From: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com (klf-digest) To: klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klf-digest V2 #118 Reply-To: klf-digest Sender: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes klf-digest Sunday, July 19 1998 Volume 02 : Number 118 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:28:51 EDT From: Subject: Re: (klf) the price list saga > I'm against the idea of a price list. Several reasons > 1. There are far too many records to list and the pricesz they can be found > at vary far too much, Not really. I find 12"s generally are the same price. Bootlegs as well. All taht really needs to be done is find a price for the lps, which is where variance comes in. Over on the Pet Shop Boys group someone was commenting that he paid $100US for a bootleg which could easily be found for $25US. Those without experience would benefit from something like this. They need to realize however that these are not SET prices. Just becasue we might say $50 is a good price for K Cera Cera doesn't mean they should think it's a rip off if someone is selling it for $75. . > 2. The cost of sending records abroard or to elsewhere in the same country > could seriously altere the price This should have nothing to do with the cost of the item itself. Shipping is entirely different and should be assumed to be an added cost. > 3. This may come as a shock but some list members are making a fortune > out of charging people in alternative countries extortionate rates for > certain CDs, a price list would damage their income. Most people who collect records are aware of their value. Even though I want to get a copy of the 1987lp someday I'm not stupid enough to pay $200 for it. as far as exchange rates, it's up to the buyer to know how much 75UKP is in his home currency. > 4. It will all lead to arguements and people pissed off. No arguement there. :) But so does anything that's debateable. And Now: Paul's Guide to KLF buying. Here's my general pricing guide. In US dollars Singles -- standard commercial issue $25 Promo singles -- prices really vary but if the promo has exclusive tracks it really depends on how many are pressed. $25 (same tracks as commercial); $35+ depending on rarity. Consult the Discog. Bootleg cds $25-$35 for single discs (but $35 is pushing it). I'm not getting into CDrs 1987 I'd pay $100 Who Killed the Jams I've no idea, I rarely see this for sale. I paid $5 for mine but that was at a used record store... $50 Chill Out $50 What Time is Love Story $50 Note: Things can be cheaper or more expensive. If I find an old 12" for $15 I consider myself lucky. - -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:35:53 +0200 From: Mattias Frid Subject: Re: (klf) the price list saga !!!Rant-Warning!!! :) >I'm against the idea of a price list. Several reasons >1. There are far too many records to list and the pricesz they can be found Well, the point isn't to do a _definite_ list. (At least I hope it isn't :) Granted there are a lot of records out there and, yeah the prices do vary. _But_ the plan (oooh, I love plans!) is to have an approx list, including the 'bigger' items and generalize the different pressings/versions/covers/labels etc We already have a guy volunteering to do the job of correlating all the data given to him (Johan Hedberg, thanks!) and all the rest of us have to do is to supply him with info on how much we payed for our stuff. And the records aren't too many to list. There's already a very nice discography, right? :) >2. The cost of sending records abroard or to elsewhere in the same country Well, this isn't relevant really, since shipping and stuff IMHO isn't a part of the price of an item it self. >3. This may come as a shock but some list members are making a fortune Um. So? :) Is it really very ethical to rip people off? No, I don't think so... I'm aware of how capitalism works, and I support that very economic system but people should always be aware of how much they're supposed to charge/pay. If the list says 100ukp for the original 1987 and I find it for 200ukp I'd probably consider buying it anyway, since I know I'm not likely to find another ex for sale in the near future. This argument works the other way as well, but I feel like I'm ranting enough already :) Anyway, I don't view the creation of a price list as a way of busting peoples income. I'd rather see it as a way to help people who might get ripped off or don't know how much to charge people, to keep a sensible price level. If someone still want to sell cds at extortionate rates it's their problem if they don't sell any. >4. It will all lead to arguements and people pissed off. Nah... Why would anyone get pissed off over this? That'd only be a sign of what a fucked up world we live in if anyone got pissed off over a price list. Anyway, what it all boils down to is this. It'd just be a list of approximate prices some guys published to make things easier. It wouldn't be the definite holy word or law on how much you should sell your cds for. I see no harm in making a list of this kind. And if there already are price lists in commercial books why not copy them and post them on the web? ("Copyright"? SO?!? ;) Well, that's my 2 cents, pennies, pfennig or whatever... Cheers! //FRiD BTW, go visit www.afrosquad.com. Pipms galore! :) - ----------------------------------------------------- Mattias Frid "You can't scare me! I'm a Framtidsv. 4:313 coward, I'm always scared!" S-35252 Vaxjo - Arnold J. Rimmer/Red Dwarf SWEDEN mfrsv95@student.hv.se http://www.frid.home.ml.org - ----------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:49:59 +0200 From: Xavier Ehret Subject: RE: (klf) Re: 1987 LP As far as prices are concerned, the only thing i would advocate is asking the list each time you want to buy a KLF item, and get the best advice available. Making a price list is not realistic : they change, and some people are sometimes attached to special items, selling them at a high price, which some people are prepared to pay. Their is no REAL value for a KLF item, just the price sometime is ready to pay. Cheers Xav # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:54:45 +0200 From: Mattias Frid Subject: (klf) Different Project Hey guys! What/who is 'Different Project'? I know they made a version of 'Fuck the millennium' and a song called 'London by night' but who are these people, really? Cheers! //FRiD - ----------------------------------------------------- Mattias Frid "You can't scare me! I'm a Framtidsv. 4:313 coward, I'm always scared!" S-35252 Vaxjo - Arnold J. Rimmer/Red Dwarf SWEDEN mfrsv95@student.hv.se http://www.frid.home.ml.org - ----------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:57:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan White Subject: Re: (klf) the price list saga Christopher Gilmour Wrote: > I'm against the idea of a price list. Several reasons > 1. There are far too many records to list and the pricesz they can be fo= und > at vary far too much, for example a copy of waiting for the rites... may= > be 10UKP in ECHO records in Glasgow, or 20UKP in Tower records in London= . You mean theres still copies for sale new in the shops? But if new prices do seem to vary then thats fine, the recommended price would be the price range =A310 - =A320 > 2. The cost of sending records abroard or to elsewhere in the same count= ry > could seriously altere the price, for example sending a CD in the post t= o > somewheere else in the UK costs around 0.5UKP without soft packaging, or= > up to 2UKP recorded delivery in a jiffy envelope. Sending it abroard > would cost far more. And I think the stamps/franking mark on the envelope are evidence enough of postal cost separate to the cost of a record. > 3. This may come as a shock but some list members are making a fortune > out of charging people in alternative countries extortionate rates for > certain CDs, a price list would damage their income. Maybe yours perhaps? > 4. It will all lead to arguements and people pissed off. > What? It would be a useful addition of info for anyone who wants KLF stuff on the list/internet that reads the discography and realises that there's shit loads of old KLF stuff that they don't have. > So instead of refering to a mailing list pricelist, refer to commercial > record collecting books, or haggle over the price. It would be a lot eas= ier. Unless you haven't a clue what's the worht of what your haggling over. Alan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:09:56 +0300 From: "Panayiotis 'Bizzzare' Liapis" Subject: Re: (klf) the price list saga *********** REPLY PARTITION *********** On 16/7/1998, at 3:37 =F0=EC, Mattias Frid wrote: >>I'm against the idea of a price list. Several reasons I think it's a pretty good idea. Helps people not get ripped offf, don't= you think? >>2. The cost of sending records abroard or to elsewhere in the same= country Nah, that's just an added cost. Not very significant either usually. >>3. This may come as a shock but some list members are making a fortune Yeah, unfortunately i've noticed that. It's time to stop some of them! >>4. It will all lead to arguements and people pissed off. What????? welcome Mattias! Chill, Bizzzare Love is, a soul in 2 bodies... - -------------------------------------- Bizzzare, in his awesome obsessive quest towards 'The Lost Continent'.= There, he finds his 'White Room', and his 'Fleria'. He has won... Obsessions : The KLF, Hip-hop, Cinema, 'Fleria', Comics Web-page : http://users.otenet.gr/~bizzzare Age:17 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:15:36 +0300 From: "Panayiotis 'Bizzzare' Liapis" Subject: (klf) dutton Hi all, there was a question about wehter i have received any of the stuff from= Dutton. Silly question:) Of course NOT! Chill, Bizzzare Love is, a soul in 2 bodies... - -------------------------------------- Bizzzare, in his awesome obsessive quest towards 'The Lost Continent'.= There, he finds his 'White Room', and his 'Fleria'. He has won... Obsessions : The KLF, Hip-hop, Cinema, 'Fleria', Comics Web-page : http://users.otenet.gr/~bizzzare Age:17 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:18:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Gregor Menasian Subject: Price List - was RE: (klf) Re: 1987 LP On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Xavier Ehret wrote: > As far as prices are concerned, the only thing i would advocate is > asking the list each time you want to buy a KLF item, and get the best > advice available. Asking on the list every time one of us buys something would waste a lot of bandwidth and get out of hand... A price guide is basicly a kind of FAQ. > Making a price list is not realistic : they change, and some people are > sometimes attached to special items, selling them at a high price, which > some people are prepared to pay. Prices do change, but certain items are always going to be worth more than others... I suggest that instead of a straight price guide, we make a rarity list with print run sizes and approximate value ranges listed for each item. Rarities include: IP - in print, with MSRP C - common, out of print, but easy to find U - uncommon, if you hunt you should be able to find it R - rare, hard to find, consider yourself lucky! VR - very rare, they're out there, but not a lot of them - what a find! ER - extremely rare, any promo-only stuff with a tiny print run. > Their is no REAL value for a KLF item, just the price sometime is ready > to pay. The first time you see an item, you may think that will be your last - salespeople often try to convince you of this to get you to pay an unreasonable price for something. A price/rarity list would be a great service to anyone who doesn't know much about collecting... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:23:30 +0200 From: Johan Hedberg Subject: (klf) the price list saga I think that Christopher.D.Gilmour has a point. A small one... On the other hand I think the idea of creating a list is great. Let's not bother 'bout shipping, fortune-seeking people on the list and other irrelevant stuff. All we want is a list that show us the prices we could expect when we're buying the records we love so much. That's all. We're not talking 'bout the Holy Bible of KLF Prices here. So come and send me the prices you know and I'll take care of the list-making. We need this. All prices in $, GBP or DEM so it's easy for me to convert them. Well, if there is some in YEN I'll handle that to... =) One other thing: Let's not copy the pricelists from commercial books. 1. Copyright. 2. They often don't know the real prices. I mean, 1987 might be worth $X but the price that people should expect is $Y. What of the above is the most useful to know? Thought so... =) /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:33:40 +0200 From: Johan Hedberg Subject: Re: Price List - was RE: (klf) Re: 1987 LP >I suggest that instead of a straight price guide, we make a rarity list >with print run sizes and approximate value ranges listed for each item. >Rarities include: >IP - in print, with MSRP >C - common, out of print, but easy to find >U - uncommon, if you hunt you should be able to find it >R - rare, hard to find, consider yourself lucky! >VR - very rare, they're out there, but not a lot of them - what a find! >ER - extremely rare, any promo-only stuff with a tiny print run. > >> Their is no REAL value for a KLF item, just the price sometime is ready >> to pay. > >The first time you see an item, you may think that will be your last - >salespeople often try to convince you of this to get you to pay an >unreasonable price for something. > >A price/rarity list would be a great service to anyone who doesn't know >much about collecting... Splendid idea! How about not just making it a price _or_ a rarity list? Why don't we make it a both price _and_ and rarity list? I'll still do it... =) /Johan AB Upsala Nya Tidning E-mail: johan.hedberg@unt.se Johan Hedberg Fax: +46 - 18 - 10 97 83 UNT Fredag Tel: +46 - 18 - 17 03 46 Box 36 Mobil: +46 - 70 - 473 15 75 S - 751 03 Uppsala Sweden _____________________________ Free Kevin Mitnick! http://www.KevinMitnick.com _____________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:37:16 +0200 From: Johan Hedberg Subject: (klf) Sorry... It seem like one word slipped away in that last message of mine... Of course I wrote 'So come _on_ and send me the prices you know and...' and NOT 'So come and send me the prices you know and...' =) (Hate those one-liners to, but I just had to tell that...somebody might think that I meant that you should _come_ and then send me...and that would have been embarassing...) =) /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:47:58 +0100 From: Andy Robinson Subject: Re: (klf) the price list saga Well, as I predicted, the price list has kicked off a lot of argment before it's even started... The only way of doing this is without argument is for it to be an entirely factual list of prices we have seen in shop or actually sold items for... once we have a few prices it will be obvious what (and who) is cheap and what/who is overpriced. I'd like the list to be based on the discography (but only including items where recent prices are known), giving prices seen, or sold at, together with where & when they were seen (and by who to stop people hyping up an item they are going to sell). A good place to start would be prices from on-line resellers such as esprit - http://www.eil.co.uk/eil/klf.txt - - andy R. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:16:17 +0200 From: Johan Hedberg Subject: Re: (klf) the price list saga >Well, as I predicted, the price list has kicked off a lot of argment >before it's even started... > >The only way of doing this is without argument is for it to be an >entirely factual list of prices we have seen in shop or actually sold >items for... once we have a few prices it will be obvious what (and who) >is cheap and what/who is overpriced. > >I'd like the list to be based on the discography (but only including >items where recent prices are known), giving prices seen, or sold at, >together with where & when they were seen (and by who to stop people >hyping up an item they are going to sell). > >A good place to start would be prices from on-line resellers such as >esprit - http://www.eil.co.uk/eil/klf.txt > >- andy R. Well, that's not a bad idea at all. =) We'll do it that way. /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:18:37 -0700 From: "Scott McCoskery" Subject: (klf) Chill Out / Space Hello everyone, Chill out is one of my all-time favorite albums, which has me trying to find all interesting related recordings. Does anyone have the KLF/Orb "Chill Out Megamix" that's listed in the Orb discography. If so, how is it? There are several other remixes listed in the KLF discog., but the only one that sounds real interesting to me is "Lotus Chill Out Volume 1" Does anyone have an opinion on this? If anyone has either of these (or Space, too) I would love to do some trading. Thanks, Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:42:10 +0200 From: Robert Elfving Subject: (klf) for sale or trade Hi everyone, I have the following stuff for sale or trade: WTIL 7" KLF004 UK 1990 release, black sleeve w blue letters WTIL 7" COMA7011 Scandinavian 90 release, pink sleeve, incl 89 Primal mix WTIL 12" COMA127011 4 mixes (incl techno gate + original pure trance mix) 3am 7" KLF005 UK LTTT 7" KLF008 UK woc IGUN 7" JAMS028 UK J&A 7" KLF99 UK J&A 7" COMA7023 Scandinavian release + "Win A Week In London" competition J&A CD5 US release incl Stand By The Jams 12" version J&A CS US release cassette single + Stadium House insert KLF vs ENT - 3am Eternal bootleg 7" in stickered sleeve, 3AM1 1987 What The Fuck's Going On, bootleg LP, red sleeve, JAMSLP1 Lori & The Chameleons - Touch 7" UK 1979 release w/ Drummond Brilliant - Somebody 12" GER 4 track Brilliant - Kiss The Lips Of Life LP BRILL 1 Brilliant - Kiss The Lips Of Life LP US cut-out but still sealed Sunsonic - Roll My Body ltd 12" incl Cauty's Gris Gris remix SFX - Lemmings 12" UK SFX - Lemmings CD5 UK 1300 Drums - Ooh Aah Cantona CD5 UK 5 mixes DYND5 various - 6 In The Mix CD incl LTTT 7"mix + Mental Cube/FSOL's "Q" etc KALA001 Draculas Daughter 7" KALA002 The Fuckers 7" KALA003 Gimpo 7" KALA004 The Daytonas 7" Non-KLF related: Orb - Perpetual Dawn 7" UK original 1991 release Orb - Little Fluffy Clouds CD UK BLRC98 cassette incl Ambient mix Art Of Noise - Art Of Love CS UK CHICS23 (Youth/Orb mix) Bananarama - Only your Love 12" UK (Youth/Thrash mix) Spectre - Covert Dub CD5 UK 6 tracks incl Orb mix Dreadzone - Captain Dread CD5 6 mixes Ultramarine - Folk CD album, original Crepuscule release, TWI894-2 Fortran 5 - Crazy Earth 7" UK promo Mute113r with unreleased radio edits Locust - The Girl With The Fairytale Dream 7" APOLLO 33X Global Communication - The Way/The Deep CD5 UK 2track release, GLOBA002CD + loads of other stuff, Orbital, Shamen, FSOL, Underworld etc, please send wants ***WANTED***: KLF8R Last Train To Trancentral - pure trance 12" KLF10R Kylie Said - 12" double pack KLF010CD Kylie Said - CD single KLF92PROMO2 January WTIL 12" JAMSLP1 1987 LP with original merchandise insert KALA005, 006, 008, 009 7"s KALA007 Bad Wisdom LP If anyone is interested in any of the items above please email: Robert.Elfving.6905@student.uu.se thanks, Robert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:30:20 EDT From: Subject: (klf) Thanks Lars! All this chat about the cost...just had mine, bloody good deal, which wou= ld=0Aanyone rather do, spend =A320 now and wait a year for something less= =0Asubstantial, or pay =A335 and get it in 4 days?? We are very happy Bunnies =BA=BF=BA Chris & Adrian=0A # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:43:43 +0300 From: David Ashkenazi Subject: (klf) WFTROM - MAYDAY! Hi, Still looking for it, anyone? Regards, David 8?) - -- __________________________________ David Ashkenazi, Tel-Aviv, Israel. IRC nickname: "Boredman". Phone: 971-3-6875091 adavid@inter.net.il http://members.forfree.at/~boredman/index.html 13255725@pager.mirabilis.com http://wwp.mirabilis.com/13255725 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 06:53:04 EDT From: Subject: (klf) Re: Lars Stuff All this chat about the cost...just had mine, bloody good deal, which wou= ld=0Aanyone rather do, spend =A320 now and wait a year for something less= =0Asubstantial, or pay =A335 and get it in 4 days?? We are very happy Bunnies =BA=BF=BA Chris & Adrian=0A # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ End of klf-digest V2 #118 *************************