From: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com (klf-digest) To: klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klf-digest V2 #100 Reply-To: klf-digest Sender: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes klf-digest Wednesday, May 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 100 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 10:52:34 +0300 (GMT+0300) From: Shahar Even-dar Subject: (klf) New to the mailing list I'm a cultural studies student in Tel-Aviv University. As a matter of fact, one of my reasons for picking cultural studies was the idea of doing a Ph.D on the work of Bill Drummond and Jimmy Cauty. Right now I'm working on a paper analyzing the career of the duo according to Bourdieu's theory of fields and distinction. I'm looking for the original reviews of the jams' albums, the mailing list's archives contain a few singles' reviews. I was also disappointed to find no review of "The White Room", If anyone knows about other resources, I'll be happy to hear. Thanks, Shahar # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 13:41:25 +0200 From: "Silvio Rohloff" Subject: (klf) The JAMS Hi there! Yesterday Iīve heard my record-tape from MAYDAY-Save the Robotz in Germany and I found >DJ Frank Müller< playing "Itīs Grim up north" by >The Jams<. Thatīs funny, isnīt it? CU, Silvio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 18:41:57 +0000 From: "Stuart Young" Subject: (klf) Re: 4 Questions: > 4 Questions: > > Where on the web can I have a look at the `Lord of the rings` poster? Dunno, funnily enough I had a look at a huge Tolkien picture archive the other day and it wasn't there. Was going to email the site maintainer and ask but forgot. > Have anybody seen the BBCproduced musicdocumentary `Dancing in the > streets`? > It is running now in swedish television and I wonder if KLF get > mentioned in the 10:th programme ( about the 90`s)? As far as I remember there are Orb mentions (video clips?) but no KLF. Wasn't there a great shot of Alex on a throne or something, I can't remember. It was a good episode anyway, even if there was no KLF stuff. Stuey .. . . . . Stuart Andrew Young home page and CV http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~stuey/ now completely updated with portfolio of my websites etc. .. . . . . stuey@easynet.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 13:42:09 +0100 From: Phil Blake Subject: (klf) Timelords CDV single Is this Timelords cdv single available in the UK then? Does anyone know where? Phil # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 04:38:43 PDT From: "David Lindgren" Subject: (klf) " The Comeback ? " Hello everybody, As many of you probably know I produced & sold the KLF/2K videocompilation called " The Comeback ? " back in 97` ( tracklisting is in the discography, the only thing that the discog. has missed is that also the FTM videoclip is on " T C ? "). Anyway, I`ve received 6 requests about buying/trading the video but if I`m going to rent the equipment the make some more videos there has to be at least 10 people wanting it( I`ll have to pay quite a lot to rent the equipment). So if anyone is interested in buying/trading it, mail me in private. david ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 14:14:52 +0200 From: "Jesper Kjaer" Subject: (klf) DISCO 2000 I just got this entry below from the weekly juno-list = http://www.juno.co.uk =20 DISCO 2000: Disco 2000 (Disco 12": DISCO 001 [4.78]) E1 =20 Well it would be open for anyone to use the name Disco 2000 since B & J = are not THAT known under that name.....and the millinnium is getting = closer.....but....? =20 Anyone who has heard this, seen this or have this? =20 Jes # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 14:50:53 +0200 From: Thomas Helvard Subject: (klf) TWOK I looked through the cdnow page, and i saw that Fuck the millenium was made by TWOK.. TWOK?????? Am i so tired that i don't recocknise (?) TWOK?? What ever happened to 2K? - - Thomas This Mail was sent by Thomas Helvard. I can also be reached at: cyberdyne_inc@hotmail.com **************************************************************************** 'This is what KLF is about. Also known as the Justified & Ancient of Mu Mu. Furthermore known as the JAMMs.' - R.Lyte ***************************************************************************** F*** the Millenium!! We Want it Now! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 17:48:17 +0100 From: "Dan Wilkinson" Subject: (klf) History of the Jams All, My local HMV has got 3 copies of this, 1 priced 16.99, other 2 3.99 (!). If anyone wants, then I can go fetch (provided they still have them) and post for cost. Would have bought them straightaway but no cash..... Dan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 21:48:14 -0400 From: Geoff Stanbury Subject: Re: (klf) This German band At 12:14 PM 5/15/98 +0100, Chris Peel 105/69 wrote: >Ironically, they have achieved exactly what the KLF managed to do - Bill >and Jimmy sold millions of records by NOT wanting to sell records, they >wouldn't do interviews, they would behave when Melody Maker or the NME >wanted to do an article on them. They never, ever, played a "gig" >(appearences in Clubs don't count). I don't fully believe that. I think that KLF was hoping to make it big, and it was just some sort of guise that it didn't want such an outcome. The entire image of "we want to fail, we want to forget about the well-crafted song" is designed to appeal to lots of people. Just look at the punk scene, particularly the Sex Pistols. The punk subculture is extremely anti-social and anti-mainstream. Everyone involved in it is so interested in trying to be "different" (by looking and acting in ways that are traditionally unpleasant) that it becomes quite normal and appealing to many. I mean, it's been thriving for decades all across the first world. I believe this is what KLF/JAMs were trying to do. By being so offensive to the mainstream (by avoiding interviews, breaking copyright, etc.), they were creating an appealing image of themselves as being "different," "independant," and "absolutely badassed." Furthermore, (sorry about the rambling) I think the entire JAMs/KLF project was something of an experiment. Drummond had done lots of work in the music industry prior to The JAMs, and he had gotten somewhat fed up with the way the industry was progressing. He decided to do an experiment, to see IF they could make it big by acting in ways that would seem to be disasterous for professional musicians. After learning that they COULD become a hit after breaking copyrights and everything else, with Doctorin' the Tardis, they took the experiment one step further, and broke every Golden Rule they mentioned in "The Manual." Their next single, which broke all these rules (I forget--was it "It's Grim Up North?") was a bust, for the most part. >Still they make No. 1 with 3AM >Eternal, No. 2 with Last Train To Trancentral so the scene is set - >whatever they released from then on will be a hit simply because of the >novely value. Not true. As I just mentioned, KLF has had some big flops in their time, but they were probably expecting it, or at least prepared for such a bust, as they believed they knew what was required to make a hit. I believe many of their flops were other sorts of experiments to see if could in fact just be the name of the artist that determined a hit; obviously not. Did you read all that? C'mon, do me a favor, go back and read the whole thing, please. :-) Lemme know what you all think. - --Geo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 13:27:46 +0100 From: "David R. Irvine" Subject: (klf) Timelords CD-V Thanks to everyone who answered my questions about this. There seems to be a few copies kicking around, at least in Glasgow - I've seen some more and Nicola Battista seems to be talking about the same one. If anyone else is interested I found it in Fopp in Byre's Road, 2.99. [Fopp also has branches in Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Sheffield and Leamington Spa]. Thanks also for the advice and help on seeing the video. I don't actually need to convert it or anything, because I've got the video as part of Mike Dutton's compilation [which I received within a few days of sending the cash - no complaints here]. I just bought it because I was curious. David Irvine D.R.Irvine@vet.gla.ac.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 14:34:24 -0400 From: Geoff Stanbury Subject: (klf) Charts archive? Hey, does anyone know where I could find an archive or something of the American and European charts? Like, Billboard or something? Specifically, I'm looking for statistics on KLF's individual songs--what exactly was a hit, when, where, etc. Thanks in advance. - --Geo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 19:42:53 +0100 From: "Peter Robinson" Subject: (klf) Intentional rubbishness Geoff Stanbury wrote: > I believe many > of their flops were other sorts of experiments to see if it could in fact just > be the name of the artist that determined a hit; obviously not. Along these lines, I'm interested in what people think - now the dust has settled - of the chart performance of "Fuck The Millennium". Indeed, was the single itself any good? And considering that Drummond and Cauty needed the single to be a hit in order for it to be justified as a global anthem of pre-millennial angst, was this any time to be playing around with Geoff Stanbury's "new name" theory? Incidentally, I found a few (five) copies of my "Justified & Ancient History" fanzine from a few years ago, which I'll be happy to pass on to anybody who gets in touch with me. Even if, as Gimpo has quite rightly observed, it is "bollocks". (More details on my website, address below.) Peter xxx _____________________________________________ from PETER ROBINSON email pete.rob@btinternet.com webshite http://www.btinternet.com/~pete.rob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 14:15:30 +0000 From: "Whiggy" Subject: Re: (klf) TWOK > Am i so tired that i don't recocknise (?) TWOK?? Apparently so, look again. TWO K. I don't know why they chose to write it that way. Maybe they were just trying to make your life more difficult. :-) Whiggy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 01:07:46 +0200 From: Jan-Terje Vellene Subject: Re: (klf) This German band Geoff Stanbury wrote: > At 12:14 PM 5/15/98 +0100, Chris Peel 105/69 wrote: > >Ironically, they have achieved exactly what the KLF managed to do - Bill > >and Jimmy sold millions of records by NOT wanting to sell records, they > >wouldn't do interviews, they would behave when Melody Maker or the NME > >wanted to do an article on them. They never, ever, played a "gig" > >(appearences in Clubs don't count). > I don't fully believe that. I think that KLF was hoping to make it big, > and it was just some sort of guise that it didn't want such an outcome. I think I agree with that. I remember reading an article about them where Jimmy was quoted (paraphrased from memore): (about the crop circles): "So there we were, trampling around in some farmer's yard, worrying that the record would flop totally" This was around 1987, I think and It sounded like they worried somewhat over their lack of success so far... - -Jan-Terje- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 00:48:27 +0200 From: Jan-Terje Vellene Subject: Re: (klf) MP3 Collection Well, I've got a CD version of 1987, and there's some extra tracks on it. Now, they are not what I recognize as the KLF; it sounds like a live recording of a noisy punkrock band with drummachine (ENT ??). They're not credited to anyone, but then again neither are the 1987 parts. Here are the tracks: 1: 1st side of 1987 2: 2nd side of 1987 3: (these titles only on CD) - Ivum Naya (IBO Version) - Rap, Rhyme and Scratch yourself - Burn the Bastards - Burn the Beat - Prestwich prophet's song - The Porpoise Song I could easily MP3 these, but then again I'm not sure whether they are much related to KLF. They certainly don't sound much like them :) Now, does anyone out there know where these tracks come from, and whether they are KLF related ? The CD is marked KLFCD007, white sleeve with red print. Title: KLF Presents the JAMs - 1987, What the : is going on ! With Bonus CD Tracks. Nice if anyone could sort that out. Cheers, - -Jan-Terje- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 19:23:58 -0600 From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (klf) MP3 Collection On Tue, May 26, 1998 at 12:48:27AM +0200, Jan-Terje Vellene wrote: > Well, I've got a CD version of 1987, and there's some extra tracks on it. > Now, they are not what I recognize as the KLF; it sounds like a live > recording of a noisy punkrock band with drummachine (ENT ??). They're > not credited to anyone, but then again neither are the 1987 parts. > > Now, does anyone out there know where these tracks come from, and > whether they are KLF related ? From the discography: [Live tracks by Big Black, possibly Rifle Sport - no KLF material. Actual Big Black songs are: (@0:00) ? / (@1:31) Passing Complexion / (@4:47) ? / (@7:56) ? / (@9:43) Jordan, Minnesota / (@14:24) Cables / (@17:51) Pigeon Kill / (@20:09) Kerosene / (@26:16) Bad Penny / (@29:07) Deep Six / (@32:09) ? / (@33:54) ?. Thanks to Bablos for details.] - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:16:43 GMT From: klf@cracl.demon.co.uk (Smiley) Subject: Re: (klf) DISCO 2000 Jesper writes: > DISCO 2000: Disco 2000 (Disco 12": DISCO 001 [4.78]) E1 > Well it would be open for anyone to use the name Disco 2000 since B&J are not > THAT known under that name. Anyone who has heard this, seen this or have this? i'm pretty sure that it's the 4 track 12" promo sampler for the compilation album Disco 2000 that's been discussed on this list previously. if not, it's the vinyl copy of the album. the full album contains 2K's 'FTM', but the sampler DOES NOT. cheers. - -- Smiley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:16:43 GMT From: klf@cracl.demon.co.uk (Smiley) Subject: Re: (klf) DISCO 2000 Jesper writes: > DISCO 2000: Disco 2000 (Disco 12": DISCO 001 [4.78]) E1 > Well it would be open for anyone to use the name Disco 2000 since B&J are not > THAT known under that name. Anyone who has heard this, seen this or have this? i'm pretty sure that it's the 4 track 12" promo sampler for the compilation album Disco 2000 that's been discussed on this list previously. if not, it's the vinyl copy of the album. the full album contains 2K's 'FTM', but the sampler DOES NOT. cheers. - -- Smiley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 23:24:42 -0400 From: Geoff Stanbury Subject: Re: (klf) This German band If you already got this, sorry. My email server's been kind of a mess lately. At 12:14 PM 5/15/98 +0100, Chris Peel 105/69 wrote: >Ironically, they have achieved exactly what the KLF managed to do - Bill >and Jimmy sold millions of records by NOT wanting to sell records, they >wouldn't do interviews, they would behave when Melody Maker or the NME >wanted to do an article on them. They never, ever, played a "gig" >(appearences in Clubs don't count). I don't fully believe that. I think that KLF was hoping to make it big, and it was just some sort of guise that it didn't want such an outcome. The entire image of "we want to fail, we want to forget about the well-crafted song" is designed to appeal to lots of people. Just look at the punk scene, particularly the Sex Pistols. The punk subculture is extremely anti-social and anti-mainstream. Everyone involved in it is so interested in trying to be "different" (by looking and acting in ways that are traditionally unpleasant) that it becomes quite normal and appealing to many. I mean, it's been thriving for decades all across the first world. I believe this is what KLF/JAMs were trying to do. By being so offensive to the mainstream (by avoiding interviews, breaking copyright, etc.), they were creating an appealing image of themselves as being "different," "independant," and "absolutely badassed." Furthermore, (sorry about the rambling) I think the entire JAMs/KLF project was something of an experiment. Drummond had done lots of work in the music industry prior to The JAMs, and he had gotten somewhat fed up with the way the industry was progressing. He decided to do an experiment, to see IF they could make it big by acting in ways that would seem to be disasterous for professional musicians. After learning that they COULD become a hit after breaking copyrights and everything else, with Doctorin' the Tardis, they took the experiment one step further, and broke every Golden Rule they mentioned in "The Manual." Their next single, which broke all these rules (I forget--was it "It's Grim Up North?") was a bust, for the most part. >Still they make No. 1 with 3AM >Eternal, No. 2 with Last Train To Trancentral so the scene is set - >whatever they released from then on will be a hit simply because of the >novely value. Not true. As I just mentioned, KLF has had some big flops in their time, but they were probably expecting it, or at least prepared for such a bust, as they believed they knew what was required to make a hit. I believe many of their flops were other sorts of experiments to see if could in fact just be the name of the artist that determined a hit; obviously not. Did you read all that? C'mon, do me a favor, go back and read the whole thing, please. :-) Lemme know what you all think. - --Geo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 23:24:17 -0400 From: Geoff Stanbury Subject: (klf) Charts archive? Hey, does anyone know where I could find an archive or something of the American and European charts? Like, Billboard or something? Specifically, I'm looking for statistics on KLF's individual songs--what exactly was a hit, when, where, etc. Thanks in advance. - --Geo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:16:43 GMT From: klf@cracl.demon.co.uk (Smiley) Subject: Re: (klf) DISCO 2000 Jesper writes: > DISCO 2000: Disco 2000 (Disco 12": DISCO 001 [4.78]) E1 > Well it would be open for anyone to use the name Disco 2000 since B&J are not > THAT known under that name. Anyone who has heard this, seen this or have this? i'm pretty sure that it's the 4 track 12" promo sampler for the compilation album Disco 2000 that's been discussed on this list previously. if not, it's the vinyl copy of the album. the full album contains 2K's 'FTM', but the sampler DOES NOT. cheers. - -- Smiley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:21:35 +0000 From: "M. Hemming - Graphics Bloke" Subject: (klf) Questions... Hi, does anybody know when the sequel to Bad Wisdom is due to be published? I am new to this list but I refuse to do the "getting to know you" post that the welcome message asks for (does this make me a bad person?), suffice to say I eat, drink, sleep, fart and perform various unpleasant personal habits - just like everyone else. Martyn H. Martyn The Cad CAD Bloke International Convention Centre Birmingham # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ End of klf-digest V2 #100 *************************