From: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com (klf-digest) To: klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klf-digest V2 #250 Reply-To: klf-digest Sender: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes klf-digest Friday, October 1 1999 Volume 02 : Number 250 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:18:53 +0100 (BST) From: Culf Subject: Re: (klf) IGUN rarer than thought? > The difference between > 3 and 50 is probably significant; the difference between 500 and not-limited > is not; I'd say the difference between 200 and 350 is not either (it's "a > few hundred" in either case). That should have read: "... the difference between 500 and not-limited is significant; ..." Braino, Sorry! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:29:18 MET From: "BUG" Subject: Re: (klf) IGUN rarer than thought? > > Anyway, would it really matter to you, the difference between 200 and > > 350? > > of course it matters, if someone wants to sell you a copy and claims > it's been pressed 200 times while actually it's been pressed 100000 > times you are getting ripped off! You missed the point. The discog notes that items are limited, very limited, extremely limited, or rare as ****, by attempting to give numbers Don't forget, something that is not indicated as "limited" is, of course, limited, as a finite number have been pressed, and no more will be pressed. We just have little conception of how many that finite number is! > I know it's a best effort and am extremely happy with the fact that > we have it to consult. It should come with a health warning! Culf. I guess it all comes down to personal perceptions of 'rare' etc. My point still stands however; if that infosheet says 200 and the discog. says 350, someone is wrong. Isn't it worth further investigation? We all want the discog. to be as accurate as possible. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:34:48 +0200 From: anders@algonet.se (Anders Hultman) Subject: Re: (klf) IGUN rarer than thought? >I guess it all comes down to personal perceptions of 'rare' etc. >My point still stands however; if that infosheet says 200 and the >discog. says 350, someone is wrong. Isn't it worth further >investigation? We all want the discog. to be as accurate as possible. You're free to do that further investigation, and then report your results to the discography maintainers. anders - ------------------------------ http://www.algonet.se/~anders/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:38:57 MET From: "BUG" Subject: Re: (klf) IGUN rarer than thought? >I guess it all comes down to personal perceptions of 'rare' etc. >My point still stands however; if that infosheet says 200 and the >discog. says 350, someone is wrong. Isn't it worth further >investigation? We all want the discog. to be as accurate as possible. You're free to do that further investigation, and then report your results to the discography maintainers. I sure will! I'm gonna buy all the copies of IGUN 1-sided grey and then we will know for sure. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:43:05 +0100 (BST) From: Culf Subject: Re: (klf) IGUN rarer than thought? > I guess it all comes down to personal perceptions of 'rare' etc. Well that's true enough; I personally class 200 and 350 copies as roughly equivalently rare. > My point still stands however; if that infosheet says 200 and the > discog. says 350, someone is wrong. Isn't it worth further > investigation? We all want the discog. to be as accurate as possible. I already made the point that there's no real way of verifying it, aside from obtaining the original documentation for the pressing plant order. You could phone Bill and ask, and unless he particularly remembers, which I doubt, he'd probably first of all say "I don't remember", and then if you pressed him for an answer he'd probably just guess roughly. Would that guess be "authoratative" or "correct" enough for you? I suspect he won't have most of the documentation any more, so even he couldn't verify it. No sources we have or can obtain are guaranteed to tell us exactly how many were produced; and even less so how many are still in existence (how do you know a box of 100 IGUN grey vinyls didn't get lost on the way from the pressing plant and later got burned by some farmer in his field?). We have to trust what 'they' say: but where they say contradictory things, we just have to pick one and/or note the discrepancy (this is the case for at least one of them - 12 or 20?). Culf. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:44:11 +0100 (BST) From: Culf Subject: Re: (klf) IGUN rarer than thought? > I sure will! I'm gonna buy all the copies of IGUN 1-sided grey and > then we will know for sure. What will that prove? You don't know how many copies I have! And I'm not selling any of them! Culf. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:50:42 MET From: "BUG" Subject: Re: (klf) IGUN rarer than thought? > I sure will! I'm gonna buy all the copies of IGUN 1-sided grey and > then we will know for sure. What will that prove? You don't know how many copies I have! And I'm not selling any of them! Culf. But you could tell us how many copies you have, unless you don't want to cooperate in making a better discog. and making all the klf fans in the world happier persons. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:53:54 +0100 From: "Sampson, Neil" Subject: (klf) kollections.... Someone wrote earlier... >How would we go about checking your idea Simon? Everyone on the list should >send >someone their rare items and someone should count them.... I'll tell you what, just to cut this topic short...a listmember (assuming he's still here) has virtually *everything* possibly related to the KLF and all their guises in every form - commercial release/promo/test-pressings/demos etc...something that would put the rest of us to shame. i think its safe to say if its on the discog put together by the founding members and contributors, there is at least 1 copy out there owned by one or more of us...and occasionally this kinda stuff gets collated for a bootleg for the appreciation by the masses - re: Marshall etc... I must admit tho', it would be interesting to know how many copies of the acid mix are distributed among us etc etc...the only problem with this is that it will be open for people to pester those owners to sell/copy/bootleg their hidden treasures...so perhaps its not sucha good idea....re:black room demos etc etc... just my two-penneth l8rs smiley "Yet again, the Kause surfaces briefly, only to bat its eyelids and plunge back to the murky depths of nowhere." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:25:45 +0100 (BST) From: Culf Subject: Re: (klf) IGUN rarer than thought? > But you could tell us how many copies you have, unless you don't want > to cooperate in making a better discog. and making all the klf fans > in the world happier persons. I could ... would Tom down the road who I don't know and who doesn't read this mailing list? Culf. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:37:46 MET From: "BUG" Subject: Re: (klf) IGUN rarer than thought? > But you could tell us how many copies you have, unless you don't want > to cooperate in making a better discog. and making all the klf fans > in the world happier persons. I could ... would Tom down the road who I don't know and who doesn't read this mailing list? Culf. That's another problem, one has to start somewhere you know. Of course i realise the discog. gives approximations , that's why some entries have 2 or 3 different descriptions or a question mark behind the released amount. It's just like the WFTROM thing where it's claimed on the CD that only 3333 copies exist. I remember when it was released a lot of list members went into discussion about how many copies they'd seen in their local shops etc etc. If you're a true KLF fan you wanna know EVERYTHING about them and their music, that's why the discog. is so comprehensive. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:48:52 EDT From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) IGUN rarer than thought? > But you could tell us how many copies you have, unless you don't want > to cooperate in making a better discog. and making all the klf fans > in the world happier persons. Ah, for pete's sake. It has already been stated that the discog is not to be taken as gospel as far as counts go. The information is generally from more or less offical informaiton (ie info sheets, or maybe someone chatted up Jimi in a bar some years ago and he let slip some info, etc) and is to give you an *idea* how rare these rare items are. It will be almost impossible to get exact totals on exactly how many copies of x was pressed. If a promo happens to come with a sheet saying "only 300 pressed" then 300 copies goes into the discog. Simple as that. The information is simply there as a guide to tell you what your chances are of actually finding a copy and if you're getting a good deal on it. 6 copies of WTIL - Acid mix = fat chance 350 copies of IGUN grey = one might pop up if you look hard and wide enough 5000 copies of something = keep your eyes open and one should wander by eventually. And as Culf pointed out, just because 350 copies of something were pressed, for all we know, someone made off with a box so only 75 went into actual circulation. There's no way of knowing. The discog was put together merely as a GUIDE not a bible. Be glad you have it. Lazlo puts a lot of time on his discogs and I've looked for similar for other groups and nothing even comes close to the detail he has. Which reminds me, I've got to send him the info on the WTIL white label I've got... - -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:38:20 EDT From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) Shag Times CD rotting away > I got mine directly from KLF mailorder back in '92, > and I've recently noticed that the different layers > of the CD started disappearing in small circles from > the outside towards the inside. Just took a look at mine and it seems fine. If you have a cdr you might want to make a backup copy before the damage spreads any deeper... - -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:24:14 +0000 From: Andrew Robinson Subject: Re: (klf) IGUN rarer than thought? TheMgnt@aol.com wrote: > ...350 copies of IGUN grey = one might pop up if you look hard and wide enough... Just to muddy the water further, I have seen this advertised as 'only 50 pressed' more than once, but that was by record shops looking to sell a copy for a LOT of money. > And as Culf pointed out, just because 350 copies of something were pressed, > for all we know, someone made off with a box so only 75 went into actual > circulation. There's no way of knowing. Exactly A prime case of that is the Deep Shit flexidisk - as no copies are in circulation as far as we know there may be the 500 claimed on early infosheets or zero copies because they made it up, or 50000 sitting in Bill's basement. - - Andy R. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:22:33 +0200 From: "Torsten Pattberg" Subject: (klf) Scooter... (Ehm) You should read the lyrics of their new album, but don't begin to cry :) Torsten Pattberg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:14:17 MET From: "BUG" Subject: Re: (klf) IGUN rarer than thought? > But you could tell us how many copies you have, unless you don't want > to cooperate in making a better discog. and making all the klf fans > in the world happier persons. Ah, for pete's sake. It has already been stated that the discog is not to be taken as gospel as far as counts go. The information is generally from more or less offical informaiton (ie info sheets, or maybe someone chatted up Jimi in a bar some years ago and he let slip some info, etc) and is to give you an *idea* how rare these rare items are. for all we know, someone made off with a box so only 75 went into actual circulation. There's no way of knowing. The discog was put together merely as a GUIDE not a bible. > First of all, who is Pete? > Second, if the discog is made up from infosheets (fine by me) then why does > it say 350 copies instead of the Infosheet's 200? Be glad you have it. Lazlo puts a lot of time on his discogs and I've looked for similar for other groups and nothing even comes close to the detail he has. > And third, you guys seem to think i wanna criticize the discog, that is total > and utter nonsense, i happen to have made several contributions myself. > Check the 'thanks to' list if you don't believe it. Which reminds me, I've got to send him the info on the WTIL white label I've got... - -paul > Which reminds me to send the infosheet number to lazlo so he can put that > 200 in brackets somewhere, like [200 according to Cress.] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:18:43 MET From: "BUG" Subject: Re: (klf) IGUN rarer than thought? TheMgnt@aol.com wrote: > ...350 copies of IGUN grey = one might pop up if you look hard and wide enough... Just to muddy the water further, I have seen this advertised as 'only 50 pressed' more than once, but that was by record shops looking to sell a copy for a LOT of money. > And as Culf pointed out, just because 350 copies of something were pressed, > for all we know, someone made off with a box so only 75 went into actual > circulation. There's no way of knowing. Exactly A prime case of that is the Deep Shit flexidisk - as no copies are in circulation as far as we know there may be the 500 claimed on early infosheets or zero copies because they made it up, or 50000 sitting in Bill's basement. - - Andy R. That is pretty far-fetched, if we can believe them, even Bill and Jimmy didn't do that with 1987, they bought a couple back from a shop that went into the "Last 5 copies" advertisement. Furthermore if someone really did have the Deep Shits, he/she would have put some up for bids already. No point in keeping a shitload of the same record in a box. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:20:45 EDT From: ALTONBARNS@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) Shag Times CD rotting away << Well, my copy has been in a plastic sealed sleeve for the last year or so. I just opened it up to check, and it doesnt present any of the anomalies you are mentionning, although it could use a good wash. I think now is the time to grab a CDR of it! Ant # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:19:14 +0200 From: "Torsten Pattberg" Subject: (klf) Wanted. Has anybody a copy of the british "2K - They are back" flyer (for the Fuck The Millennium show) left? I would swap a german one (uses The KLF except 2K) for it. Torsten Pattberg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:27:40 -0400 From: "Thorne, Chris" Subject: (klf) The Future? So what are your thoughts on the future of the KLF? Do you think we will see anything new from them anytime soon? Do you think they will ever have another number one hit? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:07:17 +0200 From: "heiko_kub" Subject: Re: (klf) The Future? > > So what are your thoughts on the future of the KLF? Do you think we will > see anything new from them anytime soon? Do you think they will ever have > another number one hit? Sure! Roundabout 2005 when they're both over 50, they will make the Black Room and smash the charts all over the world!! KLF IS GONNA ROCK AGAIN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:59:46 +0100 From: Chris Padwick Subject: (klf) Kalevala Mark, Try Probe Records in Liverpool http://www.probe-records.com/reviews/kalevala/jspage.html or email them at enquire@probe-records.com Also saw dozens of them in Rough Trade, Covent Garden Hope this is of help Paddy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 01:00:57 +0200 From: "trix_" <3x@boa.hr> Subject: Re: (klf) The Future? > > So what are your thoughts on the future of the KLF? Do you think we will > see anything new from them anytime soon? Do you think they will ever have > another number one hit? > 120% 2000 will be the year of 2K great come back trix_ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 03:27:54 +0200 From: Henrik Subject: (klf) Anybody up for a trade? After a recent attempt at reorganizing my record collection, it seems that I have a bunch of KLF/ORB spares left over. I don't like the idea of selling priceless music like this :) but if anyone out there would like to trade for other interesting music (preferably on vinyl, no CDR's please) I'm open for suggestions! Here's the list (infos courtesy of Lazlos discography machine): The Orb: Live 93 2xCD: 1993 UK (InterModo/Island; CIDD 8022 / 518746-2) The Orb: U.F.Orb 2xLP: 1992 UK (Big Life/WAU! Mr.Modo; BLRLP 18 / 513749-1) Laibach: War CD5: 1995 UK (Mute; CDMUTE 170) (Contains the "Methods Of Prevention mix" by Thomas Fehlmann and Andy Hughes) God Machine: Home Promo CD5: (Fiction/Polydor; cdp870) (Contains their cover of the KLF's What Time Is Love?) The KLF: What Time Is Love? (pure trance original) 12": 1988 UK (KLF Communications; KLF 004T) [white-label promo] (The label is signed, can't make out by whom, and has the date 12.7.89 written on it) The KLF: What Time Is Love? (live at trancentral) CD5: 1991 OZ (Liberation/Mushroom Records; D10494) 7": 1990 DK (Mega Records/Coma; COMA 7 011) [black/purple "COMA" sleeve] CD5: 1991 US (Arista; ASCD-2365) [promo; Sep 91] The JAMS: 1987 (What The Fuck Is Going On?) CD: 1991 US (B&M Productions; B&M-1) The Timelords: Doctorin' The Tardis 7": 1988 US (TVT Records; TVT 4025) The KLF: Kylie Said To Jason 7": 1989 UK (KLF Communications; KLF 010) [ps: "White Room" stills] The KLF with Extreme Noise Terror: 3 a.m. Eternal 7": 1993 UK (Discipline; 3AM1) [2xA] The KLF: Last Train To Trancentral (live from the lost continent) 7": 1991 DK (Mega Records/Coma; COMA 7.014) Euro-Mixx: The Dogg Bite Mix 12": 1991 US (Euro-Mixx Records; KLF-26) (Megamix of tracks from The White Room) Black Wax: Mu Mu Mix 12": 1992 SE (Black Wax; ??) (Megamix of "WTIL"/"3am"/"LT2T") Liaisons D.: Heartbeat 12": 1989 BE (USA Import Records; USA 8915) ("What Time Is Love" cover) /Henrik - -><- No, Keep Running! It's Going To Be Big! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:16:49 -0500 (CDT) From: daniel Subject: Re: (klf) The Future? received this today from a friend: now available: Jams LP 5 KLF: Chill out (UK LP) @ DM 31,90 #27967 (re-issue of a classic chill out release from the early 90s) not sure where it came from. But he is a reliable source. Keep your eyes open... - -daniel: Head Monkey: Mad Monkey Records: http://monkey.eliteware.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:06:47 +1000 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mute=A91999?= Subject: (klf) Various recent list stuff, but no Scooter. Wandering Nomad wrote: > > Here in Brisbane Australia at the moment, found a copy of Stadium House > Trilogy, which looks authentic, although I can't be certain - any > distinguishing marks I should check for? > > For instance, does the cassette tape itself have a printed label on the top > as well as the side? > PS does 11 GBP sound a decent price? A whole bunch of these have been remaindered recently in Oz. 11 quid is way too much to pay, though: I've seen em for 10 bucks. Anyone who wants a still-sealed factory copy, I'm keen to trade for a copy of Mike Dutton's compilation, as he's still AWOL with a huge wad of my cash. (Neil Sampson, you're a big tease). Stephen Ives wrote: > > Anyway, are there any other Chill Outish recordings that have the same > > "live" feel? I have all the Orb and released KLF. > > > > check out any of the 70's back-catalog of Eno or Tangerine Dream - early > dabblings in electronics... I'd just like to note that you only want Eno's actual Ambient Works: nothing Chill-Outish about Virginia Plain! Xav wrote: > > >did you get a copy of 'waiting for the rights of mu'? > > Thanks, but I've been a KLF fan for only half a year or so, so I haven't > > delved into the boots yet.... > > I dont think its been confirmed as a boot yet. Considering that Bill and Jimmy set about suing the people who released it, I think we can be fairly confident about the illegality of that particular piece! - -mute # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:03:31 +0800 From: Stephen Ives Subject: Re: (klf) Various recent list stuff, but no Scooter. Mute=A91999 wrote: > > > I'd just like to note that you only want Eno's actual Ambient Works: > nothing Chill-Outish about Virginia Plain! > but something almost meditative about the excellent "Blank Frank"...!! i= n a noise-immerssed way ofcourse! - -- DD PRODUCTIONS LIMITED Tel +852 2982 0113 Fax +852 2982 4005 info@dd.com.hk http://www.dd.com.hk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:50:14 +0100 (BST) From: Stuart Bruce Subject: Re: (klf) IGUN rarer than thought? On Wed 29 Sep, TheMgnt@aol.com wrote: > And as Culf pointed out, just because 350 copies of something were > pressed, for all we know, someone made off with a box so only 75 went > into actual circulation. There's no way of knowing. The discog was > put together merely as a GUIDE not a bible. Just to agree with and hopefully add to this point, there's also the problem of how many copies have been destroyed etc. With one of the "Last Train..." pressings (Pure Trance?), I seem to remember that 2000(?) were pressed, but apparently "most" of them were badly warped & unplayable. But since I doubt anyone ever counted how many of them that was, no-one can be sure just how many it's possible to own. How many copies of 1987 were taken to Sweden, how many were burnt, how many survived? There's no way of telling, surely. Unless you invent an Infinite Knowledge Machine which can tell you any fact or answer any question about the universe past present & future, in which case you wouldn't waste your time counting KLF records (or maybe you would, I don't know). Stuart. - -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/UtahSaints # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:44:44 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Smiley?= Subject: (klf) SALE - New Spares List afternoon all. i've put up a small new spares list for sale. should be something there to interest most people. i've also reduced the prices on all my 'old' spares lists, so take another look... http://welcome.to/SmileyWeb cheers, ===== Smiley New spares list: http://welcome.to/SmileyWeb ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:28:09 +0200 From: "heiko_kub" Subject: Re: (klf) IGUN rarer than thought? > On Wed 29 Sep, TheMgnt@aol.com wrote: > > And as Culf pointed out, just because 350 copies of something were > > pressed, for all we know, someone made off with a box so only 75 went > > into actual circulation. There's no way of knowing. The discog was > > put together merely as a GUIDE not a bible. > > Just to agree with and hopefully add to this point, there's also the > problem of how many copies have been destroyed etc. With one of the > "Last Train..." pressings (Pure Trance?), I seem to remember that > 2000(?) were pressed, but apparently "most" of them were badly warped & > unplayable. But since I doubt anyone ever counted how many of them that > was, no-one can be sure just how many it's possible to own. > > How many copies of 1987 were taken to Sweden, how many were burnt, how > many survived? There's no way of telling, surely. Unless you invent an > Infinite Knowledge Machine which can tell you any fact or answer any > question about the universe past present & future, in which case you > wouldn't waste your time counting KLF records (or maybe you would, I > don't know). > > Stuart. > I never should have mentioned it cause everyone is missing my point. I just wanna say "hey , the discog misses the 200 pressed from the infosheet, does anyone know something about it?" Next time i'll just mail Lazlo without mailing the list to avoid any of this shit Heiko # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:36:59 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Smiley?= Subject: (klf) Re: SALE - New Spares List I wrote: > i've put up a small new spares list for sale. unfortunately, i'm a MORON, and can't remember my own web address. very poor. it's: http://come.to/SmileyWeb and i'm just going off to slap myself about the face... ;-) ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:43:25 +0100 (BST) From: Stuart Bruce Subject: Re: (klf) IGUN rarer than thought? On Fri 01 Oct, heiko_kub wrote: > Everyone is missing the point, i never should have mentioned it cause > you people have the strangest reaction to it. I just wanna say "hey, > the discog. fails to mention the 200 pressed from the infosheet". Next > time i'll just mail Lazlo and not start this shit again....... Sorry, nothing I said was meant as a criticism... besides which, it started up a KLF-related discussion, which made for a breath of fresh air (or maybe a gust of hot wind). Stuart. - -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/UtahSaints # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:33:30 -0400 From: copper@wyht.com Subject: (klf) wtil Here's a good find on ebay- http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=173209028 Any news on Jimi's next project? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:20:04 +0200 From: "jbosman" Subject: (klf) The Man, Originals? > > Are the songs on "The Man" all originals? > I'm beginning to wonder because the other day i heard a song on the > radio that was EXACTLY like "Going Back" but sounded older. > Does anybody have any info on this? > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:08:15 +0200 From: "Gieszen, Pieter" Subject: RE: (klf) Shag Times CD rotting away -> bootleg Maybe if there is a demand for it, it will if more original cds will go rotting, that it might be interesting to make a bootleg from the original. It don't know if there's a great demand for it but I think I am not the only one who is still searching for this cd. Any comments or ideas on this topic? PG - -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: TheMgnt@aol.com [mailto:TheMgnt@aol.com] Verzonden: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 4:38 PM Aan: Erik.Gander@stud.uni-hannover.de CC: klf@xmission.com Onderwerp: Re: (klf) Shag Times CD rotting away > I got mine directly from KLF mailorder back in '92, > and I've recently noticed that the different layers > of the CD started disappearing in small circles from > the outside towards the inside. Just took a look at mine and it seems fine. If you have a cdr you might want to make a backup copy before the damage spreads any deeper... - -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 08:45:24 -0400 From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Re: (klf) Shag Times CD rotting away I actually checked this morning, and my copies of both Shag Times and The White Room (UK version) are starting to rot away. It'll take some time before it reaches the music on TWR, but Shag Times is a long CD and it won't take long for the rot to reach where the music is. I have at least three other CDs that are developing this problem, and I am not happy about it. I emailed that address on the URL I sent to this list, but I have received no response so far. I guess I'll have to send them a letter. What a pain in the neck. - ----- Adam J Weitzman --- NewsEdge Corporation ----- http://www.newsedge.com -- http://www.newspage.com "Humor is the best way of dealing with complete and utter nonsense." - John Lydon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:11:13 +0200 From: "heiko_kub" Subject: Re: (klf) Shag Times CD rotting away > least three other CDs that are developing this problem, and I am not > happy about it. > I emailed that address on the URL I sent to this list, but I have > received no response so far. I guess I'll have to send them a letter. > What a pain in the neck. Anyone think it's the cd-player doing this? Maybe older machines have this problem. On the other hand, maybe if you put a cd in a player and let it repeat itself 24 hours for a month, it'll be totally screwed, no matter how good the cd quality... Heiko # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:39:41 -0400 From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Re: (klf) Shag Times CD rotting away heiko_kub wrote: > Anyone think it's the cd-player doing this? Maybe older machines > have this problem. No, it's an established and documented problem with CDs made by the PDO plant in the UK in the late 1980s and early 1990s. > On the other hand, maybe if you put a cd in a player and let it > repeat itself 24 hours for a month, it'll be totally screwed, no > matter how good the cd quality... There's no evidence to support this. The nature of the media and the reading mechanism should prevent this. I have many much older CDs, and many CDs that I've played more often than my decaying ones, and they're fine. There is a rumor that if you leave a CD on "pause" for a month or two, the effect of the laser hitting the same section of the CD hundreds of times a minute for a good length of time may cause there to be a heat build-up which could damage the CD, but I have no hard evidence to support that. That definitely falls into the "extraordinary use" category, though, and is unrelated to this problem. - ----- Adam J Weitzman --- NewsEdge Corporation ----- http://www.newsedge.com -- http://www.newspage.com "Humor is the best way of dealing with complete and utter nonsense." - John Lydon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ End of klf-digest V2 #250 *************************