 17:37:36 Hello everybody. I work in a cdstore and generally I don´t like Napster too much, but I don´t care if people use it, especially as full length cds are really expensive in Sweden now. I use it only in"emergency", when I can´t find the track to buy it anywhere on the web or in a store. For example when the Bomfunk Mc´s "uprocking beats" with a Utah saints remix was released I bought it from Amazon for a total of 210 SEK=13 UKP ( and had to wait 5 weeks for the delivery), for a cdsingle. Instead of downloading it "for free". A funny thing is that last year the sales of music in Sweden was higher than the year before, even though more and more people are using Napster. >Get>some talent and THEN put out an album. Until then stop whining >that>people>don't want to buy 40 minutes of crap. Now, I'm not justifying >copyright>infringement. I write music, so I can understand the need to >keep tabs>on one's>music. But musicians who are in it for the love of >music and not for>the love>of money (which, by the way, is a smooth O'Jays >song), will agree that >it's not>about how many albums you sell, it's about making music Well is it? I´ve been thinking, and what about the Grammy awards and touring? The following example is releated to Sweden and a special band, I don´t know how things work in the UK or US. Also note that its only my thoughts, no facts. An artist that have sold 25 000 copies would have a better chance of gettin a nationwide tour with a lot of dates than a band with 15 000 sold and 10 000 albums downloaded. Or not? As promotors often look on the bands sales and so on... Anyways, why don´t amazon.co.uk have any facts about the cds, that are satifying? As for the Bomfunk Mc´s uprocking beats cd mentioned earlier, amazon UK had two versions of the cds for sale, but it didn´t say which on had the Utah remix ( didn´t say cd1 or cd2 either). Amazon.us had the facts so I bought it there and had to pay more for p&p and wait longer for the delivery. Same thing now as I´m after Juno reactors cds pistolero with J Cauty remix, they have both an import cds and a "regular" cds, no info about how many tracks or what remixes are on it. - david _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: c-Row Subject: (klf) (ebay) White Room movie tape for sale (???) Date: 26 Mar 2001 15:11:27 +0200 Hi, http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1419372553 what do you think ? Is it genuine ? Is it worth the bidding ? Or is it just another bootleg like other obscure items ? And what would you pay for it ? :-) cy@ c-Row # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ford Timelord Subject: (klf) Burn or buy - My auction Date: 26 Mar 2001 22:13:16 +0200 Hello folks, it's only 5 days until my auction ends. Please watch current bids at: http://people.freenet.de/fordtimelord The end is near.... Over and Out! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) (ebay) White Room movie tape for sale (???) Date: 26 Mar 2001 20:41:40 >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1419372553 > >what do you think ? Is it genuine ? There is no genuine White Room on VHS. >Is it worth the bidding ? Hell no. >Or is it just another bootleg like other obscure items ? That's it! > >And what would you pay for it ? :-) > Depending on the cost of the blank tape he used, $1.50-$2.50 because you can bootleg it yourself by just downloading it. Chad Gombosi Member SCP www.scponline.net Chad's Game Music Page www.chadsgamemusic.com MP3.com page: www.mp3.com/signofzeta "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ditch X" Subject: Re: (klf) (ebay) White Room movie tape for sale (???) Date: 26 Mar 2001 17:21:30 -0500 In reply, is the item at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1419372553 a genuine? Probably... I mean, there has to be original copies. The seller should have included a picture of it, but he/she obviously knows not how to sell items on e-Bay. Maybe this person had something to do with it's making? Anyone interested should e-mail the seller and see what he/she says, and if anything seems amiss, don't bid. The tape is being sold out of France, though, so it's probably in PAL format, which is something to consider if you live in the US like myself. I couldn't personally care less to have it myself, since I have an MPEG copy of the inner film edit and I could never play the original copy on my VCRs. I would just say 'caveat emptor,' though if you bid, win, get the item and it turns out to be a bootleg, you could propose a complaint to e-Bay's Safeharbour, which is enacted to protect users from frauds like this may be. Have a blast... And furthermore... c-Row! How's KLF Communications coming? Are we 75% and higher to the finish line? Could we get just a peek? Peace, fight the power, and the like... Ditch X # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Xavier Ehret" Subject: TR: (klf) (ebay) White Room movie tape for sale (???) Date: 27 Mar 2001 06:51:59 +0200 I am the one selling this tape=2E Just to make a few things clear : this is the genuine item=2E Original 1st generation tape, with crystal clear picture and sound=2E Still has studio labels, and is 1 of 8 copies ever made= =2E And no you cannot download it on the net=2E Cheers Xav -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom [mailto:owner-klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom]De la part de Chad Gombosi Envoy=E9 : lundi 26 mars 2001 20:42 =C0 : klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom Objet : Re: (klf) (ebay) White Room movie tape for sale (???) >http://cgi=2Eebay=2Ecom/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI=2Edll?ViewItem&item=3D1419372553 > >what do you think ? Is it genuine ? There is no genuine White Room on VHS=2E >Is it worth the bidding ? Hell no=2E >Or is it just another bootleg like other obscure items ? That's it! > >And what would you pay for it ? :-) > Depending on the cost of the blank tape he used, $1=2E50-$2=2E50 because you= can bootleg it yourself by just downloading it=2E Chad Gombosi Member SCP www=2Escponline=2Enet Chad's Game Music Page www=2Echadsgamemusic=2Ecom MP3=2Ecom page: www=2Emp3=2Ecom/signofzeta "Let me explain a couple of things=2E Time is short=2E That's the first thing=2E For the weasel, Time is a weasel=2E For the hero, Time is heroic=2E For the whore, Time is just another trick=2E If you're gentle, your Time is gentle=2E If you're in a hurry, Time flies=2E Time is a servant, if you are its master=2E Time is your god, if you are its dog=2E We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time=2E Time is timeless=2E That's the second thing=2E You are the clock, Cassiel=2E" Emit - Far Away So Close _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer=2Emsn=2Ecom # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom=2E # To post, email klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom; replies go to original sender= =2E # KLF discography: http://www=2Eswcp=2Ecom/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Xavier Ehret" Subject: RE: (klf) (ebay) White Room movie tape for sale (???) Date: 27 Mar 2001 08:13:08 +0200 In reply, is the item at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1419372553 a genuine? >Probably... I mean, there has to be original copies. The seller should have >included a picture of it, but he/she obviously knows not how to sell items >on e-Bay. Obviously.... I mean everyone these days has a digital camera or a scanner, dont they ? >Maybe this person had something to do with it's making? Nope. >Anyone interested should e-mail the seller and see what he/she says, and if >anything seems amiss, don't bid. The tape is being sold out of France, >though, so it's probably in PAL format, which is something to consider if >you live in the US like myself. I couldn't personally care less to have it >myself, since I have an MPEG copy of the inner film edit and I could never >play the original copy on my VCRs. I would just say 'caveat emptor,' though >if you bid, win, get the item and it turns out to be a bootleg, you could >propose a complaint to e-Bay's Safeharbour, which is enacted to protect >users from frauds like this may be. Have a blast... Well the item was removed from ebay anyway. Apparently they dont allow for stuff like that to be sold, and one do gooder must have contacted Ebay. Pity, as this was the genuine article. Cheers Xav # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: RE: (klf) (ebay) White Room movie tape for sale (???) Date: 27 Mar 2001 06:34:07 > >Obviously.... I mean everyone these days has a digital camera or a scanner, >dont they ? Well if you didn't then I'd suggest you buy one just for the sale of this item. If you could actualy convince at least two people (for a bid-war) that the item was real then it would end up selling for much more than a scanner. I mean seriously, if this was a legit KLF item, and only 8 copies were made, it would be worth MUCH more than the price of a scanner (less than $100 US nowdays). It would have to be worth at least $300 wouldn't you think? It's the White blinking Room for crying out loud. It's really great, and totally impossble to find. KLF freaks pay that much for a one sided promo of a sucky track (like J&A anti-accapella) However there would be some problem convincing enough people that it was real. I mean VHS is really easy to booteleg, and you say only 8 copies were made...by whom? On what label? Does it have an catalogue number? If it doesn't have a sleeve then it's impossble to authenticate and just as good as a bootleg to a coloector. If you want to sell anything on ebay, or anywhere else you have to over describe the item, not under describe it. I can't remember for sure but I don't even think you mentioned if it was PAL or NTSC. The only info most of us know regarding any possible release of the White Room on VHS is from this auction, and forgive me for saying this but ebay is not the best place for getting hard info on rare items. Many of the catagories I look through have more bootleg than legit stuff so if I see something that looks off, I'm likely to asume the worst. Chad Gombosi Member SCP www.scponline.net Chad's Game Music Page www.chadsgamemusic.com MP3.com page: www.mp3.com/signofzeta "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: c-Row Subject: (klf) KLF Comm (was: White Room tape for sale) Date: 27 Mar 2001 08:38:39 +0200 > And furthermore... c-Row! How's KLF Communications coming? Are we 75% > and higher to the finish line? Could we get just a peek? Far away from 75%. But I finally finished the most annoying part of it (retyping the discography... I´d be glad about any updates that are not in the old discog until now !), I now can work more on the Communicators section. We´ll see... dead line will be May 23th (how original ;-) ) So there IS work behind the always-the-same welcome picture... *g* cy@ c-Row # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Xavier Ehret" Subject: RE: (klf) (ebay) White Room movie tape for sale (???) Date: 27 Mar 2001 08:51:07 +0200 As for every item of this nature, there is no 100% sure way to authenticate the item=2E The only things i can say on it are : 1) it was given to me by a *very* reliable person, whom has had tight connexions with the KLF in the past 2) it 'looks' like a Studio tape, and the original owner told me as much 3) The picture and sound quality are so good that i can safely say it is 1st generation, confirming what the original owner told me 4) the only way anyone would be convinced of this would be to see it for themselves=2E 5) It is PAL format=2E Buy a digital camera and/or a scanner just for this item ? That somehow doesnt seem quite rational to me=2E Sure the tape might fetch a good amount, but it aslo may not=2E Id look pretty stupid buying a digital camera for $30= 0 and selling the tape for the same amount=2E On the tape there is a black and white label on top with White Room KLF RT : 45' and same information on the side=2E Cheers Xav -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom [mailto:owner-klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom]De la part de Chad Gombosi Envoy=E9 : mardi 27 mars 2001 06:34 =C0 : klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom Objet : RE: (klf) (ebay) White Room movie tape for sale (???) > >Obviously=2E=2E=2E=2E I mean everyone these days has a digital camera or a = scanner, >dont they ? Well if you didn't then I'd suggest you buy one just for the sale of this item=2E If you could actualy convince at least two people (for a bid-war) that the item was real then it would end up selling for much more than a scanner=2E I mean seriously, if this was a legit KLF item, and only 8 copies were made, it would be worth MUCH more than the price of a scanner (less than $100 US nowdays)=2E It would have to be worth at least $300 wouldn't you think? It's the White blinking Room for crying out loud=2E It's really great, and totally impossbl= e to find=2E KLF freaks pay that much for a one sided promo of a sucky track (like J&A anti-accapella) However there would be some problem convincing enough people that it was real=2E I mean VHS is really easy to booteleg, and you say only 8 copies wer= e made=2E=2E=2Eby whom? On what label? Does it have an catalogue number? If it doesn't have a sleeve then it's impossble to authenticate and just as good as a bootleg to a coloector=2E If you want to sell anything on ebay, or anywhere else you have to over describe the item, not under describe it=2E I can't remember for sure but I don't even think you mentioned if it was PAL or NTSC=2E The only info most o= f us know regarding any possible release of the White Room on VHS is from this auction, and forgive me for saying this but ebay is not the best place for getting hard info on rare items=2E Many of the catagories I look through hav= e more bootleg than legit stuff so if I see something that looks off, I'm likely to asume the worst=2E Chad Gombosi Member SCP www=2Escponline=2Enet Chad's Game Music Page www=2Echadsgamemusic=2Ecom MP3=2Ecom page: www=2Emp3=2Ecom/signofzeta "Let me explain a couple of things=2E Time is short=2E That's the first thing=2E For the weasel, Time is a weasel=2E For the hero, Time is heroic=2E For the whore, Time is just another trick=2E If you're gentle, your Time is gentle=2E If you're in a hurry, Time flies=2E Time is a servant, if you are its master=2E Time is your god, if you are its dog=2E We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time=2E Time is timeless=2E That's the second thing=2E You are the clock, Cassiel=2E" Emit - Far Away So Close _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer=2Emsn=2Ecom # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom=2E # To post, email klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom; replies go to original sender= =2E # KLF discography: http://www=2Eswcp=2Ecom/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: RE: (klf) (ebay) White Room movie tape for sale (???) Date: 27 Mar 2001 08:12:25 >1) it was given to me by a *very* reliable person, whom has had tight >connexions with the KLF in the past >2) it 'looks' like a Studio tape, and the original owner told me as much >3) The picture and sound quality are so good that i can safely say it is >1st >generation, confirming what the original owner told me >4) the only way anyone would be convinced of this would be to see it for >themselves. >5) It is PAL format. Hmm. So it isn't an official release, or an actual promo. So in other words it pretty much *is* a bootleg right? If not then what's the difference? > >Buy a digital camera and/or a scanner just for this item ? Most VHS for sale on ebay is scanned. The picture is far better on a scanner than a digital camera. I was suggesting a scanner, which I mentioned could be had for $100 and, as I said before, if you could get someone to believe it's real, then it would be no problem getting a few times that. I'd gladly pay ay *least* the price of a scanner if I though the item was official. It doesn't sound official though, it just sounds like something that someone snuck out of a editing room one day, and really I have no problem with this at all, it's just that the original ebay posting didn't make it sound like such. Chad Gombosi Member SCP www.scponline.net Chad's Game Music Page www.chadsgamemusic.com MP3.com page: www.mp3.com/signofzeta "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maarten" Subject: Re: (klf) (ebay) White Room movie tape for sale (???) Date: 27 Mar 2001 11:39:17 +0200 > > Howdy, > > > > We all try to find out who is selling this video and if it's a boot or a > > genuine item. > > The thing that amazes me is why are you trying to sell this item? > > > > >It would have to be worth at least $300 wouldn't you think? It's the White > > >blinking Room for crying out loud. It's really great, and totally impossble > > >to find. KLF freaks pay that much for a one sided promo of a sucky track > > >(like J&A anti-accapella) > > > > As I recollect you started at $80. That's not much for an item of which > > there have been 8 produced. > > Why $80. Still surprised here. > > Btw, Chad, you can add this video to the discography since it's a genuine > > tape.. :) > > > > > > Maarten > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Xavier Ehret > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 6:51 AM > > Subject: TR: (klf) (ebay) White Room movie tape for sale (???) > > > > > > > > I am the one selling this tape. > > > > Just to make a few things clear : > > > > this is the genuine item. Original 1st generation tape, with crystal clear > > picture and sound. Still has studio labels, and is 1 of 8 copies ever made. > > > > And no you cannot download it on the net. > > > > Cheers > > Xav # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Seiner" Subject: (klf) KLF Stuff for sale Date: 27 Mar 2001 11:52:23 +0200 Hi all! I have the following items for sale (as one package) The Jams : Its grim up north - CD Single : TOCP-7406 Japanese import (disc 3 from the this is what the klf is about box) The Jams : The History of the Jams : LP : TVT 4040 (still original sealed) The Jams : 1987 : LP : Bootleg Version (made in the EEC) The Timelords : Doctorin´ the Tardis : 12" single : KLF Communications KLF 003T The KLF : Justified and Ancient : 12" Picture Disc : KLF Communications CHOC ICE 2/KLF 2 PROMO 1) 2000 copies made: All in excellent condition - never played. If interested please mail your offer to hunter@karanet.at greetings Klaus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: RE: (klf) (ebay) White Room movie tape for sale (???) Date: 27 Mar 2001 06:09:31 EST In a message dated Tue, 27 Mar 2001 06:37:05 Greenwich Mean Time, "Chad Gombosi" writes: << I don't even think you mentioned if it was PAL or NTSC. >> I think if it's genuinly made by the KLF it would have to be in PAL format as The KLF are from the UK so I presume it would have been taped in a UK recording studio using the UK's TV format (PAL-I) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Allan" Subject: (klf) white room movie Date: 27 Mar 2001 12:27:58 +0100 Hi, time for my two penny worth. My copy of the white room movie was purc= hased from a reliable source. It is on professional broadcast video. Whit= e label on front says: WHITE ROOM RT: 45' PAL VHS I have no idea how many copies there are, I was also told about 8, but fr= ankly I don't care. I have a quality version of the white room video and = I'm happy. It cost me =A3100 sterling around two years ago. Steve. --=20 The JAMs Are Gonna Tattoo Ya=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Xavier Ehret" Subject: RE: (klf) white room movie Date: 27 Mar 2001 14:25:13 +0200 Hi steve, well thats exactly what i got=2E Thanks for confirming my theories on its origin and on its quality=2E And im 99% sure you got it from the same source= i did, as he did have a few copies for sale at the time=2E Cheers Xav -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom [mailto:owner-klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom]De la part de Steve Allan Envoy=E9 : mardi 27 mars 2001 13:28 =C0 : klf@xmission=2Ecom Objet : (klf) white room movie Hi, time for my two penny worth=2E My copy of the white room movie was purchased from a reliable source=2E It is on professional broadcast video=2E White label on front says: WHITE ROOM RT: 45' PAL VHS I have no idea how many copies there are, I was also told about 8, but frankly I don't care=2E I have a quality version of the white room video and I'm happy=2E It cost me =A3100 sterling around two years ago=2E Steve=2E -- The JAMs Are Gonna Tattoo Ya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom=2E # To post, email klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom; replies go to original sender= =2E # KLF discography: http://www=2Eswcp=2Ecom/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Xavier Ehret" Subject: RE: (klf) (ebay) White Room movie tape for sale (???) Date: 27 Mar 2001 14:21:54 +0200 Hi there, well since im getting tons of emails about this, heres the story=2E I am selling because i need the money=2E I started the auction at $59=2E99 because i had to start it somewhere=2E And its well known that if you start an auction too high, less people are susceptible to bid=2E The $59=2E99 is completely random and has no meaning whatsoever=2E IMHO, The discussion as to wether this is an official, bootleg, studio=2E=2E=2E=2Etape is irrelevant=2E There is no 100% way to say either w= ay=2E What is important is that this is a tape with a mint, perfect image and audio quality that confirms the fact it is a 1st generation tape taken directly from the studio reels=2E The rest is complete speculation, and all i can add is what was told to me by the one who i bought this from, and who has had close contact with the KLF=2E Cheers Xav -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom [mailto:owner-klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom]De la part de Maarten Envoy=E9 : mardi 27 mars 2001 11:39 =C0 : klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom Objet : Re: (klf) (ebay) White Room movie tape for sale (???) > > Howdy, > > > > We all try to find out who is selling this video and if it's a boot or a > > genuine item=2E > > The thing that amazes me is why are you trying to sell this item? > > > > >It would have to be worth at least $300 wouldn't you think? It's the White > > >blinking Room for crying out loud=2E It's really great, and totally impossble > > >to find=2E KLF freaks pay that much for a one sided promo of a sucky track > > >(like J&A anti-accapella) > > > > As I recollect you started at $80=2E That's not much for an item of whic= h > > there have been 8 produced=2E > > Why $80=2E Still surprised here=2E > > Btw, Chad, you can add this video to the discography since it's a genuine > > tape=2E=2E :) > > > > > > Maarten > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Xavier Ehret > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 6:51 AM > > Subject: TR: (klf) (ebay) White Room movie tape for sale (???) > > > > > > > > I am the one selling this tape=2E > > > > Just to make a few things clear : > > > > this is the genuine item=2E Original 1st generation tape, with crystal clear > > picture and sound=2E Still has studio labels, and is 1 of 8 copies ever made=2E > > > > And no you cannot download it on the net=2E > > > > Cheers > > Xav # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom=2E # To post, email klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom; replies go to original sender= =2E # KLF discography: http://www=2Eswcp=2Ecom/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ditch X" Subject: (klf) The last word on the White Room Motion Picture... Date: 27 Mar 2001 17:44:30 -0500 In reply to all the nonsense just posted this week about the e-Bay auction involving the "White Room Motion Picture" VHS for sale... Excellent points folks. Everyone has done a stellar job arguing this out. Here's the reality. Our friend Xavier Ehret put an item on e-Bay he firmly contends to be a first generation VHS (PAL format) tape of the roughly edited "White Room Motion Picture." The film itself (from my standing) runs forty-four minutes and forty-one seconds. This footage of Bill and Jimmy and several others (no credits given) makes up the "Inner Film" portion of the screenplay. No dialogue, just scene after scene of driving. It starts out in a night club scene, then goes to scenes of Bill and Jimmy signing papers in the JAMs Mobile, then long tracking shots of them driving. Anyone who has seen the Stadium House Trilogy will be able to see that the footage that made up that video came from the scenes shot during the making of this road film. Then they end up in the desert, and on and on. All this is accompanied by a rather shabbily (despite the circumstances) edited in soundtrack consisting of many of the KLF's releases. I shall tell no more, though. This item's catalogue number and details need to be added into the discography, a task Ford Timelord and myself once intended to carry out, though it seems c-Row has adopted Ford's legacy. Excellent efforts c-Row... This film will be available for download soon. I am personally seeing to it that the video is put on the net. This also goes for all the music videos made. The file sizes are huge for a 56Ker, but anyone with broadband access should be happy in short time. If you don't want to buy a copy, and downloading it is in your interest, wait. FACT: 3 out of 5 people who have a computer also have a digital camera, scanner, and printer. This is true worldwide. If you don't then you are two years behind the curve of modern times. If you just bought an iMac, your first computer, and I have a Pentium III-based computer with years of experience operating the damn things, we cannot communicate on the same level. Thus, a communication gap occurs... If you are selling obscure and rare items on e-Bay, and you vaguely describe the item, call it something you cannot prove, don't let people see it, and get all cynical and pissed off when people question what goes on, what should we think? This video, regardless of it's genuinity, origins, what have you, is a great item to have. We never said it wasn't great to have even if it's a bootleg. All I was suggesting is that when selling such a tape, dig up a friend with a scanner or camera (for GOD's sake), as these things don't go for very much unless the buyer knows what he/she is getting (incredibly enough). Obviously...!!! This is no defamation to Xavier, though. If the situation didn't allow it, that's fine. I just prefer not to bid on things I cannot see, as do countless others. If you have a PAL compatible VCR, go for it. It's a shame that e-Bay took it off of there(I hate people who screw with promo sales), though, but if you so desire, make Xavier Ehret an offer! Now I'm satisfied. I have nothing further to say, and I don't suppose we should drag this line of conversation any further. Xavier says he has video he'd like to sell you. Drop the poor man a line and make an offer if you collect things like that. I already have a digital copy of this video of my own, which is made from 1st or 2nd generation PAL source tapes. I don't care. I have it, and that makes me happy. Have a nice weekend everyone on the list! I'm going to take my vacation now. Going to Memphs, Tennessee, though what do you care? Ditch X # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) The last word on the White Room Motion Picture... Date: 27 Mar 2001 18:37:55 EST In a message dated Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:56:24 Greenwich Mean Time, "Ditch X" writes: << This film will be available for download soon. I am personally seeing to it that the video is put on the net. This also goes for all the music videos made. The file sizes are huge for a 56Ker, but anyone with broadband access should be happy in short time. If you don't want to buy a copy, and downloading it is in your interest, wait. >> Are any of these video's available for download now from the net and if so where? and are they in MPEG format (so I can play them through my MPEG card on the Widescreen TV (yeah!)) and are any in Widescreen format/original cinema size? if so where can I download them from (btw - I'm a 56Ker but I don't mind leaving my computer on all night to get these things (I did that b4 when my sister wanted to see herself at One Big Sunday with Radio 1 and Craig David - I don't think R1 realise I ripped there 1BS Real video file!!) << FACT: 3 out of 5 people who have a computer also have a digital camera, scanner, and printer>> I don't have a scanner and I'm a computer technician. (I've got a digital camera and printer and video capture card though (video capture card bought to evade TV licencing 'cos you can hide it when they come round - ***K The BBC - We want ITV!)) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: (klf) KLF Lyrics. Date: 27 Mar 2001 18:54:17 EST I wonder if anyone would be interested in seeing my website. It has lyrics for all sorts of songs on and being a v big fan of The KLF/JAMMs/Timelords/2K/K2 Plant hire (btw what happened to the pyramid???)/etc/etc I had to include some KLF lyrics on the site. I have got the lyrics to The JAMMs - Next and The Queen & I, and The KLF - J&A (both White Room and Tammy Wynette), 3AM Eternal, LTTT (live from lost continent & iron horse (pretty much pointless me doing the lyrics to iron horse as 90% is instrumental but never mind) and finally What Time Is Love? (Live at Trancentral). All the lyrics above can be found at http://members.nbci.com/the_klf/lyrics (sometimes NBCI/Xoom can be a bit funny and say the page don't exist when it does so if you get a 404 try refresh). BTW 1 - What happened to the build a pyramid plan at loch ness (not enough bricks or something?) 2 - What happened to www.k2planthire.ltd.uk? 3 - All these places that The KLF/JAMMs mention in the songs like Trancentral, Lost Continent did the KLF actually refer to places as these names (like was Liverpool supposed to be Trancentral) or did they just mean places in illumanatis? 4 - If they are actual places Where are they? - I wanna visit them! 5 - What was that festival in Liverpool that The KLF were at where they "borrowed" an ice cream van and give away 99's to promote J&A, and which field was it held on - I wanna visit it!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) KLF Lyrics. Date: 28 Mar 2001 01:34:12 EST > 1 - What happened to the build a pyramid plan at loch ness (not enough bricks > or something?) > 2 - What happened to www.k2planthire.ltd.uk? "Major rethink in progress" Gone the way of the Black Room. > 3 - All these places that The KLF/JAMMs mention in the songs like > Trancentral, Lost Continent did the KLF actually refer to places as these > names (like was Liverpool supposed to be Trancentral) or did they just mean > places in illumanatis? > 4 - If they are actual places Where are they? - I wanna visit them! Trancentral -- recording studio Lost Continent -- Atlantis. Got some scuba gear? > 5 - What was that festival in Liverpool that The KLF were at where they " > borrowed" an ice cream van and give away 99's to promote J&A, and which field > was it held on - I wanna visit it!! Couldn't tell you. -paul Currently in rotation: Zappa - various; Sparks - Angst in My Pants www.sayhername.com -- Too Much Joy Official Website Tell your friends. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Xavier Ehret" Subject: RE: (klf) The last word on the White Room Motion Picture... Date: 28 Mar 2001 09:08:52 +0200 I appreciate your last word=2E Let me just clear up a few points : You cannot honestly try and convince anyone that having an mpeg copy d/l from the net is the same as having the real thing=2E While i know and understand not everyone is a completeist, there is no comparaison between the two, in terms of quality AND collectibility, which imho are the two deciding factors=2E Also, i think i have traded with enough people on this list to assure anyone interested in such a collectors item that it is genuine, and as ive described up to now=2E I have the MPEG version of the movie, and it does not do it justice=2E=2E=2E= =2E I can put it on an FTP if anyone is interested in it, but beware it is smthg like 400 megs=2E As for my tape, well, if anyone is interested (and i have had a few emails about it), dont hesistate to contact me=2E Thats all Cheers Xav -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom [mailto:owner-klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom]De la part de Ditch X Envoy=E9 : mercredi 28 mars 2001 00:45 =C0 : klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom Objet : (klf) The last word on the White Room Motion Picture=2E=2E=2E In reply to all the nonsense just posted this week about the e-Bay auction involving the "White Room Motion Picture" VHS for sale=2E=2E=2E Excellent points folks=2E Everyone has done a stellar job arguing this out=2E Here's the reality=2E Our friend Xavier Ehret put an item on e-Bay he firmly contends to be a first generation VHS (PAL format) tape of the roughly edited "White Room Motion Picture=2E" The film itself (from my standing) runs forty-four minutes and forty-one seconds=2E This footage of Bill and Jimmy and several others (no credits given) makes up the "Inner Film" portion of the screenplay=2E No dialogue, just scene after scene of driving=2E It starts out in a night club scene, then goes to scenes of Bill and Jimmy signing papers in the JAMs Mobile, then long tracking shots of them driving=2E Anyone who has seen the Stadium House Trilogy will be able t= o see that the footage that made up that video came from the scenes shot during the making of this road film=2E Then they end up in the desert, and o= n and on=2E All this is accompanied by a rather shabbily (despite the circumstances) edited in soundtrack consisting of many of the KLF's releases=2E I shall tell no more, though=2E This item's catalogue number and details need to be added into the discography, a task Ford Timelord and myself once intended to carry out, though it seems c-Row has adopted Ford's legacy=2E Excellent efforts c-Row= =2E=2E=2E This film will be available for download soon=2E I am personally seeing = to it that the video is put on the net=2E This also goes for all the music vide= os made=2E The file sizes are huge for a 56Ker, but anyone with broadband acces= s should be happy in short time=2E If you don't want to buy a copy, and downloading it is in your interest, wait=2E FACT: 3 out of 5 people who have a computer also have a digital camera, scanner, and printer=2E This is true worldwide=2E If you don't then you are = two years behind the curve of modern times=2E If you just bought an iMac, your first computer, and I have a Pentium III-based computer with years of experience operating the damn things, we cannot communicate on the same level=2E Thus, a communication gap occurs=2E=2E=2E If you are selling obscur= e and rare items on e-Bay, and you vaguely describe the item, call it something you cannot prove, don't let people see it, and get all cynical and pissed off when people question what goes on, what should we think? This video, regardless of it's genuinity, origins, what have you, is a great item to have=2E We never said it wasn't great to have even if it's a bootleg=2E All = I was suggesting is that when selling such a tape, dig up a friend with a scanner or camera (for GOD's sake), as these things don't go for very much unless the buyer knows what he/she is getting (incredibly enough)=2E Obviously=2E=2E=2E!!! This is no defamation to Xavier, though=2E If the situ= ation didn't allow it, that's fine=2E I just prefer not to bid on things I cannot see, as do countless others=2E If you have a PAL compatible VCR, go for it= =2E It's a shame that e-Bay took it off of there(I hate people who screw with promo sales), though, but if you so desire, make Xavier Ehret an offer! Now I'm satisfied=2E I have nothing further to say, and I don't suppose = we should drag this line of conversation any further=2E Xavier says he has vide= o he'd like to sell you=2E Drop the poor man a line and make an offer if you collect things like that=2E I already have a digital copy of this video of m= y own, which is made from 1st or 2nd generation PAL source tapes=2E I don't care=2E I have it, and that makes me happy=2E Have a nice weekend everyone o= n the list! I'm going to take my vacation now=2E Going to Memphs, Tennessee, though what do you care? Ditch X # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom=2E # To post, email klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom; replies go to original sender= =2E # KLF discography: http://www=2Eswcp=2Ecom/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tone" Subject: (klf) re: white room movie Date: 28 Mar 2001 11:27:21 -0000 >The only info most of us know regarding any possible release of the White Room on VHS is from this auction My VHS PAL copy originated from a very small advert in the NME circa '95. I traced the mysterious P.O Box Number to an outfit called 'Spicy Promotions' in West Yorkshire. At the time I assumed this was Gimpo. Tone # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Xavier Ehret" Subject: RE: (klf) re: white room movie Date: 28 Mar 2001 13:37:24 +0200 Hows the quality ? Anything printed or scribbled on the front ? Cheers Xav -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom [mailto:owner-klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom]De la part de tone Envoy=E9 : mercredi 28 mars 2001 13:27 =C0 : klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom Objet : (klf) re: white room movie >The only info most of us know regarding any possible release of the White Room on VHS is from this auction My VHS PAL copy originated from a very small advert in the NME circa '95=2E I traced the mysterious P=2EO Box Numbe= r to an outfit called 'Spicy Promotions' in West Yorkshire=2E At the time I assum= ed this was Gimpo=2E Tone # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom=2E # To post, email klf@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom; replies go to original sender= =2E # KLF discography: http://www=2Eswcp=2Ecom/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jai Subject: Re: (klf) KLF Lyrics. Date: 28 Mar 2001 12:47:56 +0100 At 6:54 pm -0500 27/3/01, Darrenforster99@aol.com wrote: >1 - What happened to the build a pyramid plan at loch ness (not >enough bricks or something?) they never told us where to send the bricks to - i had 23 of them all ready to go (god knows how much that would have cost in shipping) >3 - All these places that The KLF/JAMMs mention in the songs like >Trancentral, Lost Continent did the KLF actually refer to places as >these names (like was Liverpool supposed to be Trancentral) or did >they just mean places in illumanatis? >4 - If they are actual places Where are they? - I wanna visit them! Trancentral (aka. the Benio in Stockwell, London) - there was a picture of the front door on a Select poster - looked just like any other front door in london though. not much like the one they come out of in the whiteroommovie, though. the Lost Continent, Mu Mu Land etc etc are all references to thing referenced in illuminatus, probably Alantis. >5 - What was that festival in Liverpool that The KLF were at where >they "borrowed" an ice cream van and give away 99's to promote J&A, >and which field was it held on - I wanna visit it!! from the horrifically out of date FAQ: 5.002: What's a '99'? An ice cream in a cone with a chocolate flake stuck in it. The first KLF ice cream connection took place at the Liverpool Festival of comedy when they handed out 99's from an ice cream van they'd borrowed from it's owner outside Trancentral. Then came Justified and Ancient with its ice cream references in the lyrics, an ice cream van on the cover, a catalogue number of KLF 099, and promo's labelled CHOCICE 1 to 3. When they appeared on TOTP Drummond and Cauty were dressed in huge latex 99 costumes designed by Luck and Flaw of the 'Spitting Image' TV programme. In promotional campaigns in the US, Arista organised ice cream van stunts too. All this lead some fans to wonder if there was a connection to The Ice Cream Men from 'Rudy Rucker's cyberpunk novels 'Software' & 'Wetware'. It would seem not as "The Ice Cream Man was a android controlled by one of the main computers on the moon, who was advancing the cause of one of the two factions in a revolution between the little robots and the big robots that was ongoing on the moon. It was also to allow the 'personalities' that had been read (by the aforementioned brain-eating) into the computer to operate as if they still had human bodies. (The brain eating took all of the chemically- encoded memories into a processor so that the computer could integrate the personality.) Anyway, the ice-cream man's van was really a refrigerator for the robot brain that it carried around, I seem to remember. Since the novel took place in the Orlando-Cocoa Beach-Daytona Beach area of Florida, USA and no-one has reported that Bill and Jimmy acted a bit 'mechanical' on meeting them, I don't see that there's much connection beyond the coincidental. However, they were written back in the late 80's, so there is a slight possibility of it being influential, but it just doesn't seem likely to me." However, strangely, Info sheet 13 has a list of "questions that we get asked and are unable to answer. So we decided to hold "The Rites Of Mu" to celebrate this year's summer solstice and in doing so hopefully make the above questions redundant." One of the questions was 'Are you the ice cream men?' But the KLF's ice cream activities came just after the 'Rites Of Mu', where they performed in Liverpool using an ice-cream van they had borrowed from a man in the street outside Trancentral. But why did someone ask if they were the ice cream men, before they had done any ice cream related activity? -- -- Jai Nelson jai@illitrate.co.uk --- "Maybe you can touch the taste by the sense of smell. Who's to say that heaven isn't hell? Maybe i'm a love boy hooked on an aphrodysiac. Or maybe i'm a strange one, maybe i'm a twisted maniac. Hey, you never can tell!" --Apollo 440 'Electro Glide In Blue' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Parker Subject: (klf) benio Date: 28 Mar 2001 13:46:02 +0100 >>Trancentral (aka. the Benio in Stockwell, London) - there was a picture of the front door on a Select poster - Was this the name of the house? I'd assumed the benio mixes were done by some long last Italian house maestro or something. This e-mail message and any attachment(s) are CONFIDENTIAL and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you should not read, copy, distribute, disclose or otherwise use the information in this e-mail or any attachment(s). 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I'd assumed the benio mixes were done by >some long last Italian house maestro or something. i'd always assumed so, because at the start of BurnTheBastards Bill says "here we are, live on stage, at the Benio" -- "She never noticed the monkey bars in the churchyard before. She remembered only headstones. Funny the things that show up in Nature's negative." - tHE pUSHER -- ----------------------------------------------------------- -- Jai Nelson jai@illitrate.co.uk illitrate Publicashions http://www.illitrate.co.uk --- --------------------------------------------------------- --- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: c-Row Subject: Re: (klf) benio Date: 28 Mar 2001 15:07:19 +0200 >>Was this the name of the house? I'd assumed the benio mixes were done by >>some long last Italian house maestro or something. > >i'd always assumed so, because at the start of BurnTheBastards Bill says >"here we are, live on stage, at the Benio" The Deep Heat 10 inlay says that it is mixed by the KLF exclusively for Deep Heat (as far as someone told me... who wanted to do a scan for me. Remember ?) Or at least that´s what I´ve been told. cy@ c-Row # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Daw Subject: (klf) white room movie (and benio) Date: 28 Mar 2001 16:12:49 +0100 (GMT+01:00) There's actually versions of the video in circulation. On one the soundtrack contains a lot of material from the unreleased White Rooom album, in the second this has been replaced by versions from the commercially available release. I believe the first version is the "NME Ad" version and the second is the "one of 8" version. Another way to tell them apart is the fact that at the end the first version fades out to white with ambient sound effects whilst the second cuts to black and plays LTTT. Also on the subject of Benio - it's the name of the house. You can see it on the white room film and I think on the DITT video. Simon ____________________________________________________________ Freeserve - get your free ISP service including web-mail at: www.freeserve.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reed Hedges Subject: Re: (klf) KLF Lyrics. Date: 28 Mar 2001 11:27:14 -0500 > > Trancentral -- recording studio > Lost Continent -- Atlantis. Got some scuba gear? Also "Land of Mu" or "Mu Mu Land" probably also refers to Lemuria, the Pacific counterpart to Atlantis (sometimes called Mu). -- Reed Hedges reed@zerohour.net http://zerohour.net/~reed see web page for public key info # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Lee" Subject: (klf) The real White Room movie tape story Date: 28 Mar 2001 23:00:00 +0100 Here's the tale of the White room VHS I own It was made from a studio master supervised by bill Butt himself. This is the version where it fades to black and LTTT plays out. It was made to interest the German market who were new to the KLF and into them in a big way round the time of The Stadium House trillogy. ( ie made for overseas marketing) How did I get mine? - I was there I worked for Scott Pierring, so like most of my collection it came from "promo sources" What does it look like? Mail me & I'll send a piccy ( I have a digi camera) So there are "as real as it gets" copies of TWR out there. C ya Andy PS one day I'll tell you all The real "99" story! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Lee" Subject: Re: (klf) (ebay) White Room movie tape for sale (???) Date: 27 Mar 2001 21:10:00 +0100 I'll keep my eye on this- -I've got one from the batch Bill but made for German promo but I'm sure the number of tapes was nearer 25! Andy > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1419372553 > > what do you think ? Is it genuine ? Is it worth the bidding ? Or is it just another bootleg like other obscure items ? > > And what would you pay for it ? :-) > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lindgren" Subject: Re: (klf) KLF Lyrics. Date: 29 Mar 2001 15:21:10


Hello everybody,


 

>Trancentral (aka. the Benio in Stockwell, London) - there was a

>picture of the front door on a Select poster

Has someone got that poster for sale?

I´´ll pay you GOOD or trade it for something nice.

 

                                               - david

 


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# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: neil sampson Subject: (klf) orb@astoria... Date: 29 Mar 2001 15:31:51 +0000 hi there everyone, just slightly off topic, wondering if anyone's off to check out the orb at london's astoria on april 3rd (next tuesday). i think you can still get tickets through ticketmaster.co.uk or maybe aloud.com if anyone's interested. the orb are currently doing a uk mini-tour i think, taking in some of the larger uni's and then onto do one or two of the big festivals (incl. homelands in winchester). cheerio neil MonkeyMania in FullFX http://www.themonkeymen.co.uk ___________________________________________ It's amazing what happens when you breathe. www.breathe.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ford Timelord Subject: (klf) Burn or Buy - My auction Date: 29 Mar 2001 20:50:11 +0200 Hi friends, it's only 2 days till the end of my auction. Watch the current bids at http://people.freenet.de/fordtimelord Don't forget to refresh your browser window as i am updating the site twice or more the day... On Saturday at ca. 13:00 CET everybody who is bidding on my items will get a mail with his leading bids. And i try to email anybody who is overbid on saturday...... so stay tuned Over and Out! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mark weston" Subject: (klf) The What Time Is Love Story CD. Date: 30 Mar 2001 00:58:52 +0100 Please could a very kind list member please do me a cdr copy of this excellent piece of work.I would just love to hear it without any clicks etc that you get on record. I have quite a extensive KLF collection and i would always do copies for you if there is anything you require. thanks. Mark. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Courtney Sloan Subject: (klf) white room 3 a.m. mix Date: 29 Mar 2001 22:42:05 -0500 Hey all, What is the name of the exact 3 a.m. Eternal mix used in the White Room film? It is different than the one on the soundtrack and I don't think it is 3 a.m. Eternal (original). Does anyone know and does anyone have it? Love, Courtney # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: c-Row Subject: Re: (klf) white room 3 a.m. mix Date: 30 Mar 2001 08:34:55 +0200 >What is the name of the exact 3 a.m. Eternal mix used in the White Room >film? It is different than the one on the soundtrack and I don't think it >is 3 a.m. Eternal (original). Does anyone know and does anyone have it? As far as I know, the mix used in the film (at least the version from uddis/pinknet) is the 3 a.m. original edit. Can be found on KLF005R which is available quite regularly at www.eil.com (not at the moment, though). The version on the soundtrack is somewhere between both versions. It´s shorter than the original version due to some rearranging - and it runs a bit faster than the other versions. Hope that helps. cy@ c-Row # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: c-Row Subject: (klf) Help needed with pics Date: 30 Mar 2001 10:31:56 +0200 Hi, could anybody provide me with a good-quality picture of Scott Piering ? Or a location where to download one ? Thanks in advance c-Row # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Smiley?= Subject: RE: (klf) orb@astoria... Date: 30 Mar 2001 11:00:43 +0100 (BST) neil wrote: > just slightly off topic, wondering if anyone's off > to check out the orb at london's astoria on april > 3rd (next tuesday). yes - and i'm organising a meet-up in a local pub (not yet decided which one yet!) beforehand. we currently have 6-8 people coming so far, and anyone else who wants to come along - drop me a line and i'll keep you informed: smileyweb@yahoo.co.uk cheers, --- Smiley ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lindgren" Subject: (klf) KLF vs ORB? Date: 30 Mar 2001 15:13:11
Hello everybody,
 
On Napster is 3 a.m. remixed by The ORB, I`ve not heard about it before.
Its a really nice track, almost ambient.
 
Does anyone know anything about it?
 
 
                                                - david
 
 

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# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Kuta" Subject: Re: (klf) KLF vs ORB? Date: 30 Mar 2001 18:17:43 +0200 Hey, that's probably the "Blue Danube Orbital" mix, to be found on KLF 005R. Nice one, isn't it? ;) Cheers, Danny --- DJ Kuta, KLF Online (www.klf.de) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ford Timelord Subject: (klf) Burn or buy - My auction Date: 31 Mar 2001 15:41:24 +0200 Hi, only 12 hours left.... i'll stay the whole day in front of my pc and update the list at http://people.freenet.de/fordtimelord everytime i get a new bid. So refresh your browser window and stay tuned.... Over and Out! Ford # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ford Timelord Subject: (klf) Burn or buy - My auction is over Date: 31 Mar 2001 23:03:38 +0200 Hi folks, my auction is over and as i got a lots of emails in the last minutes i'm not able to update the list now. The updated list with the winning bids will be online tomorrow and i will contact all happy bidders by email. Over and Out! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuey and Michelle Subject: Re: (klf) white room movie (and benio) Date: 01 Apr 2001 10:28:33 +1200 Simon Daw wrote: > Also on the subject of Benio - it's the name of the house. You can see it on the white room film and I think on the DITT video. It is indeed another name for trancentral, Jimmy and Cressida's squat in Stockwell. It also appears in the lyrics for Burn the Bastards: "for one night only, live on stage, at the Benio" and there are lots more details about the house in the Brit awards NME article, and a photo in Pete Robinson's fanzine J&A History. -- Stuart Young and Michelle Ardern, say.map@ihug.co.nz 66a Sackville Street, Tel: +64 (0)9 376 8100 Grey Lynn, Auckland, NZ Stuey is webmaster of the New Zealand Green Party: http://www.greens.org.nz/ And webmaster of his own personal website too: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~stuey/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf