From: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com (klf-digest) To: klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klf-digest V2 #259 Reply-To: klf-digest Sender: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes klf-digest Thursday, November 4 1999 Volume 02 : Number 259 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:42:11 GMT From: "Erika Tracey Hatton" Subject: (klf) K Have had a copy of K Foundation Burn A Million Quid on loan from Swansea for the past couple of weeks, and I liked it so much I have ordered it from Waterstones, but it will only cost me stlg10 as I know someone who works there! I am going to use some of the imagry and wwriting in some art work. If anyone wants to buy any of this art .................. Was it anyone on the list who loaned the book from Swansea aswell? Erika xx # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:36:49 +0100 (BST) From: Stuart Bruce Subject: (klf) www.action-records.co.uk In their weekly mailout, I spotted two things of curiosity in this week's listings: Various "3:am Eternal" (Canadian, no pic)- anyone got any idea what this is? Acid Brass- album test pressing CD-R with insert, 5 quid Thought it might be of interest to people. Stuart. - -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/UtahSaints # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:26:43 -0800 (PST) From: Jeremiah Rickert Subject: (klf) Slightly OT: Need Aubrey Mixes Coverscan Does someone have a high quality scan (300dpi) of the Aubrey Mixes Sleeve and the back insert as well? If so, could you email me either or both to me? I would really appreciate it. If not, are there any good Orb sites that at least have a decent, that is full-sized scan? thanks in advance jr - ----------------------------------------- Jeremiah "Spassvogel" Rickert 6'7" 320 lbs of Dr. Pepper and Pez Candy. - ----------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:40:29 PST From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) www.action-records.co.uk >Acid Brass- album test pressing CD-R with insert, 5 quid I'm no expert on the manufature of music, but as far I know, at no point during the mastering, or testing , or duplication of a CD is a CD-R part of the proccess. Heck CD-Rs weren't even invented until much after the introduction of CD. I can't think of any reason why a profesional CD plant would even use CD-R at any point during the CD making proccess, and therefore a CD-R test pressing doesn't sound very authentic. Heck CD-Rs aren't even "pressed" period! Now it might be that an artist woould make a CD-R of the music to send to clubs, or record lables or whatever, but that's not what a test pressing is. I wouldn't shell out much dough for this supossed rarity. Chad "The above text are the opinions of one Chad Gombosi. If they had been God's honest truth, you bushes would be on fire." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 12:42:01 +0100 From: Andrew Fox Subject: (klf) new Julian Cope book The new Julian Cope autobiographical book, Repossessed/Head On (a new book packaged with the 1st part of his biography), has quite a lot of stuff a KLF devotee would be interested in. I got it in Waterstones, Charing Cross Road, London, but I'm sure you'd be able to get it at Amazon (ISBN 0-7225-3882-0). I haven't read Repossessed yet, but Head On is great. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:58:25 +0100 From: "Torsten Pattberg" Subject: Re: (klf) Sourge Of The Earth - ----- Original Message ----- From: Torsten Pattberg To: Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 8:22 PM Subject: (klf) Sourge Of The Earth > Did I miss something? I never heared about that: > > Juno Reactor - Pistolero uk cd single > > 1. radio edit by Scourge of the Earth (Jimi Cauty) Wow, this rocks :) Torsten Pattberg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:59:31 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Smiley?= Subject: Re: (klf) www.action-records.co.uk Chad Gombosi wrote: > I'm no expert on the manufature of music, but as far > I know, at no point during the mastering, or > testing , or duplication of a CD is a CD-R part of > the proccess. Heck CD-Rs weren't even invented until > much after the introduction of CD. > > I can't think of any reason why a profesional CD > plant would even use CD-R at any point during the CD > making proccess, and therefore a CD-R test > pressing doesn't sound very authentic. Heck CD-Rs > aren't even "pressed" period! at least in the UK, 'in-house' CD-R's are VERY common nowadays, and are often used for distribution before the 'real' promos are pressed. they're also used for 'first edits', work-in-progress, and so on... the new ORB album is currently doing the rounds on an Island in-house cd-r pressing, and cd-r versions of forthcoming albums turn up in london record shops every week. i picked up the Art of Noise album on cd-r earlier this year (about four months before it was actually released), and it turned out to have a slightly different track listing/order to the 'official' release too. plus, of course, burning a cd-r is a LOT cheaper and easier than having 'proper' copies pressed. cheers, ===== Smiley New spares list: http://come.to/SmileyWeb ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 13:01:09 +0000 From: Andrew Robinson Subject: Re: (klf) www.action-records.co.uk Chad Gombosi wrote: > I'm no expert on the manufature of music, but as far I know, at no point > during the mastering, or testing , or duplication of a CD is a CD-R part of > the proccess. Well, it's not a *necessary* part of the process, but it's now common practice for a CD-R to be made by the pressing plant for the artist and label to approve, before the very costly glass masters are made. This is so any errors in the postioning of track start points, order of tracks etc can be spotted before mass duplication starts - in the same way a printer will often produce a chromalin proof of a print job before making printing plates. Record companies now often use lots of these CD-Rs for promo copies, as it means they have a 'finished product' that reviewers or broadcasters can use before the pressing plants start pressing. Collectors should of course be VERY wary of promo CD-Rs as they can be pirated with the greatest of ease. - - Andy R (who isn't really hyping up the value of the leftover orb chromalins the printer in his office gave him, honest!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:52:59 -0600 From: Dave Cowen Subject: Re: (klf) www.action-records.co.uk At 05:40 PM 11/2/99 -0800, you wrote: > Acid Brass- album test pressing CD-R with insert, 5 quid > > > I'm no expert on the manufature of music, but as far I know, at no point > during the mastering, or testing , or duplication of a CD is a CD-R part of > the proccess. Heck CD-Rs weren't even invented until much after the > introduction of CD. > > I can't think of any reason why a profesional CD plant would even use CD-R > at any point during the CD making proccess, and therefore a CD-R test > pressing doesn't sound very authentic. Heck CD-Rs aren't even "pressed" > period! I've been involved in the manufacture of compact discs for the company I work for for several years, and I can assure you that CD-Rs are indeed commonly used in the mastering and testing of compact discs. They don't strictly - -need- to be (as you mentioned, CD-Rs appeared on the scene after compact disc mastering became commonplace), but it's fairly common in today's industry. They're used in two ways: 1) Data is commonly delivered to the pressing plant on a CD-R from the studio or data source. Of course, this data can be on DAT or another type of magnetic medium, but it's easier just to send out a CD-R. 2) If multiple types of data are being merged onto a single disc (say, both raw data and audio, or both a PC FAT partition and a Mac HFS partition), the pressing plant will master both on their systems and send a test CD-R back to the customer to evaluate and test before the glass master is created. The customer can also request a CDR check-disc for more commonplace pressings (ie, all data or all audio), but it's less necessary. As such, the "test pressing" CDR above could certainly be legit. It could be either the CD-R that the data was sent to the pressing plant on, or it could be a check CD-R from the pressing plant's mastering facility. Calling it a "pressing" is a bit off, because, of course, CD-Rs are burned, not pressed. But it's roughly the same thing as getting an acetate (but without, you know, the mystique -- because anyone can make a CD-R of whatever). > I wouldn't shell out much dough for this supossed rarity. I wouldn't either. While there's a good chance it's legit, the CD-R, unless it has material not found on the end product or an interesting mastering error, is arguably worth less than its conventionally pressed counterpart unless there's someone who would like it for sentimental reasons. Dave Cowen (esch@fische.net) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:46:41 -0500 (EST) From: Ben Hoffman Subject: (klf) Re: (orb) Slightly OT: Need Aubrey Mixes Coverscan On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Jeremiah Rickert wrote: > > > Does someone have a high quality scan (300dpi) of the Aubrey Mixes Sleeve > and the back insert as well? > I have the aubrey mixes on vinyl... I could make some scans of the sleeve for that (as well as the cool silver inner-sleve). How bout 'dat? Ben in Space. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:55:31 +0000 From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (klf) www.action-records.co.uk A lot of record labels do have their own in-house CD-R machines which are used for reference and test pressings. Blur did a 21CDR set for their recent box set to test out running orders etc, and allow resequencing if it becomes apparent in 'home listening' environments that the planned sequencing or CD transfer isn't good enough. >I'm no expert on the manufature of music, but as far I know, at no point >during the mastering, or testing , or duplication of a CD is a CD-R part of >the proccess. Heck CD-Rs weren't even invented until much after the >introduction of CD. > >I can't think of any reason why a profesional CD plant would even use CD-R >at any point during the CD making proccess, and therefore a CD-R test >pressing doesn't sound very authentic. Heck CD-Rs aren't even "pressed" >period! - -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:01:35 +0100 (BST) From: Stuart Bruce Subject: Re: (klf) www.action-records.co.uk On Wed 03 Nov, Chad Gombosi wrote: > >Acid Brass- album test pressing CD-R with insert, 5 quid > > I'm no expert on the manufature of music, but as far I know, at no > point during the mastering, or testing , or duplication of a CD is a > CD-R part of the proccess. Heck CD-Rs weren't even invented until > much after the introduction of CD. There are 2 points that I know of for which CD-Rs can often be used. (a) In the studio, once a version of the album has been completed, a CD-R might be made for the engineer/artist(s) to take away and listen to for a while away from the studio. Since there are often only 1 or 2 copies of these, and they can sometimes differ from the final version of the album, these can be quite rare. These _might_ also qualify as "test pressing" if they also involve the engineer/artist(s) listening to the CD-R in order to check there are no obvious faults that they forgot in the studio. (b) Prior to the full pressing of the CD, depending on the run size etc., promo CDs sent out to radio/press are often CD-Rs. I've collected several of these in my travels, and they are official; Virgin send out a lot of their promos as CD-Rs (got a great 5-tracker of Tin Tin Out's "Eleven To Fly" last week). > I wouldn't shell out much dough for this supossed rarity. I suspect that the item listed at www.action-records.co.uk will be one of the (b) category of CD-Rs. In which case there will only be (a guess) one or two hundred of them floating around at most. And if they've got an insert, then it's quite definitely & arguably worth a fiver (particularly if you haven't already bought the album). Stuart. - -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/UtahSaints # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 14:12:39 PST From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) www.action-records.co.uk Ahh. I see. Chad ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:09:22 -0000 From: "Mark Muldowney" Subject: (klf) Hmmm... so whats this in Heat?? Hiya, Did any one see page 23 of Heat magazine (4-10 November issue)? Yup i said 23!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- THIS SINGLE WILL RUIN YOUR CHRISTMAS It's your worst musical nightmare made real. The people behind the KLF and Fat Les have made a single together. Brace yourself for what could be the last number one of the millennium. With no Spice Girls Christmas single to promote, Virgin Records are heavily backing 'Solid Gold Chart Busters', put together by the KLF's Jimmy Cauty and Fat Les songwriter Guy Pratt. The single's called '121' and is built around a riff sampled from a mobile phone. Club singer Denise Palmer takes lead vocals and the single's been mixed by Spice Girls and Oasis producer Mike 'Spike' Stent. Virgin signed the project three weeks ago. The song hadn't even finished playing before the deal was stuck. "It's an annoying catchy pop song. It's crass in the way that Doctorin' The Tardis was," says a friend of Cauty's. "Everyone will buy it and hate it within three weeks". The single is released in the first week of December and so far doesn't have much competition. Last week the odds dropped from 33-1 to 11-1 at William Hill. Other artists releasing Christmas singles include Steps, SClub7, Boyzone, Westlife and George Michael. The multi-artist 'It's Only Rock 'N' Roll' has yet to be given a release date. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- Mark Muldowney # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 23:03:47 GMT From: "DJ Kuta" Subject: Re: (klf) www.action-records.co.uk Just for short: Thanx, Chad! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 06:58:55 PST From: "jj fish" Subject: (klf) The KLF's new single, Is this true? 121 is out? Finally. It does sound annoying but I'm hoping (and praying???) that there'll be an ambient b-side :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:35:37 +0100 (BST) From: Stuart Bruce Subject: Re: (klf) Hmmm... so whats this in Heat?? I hope this is true. Pop music needs its sense of humour back again... By "first week of December" presumably this means 6th Dec.? The article forgot to mention that Lolly is releasing a Christmas single as well- a double-A side "Big Boys Don't Cry" (Christmas mix) / "Rockin' Robin". I have the promo, and I was actually beginning to suspect that Lolly is just an elaborate joke as well... the principles of Stock Aitken Waterman taken to an absolute extreme... and the disturbing thing is, it's actually quite good... Stuart. PS. As a footnote to the promo/demo CD-R discussion, just got a copy of the Space Brothers full album (which is VERY good). Makes me glad I have the 7-track promo as well, because the full 10-track album is continuously mixed, whereas the 7-track is separately mixed, and in three cases has a different mix altogether... nice. - -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/UtahSaints # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ End of klf-digest V2 #259 *************************