From: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com (klf-digest) To: klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klf-digest V2 #126 Reply-To: klf-digest Sender: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes klf-digest Saturday, August 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 126 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:52:48 +0300 From: David Ashkenazi Subject: (klf) Space Hi, I'm really sorry to bother you all with that, but i have to ask something. Can someone please tell with what's the matrix on the original 'Space' CD? Is it different from the bootleg version of it? Thanks, David 8?) - -- __________________________________ David Ashkenazi, Tel-Aviv, Israel. IRC nickname: "Boredman". Phone: 971-3-6875091 adavid@inter.net.il ICQ: 13255725 13255725@pager.mirabilis.com http://www.mirabilis.com/13255725 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 05:32:11 PDT From: "m u t e" Subject: (klf) Lots of stuff from the last digest... Great to see so much action on the list lately, incidentally...but now for some recent stuff: Peter Robinson said: "If it's so exciting simply because somebody has been appropriating the KLF's aesthetic then we may as well be spending our time discussing the Outhere Brothers. Or Portishead, who use the KLF font. Hey, you don't think Portishead *are* The KLF, do you? And, like, some of Michael K's mail came from Bristol." Tee-hee. And at the risk of missing the point (yeah, I know)- what's the similarity between the Outhere Brothers and the K-aesthetic? Jharek Carnelian (who I'm hoping isn't the same person as this list's "Jerry Cornelious"...) said: "However, such minutiae have been proved to be clue-some in the case of The Rites of Mu CD for example. The absence of the official Compacta font being a "bootleg" double bluff in that particular instance since B&J definitely authorised this release." Last word on this, as far as I recall, was that B&J actually took legal action against Echo Beach. Or are you contending that this, too, was part of the same elaborate double bluff? "It's not easy with The B&J because: 2. Contrary to what you've said they didnt really produce and perform much at all on their KLF records (Jams...yes). The KLF were a big collective...and though I cant hear much of Rockman Rock's Atari, I can hear Coler's keys and Bello, Harvey and Da Force on vox to mention just 4 of the gang." They did produce their stuff. And just because a piece of programming or guitar by one of them isn't as obvious as Ricardo's rap (or gut), doesn't mean that it isn't on the recording! "3. They DID say "DIVIDE & KREATE" and that's the era we're now in. Nobody knows who's doing what and all theories of "well it's not as professional as B&J would be" is 670% PURE-ARSE since FTM and Rites of Mu CD were DESIGNED to look second-hand, bootlegged, fake." Already addressed the Rites of Mu, but IMHO FTM looks less bootlegged than just feebly designed. Part of the whole underthinking that the project suffered from... "How many times has a humble teenage fanzine-writer got to write for IPC Publications and what would make a humble fanzine writer a "reliable" source for Push to check out the "unreliable" Michael K in the Melody Maker?" His obvious closeness to and knowledge of the legitimate K work would have made him reliable. And I know another guy (from another muisic-related mailing list) who graduated from writing a fanzine to a staff job on MM, and now a freelance gig at the same paper...so that makes at least two. Keep questioning, though. I'm enjoying your enquiring mind and *some* of your theories.... Colin Hamilton said, "But I think it was definitely B&J's intention to get SOME PROJECTS GOING.. The various JAMM things seem to me to be a direct response to his qupote at the time of FTM that it should be regarded as "THE STARTER's WHISTLE" " I think that this was just a reference to their own millennium-fucking activities...witness how the floppiness of the single has been followed by the apparent abandonment of both the Plant Hire website and the Pyramid construction. The JAMM stuff seems far more like a response to the call for such projects on the original version of the Gimpo/MAD site than something that Bill was involved with or attempting to inspire. "Perhaps the new T2K is a return." For the billionth time: "the new" www.t2k.net (the old gimpo.base.org) is Gimpo and M/A/D. . Not Michael K, not Drummond and Cauty. The web-artist currently known as M/A/D was an active member of this list for a long time before he started working with the Gimp; do you think that was more Michael K scam-work? Planning for years to fool us when the opportunity arose? Speaking of long-time active members of this list... Stuart Bruce said: "What we've already established is that "Michael K" was one of the KLF's publicists." Have we definitely? "> 3. Suffice to say, I was a little incredulous but entirely convinced. > Pete's not exactly a KLF fan but he is an avid Maker/NME reader . He's also a Maker _writer_, which means he might get a little bit of information when something happens. > so he was well up on the K Foundation antics but not on the X$X thing > which I briefly summed up for him. Unfortunately, we didnt have time > to go much further other than for me to tell him about the list and > how to subscribe I thought he was already subscribed. In fact he gave me the impression that he was tired of getting over-curious mail about X$X and the KLF fanzines he's done in the past. > Anyway...this synchronicity is like slightly awesome and obviously I > need to talk morer to Pete about it at the first opportunity. Doesn't strike me as a synchronicity as such. Just one of those things." Wrong Pete. He was (it seemed to me) talking about his friend who used to work in the PO, who happens to be named Pete, and he wasn't careful enough to clarify that he didn't mean the fanzine writer formerly known as Pete, now Peter Robinson. And finally...was M/A/D's quote of Gimpo's Billy Bookcase reference something from the IRC session? Sounds familiar...but I don't think I'm anyone special to "know". I'm out... Mute. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:04:12 +0200 From: Christian Villum Subject: (klf) Moody Boys - Kings of the funky zulus? I've found a record - perhaps a Jimmy Cauty / Tony Thorpe item? No obvious catalog number or recordlabel, completely white cover. One side of the records has a zulu warrior pictured. VERY small letters say: "Art: Ady". No familiar graphics, logos, fonts etc. The other side features the text: Moody Boys - "King of the zulus" b/w "Playing with spears" + "United we conquer" written twice in a circle around the edge of the centerlabel. Scratched into vinyl is: M313-01-01-1 Can anybody enlighten me...? Christian V subwave@email.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:48:06 +0100 (BST) From: Culf Subject: Re: (klf) Moody Boys - Kings of the funky zulus? I know a couple of people (incl. me) who have one of these. It was a very very early Moody Boys release. I think it pre-dates "Funky Zulu" and that lot on Citybeat. I presume since it is so early that Cauty is involved, but I don't actually know that. I've never seen a copy that has any more information than you've described (although I've not checked the matrix number on mine, I assume its the same - M313 doesn't mean anything to me, however). > I've found a record - perhaps a Jimmy Cauty / Tony Thorpe item? > > No obvious catalog number or recordlabel, completely white cover. > One side of the records has a zulu warrior pictured. VERY small letters say: "Art: Ady". No familiar graphics, logos, fonts etc. > The other side features the text: > Moody Boys - "King of the zulus" b/w "Playing with spears" > + "United we conquer" written twice in a circle around the edge of the centerlabel. > Scratched into vinyl is: M313-01-01-1 > > Can anybody enlighten me...? > > Christian V > subwave@email.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:14:59 +0200 From: Christian Villum Subject: RE: RE: (klf) Moody Boys - Kings of the funky zulus? Culf wrote > "I know a couple of people (incl. me) who have one of = these. It was a very very early Moody Boys release. I think it = pre-dates "Funky Zulu" and that lot on Citybeat. I presume since it is so early that Cauty is involved, but I don't actually know that. I've never seen a = copy that has any more information than you've described (although I've not checked the matrix number on mine, I assume its the same - M313 doesn't mean anything to me, however)." Is it rare? Christian V subwave@email.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:17:03 +0100 (BST) From: Culf Subject: Re: RE: (klf) Moody Boys - Kings of the funky zulus? Dunno! Relatively I guess, as not that many people seem to be aware of it. But don't quote me on that, cos I really haven't much more idea than you :) Culf. > I've not checked the matrix number on mine, I assume its the same - M313 > doesn't mean anything to me, however)." > > Is it rare? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:09:16 +0100 From: M/A/D Subject: (klf) Whois The correct use of 'whois'... Apologies to the vast majority of list-members that this does not apply to, but somebody needs to be told this: If you are going to use 'whois', please bear in mind that it gives you the details of the person who purchased the domain name, NOT the people it was purchased for. It would therefore be quite stupid to phone up some poor web designer who has been paid simply to register a domain and start asking questions about clients he may never even have met. It would be even more stupid to do this from America without taking account of the time differences when calling the UK. It would be quite astonishingly stupid to wake up such a web designer's wife up at four in the morning with your questions about a client she has never even heard of. This will not get you any answers, it will just get people annoyed. Thank you. Now, obviously the above is not me talking (I don't have a wife) but those who know will know... Cheers, M/A/D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:57:01 PDT From: "Colin Hamilton" Subject: Re: (klf) GFT Caravan Hi... I presume that some of the nutters gathered around and inside the GFT caravan were list-members. I got into the caravan briefly but it was pretty packed and everyone seemed to be busy talking. I watched it on a mionitor sticking out of the window... Didnt think much of it, but then what can you sa about repetitive footage of the M25? Concrete Enema which I think was the very last film was nothing short of disturbing. I had nightmares. Is there anything going on tonight? What about X$X? I still havent shot the posters I saw on that (if they're still there. Maybe this evening if me bird brings the requisite equipment home. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:36:05 +0100 From: "Phil Blake" Subject: Re: (klf) GFT Caravan - -----Original Message----- From: Colin Hamilton Subject: Re: (klf) GFT Caravan > >Hi... >I presume that some of the nutters gathered around and inside the GFT >caravan were list-members. Define Nutters??? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 98 19:45:02 -0500 From: nhetrick Subject: Re: (orb) Re: (klf) Moody Boys - Kings of the funky zulus? RE: Tony Thorpe (one-time KLF & System 7 collaborator) >> I've found a record - perhaps a Jimmy Cauty / Tony Thorpe item? >> This got me thinking -- what all is Mr. Thorpe *doing* these days, anyway? I picked up his "Recycled for the Environment" 2CD a while ago (some of it is pretty good), but that was 1995.... Neil Hetrick nhetrick@idsonline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:40:13 +0200 From: Niko Tzoukmanis Subject: Re: (orb) Re: (klf) Moody Boys - Kings of the funky zulus? nhetrick wrote: > > RE: Tony Thorpe (one-time KLF & System 7 collaborator) > >> I've found a record - perhaps a Jimmy Cauty / Tony Thorpe item? > >> > > This got me thinking -- what all is Mr. Thorpe *doing* these days, > anyway? I picked up his "Recycled for the Environment" 2CD a while ago mr thorpe has an own label called language (most well known artists buckfunk 3000 to my knowledge), more info can be found at the crammed page www.crammed.be cheers niko - -- Niko Tzoukmanis URL: http://wwwhoppe.math.uni-augsburg.de/~tzoukman "Life's too short for boring music" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 04:26:35 PDT From: "Colin Hamilton" Subject: Re:(klf) GFT Caravan I take it you were one of the "nutters" outside the GFT Caravan. No offence intended. I was a little put off enquiring because a lot of the people seemed to be on something or pissed and they looked a bit....(choosing his words carfeully)....crusty. Again no offence intended but I was with the girlfriend and wearing a tie at the time and, well y'know. I didnt think I'd fir in with the action. (OK, OK...I'M the nutter.) I spotted Gimpo, though... he looked relaxed. PS-Went last night also. Not a lot happening other than the films inside. A bit cooler in there (temperature that is) so I actually watched some films all the way through this time. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:00:24 -0000 From: "Reed, Mark" Subject: (klf) Bill at Edinburgh I don't want to get anyone's hopes up unduly, but I heard last night from a very reliable source that Bill Drummond will be doing a reading in Edinburgh next week. If anyone's interested in the details, let me know and I'll try to find out more over the weekend. Bear in mind though, that these sort of things get arranged and cancelled all the time, but my friend said that Bill has confirmed his appearance. Mark This message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. If the message is received by anyone other than the addressee, please return the message to the sender by replying to it and then delete the message from your computer. 'Internet communications are not secure. The Royal Bank does not accept responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent.' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:24:01 -0000 From: "Reed, Mark" Subject: (klf) Bill at Edinburgh follow up Sorry to have raised peoples hopes unduly, but I have just spoken to my friend, and the reading with Bill has been cancelled. Bill had confirmed his attendance, apparently, but the event itself was cancelled. Chances are that he'll still be in Edinburgh for the festival, and he may turn up at another event. If I hear any more, I'll let you know. Mark P.S. I don't know whether he was going to be reading from Bad Wisdom Vol 1 or whether Zed would also have been there. This message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. If the message is received by anyone other than the addressee, please return the message to the sender by replying to it and then delete the message from your computer. 'Internet communications are not secure. The Royal Bank does not accept responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent.' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 12:46:34 +0100 (BST) From: Nick Subject: Re: (klf) The Manual - German Issue On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Torsten Pattberg wrote: > I heard that a german issue of "The Manual" will be released in > september (Buchmesse Leipzig). Does anyone have further information? > I also hear that Ellipsis are releasing a UK version of this in September. It will feature new text by Bill and John Savage. More info to follow... :) NIk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ("KLF archivist-of-information") Nick Gilmour E-Mail: N.W.Gilmour@selc.hull.ac.uk WWW: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dgilmour/nick.htm KLF FAQ: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dgilmour/klf-faq.txt ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ End of klf-digest V2 #126 *************************